Re: Micro photo's
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels <arvent@h...>" <arvent@h...>
wrote:
Just in case folks think LESTAT ran into some serious
trouble,those are styrofoam"rocks" she is sitting on(alot of the
greenery right close to LESTAT is also fake!) and the shot with all
those people.....NOT recommended by the designer and the reason why
there are two inflatables hovering around LESTAT :-)
As can be clearly seen,the 20hp is a beast to have on the
transom and the film company were "forced" by moi to build a steel
cover,lined with foam,to protect my LESTATs mahogany motot board.
What wonderful memories those photos stir up!
Thanks for posting them Nels!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,busy at work,again,ho!,ho!,ho! and sneaking a quicky
in.....................
wrote:
> If you go to the photo section at the Bolger 2 site and look in themotor
> Bolger boats folder you will see a photo of Lestat with a 20 HP
> and another with 9 people and 1 cat aboard.Hi Nels,
Just in case folks think LESTAT ran into some serious
trouble,those are styrofoam"rocks" she is sitting on(alot of the
greenery right close to LESTAT is also fake!) and the shot with all
those people.....NOT recommended by the designer and the reason why
there are two inflatables hovering around LESTAT :-)
As can be clearly seen,the 20hp is a beast to have on the
transom and the film company were "forced" by moi to build a steel
cover,lined with foam,to protect my LESTATs mahogany motot board.
What wonderful memories those photos stir up!
Thanks for posting them Nels!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,busy at work,again,ho!,ho!,ho! and sneaking a quicky
in.....................
If you go to the photo section at the Bolger 2 site and look in the
Bolger boats folder you will see a photo of Lestat with a 20 HP motor
and another with 9 people and 1 cat aboard.
Also if you look in the Hawkeye folder you will see photos of a
beautiful cabin cruiser version of Hawkeye, with room to sleep and
fish and lounge on deck.
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "brucehallman <brucehallman@y...>"
<brucehallman@y...> wrote:
Bolger boats folder you will see a photo of Lestat with a 20 HP motor
and another with 9 people and 1 cat aboard.
Also if you look in the Hawkeye folder you will see photos of a
beautiful cabin cruiser version of Hawkeye, with room to sleep and
fish and lounge on deck.
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "brucehallman <brucehallman@y...>"
<brucehallman@y...> wrote:
> --- "John Cupp <caj@k...>" <caj@k...> wrote:
>
> > you'll need a big
> > push if you are running
> > against the tide also.
>
> Thanks for the advice,
> [though after thinking
> about it overnight], I
> wonder if even a 100 hp
> motor could get a 15'4" Micro
> to go faster than her
> hull speed in the water?
>
> I have a hunch that I will
> need to learn how to *wait*
> to make passages in currents
> only 'with the flow' because
> if I am not mistaken...there
> is nothing I can do to get
> Micro up onto a plane, and
> short of that, displacement
> hull speed is the maximum
> speed.
>
> [Hey John, lets party in
> McCovey Cove some day!]
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "brucehallman <brucehallman@y...>"
<brucehallman@y...> wrote:
I
As PCB once said,"anything can be made to plane,given enough horse
power". However,planing is not the point behind having a few extra
horses in hand.
Certainly,in dead flat calm water the smallest of motors will
propel the Micro forward and it would not take many horses to get her
to her theoretical hull speed in those conditions.
Change the scenario by adding waves,wind and surface currents and
it becomes a different set of rules whereby you may end up"using" all
your available horse-power(2,4,5hp) just to maintain a stationary
postion over the bottom.Zero headway with the little motor wide open
is not only frustrating but potentially dangerous if the wind,waves
and current are drawing you toward solid matter like bridge
pillars,rapids or falls.
Where you intend on using your Micro will help inform your choice
of power plants.
Virtually all of my sailing takes place on a river with a steady
1.5kt current. Certain areas further down stream have currents from
2.5kts up to 8kts. The 5hp on my Micro can deal with everything right
up 2.5 kts.Mind you,at that point there is a great rushing of water
going past the boat,alot of noise, but slow progress over the bottom.
