[bolger] Re: re;into the deep blue
"patrick crockett" <pcrocket-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2659
home throughout the summer months up here in Montreal with my
girlfriend.Like so many different boats with"unfamiliar"rigs,I did have
to allow myself the private pleasure of discovering its virtues and
limits.This,of course,is best accomplished through lots of sailing ;)
and once well in hand,the boat handled as well as any other!
There were many Elver builders at that time(1985)who had"modified"
their Elvers and subsequently reported in the Elver Newsletter drab
sailing performance.On one occassion,the designer Steve Redmond,visited
one of these unhappy campers only to discover that the modifications
were extensive to the point of almost ludicrous and refused to have
anything further to do with those who complained about the boats
sailing performance.One fellow up here in the Montreal region went so
far as to attempt a schooner rig!!!Needless to say,he was soon on the
band wagon of disgruntled owner/builders.
If you do plan to proceed with the building of one,get a
knowledgeable sailmaker to do your sails......this will go a long way
toward ensuring good performance and stick as close to the plans as
your good judgement allows.You will then have few unpleasent surprises
but many happy memories!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,watching the snow fall,through frosted windows,with a
warm coffee in hand,on the frozen banks of the St.Lawrence in
Montreal......
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2659
> Peter:years ago,
>
> I always sort of wanted an Elver (and almost bought one a couple
> but my wife talked me out of it). How did you like yours? How didit
> sail?I enjoyed my Elver immensely!I used it pretty much as a summer
>
> Patrick
> >multiply by $5.00(Canadian).With the three boats I already
> >built(Surf,Elver and Micro) it has come to within $100.00 of my
>
>Hello Patrick,
home throughout the summer months up here in Montreal with my
girlfriend.Like so many different boats with"unfamiliar"rigs,I did have
to allow myself the private pleasure of discovering its virtues and
limits.This,of course,is best accomplished through lots of sailing ;)
and once well in hand,the boat handled as well as any other!
There were many Elver builders at that time(1985)who had"modified"
their Elvers and subsequently reported in the Elver Newsletter drab
sailing performance.On one occassion,the designer Steve Redmond,visited
one of these unhappy campers only to discover that the modifications
were extensive to the point of almost ludicrous and refused to have
anything further to do with those who complained about the boats
sailing performance.One fellow up here in the Montreal region went so
far as to attempt a schooner rig!!!Needless to say,he was soon on the
band wagon of disgruntled owner/builders.
If you do plan to proceed with the building of one,get a
knowledgeable sailmaker to do your sails......this will go a long way
toward ensuring good performance and stick as close to the plans as
your good judgement allows.You will then have few unpleasent surprises
but many happy memories!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,watching the snow fall,through frosted windows,with a
warm coffee in hand,on the frozen banks of the St.Lawrence in
Montreal......
Peter:
I always sort of wanted an Elver (and almost bought one a couple years ago,
but my wife talked me out of it). How did you like yours? How did it
sail?
Patrick
I always sort of wanted an Elver (and almost bought one a couple years ago,
but my wife talked me out of it). How did you like yours? How did it
sail?
Patrick
>multiply by $5.00(Canadian).With the three boats I already
>built(Surf,Elver and Micro) it has come to within $100.00 of my
>David(of the crumbling empire),This brings the Seabird in at about $20,000 Canadian, about
> It has been my experience up here in Montreal that the
>closest/best way to calculate how much a boat is going to cost me to
>build is this;take the total weight of the boat(displacement) and
>multiply by $5.00(Canadian).
$12,000US. I haven't run my X4 calculation yet, but I suspect it's in
that range. That's a pretty good budget for going out and buying a 28
foot boat.
OTH, there is (for me, at least) real value in both the building, and
the sailing of one's own boat. My "circumnavigation of Montauk Point"
in lil' winnie is not the stupidest or most exciting thing I've done
in the ocean, but doing it in a boat I BUILT MY SELF made it one of
the best experiences I've had on the water ever. If it cost me
$12,000 instead of $6,000 to cross an ocean in a boat of my own
making vs. one I bought, I think it would be worth the difference
(if I had it.)
For the time being, this is all idle/beer fueled speculation.
Although I feel there are virtually no conditions I wouldn't enjoy in
the littoral zone be it in a boat, on a board, or just my swim fins;
my offshore experience is limited to 2 day runs out looking for tuna,
swordfish, or rockcod in Southern California. Even 60 miles out,
you're still well within help; and the weather just doesn't get that
bad there.
Still, the wife is totally supportive. All she asks is that I come
back alive. No nagging questions about how much it would cost, how
long would I be gone, etc.
More research is definitely in order!
YIBB,
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
David(of the crumbling empire),
It has been my experience up here in Montreal that the
closest/best way to calculate how much a boat is going to cost me to
build is this;take the total weight of the boat(displacement) and
multiply by $5.00(Canadian).With the three boats I already
built(Surf,Elver and Micro) it has come to within $100.00 of my
original calculation,without skimping on quality materials.
Considering how pathetically weak the Canadian dollar is relative
to the U.S buck,you may be able to divide this figure by
2................
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,slowly losing sensation in his toes,on the still frozen
banks of the St.Lawrence,a wee bit North of you guys..........
It has been my experience up here in Montreal that the
closest/best way to calculate how much a boat is going to cost me to
build is this;take the total weight of the boat(displacement) and
multiply by $5.00(Canadian).With the three boats I already
built(Surf,Elver and Micro) it has come to within $100.00 of my
original calculation,without skimping on quality materials.
Considering how pathetically weak the Canadian dollar is relative
to the U.S buck,you may be able to divide this figure by
2................
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,slowly losing sensation in his toes,on the still frozen
banks of the St.Lawrence,a wee bit North of you guys..........