Re: [bolger] Re: Quick-N-Dirty boatshed/shelter
> Gary,Oh yeah, I should have mentioned that shortcoming of the system. I once had
> Thanks for the suggestion....I love your inflatable shop,really
> neat!!
> However,I do not think it could stand up too well against big
> winds,big time,all the time especially when deflated at the end of
> the day....I know the site owners would not let me keep an electrical
> device running 24 hours a day.
> I should have mentioned the wind problem in my first posting.
>
> Peter Lenihan
the skin blow into some freshly spread fiberglass and make a mess of it.
Sometimes wind would just make it impossible to work. It could stand maybe
5-8 mph.
Gary
Gary,
Thanks for the suggestion....I love your inflatable shop,really
neat!!
However,I do not think it could stand up too well against big
winds,big time,all the time especially when deflated at the end of
the day....I know the site owners would not let me keep an electrical
device running 24 hours a day.
I should have mentioned the wind problem in my first posting.
Peter Lenihan
Thanks for the suggestion....I love your inflatable shop,really
neat!!
However,I do not think it could stand up too well against big
winds,big time,all the time especially when deflated at the end of
the day....I know the site owners would not let me keep an electrical
device running 24 hours a day.
I should have mentioned the wind problem in my first posting.
Peter Lenihan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Lepak" <gnjlepak@o...> wrote:
> Peter,
> This is a solution I've used yearround here in the Pacific
Northwest for
> three big projects.
>http://www.multihullboatbuilder.com/workshop/Trifle/Trifle25.html
> I've used it for up to 46' catatmaran hull
Thomas,
I suppose I should have mentioned that this is for a site out in
the flat open expanse of a boat storage yard.No trees,overhead
rafters or other hard points above.(no shade also...:-(
The other point I did not mention was that this crazy place has
got to be about the windiest spot near Montreal.The wind just seems
to howl here along the river to the point where I have already gone
through two blue poly tarps,in exactly as many days.Mind you,the wind
does make vacuming up saw dust pointless thus keeping the work area
very clean and vapours....well it would be hard to imagine a better
ventilated"shop" except perhaps a wind tunnel.
I'm going to have to check out Chapters....the PVC pipe looped
over rebar driven into the ground might help,especially if I can keep
the tarp firmly tied down(no flapping!).
Thanks!
Peter Lenihan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "proaconstrictor
<proaconstrictor@y...>" <proaconstrictor@y...> wrote:
I suppose I should have mentioned that this is for a site out in
the flat open expanse of a boat storage yard.No trees,overhead
rafters or other hard points above.(no shade also...:-(
The other point I did not mention was that this crazy place has
got to be about the windiest spot near Montreal.The wind just seems
to howl here along the river to the point where I have already gone
through two blue poly tarps,in exactly as many days.Mind you,the wind
does make vacuming up saw dust pointless thus keeping the work area
very clean and vapours....well it would be hard to imagine a better
ventilated"shop" except perhaps a wind tunnel.
I'm going to have to check out Chapters....the PVC pipe looped
over rebar driven into the ground might help,especially if I can keep
the tarp firmly tied down(no flapping!).
Thanks!
Peter Lenihan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "proaconstrictor
<proaconstrictor@y...>" <proaconstrictor@y...> wrote:
> I think that a shelter designed for a few weeks, really just callsnear
> for a few tarps strung up. If there are any trees or buildings
> by sling a rope over the project, and throw a tarp over that. Wewere
> used such a shelter at the wooden boat school, and I thought we
> wasting our time, but the hour or so spent moving the project andshelter
> assembling all the tarps was well worth it.
>
> There are a bunch of temporary boatbuilding, the various hoop
> for one, but they aren't free, and I don't think they would beworth
> it for few weeekends. On the other hand they are worth it for theto
> end up building indoors. The two main strategies are the wooden(which
> hoops covered in Gougeons and The Laminated Wooder Boatbuilder
> covers a number of strategies). The other method uses rebarhammered
> at an angle into the ground with PVC pipe over it, and conduitsure
> perlins. Best coverage of that I have seen was in a recently
> published book on forcing the northern cold-weather garden. Not
> what it was called, but it was at Chapters. Probably by Lark'spress
> or maybe Sterling.
Wow! I like it, Garry.
I was just looking at an interesting book called Xtreme Houses
(Homes?). Lots of really weird industrial looking homes, including
one catamaran designers' floating saucer home. There was a section
on homes for the homeless essentialy, including one called something
like "Parasite". It was a tent designed to attach to the blower fan
from a buiding, and inflate with this discharge hot air source.
