Re: [bolger] CHAMPLAIN on my Brain
Ken,
As (to my knowledge) the only one out there building Dakota, I must say that
I am very surprised to hear that Suzanne has suggested it as a "speed play".
Dakota is 38' X 8' and is a HEAVY (over 3 tons loaded) boat. Although it has
shallow draft, I would say it would perform more like a displacement boat.
The recommended power is the Yamaha 50T which has a geared down lower unit
and turns a large diameter prop. It has considerable rocker fore and aft, so
attempting to hang enough power on it to plane would surely make it squat
and wallow. This boat is basically an easily driven (at displacement speed)
houseboat.
Of the Bolger box boats I'm familiar with, I would choose the Fast
Motorsailer (minus the sail, mast, leeboards, and rudders) as a trailable
cruiser that could handle water skiers, tubing, etc.
Vince
As (to my knowledge) the only one out there building Dakota, I must say that
I am very surprised to hear that Suzanne has suggested it as a "speed play".
Dakota is 38' X 8' and is a HEAVY (over 3 tons loaded) boat. Although it has
shallow draft, I would say it would perform more like a displacement boat.
The recommended power is the Yamaha 50T which has a geared down lower unit
and turns a large diameter prop. It has considerable rocker fore and aft, so
attempting to hang enough power on it to plane would surely make it squat
and wallow. This boat is basically an easily driven (at displacement speed)
houseboat.
Of the Bolger box boats I'm familiar with, I would choose the Fast
Motorsailer (minus the sail, mast, leeboards, and rudders) as a trailable
cruiser that could handle water skiers, tubing, etc.
Vince
i am trying to fix an image of Dakota pulling a tube, especially making a
quick turn.
ken
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quick turn.
ken
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>From: "Michael C. Kelly" <mikelly@...>
>To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] CHAMPLAIN on my Brain
>Date: Thu, Jan 16, 2003, 7:31 AM
>
> Follow-up:
>
> I faxed a request for into to Bolger & Friends last night (before going
> to work) and received an immediate call back from a VERY knowledgeable
> woman.
> She agreed that the Champlain would not be the best choice for my
> situation (a quickly built, low cost) outboard river inland lake
> cruiser, couple camper (with the flaps down), capable of dragging 5
> teenagers out for the the occasional slow tube ride on the lake,
> fishing, swimming and barbecue.
>
> She recommended the "Watervan" for human capacity and /or the Dakota for
> speed play. I've not seen a built version of Watervan. Does anyone know
> where I can see one on-line? She will be sending me some info on all.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
>
>
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Clams, Crabs, I was close. Who ever heard of a boat with 2 names
anyway??
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "jmbell1 <jmbell@m...>" <jmbell@m...>
wrote:
anyway??
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "jmbell1 <jmbell@m...>" <jmbell@m...>
wrote:
> You are building a Surf aka CRAB skiff. Clam Skiff is an 18'whether
> powerboat.
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "micro2001au <mooneycolin@d...>"
> <mooneycolin@d...> wrote:
> >
> > I saw Mikes reference to the Cabin Clam Skiff and wondered
> itglassed,
> > bore any resemblance to Surf, which is also known as the Clam
> Skiff.
> > I am half way through building Surf at the moment. (bottom
> > skids on.)
You are building a Surf aka CRAB skiff. Clam Skiff is an 18'
powerboat.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "micro2001au <mooneycolin@d...>"
<mooneycolin@d...> wrote:
powerboat.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "micro2001au <mooneycolin@d...>"
<mooneycolin@d...> wrote:
>it
> I saw Mikes reference to the Cabin Clam Skiff and wondered whether
> bore any resemblance to Surf, which is also known as the ClamSkiff.
> I am half way through building Surf at the moment. (bottom glassed,
> skids on.)
I saw Mikes reference to the Cabin Clam Skiff and wondered whether it
bore any resemblance to Surf, which is also known as the Clam Skiff.
I am half way through building Surf at the moment. (bottom glassed,
skids on.)
Col
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mikestockstill <mkstocks@b...>"
<mkstocks@b...> wrote:
bore any resemblance to Surf, which is also known as the Clam Skiff.
I am half way through building Surf at the moment. (bottom glassed,
skids on.)
Col
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mikestockstill <mkstocks@b...>"
<mkstocks@b...> wrote:
> Hi Michael -guy
>
> The whole point of Champlain is to have a displacement cruiser.
>
> If you want the same thing in a faster version, then build a
> Watervan, or the Cabin Clam Skiff, the skiff being cheaper.
>
> Mike
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Michael C. Kelly" <mikelly@a...>
> wrote:
> > Do you ever get a stupid song in your head that won't go away?
> >
> > A few days ago Peter Lenihan suggested a Bolger Chaplain to a
> > looking for a shallow draft boat.
> > I'm hooked.