My Micro was once used in a T.V series and it was filmed on a small
river with rapids,falls and rocks.It required a 20hp outboard to buck
the rapids upstream.It was also one of the scariest things I have
ever done with my Micro since she had to be navigated through exposed
rocks on either side of a very very narrow channel for nearly 50
yards.With the 20hp motor wide open we just managed to crawl our way
up through the rapids and into the calmer pool that awaited us above
the rapids.Were we planing? No way. We just looked like a very
powerful tug with a huge bow wave,the hullsides exposed clear down to
the boats bottom and a substantial stern wave
So,if you intend on taking your Micro Navigator out in less
then "ideal" circumstances,a few extra horse in your pocket will not
hurt.The 9.9 sounds reasonable,especially if she can be multi-used on
your growing fleet :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,tossing in his 2cents for a good cause........
<brucehallman@y...> wrote:
I
> wonder if even a 100 hp.there
> motor could get a 15'4" Micro
> to go faster than her
> hull speed in the water?
>
> is nothing I can do to getBruce,
> Micro up onto a plane, and
> short of that, displacement
> hull speed is the maximum
> speed.
>
As PCB once said,"anything can be made to plane,given enough horse
power". However,planing is not the point behind having a few extra
horses in hand.
Certainly,in dead flat calm water the smallest of motors will
propel the Micro forward and it would not take many horses to get her
to her theoretical hull speed in those conditions.
Change the scenario by adding waves,wind and surface currents and
it becomes a different set of rules whereby you may end up"using" all
your available horse-power(2,4,5hp) just to maintain a stationary
postion over the bottom.Zero headway with the little motor wide open
is not only frustrating but potentially dangerous if the wind,waves
and current are drawing you toward solid matter like bridge
pillars,rapids or falls.
Where you intend on using your Micro will help inform your choice
of power plants.
Virtually all of my sailing takes place on a river with a steady
1.5kt current. Certain areas further down stream have currents from
2.5kts up to 8kts. The 5hp on my Micro can deal with everything right
up 2.5 kts.Mind you,at that point there is a great rushing of water
going past the boat,alot of noise, but slow progress over the bottom.
My Micro was once used in a T.V series and it was filmed on a small
river with rapids,falls and rocks.It required a 20hp outboard to buck
the rapids upstream.It was also one of the scariest things I have
ever done with my Micro since she had to be navigated through exposed
rocks on either side of a very very narrow channel for nearly 50
yards.With the 20hp motor wide open we just managed to crawl our way
up through the rapids and into the calmer pool that awaited us above
the rapids.Were we planing? No way. We just looked like a very
powerful tug with a huge bow wave,the hullsides exposed clear down to
the boats bottom and a substantial stern wave
So,if you intend on taking your Micro Navigator out in less
then "ideal" circumstances,a few extra horse in your pocket will not
hurt.The 9.9 sounds reasonable,especially if she can be multi-used on
your growing fleet :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,tossing in his 2cents for a good cause........
In my opinion, even the 9.9hp 4-stroke would be overkill on a Micro.
It's a tiny light boat, and anything heavier than 5 or 6hp would be
awkward to heave around onboard. And underway, it will only dig a
deeper hole in the water. You may have to crowd further forward to
keep the bow down.
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "brucehallman <brucehallman@y...>"
<brucehallman@y...> wrote:
It's a tiny light boat, and anything heavier than 5 or 6hp would be
awkward to heave around onboard. And underway, it will only dig a
deeper hole in the water. You may have to crowd further forward to
keep the bow down.
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "brucehallman <brucehallman@y...>"
<brucehallman@y...> wrote:
> --- "John Cupp <caj@k...>" <caj@k...> wrote:
>
> > you'll need a big
> > push if you are running
> > against the tide also.
>
> Thanks for the advice,
> [though after thinking
> about it overnight], I
> wonder if even a 100 hp
> motor could get a 15'4" Micro
> to go faster than her
> hull speed in the water?
>
> I have a hunch that I will
> need to learn how to *wait*
> to make passages in currents
> only 'with the flow' because
> if I am not mistaken...there
> is nothing I can do to get
> Micro up onto a plane, and
> short of that, displacement
> hull speed is the maximum
> speed.
>
> [Hey John, lets party in
> McCovey Cove some day!]
--- "John Cupp <caj@k...>" <caj@k...> wrote:
[though after thinking
about it overnight], I
wonder if even a 100 hp
motor could get a 15'4" Micro
to go faster than her
hull speed in the water?
