Re: GREAT NEWS FOR ROMANTICS-A CORRECTION.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan <ellengaest@b...>"
<ellengaest@b...> wrote:
Steve Redmond did
I recently recieved an interesting e-mail from Steve Redmond
wishing to correct an error of mine.Specifically,the above
sentence.Those words"a pig and a half" are mine and based on a
remembered phone conversation with Steve 19 odd years ago.
Steve asserts that his Elver,in fact,never capsized but rather
was knocked-down in some rather extreme conditions and did recover on
her own.
Furthermore,there exists the very real possibility that during
the course of said phone conversation,where a number of topics were
addressed,I confused a hypothetical "capsize" with Steves actual
knock-down.Clearly,attempting to right any boat turned turtle
(capsized) would not be an easy task for one solo sailor(me).
Despite my apparent confussion at that time regarding capsize vs.
knock-down,I never mistook the designers wise advise regarding the
practice of good seamanship and prudence in less then perfect sailing
conditions.His expressed concern for the safe use of his design by
amateurs always stayed with me and allowed for many years of safe and
fulfilling enjoyment of my Elver.
So,to set the record straight,Steve Redmond never told me that
his boat "capsized and was a pig and a half to right".That was
strictly my misunderstanding and those were my words.I apologize for
any confusion this may have occasioned to anyone and trust that the
merits of such a fine design like the Elver will be obvious to anyone
who observes them.
Finally,it may be worth noting that,despite such a cautionary
tale,however much fiction based,blown up and far away from the
mundane truth it may be,I was not detered in my efforts to build an
Elver nor was my wholesome enjoyment of the finished boat lessened in
any way.This alone,I believe,speaks volumes for the wonderful
capabilities of the Elver,as designed,and should not be too readily
dismissed out of hand.
I now stand corrected.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
<ellengaest@b...> wrote:
Steve Redmond did
> once capsize on Lake Champlain with a group on board and apparentlyBolgerados and others interested in the ELVER,
> it was a pig and a half to right her.
I recently recieved an interesting e-mail from Steve Redmond
wishing to correct an error of mine.Specifically,the above
sentence.Those words"a pig and a half" are mine and based on a
remembered phone conversation with Steve 19 odd years ago.
Steve asserts that his Elver,in fact,never capsized but rather
was knocked-down in some rather extreme conditions and did recover on
her own.
Furthermore,there exists the very real possibility that during
the course of said phone conversation,where a number of topics were
addressed,I confused a hypothetical "capsize" with Steves actual
knock-down.Clearly,attempting to right any boat turned turtle
(capsized) would not be an easy task for one solo sailor(me).
Despite my apparent confussion at that time regarding capsize vs.
knock-down,I never mistook the designers wise advise regarding the
practice of good seamanship and prudence in less then perfect sailing
conditions.His expressed concern for the safe use of his design by
amateurs always stayed with me and allowed for many years of safe and
fulfilling enjoyment of my Elver.
So,to set the record straight,Steve Redmond never told me that
his boat "capsized and was a pig and a half to right".That was
strictly my misunderstanding and those were my words.I apologize for
any confusion this may have occasioned to anyone and trust that the
merits of such a fine design like the Elver will be obvious to anyone
who observes them.
Finally,it may be worth noting that,despite such a cautionary
tale,however much fiction based,blown up and far away from the
mundane truth it may be,I was not detered in my efforts to build an
Elver nor was my wholesome enjoyment of the finished boat lessened in
any way.This alone,I believe,speaks volumes for the wonderful
capabilities of the Elver,as designed,and should not be too readily
dismissed out of hand.
I now stand corrected.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
Thank you Peter,
Over the past year I have been sort of backing off from things
nautical; selling books, reducing the fleet etc. All of a sudden the
inspiration is back. Whisp is the next project. Whoever bought my
McCarthy book send it back!!!!!!!
Bob Chamberland
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan <ellengaest@b...>"
<ellengaest@b...> wrote:
Over the past year I have been sort of backing off from things
nautical; selling books, reducing the fleet etc. All of a sudden the
inspiration is back. Whisp is the next project. Whoever bought my
McCarthy book send it back!!!!!!!
Bob Chamberland
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan <ellengaest@b...>"
<ellengaest@b...> wrote:
> Bolgerados,
> Some of you out there may remember a designer called Steven
> Redmond of Wisp,Elver etc fame? Well he is back! Check it out here:
>
>http://www.sredmond.com/index.htm
>
> It appears to be very very recent but nevertheless bodes well
> for the future.Who knows,he may one day do an ELVER MKII(for the
> chronic romantic)
> Anyhow,I know it is almost in very bad taste to talk of
> another designer other then our Hero,but just so I remain polite,I
> will say that it was during the building of my Elver that I first saw
> that little black profile of the Micro in Larowes ads.It was
> virtually love at first.And although it was to be several years
> before I would actually build my Micro,thus consumating a match made
> in heaven,the Elver served as an excellent foundation toward aquiring
> better building skills.In other words,my Micro came out as good as it
> did because I used up all my mistakes on the Elver :-D
> Enjoy!