> > I wonder if I could beef this up enough to pull some kids around
> the
> > lake on a tube at 8-10 m.p.h., while loaded with 7 teenagers?
> > Any idea where I can find materials list, plans etc. for this
> design?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Mike
Mike,
Take a look at the Hawkeye variant at the link below. If the link gets
chopped up and doesn't work, it is in the photos section of the Bolger2
Group.
Vince
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger2/vwp?.dir=/Hawkeye+Variant&.src=
gr&.dnm=Varian4.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bol
ger2/lst%3f%26.dir=/Hawkeye%2bVariant%26.src=gr%26.view=t
Take a look at the Hawkeye variant at the link below. If the link gets
chopped up and doesn't work, it is in the photos section of the Bolger2
Group.
Vince
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger2/vwp?.dir=/Hawkeye+Variant&.src=
gr&.dnm=Varian4.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bol
ger2/lst%3f%26.dir=/Hawkeye%2bVariant%26.src=gr%26.view=t
some more water van pics here:
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Hi Mike -
There is a file of Watervan info in the files section.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Watervan/
Mike
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Michael C. Kelly" <mikelly@a...>
wrote:
There is a file of Watervan info in the files section.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Watervan/
Mike
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Michael C. Kelly" <mikelly@a...>
wrote:
> Follow-up:Dakota for
>
> She recommended the "Watervan" for human capacity and /or the
> speed play. I've not seen a built version of Watervan. Does anyoneknow
> where I can see one on-line? She will be sending me some info onall.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Watervan/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael C. Kelly" <mikelly@...>
> She recommended the "Watervan" for human capacity and /or the Dakota for
> speed play. I've not seen a built version of Watervan. Does anyone know
> where I can see one on-line? She will be sending me some info on all.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
Ah Peter, I used to be a marine engineer in a previous career and have
seen the Rakyeta class hydrofoils in action up close and personal
(surveyed one once...). VERY interesting and highly-engineered beasts.
My favorite, though, was one I found on the beach in St. Lucia back in
the '70s: the Sovs had 'given' one to the government of St. Lucia as a
gift. I imagine they ran it around until either something broke or they
happened to notice how quickly the fuel levels dropped, but when I came
across it it was dragged up on the beach in the harbor at about a 20
degree list, and had a large family living in it with a cooking chimney
punched out a topside hatch (IT was vertical). Come to think of it, I
believe it WAS missing a foil on one side.....
I also examined a US Navy PHM (patrol hydrofoil missile) boat in Key
West a few years later that had struck an unsuspecting whale while
foil-born at speed; a bad end for the whale AND the skipper's
prospects....
I suppose you're right about the fuss and feathers, but doing a quick
'Disco Volante' act and chasing water vermin that thought they'd buzz
YOU seems like an attractive notion.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lenihan <ellengaest@...>
[mailto:ellengaest@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:08 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: CHAMPLAIN on my Brain
David,
We have several Russian made hydrofoils running up and down the
St.Lawrence between Montreal and Quebec City. I saw them close up
when they were being "restored" and brought up to Coast Guard specs.
and believe me,the foils and their struts have to be SUPER STRONG to
deal with the tons of garbage floating down stream from the Great
Lakes etc....In fact,I suspect that one foil/strut combo would weigh
as much as a CHAMPLAIN :-)
These beast are turbine driven with huge "radial" props with 10"
drive shafts.......
The day either Champlain or Windermere become so equipped,you
might as well kiss the tranquility of sheltered shallow waters
goodby.In fact,save a bundle and just buy a Sea-Doo(jet-skis) for the
rest of us to hurl spuds at :-)..............
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
seen the Rakyeta class hydrofoils in action up close and personal
(surveyed one once...). VERY interesting and highly-engineered beasts.
My favorite, though, was one I found on the beach in St. Lucia back in
the '70s: the Sovs had 'given' one to the government of St. Lucia as a
gift. I imagine they ran it around until either something broke or they
happened to notice how quickly the fuel levels dropped, but when I came
across it it was dragged up on the beach in the harbor at about a 20
degree list, and had a large family living in it with a cooking chimney
punched out a topside hatch (IT was vertical). Come to think of it, I
believe it WAS missing a foil on one side.....
I also examined a US Navy PHM (patrol hydrofoil missile) boat in Key
West a few years later that had struck an unsuspecting whale while
foil-born at speed; a bad end for the whale AND the skipper's
prospects....
I suppose you're right about the fuss and feathers, but doing a quick
'Disco Volante' act and chasing water vermin that thought they'd buzz
YOU seems like an attractive notion.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lenihan <ellengaest@...>
[mailto:ellengaest@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:08 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: CHAMPLAIN on my Brain
David,
We have several Russian made hydrofoils running up and down the
St.Lawrence between Montreal and Quebec City. I saw them close up
when they were being "restored" and brought up to Coast Guard specs.
and believe me,the foils and their struts have to be SUPER STRONG to
deal with the tons of garbage floating down stream from the Great
Lakes etc....In fact,I suspect that one foil/strut combo would weigh
as much as a CHAMPLAIN :-)
These beast are turbine driven with huge "radial" props with 10"
drive shafts.......