I have a hunch that I will
need to learn how to *wait*
to make passages in currents
only 'with the flow' because
if I am not mistaken...there
is nothing I can do to get
Micro up onto a plane, and
short of that, displacement
hull speed is the maximum
speed.
[Hey John, lets party in
McCovey Cove some day!]
> you'll need a bigThanks for the advice,
> push if you are running
> against the tide also.
[though after thinking
about it overnight], I
wonder if even a 100 hp
motor could get a 15'4" Micro
to go faster than her
hull speed in the water?
I have a hunch that I will
need to learn how to *wait*
to make passages in currents
only 'with the flow' because
if I am not mistaken...there
is nothing I can do to get
Micro up onto a plane, and
short of that, displacement
hull speed is the maximum
speed.
[Hey John, lets party in
McCovey Cove some day!]
Bruce I had my boat at the Point San Pablo Yacht club and it was a
Cheoy Lee 32 foot cruiser. I had installed a six cylinder motor
instead of the 4 cylinder and on an outgoing tide I still couldn't
take the inside channel of the brothers Islands to get home. You
know what the tide is like in the bay at different points and you
should opt for the bigger motor like a Honda 10 hp.
I started sailing in the bay in the 60's and If you have that Micro
outside the Gate and in an afternoon off shore wind you'll need a big
push if your running against the tide also. There are many great
photo opts for you on the bay and nothing beats the sun rise over
Oakland as you're sitting under the Golden Gate!
Good luck and maybe if I get down there you'll give me a ride on
that little Big Boat. I'll spring for the refreshments and a few
TOGO's if you like?
John
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "brucehallman <brucehallman@y...>"
<brucehallman@y...> wrote:
Cheoy Lee 32 foot cruiser. I had installed a six cylinder motor
instead of the 4 cylinder and on an outgoing tide I still couldn't
take the inside channel of the brothers Islands to get home. You
know what the tide is like in the bay at different points and you
should opt for the bigger motor like a Honda 10 hp.
I started sailing in the bay in the 60's and If you have that Micro
outside the Gate and in an afternoon off shore wind you'll need a big
push if your running against the tide also. There are many great
photo opts for you on the bay and nothing beats the sun rise over
Oakland as you're sitting under the Golden Gate!
Good luck and maybe if I get down there you'll give me a ride on
that little Big Boat. I'll spring for the refreshments and a few
TOGO's if you like?
John
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "brucehallman <brucehallman@y...>"
<brucehallman@y...> wrote:
> > been times when I wished I had
> > just a wee bit more in hand like
>
> I must admit that I covet the
> high thrust Yamaha T9.9
>
> That motor is frequently
> specified by PB&F, in
> the Champlain for instance.
> been times when I wished I hadI must admit that I covet the
> just a wee bit more in hand like
high thrust Yamaha T9.9
That motor is frequently
specified by PB&F, in
the Champlain for instance.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "brucehallman <brucehallman@y...>"
<brucehallman@y...> wrote:
All good points unless you have to travel upstream against
anything stronger then 2kts. I have a 5hp on my Micro and there have
been times when I wished I had just a wee bit more in hand like when
wind and current conspire to flow together :-(
Peter Lenihan
<brucehallman@y...> wrote:
> In my correspondence with PCB, I askedHi Bruce,
> him about the size of the motor, and he
> responded that my 'small is better' idea
> is fine with him. quoting PCB:
> "4 HP four stroke is good"
>
> I suspect that the hull speed of the 15'4" Micro
> would overwhelm any larger motor. A small motor
> costs less, and uses less fuel, and is easier
> to carry around.
>
All good points unless you have to travel upstream against
anything stronger then 2kts. I have a 5hp on my Micro and there have
been times when I wished I had just a wee bit more in hand like when
wind and current conspire to flow together :-(
> 2 inches of rain in my rain guage yesterday.At least you do not have to shovel it.... :-)
Peter Lenihan
Bruce,
Verticalbreaks in the window panels to me would be fine, and look good
too. But if divided horizontally the rail ( or is that the stile?) might
end up right in your line of vision, which would be a pain. Remember
you'll be looking through these windows nearly ALL the time. And I have
my concerns about the appearance. By quartering the panels you'll end up
with a gazillion fasteners......
