Re: Request for information on shallow draft (1 foot) inboard deisel boat design with cabin.
I know it's deeper than your requested 1 foot, but you should check
out the Plywood Diesel Cruiser in BWAOM. Its 23'6", and draws2'2".
The article in the latest Woodenboat suggests to me that you need a
high degree of seaworthiness for that area, and I would ask Bolger
directly about the suitability of any of his designs, including
Champlain, and the Diesel Cruiser.
Peter
out the Plywood Diesel Cruiser in BWAOM. Its 23'6", and draws2'2".
The article in the latest Woodenboat suggests to me that you need a
high degree of seaworthiness for that area, and I would ask Bolger
directly about the suitability of any of his designs, including
Champlain, and the Diesel Cruiser.
Peter
Charles,
North River is tidal and I'd be interested in the depth range
there. I have been all over the area around you but never in your
river. My boat has a keel draft of 8 1/2 inches but the outboard
prop is, of course, below that. It can be power tilted up some for
shallow water but I'm not sure how much and still make good
headway. We have sneaked (slowly) into Lewis Creek and Sleepy Creek
which are both shallower than North River.
Remember that the outboard prop can at least be replaced from
topside. Four strokes are very nice. I'm up the ICW about 25 miles
from you in Oriental. My boat can be seen at:
http://www.messing-about.com/SmallBoats/
Tom Lathrop
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Vaughan" <cvaughan@m...>
wrote:
has a lot of shallow water. 2 feet or less. Therefore I need a
boat that will work in rather shallow water. Most of the bottom is
mud so if I use an inboard with a radiator if I hit bottom I can
just plow through. That way I will not get trash in the engine.
can use it all year. Would like to just pull up in a cove and spend
the day in a heated cabin - reading or just enjoying the scenery.
foot of water would be great.
me toward a good design for my purpose.
North River is tidal and I'd be interested in the depth range
there. I have been all over the area around you but never in your
river. My boat has a keel draft of 8 1/2 inches but the outboard
prop is, of course, below that. It can be power tilted up some for
shallow water but I'm not sure how much and still make good
headway. We have sneaked (slowly) into Lewis Creek and Sleepy Creek
which are both shallower than North River.
Remember that the outboard prop can at least be replaced from
topside. Four strokes are very nice. I'm up the ICW about 25 miles
from you in Oriental. My boat can be seen at:
http://www.messing-about.com/SmallBoats/
Tom Lathrop
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Vaughan" <cvaughan@m...>
wrote:
> Diesel inboard seems just like what the doctor ordered.about 4 miles inland to Cape Lookout. The North River is large but
>
> I have recently moved up on the North River at Beaufort, NC. I am
has a lot of shallow water. 2 feet or less. Therefore I need a
boat that will work in rather shallow water. Most of the bottom is
mud so if I use an inboard with a radiator if I hit bottom I can
just plow through. That way I will not get trash in the engine.
>River. I would like something around 20 - 26 feet with a cabin so I
> I want to wander up and down the Inland Waterway and in the North
can use it all year. Would like to just pull up in a cove and spend
the day in a heated cabin - reading or just enjoying the scenery.
>gets up.
> I need something that will be safe with 2 foot waves when the wind
>recommend that I not take that route.
> Have looked at pontoon boats with a homemade cabin but many
>inboard. Something with a near flat bottom that operates well in 1
> Most people here use outboard engines but I would like an
foot of water would be great.
>people on this site are familiar with various designs and can point
> I am new to this but will be able to build a boat. I figure
me toward a good design for my purpose.
>Stratton
> Your help will be appreciated.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Harry James
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 2:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] New Marine equiptment from Briggs &
>looking at
>
> John
>
> I had been looking at the Vanguard for a while. I have also been
> the Hatz aircooled deisel.Cheapest I have
>
> Can you give a little more info on transmission sources?
> found was over $500 for a manual.instruments
>
> Another cheap deisel is the china diesel at
>
>http://www.hardydiesel.com/mrn/Index.htm
>
> $2,500 for a 25hp diesel with transmision , heat exchanger and
> plus free shipping. Not a light wieght at 1,000 lbs. There alsomight be
> slave labor issues, though you can't question that if you arewearing Nike's.