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,strolling down memory lane,despite the bitter
> cold,along the nutcrackin' shores of the St.Lawrence............
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "s_paskey <s_paskey@y...>"
<s_paskey@y...> wrote:
Not to draw focus away from Bolgers work,ie off-topic stuff,but
to reply to your question my ideas for a MKII would be as follows:
Re-draw the skeg into something closer to a shallow full length
keel with several hundred pounds of ballast,like a Micro keel.I would
keep the centerboard.The advantages of the flat bottom(shallow draft)
would not really be lost since the ELVER only had something like 6
inches all around and 14 inches for the skeg.No one in their right
mind is doing much sailing or going very fast in about a foot of
water.The ballast could be worked out to make Elver self-
righting,which she is not in her original state and Steve Redmond did
once capsize on Lake Champlain with a group on board and apparently
it was a pig and a half to right her.
Next on my list would be to set the rudder axis plumb instead of
canted as it is.This way the tiller movement would be more straight
forward and easier to rig a wheel and cable steering system.As it is
on the plans,the tiller does not so much pivot as falls off to one
side or the other thereby requiring more room on the aft deck to
steer with a tiller.
Then I would explore the possiblity of getting the mainmast in a
tabernacle.Certainly easier then have to hoist the mast up to near
vertical,drop it through the deck hole and take blind stabs at the
inside mast heel step.This may not be an issue if you do not intend
on ducking under low structures,and always have a crew on hand to go
bellow to guide the mast in.
And finally,I would take the time to elaborate on more"formal"
structures like a raised cocpit with bench seating
(advantages:enclosed volume for floatation and cocpit can be self
draining out the motor well),a proper outboard motor well
(advantages:motor less likely to pitch up into the air,less expossure
when coming up to a lock wall or other craft) and slightly raised
cabin dimensions for more comfortable inside sitting.
The rig could use some beefing up too as I broke one of my
mainsprits and always had trouble keeping it docile while motoring
until I added little Thames Barges touches to it like Sprit
arresters,real powerful snotter,bigger sprit scantlings etc....
So,there you have it Steve.My wish list for an ELVER MKII based
on several years of Elver cruising.Your experience may vary :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,ex-Elver owner/builder........
<s_paskey@y...> wrote:
> An Elver MKII? What would you change on the Elver MKI?Hi Steve,
>
Not to draw focus away from Bolgers work,ie off-topic stuff,but
to reply to your question my ideas for a MKII would be as follows:
Re-draw the skeg into something closer to a shallow full length
keel with several hundred pounds of ballast,like a Micro keel.I would
keep the centerboard.The advantages of the flat bottom(shallow draft)
would not really be lost since the ELVER only had something like 6
inches all around and 14 inches for the skeg.No one in their right
mind is doing much sailing or going very fast in about a foot of
water.The ballast could be worked out to make Elver self-
righting,which she is not in her original state and Steve Redmond did
once capsize on Lake Champlain with a group on board and apparently
it was a pig and a half to right her.
Next on my list would be to set the rudder axis plumb instead of
canted as it is.This way the tiller movement would be more straight
forward and easier to rig a wheel and cable steering system.As it is
on the plans,the tiller does not so much pivot as falls off to one
side or the other thereby requiring more room on the aft deck to
steer with a tiller.
Then I would explore the possiblity of getting the mainmast in a
tabernacle.Certainly easier then have to hoist the mast up to near
vertical,drop it through the deck hole and take blind stabs at the
inside mast heel step.This may not be an issue if you do not intend
on ducking under low structures,and always have a crew on hand to go
bellow to guide the mast in.
And finally,I would take the time to elaborate on more"formal"
structures like a raised cocpit with bench seating
(advantages:enclosed volume for floatation and cocpit can be self
draining out the motor well),a proper outboard motor well
(advantages:motor less likely to pitch up into the air,less expossure
when coming up to a lock wall or other craft) and slightly raised
cabin dimensions for more comfortable inside sitting.
The rig could use some beefing up too as I broke one of my
mainsprits and always had trouble keeping it docile while motoring
until I added little Thames Barges touches to it like Sprit
arresters,real powerful snotter,bigger sprit scantlings etc....
So,there you have it Steve.My wish list for an ELVER MKII based
on several years of Elver cruising.Your experience may vary :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,ex-Elver owner/builder........
Well spotted Peter. Redmond has been AWOL for years! May have been
off designing his web page?
Wisp must be one of the great classics.