The day either Champlain or Windermere become so equipped,you
might as well kiss the tranquility of sheltered shallow waters
goodby.In fact,save a bundle and just buy a Sea-Doo(jet-skis) for the
rest of us to hurl spuds at :-)..............
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Follow-up:
I faxed a request for into to Bolger & Friends last night (before going
to work) and received an immediate call back from a VERY knowledgeable
woman.
She agreed that the Champlain would not be the best choice for my
situation (a quickly built, low cost) outboard river inland lake
cruiser, couple camper (with the flaps down), capable of dragging 5
teenagers out for the the occasional slow tube ride on the lake,
fishing, swimming and barbecue.
She recommended the "Watervan" for human capacity and /or the Dakota for
speed play. I've not seen a built version of Watervan. Does anyone know
where I can see one on-line? She will be sending me some info on all.
Thanks,
Mike
I faxed a request for into to Bolger & Friends last night (before going
to work) and received an immediate call back from a VERY knowledgeable
woman.
She agreed that the Champlain would not be the best choice for my
situation (a quickly built, low cost) outboard river inland lake
cruiser, couple camper (with the flaps down), capable of dragging 5
teenagers out for the the occasional slow tube ride on the lake,
fishing, swimming and barbecue.
She recommended the "Watervan" for human capacity and /or the Dakota for
speed play. I've not seen a built version of Watervan. Does anyone know
where I can see one on-line? She will be sending me some info on all.
Thanks,
Mike
David,
We have several Russian made hydrofoils running up and down the
St.Lawrence between Montreal and Quebec City. I saw them close up
when they were being "restored" and brought up to Coast Guard specs.
and believe me,the foils and their struts have to be SUPER STRONG to
deal with the tons of garbage floating down stream from the Great
Lakes etc....In fact,I suspect that one foil/strut combo would weigh
as much as a CHAMPLAIN :-)
These beast are turbine driven with huge "radial" props with 10"
drive shafts.......
The day either Champlain or Windermere become so equipped,you
might as well kiss the tranquility of sheltered shallow waters
goodby.In fact,save a bundle and just buy a Sea-Doo(jet-skis) for the
rest of us to hurl spuds at :-)..............
We have several Russian made hydrofoils running up and down the
St.Lawrence between Montreal and Quebec City. I saw them close up
when they were being "restored" and brought up to Coast Guard specs.
and believe me,the foils and their struts have to be SUPER STRONG to
deal with the tons of garbage floating down stream from the Great
Lakes etc....In fact,I suspect that one foil/strut combo would weigh
as much as a CHAMPLAIN :-)
These beast are turbine driven with huge "radial" props with 10"
drive shafts.......
The day either Champlain or Windermere become so equipped,you
might as well kiss the tranquility of sheltered shallow waters
goodby.In fact,save a bundle and just buy a Sea-Doo(jet-skis) for the
rest of us to hurl spuds at :-)..............
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David Romasco" <dromasco@g...> wrote:
> Ah, Mike, you're missing a great opportunity here: why not build
> Champlain as planned, then add retractable hydrofoils! A
displacement
> cruiser that can lift its skirts and dance the lambada on request...
>
> David
>
> P.S. - Peter: feel free to use my concept with Windermere; I'm SURE
PCB
> would be delighted with the notion!
>
> If you want the same thing in a faster version, then build aOr Retriever. Or Fast Motorsailer. What about Topaz?
> Watervan, or the Cabin Clam Skiff, the skiff being cheaper.
Ah, Mike, you're missing a great opportunity here: why not build
Champlain as planned, then add retractable hydrofoils! A displacement
cruiser that can lift its skirts and dance the lambada on request...
David
P.S. - Peter: feel free to use my concept with Windermere; I'm SURE PCB
would be delighted with the notion!
-----Original Message-----
From: mikestockstill <mkstocks@...>
[mailto:mkstocks@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:45 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: CHAMPLAIN on my Brain
Hi Michael -
The whole point of Champlain is to have a displacement cruiser.
If you want the same thing in a faster version, then build a
Watervan, or the Cabin Clam Skiff, the skiff being cheaper.
Mike
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Michael C. Kelly" <mikelly@a...>
wrote:
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Champlain as planned, then add retractable hydrofoils! A displacement
cruiser that can lift its skirts and dance the lambada on request...
David
P.S. - Peter: feel free to use my concept with Windermere; I'm SURE PCB
would be delighted with the notion!