I was just looking at an interesting book called Xtreme Houses
(Homes?). Lots of really weird industrial looking homes, including
one catamaran designers' floating saucer home. There was a section
on homes for the homeless essentialy, including one called something
like "Parasite". It was a tent designed to attach to the blower fan
from a buiding, and inflate with this discharge hot air source.
Try this. It is the best around in my opinion.
http://www.by-the-sea.com/stimsonmarine/bowroof.html
The plans are very complete and you can use whatever you want to skin
the outside.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan <ellengaest@b...>"
<ellengaest@b...> wrote:
http://www.by-the-sea.com/stimsonmarine/bowroof.html
The plans are very complete and you can use whatever you want to skin
the outside.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan <ellengaest@b...>"
<ellengaest@b...> wrote:
> Bolgerados,but
> Greetings from along the shores of the St.Lawrence,which keeps
> going from freeze to thaw every couple of weeks.
> I am seeking ideas/plans/suggestions for a shelter that is
> both "home" buildable AND cheap. It does not have to support snow
> rather keep rain off a work area measuring 12' X 40'.later.
> Not that I intend on doing any serious work in the dead of
> winter but rather I hope to get an early jump on the summer session
> by doing some stuff in mid-March or April....and if the present
> weather pattern is any guage,Spring will be sprung sooner then
> So,any crafty ideas out? Headroom under this shelter/structure(TEMPO,CITADEL
> would be really sweet.....
> Finally,I have looked into those portable garages
> etc) and these are a bit too rich($1450.00) for such a temporary
> structure intended for several weekends worth of use.
> Thanking you all in advance and best wishes for the New Year!!!
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,not exactly itching to work but beginning to
> tremble,just abit,from along the shores of the mighty
> St.Lawrence.........
I used a 15x25 tarp shelter that stood up for five winters. It
wasn't free standing, since I used the house to hold up one side, and
also incorporated one of the posts that hold up our fence, but maybe
you can use some of the features.
I nailed 2x4 cleats to the wall of the house, 10 feet up and 5 feet
apart. 16 foot 2x4s were nailed to the sides of these, with the
other ends supported on top of 6 foot 2x4 posts (not dug in, just
sitting on the ground.) I nailed a 1x4 along the top of the posts,
as well as nailing 1x4s diagonally from the bottom corners to meet at
the top on the centre post. I also nailed 1x4s from the lower
corners of the roof to meet at the centre on the high side. All
these diagonals braced things nicely. The fence post I refer to was
at one of the lower corners this was good and solid, but the same
effect could be had by digging in some of the 2x4 posts, or bracing
them at the corners.
On top, I laid a 20x30 blue tarp. The high side came to within a
foot or so of the house wall, leaving enough room for me to squeeze
my upper body through. On the lower side it hung down about five
feet, making a bit of a wall. The ends also hung down a couple of
feet. The least wind made the tarp billow and pull at its
fastenings, so I laid 1x2s on top of it, along the 2x4 "rafters" and
screwed these down as far as I could reach from top and bottom
sides. This stopped the tarp from flapping away. The ends were left
open except for the five foot fence that happened to be at one end.
After a couple of winters, including a big dump of snow in
the "blizzard of 96", the tarp wasn't so waterproof as it used to
be. I'd also had a tree branch come down, right through the tarp and
one of the rafters, and the repairs weren't 100% waterproof. Rather
than buy a whole new tarp, I stapled plastic sheeting to the
underside of the rafters, forming a second layer, with a 4 inch air
space between. I screwed more 1x2s through the plastic to the
underside of the rafters. This fix worked very well the air space
seemed to reduce flapping still further, the plastic was waterproof
while the old blue tarp kept the sunlight and odd (small) tree branch
from damaging the plastic.
Altogether, I was surprised how well it lasted. It wasn't meant to
hold up 2 or 3 feet of snow, so during and after the blizzard I had
to rake the snow off and do some repairs. I replaced the nails in
the cleats with long flooring/deck screws at that time.
You might also check the early issues of Chebacco News Bill Samson
built Sylvester in a plastic tunnel type of shelter that didn't cost
much.
Sorry to go on so long, but hope it helps.
Jamie Orr
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan <ellengaest@b...>"
<ellengaest@b...> wrote:
wasn't free standing, since I used the house to hold up one side, and
also incorporated one of the posts that hold up our fence, but maybe
you can use some of the features.
