RE: [bolger] Quick and dirty
Howdy
ground and looping plastic pipe between them to make a Quonset hut style
shed is appealing.
I went to Ace hardware today. They have plastic pipe there for $1 per
10 ft section. It's about 5/8ths OD, and very flexible. There are
connectors available that fit that pipe for $0.14 each. The pipe is too
flexible to just hoop from one side to the other.
BUT. If you put 2 rows of rebar pins in the ground with the pins in
each row about 2-3 ft. apart, then started hooping the pipe diagonally
say from the first pin in one row to the 4th pin in the other and the
same on the other side. So in the end you have a network of diagonally
crossing pipe. Then just zip tie each junction, and BINGO a geodesic
structure. Then throw a Tarp over it, and Ya got a shelter.
The connectors are a snug fit, so no glue is necessary, which means the
whole thing can break down into a pile of 10 ft sections.
For a 30 ft. long shelter and pins about 2 ft apart means 15 pins on
either side so 15 hoops, 3 sections of pipe per hoop Plus 6 more
sections for the ends. Probably around $60 for pipe connectors, rebar,
and zip ties. OKAY maybe more. :) but not much more. Or at least
that's what I'm thinkin.
With 30 ft hoops, pins 2 ft apart, and crossing from the first pin to
the fourth on the other side, alternating directions every other pin the
shelter will be 8 1/2 ft tall in the center, and 18 ft wide. That's
based on a circular cross section. If you place the rows of pins closer
than 18 Ft it will bow out along the sides and up in the center. I
think that by adjusting where you zip tie the intersections together,
you could modify the shape to increase the center height and have the
sides more vertical. Like I said the pipe is very flexible, and I
imagine they could be worked into an inverted U shape.
The Ace Hardware store in town has a real liberal return policy, I got a
couple bucks burning a hole in my pocket, some room in the backyard and
a couple sections of rebar layin around. So maybe I'll give it a try.
If I do I'll let ya'll know.
See Ya
Have Fun
Bruce
www.myweb.cableone.net/bcanderson
> -----Original Message-----This thread has got me thinking, method of putting rebar pins in the
> From: Paul McLellan <bysc@...> [mailto:bysc@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:07 AM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Quick and dirty
> Peter I have just visited a house on the St. Lawrence River west of
> Cornwall and they had a wonderful shelter made of rebar and tarps.
> The chap was rebuilding a very long 5th wheel and the space was
> perfect. The rebar was stuck in the ground and bent over and
> stuck in
> the other side, no pipe. Each frame of rebar consisted of a few
> pieces because of the major height requirement for the fifth wheel.
> The frames were about 3 foot intervals and each end had some extra
> framing and a door. The other end was tied into a double
> garage. It
ground and looping plastic pipe between them to make a Quonset hut style
shed is appealing.
I went to Ace hardware today. They have plastic pipe there for $1 per
10 ft section. It's about 5/8ths OD, and very flexible. There are
connectors available that fit that pipe for $0.14 each. The pipe is too
flexible to just hoop from one side to the other.
BUT. If you put 2 rows of rebar pins in the ground with the pins in
each row about 2-3 ft. apart, then started hooping the pipe diagonally
say from the first pin in one row to the 4th pin in the other and the
same on the other side. So in the end you have a network of diagonally
crossing pipe. Then just zip tie each junction, and BINGO a geodesic
structure. Then throw a Tarp over it, and Ya got a shelter.
The connectors are a snug fit, so no glue is necessary, which means the
whole thing can break down into a pile of 10 ft sections.
For a 30 ft. long shelter and pins about 2 ft apart means 15 pins on
either side so 15 hoops, 3 sections of pipe per hoop Plus 6 more
sections for the ends. Probably around $60 for pipe connectors, rebar,
and zip ties. OKAY maybe more. :) but not much more. Or at least
that's what I'm thinkin.
With 30 ft hoops, pins 2 ft apart, and crossing from the first pin to
the fourth on the other side, alternating directions every other pin the
shelter will be 8 1/2 ft tall in the center, and 18 ft wide. That's
based on a circular cross section. If you place the rows of pins closer
than 18 Ft it will bow out along the sides and up in the center. I
think that by adjusting where you zip tie the intersections together,
you could modify the shape to increase the center height and have the
sides more vertical. Like I said the pipe is very flexible, and I
imagine they could be worked into an inverted U shape.
The Ace Hardware store in town has a real liberal return policy, I got a
couple bucks burning a hole in my pocket, some room in the backyard and
a couple sections of rebar layin around. So maybe I'll give it a try.
If I do I'll let ya'll know.
See Ya
Have Fun
Bruce
www.myweb.cableone.net/bcanderson
Hi Paul,
Thanks for the idea with the rebar.....this certainly sounds like
the weight I would need to hold down the tarp(s) from flying off!