>diesel
> HJ
>
>
> On Friday 10 January 2003 09:52 am, you wrote:
> > I was looking today for the best price on a Vanguard B&S
> > engine and noticed that they have upgraded from 26.5 to 31H.P. self
> > contained unit with radiator and ready to run. The lowestprice now
> > is $2,312.95 plus shipping. A transmission will run about $250more
> > from a discount marine supply house. They also have a 23.5H.P. model
> > for slightly less money but the same weight.stand
> >
> > Briggs & Stratton has also come out with a new 4 cycle 5 H.P.
> > outboard motor that has forward and reverse plus a 3 gallon
> > alone fuel tank. They are claiming it to be a very low costvibration. It
> > alternative to import engines with low noise and low
> > sounds like a perfect low cost kicker motor for states that areoutboard.
> > demanding the use of cleaner 4 cycle outboards.
> >
> > All of these can be seen at
> >http://www.briggsandstratton.com/bpp_splash.asp
> >
> > Go to the north American site then to new products for the
> > The diesel engine can be found under Briggs & Stratton Engines/diesel
> > Search by brand/ Vanguard. I found the 2312.95 figure for the
> > by searching prices on the web. I haven't been able yet tofind a
> > price on the outboard but I'm sure it will be about 1/3 ofwhat a
> > Honda costs(my favorite). Briggs and Stratton engines areeasy to
> > work on and almost everyone owns one who has a lawn mower. TheDiesel
> > I think is a Daihatsu 3 cylinder sold and by warranted B&S. Itshould
> > give excellent fuel economy and heater hoses can be run fromit's
> > closed system for warming the cabin.horses
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks,Fred' posts
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and<snip> away
> > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,Gloucester, MA,
> > 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349 - Unsubscribe:subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>horses
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Oooops!Forgot to mention CHAMPLAIN is 22'6" X 7'11" X 11"(16" with
outboard lowered and about 4000lbs. with 52 gals gas,60 gals water
and 45 gals holding tank.This should allow you to "escape" for a
weekend or two!
Peter Lenihan
outboard lowered and about 4000lbs. with 52 gals gas,60 gals water
and 45 gals holding tank.This should allow you to "escape" for a
weekend or two!
Peter Lenihan
Charles,
This may not be what the "doctor ordered" so consider it as a
second opinion at best or a differential diagnosis at worst :-)
Have a look here and click on the photo album called CHAMPLAIN,
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/lst
I believe you will have to look long and hard to come up with
a boat that comes close to this ones abilities,especially in skinny
water.She can be insulated,has full standing headroom,private
WC,heated cabin,trailerable and with the prescribed 9.9hp 4stroke
outboard has something like a 360nm range with full tanks(52gals).
It is not too likely that her styling will offend too many
very much either and she is designed for amateur builders!The roof
top can support a dinghy or even a couple of canoes/kayaks for really
exploring"shallow" waters up some lost and mysterious creek where
surprise lays waiting around every bend..........
Sell or trade your diesel for the outboard and/or
plywood/epoxy needed for the CHAMPLAIN.
Good luck with your choices and I look forward to seeing what
other Bolger designs will be recommended!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Vaughan" <cvaughan@m...>
wrote:
can use it all year. Would like to just pull up in a cove and spend
the day in a heated cabin - reading or just enjoying the scenery.
toward a good design for my purpose.
This may not be what the "doctor ordered" so consider it as a
second opinion at best or a differential diagnosis at worst :-)
Have a look here and click on the photo album called CHAMPLAIN,
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/lst
I believe you will have to look long and hard to come up with
a boat that comes close to this ones abilities,especially in skinny
water.She can be insulated,has full standing headroom,private
WC,heated cabin,trailerable and with the prescribed 9.9hp 4stroke
outboard has something like a 360nm range with full tanks(52gals).
It is not too likely that her styling will offend too many
very much either and she is designed for amateur builders!The roof
top can support a dinghy or even a couple of canoes/kayaks for really
exploring"shallow" waters up some lost and mysterious creek where
surprise lays waiting around every bend..........
Sell or trade your diesel for the outboard and/or
plywood/epoxy needed for the CHAMPLAIN.
Good luck with your choices and I look forward to seeing what
other Bolger designs will be recommended!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Vaughan" <cvaughan@m...>
wrote:
> Diesel inboard seems just like what the doctor ordered.River. I would like something around 20 - 26 feet with a cabin so I
>
> >
> I want to wander up and down the Inland Waterway and in the North
can use it all year. Would like to just pull up in a cove and spend
the day in a heated cabin - reading or just enjoying the scenery.
>gets up.