I nailed 2x4 cleats to the wall of the house, 10 feet up and 5 feet
apart. 16 foot 2x4s were nailed to the sides of these, with the
other ends supported on top of 6 foot 2x4 posts (not dug in, just
sitting on the ground.) I nailed a 1x4 along the top of the posts,
as well as nailing 1x4s diagonally from the bottom corners to meet at
the top on the centre post. I also nailed 1x4s from the lower
corners of the roof to meet at the centre on the high side. All
these diagonals braced things nicely. The fence post I refer to was
at one of the lower corners this was good and solid, but the same
effect could be had by digging in some of the 2x4 posts, or bracing
them at the corners.
On top, I laid a 20x30 blue tarp. The high side came to within a
foot or so of the house wall, leaving enough room for me to squeeze
my upper body through. On the lower side it hung down about five
feet, making a bit of a wall. The ends also hung down a couple of
feet. The least wind made the tarp billow and pull at its
fastenings, so I laid 1x2s on top of it, along the 2x4 "rafters" and
screwed these down as far as I could reach from top and bottom
sides. This stopped the tarp from flapping away. The ends were left
open except for the five foot fence that happened to be at one end.
After a couple of winters, including a big dump of snow in
the "blizzard of 96", the tarp wasn't so waterproof as it used to
be. I'd also had a tree branch come down, right through the tarp and
one of the rafters, and the repairs weren't 100% waterproof. Rather
than buy a whole new tarp, I stapled plastic sheeting to the
underside of the rafters, forming a second layer, with a 4 inch air
space between. I screwed more 1x2s through the plastic to the
underside of the rafters. This fix worked very well the air space
seemed to reduce flapping still further, the plastic was waterproof
while the old blue tarp kept the sunlight and odd (small) tree branch
from damaging the plastic.
Altogether, I was surprised how well it lasted. It wasn't meant to
hold up 2 or 3 feet of snow, so during and after the blizzard I had
to rake the snow off and do some repairs. I replaced the nails in
the cleats with long flooring/deck screws at that time.
You might also check the early issues of Chebacco News Bill Samson
built Sylvester in a plastic tunnel type of shelter that didn't cost
much.
Sorry to go on so long, but hope it helps.
Jamie Orr
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan <ellengaest@b...>"
<ellengaest@b...> wrote:
> Bolgerados,but
> Greetings from along the shores of the St.Lawrence,which keeps
> going from freeze to thaw every couple of weeks.
> I am seeking ideas/plans/suggestions for a shelter that is
> both "home" buildable AND cheap. It does not have to support snow
> rather keep rain off a work area measuring 12' X 40'.later.
> Not that I intend on doing any serious work in the dead of
> winter but rather I hope to get an early jump on the summer session
> by doing some stuff in mid-March or April....and if the present
> weather pattern is any guage,Spring will be sprung sooner then
> So,any crafty ideas out? Headroom under this shelter/structure(TEMPO,CITADEL
> would be really sweet.....
> Finally,I have looked into those portable garages
> etc) and these are a bit too rich($1450.00) for such a temporary
> structure intended for several weekends worth of use.
> Thanking you all in advance and best wishes for the New Year!!!
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,not exactly itching to work but beginning to
> tremble,just abit,from along the shores of the mighty
> St.Lawrence.........
Peter,
This is a solution I've used yearround here in the Pacific Northwest for
three big projects.
http://www.multihullboatbuilder.com/workshop/Trifle/Trifle25.html
I've used it for up to 46' catatmaran hull. On a nice day it isn't too
much trouble to pull the plastic off to one side and work in the sunshine,
and have open air for sanding. The squirrel cage might be found used from a
furnace company or salvage yard. For two of the boats I used the oil
furnace too so I could blow in hot air for curing resin. On this more
recent project I used System Three resin and electric blankets and heaters.
It is a nice bright workspace, and if you can score a blower, maybe the
cheapest way to cover a project. On sunny days you get the greenhouse
effect. Of course, when not working tools are gathered up under the hull and
the tent deflated.
Having said all this, I'll add that for the 24' project I would like to
start next spring I am thinking of investing a little more and doing
something like one of Proaconstrictor's suggestions, the idea being to have
a cover to park the boat under on its trailer. I've been eyeballing the
plastic and white tarp carports around here, though like you say, they are
expensive. I like the arched pvc pipe over rebar stakes idea. I'll be
interested to see what you come up with.
Happy sailing in the New Year
Gary Lepak
Port Angeles, WA
This is a solution I've used yearround here in the Pacific Northwest for
three big projects.
http://www.multihullboatbuilder.com/workshop/Trifle/Trifle25.html
I've used it for up to 46' catatmaran hull. On a nice day it isn't too
much trouble to pull the plastic off to one side and work in the sunshine,
and have open air for sanding. The squirrel cage might be found used from a
furnace company or salvage yard. For two of the boats I used the oil
furnace too so I could blow in hot air for curing resin. On this more
recent project I used System Three resin and electric blankets and heaters.
