Re: Chebacco icebreaker!
A lot depends on whether salt- or fresh-water ice.
We get both. Sometimes hard fresh-water floes come down the river,
and get frozen into a matrix of soft salt ice (especially nasty in
spring, or after a CG icebreaker goes up-river). It's a matter of
dodging the nasty stuff. Look for natural breaks, and push the floes
over (or under) each other to clear a channel.
But, ice can be terribly sharp and destructive. I count on major
repairs after any run-ins with significant ice - glass-epoxy
sheathing cut through to plywood, nicked propeller, etc. We use a
seriously reinforced work skiff in the winter. Just add a couple
layers of glass to repair.
A few years ago, my wife and I, headed out to the island, got stuck
in the snow about 1/2 mile from the boat, and had to lug our gear
(including too many bottles of wine - couldn't leave it in the car to
freeze!) down to the water. By the time we got there, it was pretty
dark, so we flipped the skiff upright, attached motor, dragged it
down to the water, and pushed it over a crusty bank that had formed
on the shore, to hear "thunk" as it landed on the bay...
On the other hand, there's nothing as pretty as the reflections and
light of a bay, at dusk, just as it starts to gel into ice. Takes
only a few minutes.
Curtis (now making plans for a February boating vacation in Maine:-)
---Harry James wrote:
We get both. Sometimes hard fresh-water floes come down the river,
and get frozen into a matrix of soft salt ice (especially nasty in
spring, or after a CG icebreaker goes up-river). It's a matter of
dodging the nasty stuff. Look for natural breaks, and push the floes
over (or under) each other to clear a channel.
But, ice can be terribly sharp and destructive. I count on major
repairs after any run-ins with significant ice - glass-epoxy
sheathing cut through to plywood, nicked propeller, etc. We use a
seriously reinforced work skiff in the winter. Just add a couple
layers of glass to repair.
A few years ago, my wife and I, headed out to the island, got stuck
in the snow about 1/2 mile from the boat, and had to lug our gear
(including too many bottles of wine - couldn't leave it in the car to
freeze!) down to the water. By the time we got there, it was pretty
dark, so we flipped the skiff upright, attached motor, dragged it
down to the water, and pushed it over a crusty bank that had formed
on the shore, to hear "thunk" as it landed on the bay...
On the other hand, there's nothing as pretty as the reflections and
light of a bay, at dusk, just as it starts to gel into ice. Takes
only a few minutes.
Curtis (now making plans for a February boating vacation in Maine:-)
---Harry James wrote:
> It is probably what happened, Ice really isn't that sharp unless itit
> really cold. I have only had damage done once to a hull by it andthat was to
> a boat anchored out in a good tide way. I believe it was blunttrauma rather
> than cutting.fish in
>
> You can make your way through quite thick ice, I used to herring
> Norton Sound every spring and I have broken through some large pansof ocean
> ice in a boat with 3/8th's plywood sides and 1/2 in bottom. Youease up to
> it, power on up and let the weight of the boat break through.caught
>
> Spring time is the best time to mess with ice. You don't want to be
> way up the river in the fall as the pan ice is forming in theriver.
> Freeze up can happen in a matter of hours.
>
> HJ
It is probably what happened, Ice really isn't that sharp unless it it
really cold. I have only had damage done once to a hull by it and that was to
a boat anchored out in a good tide way. I believe it was blunt trauma rather
than cutting.
You can make your way through quite thick ice, I used to herring fish in
Norton Sound every spring and I have broken through some large pans of ocean
ice in a boat with 3/8th's plywood sides and 1/2 in bottom. You ease up to
it, power on up and let the weight of the boat break through.
Spring time is the best time to mess with ice. You don't want to be caught
way up the river in the fall as the pan ice is forming in the river.
Freeze up can happen in a matter of hours.
HJ
really cold. I have only had damage done once to a hull by it and that was to
a boat anchored out in a good tide way. I believe it was blunt trauma rather
than cutting.
You can make your way through quite thick ice, I used to herring fish in
Norton Sound every spring and I have broken through some large pans of ocean
ice in a boat with 3/8th's plywood sides and 1/2 in bottom. You ease up to
it, power on up and let the weight of the boat break through.
Spring time is the best time to mess with ice. You don't want to be caught
way up the river in the fall as the pan ice is forming in the river.
Freeze up can happen in a matter of hours.
HJ
> I have a theory. What makes ice slick, ice skates are used as an example of
> this, is a layer of water that forms under the pressure of the skate, that
> acts as a lubricant.