I don't think Bolger would worry about your bigamy. Is he not a
Libertarian?
DonB
off designing his web page?
Wisp must be one of the great classics.
I don't think Bolger would worry about your bigamy. Is he not a
Libertarian?
DonB
> Bolgerados,well
> Some of you out there may remember a designer called Steven
> Redmond of Wisp,Elver etc fame? Well he is back! Check it out here:
>
>http://www.sredmond.com/index.htm
>
> It appears to be very very recent but nevertheless bodes
> for the future.Who knows,he may one day do an ELVER MKII(for thesaw
> chronic romantic)
> Anyhow,I know it is almost in very bad taste to talk of
> another designer other then our Hero,but just so I remain polite,I
> will say that it was during the building of my Elver that I first
> that little black profile of the Micro in Larowes ads.It wasmade
> virtually love at first.And although it was to be several years
> before I would actually build my Micro,thus consumating a match
> in heaven,the Elver served as an excellent foundation towardaquiring
> better building skills.In other words,my Micro came out as good asit
> did because I used up all my mistakes on the Elver :-D
> Enjoy!
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,strolling down memory lane,despite the bitter
> cold,along the nutcrackin' shores of the St.Lawrence............
Thanks Peter,
Whisp plans for 29 dollars what a deal!
Whisp plans for 29 dollars what a deal!
An Elver MKII? What would you change on the Elver MKI?
After reading the SBJ article about Elver, I find a lot to like in
the boat, and many things a Bolgerado -- and perhaps even PCB
himself -- might appreciate.
The dead-flat bottom with rounded sides and a sharp stern is very
much reminiscent of Dovekie. The rig is designed (as was the rig on
Rondo and other PCB designs) to do away with blocks and other
expensive hardware. Indeed, the whole boat is designed around the
idea of keeping things as light, simple, and inexpensive as
reasonably possible. All spars, for instance, can be made from
standard 16 foot dimensional lumber. And the idea of using woven
slings as bunks (think "hammock") is an intriguing alternative to
the usual cramped cabin on a small sailing cruiser.
Steve Paskey
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan <ellengaest@b...>"
<ellengaest@b...> wrote:
After reading the SBJ article about Elver, I find a lot to like in
the boat, and many things a Bolgerado -- and perhaps even PCB
himself -- might appreciate.
The dead-flat bottom with rounded sides and a sharp stern is very
much reminiscent of Dovekie. The rig is designed (as was the rig on
Rondo and other PCB designs) to do away with blocks and other
expensive hardware. Indeed, the whole boat is designed around the
idea of keeping things as light, simple, and inexpensive as
reasonably possible. All spars, for instance, can be made from
standard 16 foot dimensional lumber. And the idea of using woven
slings as bunks (think "hammock") is an intriguing alternative to
the usual cramped cabin on a small sailing cruiser.
Steve Paskey
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan <ellengaest@b...>"
<ellengaest@b...> wrote:
> Who knows,he may one day do an ELVER MKII(for the
> chronic romantic)
Bolgerados,
Some of you out there may remember a designer called Steven
Redmond of Wisp,Elver etc fame? Well he is back! Check it out here:
http://www.sredmond.com/index.htm
It appears to be very very recent but nevertheless bodes well
for the future.Who knows,he may one day do an ELVER MKII(for the
chronic romantic)
Anyhow,I know it is almost in very bad taste to talk of
another designer other then our Hero,but just so I remain polite,I
will say that it was during the building of my Elver that I first saw
that little black profile of the Micro in Larowes ads.It was
virtually love at first.And although it was to be several years
before I would actually build my Micro,thus consumating a match made
in heaven,the Elver served as an excellent foundation toward aquiring
better building skills.In other words,my Micro came out as good as it
did because I used up all my mistakes on the Elver :-D
Enjoy!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,strolling down memory lane,despite the bitter
cold,along the nutcrackin' shores of the St.Lawrence............
Some of you out there may remember a designer called Steven
Redmond of Wisp,Elver etc fame? Well he is back! Check it out here:
http://www.sredmond.com/index.htm
It appears to be very very recent but nevertheless bodes well
for the future.Who knows,he may one day do an ELVER MKII(for the
chronic romantic)
Anyhow,I know it is almost in very bad taste to talk of
another designer other then our Hero,but just so I remain polite,I
will say that it was during the building of my Elver that I first saw
that little black profile of the Micro in Larowes ads.It was
virtually love at first.And although it was to be several years
before I would actually build my Micro,thus consumating a match made
in heaven,the Elver served as an excellent foundation toward aquiring
better building skills.In other words,my Micro came out as good as it
did because I used up all my mistakes on the Elver :-D
Enjoy!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,strolling down memory lane,despite the bitter
cold,along the nutcrackin' shores of the St.Lawrence............