It is a nice bright workspace, and if you can score a blower, maybe the
cheapest way to cover a project. On sunny days you get the greenhouse
effect. Of course, when not working tools are gathered up under the hull and
the tent deflated.
Having said all this, I'll add that for the 24' project I would like to
start next spring I am thinking of investing a little more and doing
something like one of Proaconstrictor's suggestions, the idea being to have
a cover to park the boat under on its trailer. I've been eyeballing the
plastic and white tarp carports around here, though like you say, they are
expensive. I like the arched pvc pipe over rebar stakes idea. I'll be
interested to see what you come up with.
Happy sailing in the New Year
Gary Lepak
Port Angeles, WA
I think that a shelter designed for a few weeks, really just calls
for a few tarps strung up. If there are any trees or buildings near
by sling a rope over the project, and throw a tarp over that. We
used such a shelter at the wooden boat school, and I thought we were
wasting our time, but the hour or so spent moving the project and
assembling all the tarps was well worth it.
There are a bunch of temporary boatbuilding, the various hoop shelter
for one, but they aren't free, and I don't think they would be worth
it for few weeekends. On the other hand they are worth it for the to
end up building indoors. The two main strategies are the wooden
hoops covered in Gougeons and The Laminated Wooder Boatbuilder (which
covers a number of strategies). The other method uses rebar hammered
at an angle into the ground with PVC pipe over it, and conduit
perlins. Best coverage of that I have seen was in a recently
published book on forcing the northern cold-weather garden. Not sure
what it was called, but it was at Chapters. Probably by Lark's press
or maybe Sterling.
for a few tarps strung up. If there are any trees or buildings near
by sling a rope over the project, and throw a tarp over that. We
used such a shelter at the wooden boat school, and I thought we were
wasting our time, but the hour or so spent moving the project and
assembling all the tarps was well worth it.
There are a bunch of temporary boatbuilding, the various hoop shelter
for one, but they aren't free, and I don't think they would be worth
it for few weeekends. On the other hand they are worth it for the to
end up building indoors. The two main strategies are the wooden
hoops covered in Gougeons and The Laminated Wooder Boatbuilder (which
covers a number of strategies). The other method uses rebar hammered
at an angle into the ground with PVC pipe over it, and conduit
perlins. Best coverage of that I have seen was in a recently
published book on forcing the northern cold-weather garden. Not sure
what it was called, but it was at Chapters. Probably by Lark's press
or maybe Sterling.
Bolgerados,
Greetings from along the shores of the St.Lawrence,which keeps
going from freeze to thaw every couple of weeks.
I am seeking ideas/plans/suggestions for a shelter that is
both "home" buildable AND cheap. It does not have to support snow but
rather keep rain off a work area measuring 12' X 40'.
Not that I intend on doing any serious work in the dead of
winter but rather I hope to get an early jump on the summer session
by doing some stuff in mid-March or April....and if the present
weather pattern is any guage,Spring will be sprung sooner then later.
So,any crafty ideas out? Headroom under this shelter/structure
would be really sweet.....
Finally,I have looked into those portable garages(TEMPO,CITADEL
etc) and these are a bit too rich($1450.00) for such a temporary
structure intended for several weekends worth of use.
Thanking you all in advance and best wishes for the New Year!!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,not exactly itching to work but beginning to
tremble,just abit,from along the shores of the mighty
St.Lawrence.........
Greetings from along the shores of the St.Lawrence,which keeps
going from freeze to thaw every couple of weeks.
I am seeking ideas/plans/suggestions for a shelter that is
both "home" buildable AND cheap. It does not have to support snow but
rather keep rain off a work area measuring 12' X 40'.
Not that I intend on doing any serious work in the dead of
winter but rather I hope to get an early jump on the summer session
by doing some stuff in mid-March or April....and if the present
weather pattern is any guage,Spring will be sprung sooner then later.
So,any crafty ideas out? Headroom under this shelter/structure
would be really sweet.....
Finally,I have looked into those portable garages(TEMPO,CITADEL
etc) and these are a bit too rich($1450.00) for such a temporary
structure intended for several weekends worth of use.
Thanking you all in advance and best wishes for the New Year!!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,not exactly itching to work but beginning to
tremble,just abit,from along the shores of the mighty
St.Lawrence.........