Hey, if the 1/8" doesn't work out for you, let me know, I'll make you an
offer. The size and quantity you bought is just what I need to re-do my
now fogged and scratched Microtrawler windows (been 7 years w/kids
almost every voyage and kids 'help' during washdowns).
Rick
brucehallman wrote:
Verticalbreaks in the window panels to me would be fine, and look good
too. But if divided horizontally the rail ( or is that the stile?) might
end up right in your line of vision, which would be a pain. Remember
you'll be looking through these windows nearly ALL the time. And I have
my concerns about the appearance. By quartering the panels you'll end up
with a gazillion fasteners......
Hey, if the 1/8" doesn't work out for you, let me know, I'll make you an
offer. The size and quantity you bought is just what I need to re-do my
now fogged and scratched Microtrawler windows (been 7 years w/kids
almost every voyage and kids 'help' during washdowns).
Rick
brucehallman wrote:
> --- sctree wrote:[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> > maybe as little as an inch
> > of crown over the width?
>
> What an excellent idea!
>
> I will try it and I have
> no doubt it will help
> stiffen the windows.
>
> I also suspect that the
> 1/8" polycarbonate with
> an 'arch' effect would
> have about the same strength
> as 1/4" polycarb. without.
>
> I am (was?) also planning on
> breaking the large windows
> into smaller windows, either
> in half vertically, or in
> quarters vert/horiz.
>
>
>
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--- sctree wrote:
I will try it and I have
no doubt it will help
stiffen the windows.
I also suspect that the
1/8" polycarbonate with
an 'arch' effect would
have about the same strength
as 1/4" polycarb. without.
I am (was?) also planning on
breaking the large windows
into smaller windows, either
in half vertically, or in
quarters vert/horiz.
> maybe as little as an inchWhat an excellent idea!
> of crown over the width?
I will try it and I have
no doubt it will help
stiffen the windows.
I also suspect that the
1/8" polycarbonate with
an 'arch' effect would
have about the same strength
as 1/4" polycarb. without.
I am (was?) also planning on
breaking the large windows
into smaller windows, either
in half vertically, or in
quarters vert/horiz.
Enjoyed your photos of progress so far. Please keep posting. I'm anxious
to see how you work out the pilothouse.
About the 1/8" polycarbonate, I have two boats (one Bolger, one
Michalak) that I built with windows on the large size with thin (1/8"
and 3/16") polycarbonate, 1/4" gets real heavy and costs big $$ in large
sizes. You might find 36" x 30" may be too big for 1/8".. It gets real
wobbly, and it's irritating to me looking through an undulating acrylic
panel. A solution could be to build a slight curve into the windows side
to side, maybe as little as an inch of crown over the width? At least
that's what I'm thinking about doing when I get around to replacing the
windows on my Microtrawler.
The tinted polycarbonate has worked well for me in both boats.
Rick
brucehallman wrote:
to see how you work out the pilothouse.
About the 1/8" polycarbonate, I have two boats (one Bolger, one
Michalak) that I built with windows on the large size with thin (1/8"
and 3/16") polycarbonate, 1/4" gets real heavy and costs big $$ in large
sizes. You might find 36" x 30" may be too big for 1/8".. It gets real
wobbly, and it's irritating to me looking through an undulating acrylic
panel. A solution could be to build a slight curve into the windows side
to side, maybe as little as an inch of crown over the width? At least
that's what I'm thinking about doing when I get around to replacing the
windows on my Microtrawler.
The tinted polycarbonate has worked well for me in both boats.
Rick
brucehallman wrote:
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > Have you decided on what type of material you will use for the
> > windows?
>
> (I don't know if I will regret it)
> but I just bought 6 pieces of
> 30" by 36" x 1/8" 'bronze-tint'
> polycarbonate from machinist-materials
> at bid on eBay for $38
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> ViewItem&item=1923219250&ssPageName=ADME:X:BN:US:2
>
> This is quite a bit cheaper than
> other ways of buying lexan and
> the 36" pieces are too small for the
> 48" windows on PB&F drawings. I
> plan to revise the layout of the
> windows to allow the use of the
> 36" pieces by adding a few
> intermediate syles and rails.
