[bolger] Re: re;leeboards on a MICRO
You got it Steve, are you sure they weren't from Missouri?
Stan, S. G.
Stan, S. G.
In a message dated 2/13/2000 5:09:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
smuller@...writes:
<< this was the only one that I
just couldn't get through to. You have to forgive them, we are in
Missouri where the idea of a cruse is to get into the bass boat with its
100+ HP outboard and go zipping across the lake, so you can get there
before the fish wake up. >>
This reminded me of our sail yesterday - I had Landroval out for her second
sail ( which was better than the first) - another couple was sailing a Pocket
cat 18 and as we came into the dock ( central florida) two guys came in on
their bass boat and the one - (at least one beer too many) - said in a thick
drawl - while looking up at our two sailboats - That's just too damn much
work for me - How can you go out on the lake when it's that much damned work.
I just wanna get me in a boat and step on the gas. Steve Anderson
smuller@...writes:
<< this was the only one that I
just couldn't get through to. You have to forgive them, we are in
Missouri where the idea of a cruse is to get into the bass boat with its
100+ HP outboard and go zipping across the lake, so you can get there
before the fish wake up. >>
This reminded me of our sail yesterday - I had Landroval out for her second
sail ( which was better than the first) - another couple was sailing a Pocket
cat 18 and as we came into the dock ( central florida) two guys came in on
their bass boat and the one - (at least one beer too many) - said in a thick
drawl - while looking up at our two sailboats - That's just too damn much
work for me - How can you go out on the lake when it's that much damned work.
I just wanna get me in a boat and step on the gas. Steve Anderson
> > >Chuck,Peter, you were eloquent, I was only brief
> Thanks for elloquence and brevity........it is enough to make
> me jealous were it not for more pressing concerns of preserving my
> extremities from imminent frost-bite on this Godforsaken piece of
> real-estate in the middle of the not-yet-thawed St.Lawrence.Mille
> merci!!!!
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan
I hate to say this, but the weather here today is: high 70's, blue sky,
gentle breezes...
Chuck, trying not to enjoy the weather too much
Peter, I have printed your email, and delivered it to my neighbor.
I have to admit, I had the biggest, "I told you so" smile on my face
that I could muster.
The same as any other Micro builder, I have gotten a lot of, "why is
it this way?" questions from my friends and this was the only one that I
just couldn't get through to. You have to forgive them, we are in
Missouri where the idea of a cruse is to get into the bass boat with its
100+ HP outboard and go zipping across the lake, so you can get there
before the fish wake up. Things like center of gravity just don't get
into the formula.
Thanks, for making me look good, Stan, Snow Goose
I have to admit, I had the biggest, "I told you so" smile on my face
that I could muster.
The same as any other Micro builder, I have gotten a lot of, "why is
it this way?" questions from my friends and this was the only one that I
just couldn't get through to. You have to forgive them, we are in
Missouri where the idea of a cruse is to get into the bass boat with its
100+ HP outboard and go zipping across the lake, so you can get there
before the fish wake up. Things like center of gravity just don't get
into the formula.
Thanks, for making me look good, Stan, Snow Goose
"chuck leinweber" <chuc-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2625
me jealous were it not for more pressing concerns of preserving my
extremities from imminent frost-bite on this Godforsaken piece of
real-estate in the middle of the not-yet-thawed St.Lawrence.Mille
merci!!!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2625
> Peter:want an
>
> If I may be so bold as to try and sum up your eloquent essay: If you
> Micro-like boat with leeboards, find one that has already beendesigned, or
> commission the design of one.begin,you
>
> Chuck Leinweber, basking in the warm Texas sunshine
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: peter lenihan <ellengaest@...>
> To: <bolger@...>
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 10:11 AM
> Subject: [bolger] re;leeboards on a MICRO
>
>
> > Hello,
> > I cannot see exactly why anyone would want to tamper with the
> > proven success of the MICRO keel,as presented on the plans.To
> > are pretty much left on your own regarding the designing of YOUR ownboard to
> > leeboard not to mention just where,and how you will attach the
> > the hull.Where ever you calculate the board should go,you can besure
> > the hull section at that point has NOT been designed/engineered toyour
> > recieve the stresses of a leeboard,so once again you are left to
> > own devices/risks.raised,hence a
> > Consider also the question of ballast.With internal ballast,I
> > imagine that that the center of gravity will be somewhat
> > more tender(tippier?) boat.Also,you still have to get 450lbs oflead on
> > that boat,whether it is hung outside or laid inside.Inotherwords,just
> > how much grief does one wish to subject oneselves to?less so
> > Furthermore,the interior of the MICRO IS roomy but will be
> > once you begin to incorporate internal ballast tanks(if going withelse
> > water) but what is of considerable importance is this,with internal
> > lead ballast you must find a sure-fire way to SECURE that lead or
> > in a knockdown(however slight and quick and it willhappen......)that
> > lead is going to become very much a battering ram,of sorts,and mayagain,you
> > seriously damage your boat,to your great misfortune.So,once
> > are left on your own to puzzle out things like,well,how thick shouldlead?do I
> > the bottom now be?,how many bolts should I use to secure the
> > have to add more frames?will it be strong enough?etc,etc Instead ofof
> > proceeding,with confidence,with what should be a very
> > rewarding,fun,activity........boatbuilding!!!