I am not sure about your reference to Hawkeye? The most recent
posting on Hawkeye is from Nels who mentions pictures are available
over in the photo section on Bolger2.
I like the boat,especially the modified one in the photo section
however I would be more inclined to do a Devlin SURF SCOTER(the
stretched version) if that particular style intrigued me enough to
build.The Hawkeye version is just a bit too much of a design
exercise,to my eye,while Devlins is straight forward large scale S&G
building..
Perhaps Nels could offer further thoughts for you to consider?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Paul McLellan <bysc@i...>" > Peter I
am considering moving to
Thanks for the idea with the rebar.....this certainly sounds like
the weight I would need to hold down the tarp(s) from flying off!
I am not sure about your reference to Hawkeye? The most recent
posting on Hawkeye is from Nels who mentions pictures are available
over in the photo section on Bolger2.
I like the boat,especially the modified one in the photo section
however I would be more inclined to do a Devlin SURF SCOTER(the
stretched version) if that particular style intrigued me enough to
build.The Hawkeye version is just a bit too much of a design
exercise,to my eye,while Devlins is straight forward large scale S&G
building..
Perhaps Nels could offer further thoughts for you to consider?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Paul McLellan <bysc@i...>" > Peter I
am considering moving to
> this area on the river and lost the reference you made to picturesof
> a hawkeye with an expanded cabin area. I always loved the designand
> thought it would make a splendid St. lawrence river boat forutility
> and ocassional sleep overs while travelling. My page for thehawkeye
> in BWOM is dog eared. Any thoughts on the hawkeye?
Peter Wrote
" From: "Peter Lenihan <ellengaest@...>"
<ellengaest@...>
Subject: Re: Quick-N-Dirty boatshed/shelter
Thomas,
I suppose I should have mentioned that this is for a site out in
the flat open expanse of a boat storage yard.No trees,overhead
rafters or other hard points above.(no shade also...:-(
The other point I did not mention was that this crazy place has
got to be about the windiest spot near Montreal.The wind just seems
to howl here along the river to the point where I have already gone
through two blue poly tarps,in exactly as many days.Mind you,the wind
does make vacuming up saw dust pointless thus keeping the work area
very clean and vapours....well it would be hard to imagine a better
ventilated"shop" except perhaps a wind tunnel.
Peter I have just visited a house on the St. Lawrence River west of
Cornwall and they had a wonderful shelter made of rebar and tarps.
The chap was rebuilding a very long 5th wheel and the space was
perfect. The rebar was stuck in the ground and bent over and stuck in
the other side, no pipe. Each frame of rebar consisted of a few
pieces because of the major height requirement for the fifth wheel.
The frames were about 3 foot intervals and each end had some extra
framing and a door. The other end was tied into a double garage. It
is a beauty and looked like it would be easy you build. I could give
you the coordinates if you are interested. I am considering moving to
this area on the river and lost the reference you made to pictures of
a hawkeye with an expanded cabin area. I always loved the design and
thought it would make a splendid St. lawrence river boat for utility
and ocassional sleep overs while travelling. My page for the hawkeye
in BWOM is dog eared. Any thoughts on the hawkeye?
" From: "Peter Lenihan <ellengaest@...>"
<ellengaest@...>
Subject: Re: Quick-N-Dirty boatshed/shelter
Thomas,
I suppose I should have mentioned that this is for a site out in
the flat open expanse of a boat storage yard.No trees,overhead
rafters or other hard points above.(no shade also...:-(
The other point I did not mention was that this crazy place has
got to be about the windiest spot near Montreal.The wind just seems
to howl here along the river to the point where I have already gone
through two blue poly tarps,in exactly as many days.Mind you,the wind
does make vacuming up saw dust pointless thus keeping the work area
very clean and vapours....well it would be hard to imagine a better
ventilated"shop" except perhaps a wind tunnel.
Peter I have just visited a house on the St. Lawrence River west of
Cornwall and they had a wonderful shelter made of rebar and tarps.
The chap was rebuilding a very long 5th wheel and the space was
perfect. The rebar was stuck in the ground and bent over and stuck in
the other side, no pipe. Each frame of rebar consisted of a few
pieces because of the major height requirement for the fifth wheel.
The frames were about 3 foot intervals and each end had some extra
framing and a door. The other end was tied into a double garage. It
is a beauty and looked like it would be easy you build. I could give
you the coordinates if you are interested. I am considering moving to
this area on the river and lost the reference you made to pictures of
a hawkeye with an expanded cabin area. I always loved the design and
thought it would make a splendid St. lawrence river boat for utility
and ocassional sleep overs while travelling. My page for the hawkeye
in BWOM is dog eared. Any thoughts on the hawkeye?