>
> I think 1/8" is borderline 'thin'
> and I will test it by feel upon
> construction, and if it is too
> thin I will abandon it and go
> with something thicker.
>
> I am guessing that the bronze-tint
> will be a welcome UV and heat control
> for such a 'glass house' as with
> the Navigator cabin.
> Have you decided on what type of material you will use for the(I don't know if I will regret it)
> windows?
but I just bought 6 pieces of
30" by 36" x 1/8" 'bronze-tint'
polycarbonate from machinist-materials
at bid on eBay for $38
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=1923219250&ssPageName=ADME:X:BN:US:2
This is quite a bit cheaper than
other ways of buying lexan and
the 36" pieces are too small for the
48" windows on PB&F drawings. I
plan to revise the layout of the
windows to allow the use of the
36" pieces by adding a few
intermediate syles and rails.
I think 1/8" is borderline 'thin'
and I will test it by feel upon
construction, and if it is too
thin I will abandon it and go
with something thicker.
I am guessing that the bronze-tint
will be a welcome UV and heat control
for such a 'glass house' as with
the Navigator cabin.
>Also,since the Navigator is designed for some "serious"transom
> boating,do you intend on enlarging the motor opening in the
> to get a bigger power plant there?Looking close at the PB&F Navigator drawing
I have concluded that they show the top
cross piece at the transom 'removed'
entirely in the Navigator upgrade. Instead
there are two 2x6 attached at either side
which provided added strength. [Plus the
top deck will strenghten the transom a lot.]
In my correspondence with PCB, I asked
him about the size of the motor, and he
responded that my 'small is better' idea
is fine with him. quoting PCB:
"4 HP four stroke is good"
I suspect that the hull speed of the 15'4" Micro
would overwhelm any larger motor. A small motor
costs less, and uses less fuel, and is easier
to carry around.
> Peter Lenihan,who enjoys looking at pictures of palm treesWe have had some very wet and windy days
here in Norther California last week.
2 inches of rain in my rain guage yesterday.
...back to the shop!
Hi Bruce,
Thanks for the neat pictures! It's guys like yourself who make
winter easier to handle although I must confess a twinge of jealousy!
Have you decided on what type of material you will use for the
windows? Also,since the Navigator is designed for some "serious"
boating,do you intend on enlarging the motor opening in the transom
to get a bigger power plant there?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who enjoys looking at pictures of palm trees and wishes
he had some in his own backyard.............
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "brucehallman <brucehallman@y...>"
<brucehallman@y...> wrote:
Thanks for the neat pictures! It's guys like yourself who make
winter easier to handle although I must confess a twinge of jealousy!
Have you decided on what type of material you will use for the
windows? Also,since the Navigator is designed for some "serious"
boating,do you intend on enlarging the motor opening in the transom
to get a bigger power plant there?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who enjoys looking at pictures of palm trees and wishes
he had some in his own backyard.............
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "brucehallman <brucehallman@y...>"
<brucehallman@y...> wrote:
> I intended to 'html'ize
> these photo's of my Micro
> Navigator project, but I
> am too busy working on it <grin>
> to spend the time coding a
> web page. Here are raw photo's
> [big and little versions of each]
I intended to 'html'ize
these photo's of my Micro
Navigator project, but I
am too busy working on it <grin>
to spend the time coding a
web page. Here are raw photo's
[big and little versions of each]
Also of interest is the repair job
to my semi-crushed Roar.
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/micro/hour80/
Presently I have done the inside fit out
of the starboard side, and have flipped
and am working on the port side inside.
The photos are out of date by a couple
weeks [and about five work days back].
I feel good about my progress and can
see an end in sight [dimly ahead]. No
matter, working on building a boat is
fun, and I am not in a hurry, though
I am working fast, if you get my drift.
these photo's of my Micro
Navigator project, but I
am too busy working on it <grin>
to spend the time coding a
web page. Here are raw photo's
[big and little versions of each]
Also of interest is the repair job
to my semi-crushed Roar.
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/micro/hour80/
Presently I have done the inside fit out
of the starboard side, and have flipped
and am working on the port side inside.
The photos are out of date by a couple
weeks [and about five work days back].
I feel good about my progress and can
see an end in sight [dimly ahead]. No
matter, working on building a boat is
fun, and I am not in a hurry, though
I am working fast, if you get my drift.