> > One final thought that does manage to rise through the frozen
> > vapours is this,when all hell is breaking loose around you ie;lots
> > big waves,bigger wind and a rapidly approaching lee-shore,thatown
> > wonderfully long full-lenght keel on the MICRO will be doing its
> > damnest to keep you off of that shore!I have had the
> > nerve-racking,bowel-loosening,nail-biting,toe-curling pleasure of
> > experiencing this phenomenon on a number of occassions and have
> > survivrd intact,along with the boat,to tell the tale!
> > Kindly remember,that all of the above is nothing more then my
> > friendly advice designed to ensure that the MICRO does not surrenderthere is
> > its lofty status as number 1 small homebuildable boat and that
> > nothing worse then a totally smitten MICRO owner/builder givingadvice!
> > Sincerely,still
> >
> > Peter Lenihan,in the grips of another blasted arctic day,on the
> > frozen polluted banks of the St.Lawrence river...........Thanks for elloquence and brevity........it is enough to make
> >
> >Chuck,
me jealous were it not for more pressing concerns of preserving my
extremities from imminent frost-bite on this Godforsaken piece of
real-estate in the middle of the not-yet-thawed St.Lawrence.Mille
merci!!!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
Peter:
If I may be so bold as to try and sum up your eloquent essay: If you want an
Micro-like boat with leeboards, find one that has already been designed, or
commission the design of one.
Chuck Leinweber, basking in the warm Texas sunshine
If I may be so bold as to try and sum up your eloquent essay: If you want an
Micro-like boat with leeboards, find one that has already been designed, or
commission the design of one.
Chuck Leinweber, basking in the warm Texas sunshine
----- Original Message -----
From: peter lenihan <ellengaest@...>
To: <bolger@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 10:11 AM
Subject: [bolger] re;leeboards on a MICRO
> Hello,
> I cannot see exactly why anyone would want to tamper with the
> proven success of the MICRO keel,as presented on the plans.To begin,you
> are pretty much left on your own regarding the designing of YOUR own
> leeboard not to mention just where,and how you will attach the board to
> the hull.Where ever you calculate the board should go,you can be sure
> the hull section at that point has NOT been designed/engineered to
> recieve the stresses of a leeboard,so once again you are left to your
> own devices/risks.
> Consider also the question of ballast.With internal ballast,I
> imagine that that the center of gravity will be somewhat raised,hence a
> more tender(tippier?) boat.Also,you still have to get 450lbs of lead on
> that boat,whether it is hung outside or laid inside.In otherwords,just
> how much grief does one wish to subject oneselves to?
> Furthermore,the interior of the MICRO IS roomy but will be less so
> once you begin to incorporate internal ballast tanks(if going with
> water) but what is of considerable importance is this,with internal
> lead ballast you must find a sure-fire way to SECURE that lead or else
> in a knockdown(however slight and quick and it will happen......)that
> lead is going to become very much a battering ram,of sorts,and may
> seriously damage your boat,to your great misfortune.So,once again,you
> are left on your own to puzzle out things like,well,how thick should
> the bottom now be?,how many bolts should I use to secure the lead?do I
> have to add more frames?will it be strong enough?etc,etc Instead of
> proceeding,with confidence,with what should be a very
> rewarding,fun,activity........boatbuilding!!!
> One final thought that does manage to rise through the frozen
> vapours is this,when all hell is breaking loose around you ie;lots of
> big waves,bigger wind and a rapidly approaching lee-shore,that
> wonderfully long full-lenght keel on the MICRO will be doing its
> damnest to keep you off of that shore!I have had the
> nerve-racking,bowel-loosening,nail-biting,toe-curling pleasure of
> experiencing this phenomenon on a number of occassions and have
> survivrd intact,along with the boat,to tell the tale!
> Kindly remember,that all of the above is nothing more then my own
> friendly advice designed to ensure that the MICRO does not surrender
> its lofty status as number 1 small homebuildable boat and that there is
> nothing worse then a totally smitten MICRO owner/builder giving advice!