-----Original Message-----
From: mikestockstill <mkstocks@...>
[mailto:mkstocks@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:45 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: CHAMPLAIN on my Brain
Hi Michael -
The whole point of Champlain is to have a displacement cruiser.
If you want the same thing in a faster version, then build a
Watervan, or the Cabin Clam Skiff, the skiff being cheaper.
Mike
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Michael C. Kelly" <mikelly@a...>
wrote:
> Do you ever get a stupid song in your head that won't go away?the
>
> A few days ago Peter Lenihan suggested a Bolger Chaplain to a guy
> looking for a shallow draft boat.
> I'm hooked.
> I wonder if I could beef this up enough to pull some kids around
> lake on a tube at 8-10 m.p.h., while loaded with 7 teenagers?design?
> Any idea where I can find materials list, plans etc. for this
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>
> Mike
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Hi Michael -
The whole point of Champlain is to have a displacement cruiser.
If you want the same thing in a faster version, then build a
Watervan, or the Cabin Clam Skiff, the skiff being cheaper.
Mike
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Michael C. Kelly" <mikelly@a...>
wrote:
The whole point of Champlain is to have a displacement cruiser.
If you want the same thing in a faster version, then build a
Watervan, or the Cabin Clam Skiff, the skiff being cheaper.
Mike
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Michael C. Kelly" <mikelly@a...>
wrote:
> Do you ever get a stupid song in your head that won't go away?the
>
> A few days ago Peter Lenihan suggested a Bolger Chaplain to a guy
> looking for a shallow draft boat.
> I'm hooked.
> I wonder if I could beef this up enough to pull some kids around
> lake on a tube at 8-10 m.p.h., while loaded with 7 teenagers?design?
> Any idea where I can find materials list, plans etc. for this
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike
Mike,
What you propose doing with a CHAMPLAIN is somewhat outside of
its raison d'etre.Not that it could not be done,but rather it would
result is some strange requirements,like bigger engine(s),beefed up
transom,increased gas tank volume and questionable handling at speed
with such a load......
Do as Vince recommends and go to the source with your
query.Perhaps Bolger already has a design more appropiate for your
intended use scenario,which sounds like a blast for the kids!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,anxious to see what Bolger would propose to fill your
particular"wish list",......from along the shores of the smokey
St.Lawrence....
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Michael C. Kelly" <mikelly@a...> wrote:
What you propose doing with a CHAMPLAIN is somewhat outside of
its raison d'etre.Not that it could not be done,but rather it would
result is some strange requirements,like bigger engine(s),beefed up
transom,increased gas tank volume and questionable handling at speed
with such a load......
Do as Vince recommends and go to the source with your
query.Perhaps Bolger already has a design more appropiate for your
intended use scenario,which sounds like a blast for the kids!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,anxious to see what Bolger would propose to fill your
particular"wish list",......from along the shores of the smokey
St.Lawrence....
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Michael C. Kelly" <mikelly@a...> wrote:
> Do you ever get a stupid song in your head that won't go away?the
>
> A few days ago Peter Lenihan suggested a Bolger Chaplain to a guy
> looking for a shallow draft boat.
> I'm hooked.
> I wonder if I could beef this up enough to pull some kids around
> lake on a tube at 8-10 m.p.h., while loaded with 7 teenagers?design?
> Any idea where I can find materials list, plans etc. for this
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike
You ain't going to get Champy up to 10 mph. It's too heavy and the wrong
shape to make the transition to those speeds.
shape to make the transition to those speeds.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael C. Kelly" <mikelly@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>; <ellengaest@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:16 PM
Subject: [bolger] CHAMPLAIN on my Brain
| Do you ever get a stupid song in your head that won't go away?
|
| A few days ago Peter Lenihan suggested a Bolger Chaplain to a guy
| looking for a shallow draft boat.
| I'm hooked.
| I wonder if I could beef this up enough to pull some kids around the
| lake on a tube at 8-10 m.p.h., while loaded with 7 teenagers?
| Any idea where I can find materials list, plans etc. for this design?
|
| Thanks!
|
| Mike
|
|
|
| Bolger rules!!!
| - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
| - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
| - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
| - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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|
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|
|
Do you ever get a stupid song in your head that won't go away?
A few days ago Peter Lenihan suggested a Bolger Chaplain to a guy
looking for a shallow draft boat.
I'm hooked.
I wonder if I could beef this up enough to pull some kids around the
lake on a tube at 8-10 m.p.h., while loaded with 7 teenagers?
Any idea where I can find materials list, plans etc. for this design?
Thanks!
Mike
A few days ago Peter Lenihan suggested a Bolger Chaplain to a guy
looking for a shallow draft boat.
I'm hooked.
I wonder if I could beef this up enough to pull some kids around the
lake on a tube at 8-10 m.p.h., while loaded with 7 teenagers?
Any idea where I can find materials list, plans etc. for this design?
Thanks!
Mike