> I need something that will be safe with 2 foot waves when the wind
>on this site are familiar with various designs and can point me
> >
> Most people here use outboard engines
>
> I am new to this but will be able to build a boat. I figure people
toward a good design for my purpose.
>
> Your help will be appreciated.
>
>
Diesel inboard seems just like what the doctor ordered.
I have recently moved up on the North River at Beaufort, NC. I am about 4 miles inland to Cape Lookout. The North River is large but has a lot of shallow water. 2 feet or less. Therefore I need a boat that will work in rather shallow water. Most of the bottom is mud so if I use an inboard with a radiator if I hit bottom I can just plow through. That way I will not get trash in the engine.
I want to wander up and down the Inland Waterway and in the North River. I would like something around 20 - 26 feet with a cabin so I can use it all year. Would like to just pull up in a cove and spend the day in a heated cabin - reading or just enjoying the scenery.
I need something that will be safe with 2 foot waves when the wind gets up.
Have looked at pontoon boats with a homemade cabin but many recommend that I not take that route.
Most people here use outboard engines but I would like an inboard. Something with a near flat bottom that operates well in 1 foot of water would be great.
I am new to this but will be able to build a boat. I figure people on this site are familiar with various designs and can point me toward a good design for my purpose.
Your help will be appreciated.
I have recently moved up on the North River at Beaufort, NC. I am about 4 miles inland to Cape Lookout. The North River is large but has a lot of shallow water. 2 feet or less. Therefore I need a boat that will work in rather shallow water. Most of the bottom is mud so if I use an inboard with a radiator if I hit bottom I can just plow through. That way I will not get trash in the engine.
I want to wander up and down the Inland Waterway and in the North River. I would like something around 20 - 26 feet with a cabin so I can use it all year. Would like to just pull up in a cove and spend the day in a heated cabin - reading or just enjoying the scenery.
I need something that will be safe with 2 foot waves when the wind gets up.
Have looked at pontoon boats with a homemade cabin but many recommend that I not take that route.
Most people here use outboard engines but I would like an inboard. Something with a near flat bottom that operates well in 1 foot of water would be great.
I am new to this but will be able to build a boat. I figure people on this site are familiar with various designs and can point me toward a good design for my purpose.
Your help will be appreciated.
----- Original Message -----
From: Harry James
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] New Marine equiptment from Briggs & Stratton
John
I had been looking at the Vanguard for a while. I have also been looking at
the Hatz aircooled deisel.
Can you give a little more info on transmission sources? Cheapest I have
found was over $500 for a manual.
Another cheap deisel is the china diesel at
http://www.hardydiesel.com/mrn/Index.htm
$2,500 for a 25hp diesel with transmision , heat exchanger and instruments
plus free shipping. Not a light wieght at 1,000 lbs. There also might be
slave labor issues, though you can't question that if you are wearing Nike's.
HJ
On Friday 10 January 2003 09:52 am, you wrote:
> I was looking today for the best price on a Vanguard B&S diesel
> engine and noticed that they have upgraded from 26.5 to 31 H.P. self
> contained unit with radiator and ready to run. The lowest price now
> is $2,312.95 plus shipping. A transmission will run about $250 more
> from a discount marine supply house. They also have a 23.5 H.P. model
> for slightly less money but the same weight.
>
> Briggs & Stratton has also come out with a new 4 cycle 5 H.P.
> outboard motor that has forward and reverse plus a 3 gallon stand
> alone fuel tank. They are claiming it to be a very low cost
> alternative to import engines with low noise and low vibration. It
> sounds like a perfect low cost kicker motor for states that are
> demanding the use of cleaner 4 cycle outboards.
>
> All of these can be seen at
>http://www.briggsandstratton.com/bpp_splash.asp
>
> Go to the north American site then to new products for the outboard.
> The diesel engine can be found under Briggs & Stratton Engines/
> Search by brand/ Vanguard. I found the 2312.95 figure for the diesel
> by searching prices on the web. I haven't been able yet to find a
> price on the outboard but I'm sure it will be about 1/3 of what a
> Honda costs(my favorite). Briggs and Stratton engines are easy to
> work on and almost everyone owns one who has a lawn mower. The Diesel
> I think is a Daihatsu 3 cylinder sold and by warranted B&S. It should
> give excellent fuel economy and heater hoses can be run from it's
> closed system for warming the cabin.
>
> John
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349 - Unsubscribe:
>bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>
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