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan,in the grips of another blasted arctic day,on the still
> frozen polluted banks of the St.Lawrence river...........
>
>
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Hello,
I cannot see exactly why anyone would want to tamper with the
proven success of the MICRO keel,as presented on the plans.To begin,you
are pretty much left on your own regarding the designing of YOUR own
leeboard not to mention just where,and how you will attach the board to
the hull.Where ever you calculate the board should go,you can be sure
the hull section at that point has NOT been designed/engineered to
recieve the stresses of a leeboard,so once again you are left to your
own devices/risks.
Consider also the question of ballast.With internal ballast,I
imagine that that the center of gravity will be somewhat raised,hence a
more tender(tippier?) boat.Also,you still have to get 450lbs of lead on
that boat,whether it is hung outside or laid inside.In otherwords,just
how much grief does one wish to subject oneselves to?
Furthermore,the interior of the MICRO IS roomy but will be less so
once you begin to incorporate internal ballast tanks(if going with
water) but what is of considerable importance is this,with internal
lead ballast you must find a sure-fire way to SECURE that lead or else
in a knockdown(however slight and quick and it will happen......)that
lead is going to become very much a battering ram,of sorts,and may
seriously damage your boat,to your great misfortune.So,once again,you
are left on your own to puzzle out things like,well,how thick should
the bottom now be?,how many bolts should I use to secure the lead?do I
have to add more frames?will it be strong enough?etc,etc Instead of
proceeding,with confidence,with what should be a very
rewarding,fun,activity........boatbuilding!!!
One final thought that does manage to rise through the frozen
vapours is this,when all hell is breaking loose around you ie;lots of
big waves,bigger wind and a rapidly approaching lee-shore,that
wonderfully long full-lenght keel on the MICRO will be doing its
damnest to keep you off of that shore!I have had the
nerve-racking,bowel-loosening,nail-biting,toe-curling pleasure of
experiencing this phenomenon on a number of occassions and have
survivrd intact,along with the boat,to tell the tale!
Kindly remember,that all of the above is nothing more then my own
friendly advice designed to ensure that the MICRO does not surrender
its lofty status as number 1 small homebuildable boat and that there is
nothing worse then a totally smitten MICRO owner/builder giving advice!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,in the grips of another blasted arctic day,on the still
frozen polluted banks of the St.Lawrence river...........
I cannot see exactly why anyone would want to tamper with the
proven success of the MICRO keel,as presented on the plans.To begin,you
are pretty much left on your own regarding the designing of YOUR own
leeboard not to mention just where,and how you will attach the board to
the hull.Where ever you calculate the board should go,you can be sure
the hull section at that point has NOT been designed/engineered to
recieve the stresses of a leeboard,so once again you are left to your
own devices/risks.
Consider also the question of ballast.With internal ballast,I
imagine that that the center of gravity will be somewhat raised,hence a
more tender(tippier?) boat.Also,you still have to get 450lbs of lead on
that boat,whether it is hung outside or laid inside.In otherwords,just
how much grief does one wish to subject oneselves to?
Furthermore,the interior of the MICRO IS roomy but will be less so
once you begin to incorporate internal ballast tanks(if going with
water) but what is of considerable importance is this,with internal
lead ballast you must find a sure-fire way to SECURE that lead or else
in a knockdown(however slight and quick and it will happen......)that
lead is going to become very much a battering ram,of sorts,and may
seriously damage your boat,to your great misfortune.So,once again,you
are left on your own to puzzle out things like,well,how thick should
the bottom now be?,how many bolts should I use to secure the lead?do I
have to add more frames?will it be strong enough?etc,etc Instead of
proceeding,with confidence,with what should be a very
rewarding,fun,activity........boatbuilding!!!
One final thought that does manage to rise through the frozen
vapours is this,when all hell is breaking loose around you ie;lots of
big waves,bigger wind and a rapidly approaching lee-shore,that
wonderfully long full-lenght keel on the MICRO will be doing its
damnest to keep you off of that shore!I have had the
nerve-racking,bowel-loosening,nail-biting,toe-curling pleasure of
experiencing this phenomenon on a number of occassions and have
survivrd intact,along with the boat,to tell the tale!
Kindly remember,that all of the above is nothing more then my own
friendly advice designed to ensure that the MICRO does not surrender
its lofty status as number 1 small homebuildable boat and that there is
nothing worse then a totally smitten MICRO owner/builder giving advice!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,in the grips of another blasted arctic day,on the still
frozen polluted banks of the St.Lawrence river...........