>
> I theorize that is what happened with us. We were close the the freezing
> point (or the ice would have been thicker), and the pressure of the warm
> hull caused the ice touching it to form a thin layer of water that kept it
> from scratching the paint.
>
> A perfectly good theory, but of course someone here is going to shoot it
> down.
> <grin>
>
>.
Had our kids breaking the ice on the beaver pond in an ABS canoe this Sat. Must have been the thing to do that day . Amazing how many ice chunks they can collect in the boat. Interesting having to poke a hole for each paddle stroke. And yes I was thinking about how well a Hawkeye would have handled it. (Bolger topic included.)
-- Original Message -----
From: Richard Spelling
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Pat English ; David Lewis ; Tom Cole
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Chebacco icebreaker!
Sam, shall we dub Jan 25, 2003 "Icebreaker Saturday"?
:-)
-- Original Message -----
From: Richard Spelling
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Pat English ; David Lewis ; Tom Cole
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Chebacco icebreaker!
Sam, shall we dub Jan 25, 2003 "Icebreaker Saturday"?
:-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Glasscock" <glasscocklanding@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Chebacco icebreaker!
> Wow! It must be karma. I put my Topaz Spat in
> Saturday afternoon on the Broadkill river in southern
> Delaware. Beautiful afternoon, low thirties, maybe 45
> inside the greenhouse cabin. Lots of ice along the
> banks, but a clear channel. Just a beautiful ride,
> blue sky, loads of ducks, river all to myself. I put
> in at high tide, went downstream a few miles, came
> around a bend, and the whole river was solid ice. I
> turned around, found the tide had started to run out
> hard and had pulled the ice into the river behind me,
> and that the the clear channel was just gone. I mean
> there was ice everywhere, riding toward me on a knot
> and a half of current, great big sheets about 1/2"
> thick. There was nothing to do but go into it, or
> freeze into the pack. At dead slow I was making about
> 2 knots headway over ground, and as the sun went down,
> the temperature dropped and the ice sheets began to
> freeze together. The ice make a ripping sound and
> when I hit the thicker pieces it made an awful
> tearing, crunching noise. I kept thinking of the
> Titanic and the ice ripping her steel plates.
> After about an hour I made the only landing
> between me and the ramp, still about four miles away.
> The place is a summer tourist camp, completely
> deserted in winter, run by a local farmer. I walked
> out to the road, about half a mile, and called my
> wife. I was damned glad to get off the boat. The
> funny thing is, the next day, when my wife and I went
> back to the landing, I had no scratches in the latex
> "deck" paint on my topsides. I had expected bear
> fiberglass, or worse. The farmer came down to see me
> off, and make sure I was up to no mischief. "You
> know," he said to my wife as I shoved off "its a damn'
> funny time to go for a boat ride."
> Sam
>
> --- Richard Spelling <richard@...> wrote:
> > Well, Schroedinger makes a fair ice breaker!
> >
> > A friend of mine came up for the weekend and wanted
> > to go sailing. We
> > launched at the local park, and as I'm backing the
> > boat away from the ramp I
> > idly wonder aloud what that yucky scum on the still
> > water is.
> >
> > "Oh, that's ice." He says:
> >
> > ICE!
> >
> > I do a quick 180, NO WAY I'm hitting that with the
> > stern and the motor. Hmm,
> > there is no way to get out of the launch ramp area
> > to the rest of the lake!
> >
> > Nothing for it but to put the keel armor to the
> > test. Head for what I hope
> > is thin ice at about half throttle, open ice-free
> > water being about 1/4 mile
> > away.
> >
> > Crunnnnnnnccccccchhhhh. Well, I have to tell you,
> > driving a boat through
> > 1/2" thick ice for 1/4" of a mile sure makes you
> > worry about your paint.
> >
> > And, when we came back from sailing, we had to do it
> > all over again!
> >
> > Interstingly, there was not a single scratch in the
> > paint after the ordeal!
> > Says a lot about the $2.88 a gallon "deck paint" the
> > boat is coated with!
> >
> > The hell of it is, I forgot the camera! Would have
> > made a nice article for
> > the webzine.
> >
> >
> > Chebacco Richard -http://www.chebacco.com
> >http://www.richardspelling.com
> >
> >
>
>
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I have a theory. What makes ice slick, ice skates are used as an example of
this, is a layer of water that forms under the pressure of the skate, that
acts as a lubricant.
I theorize that is what happened with us. We were close the the freezing
point (or the ice would have been thicker), and the pressure of the warm
hull caused the ice touching it to form a thin layer of water that kept it
from scratching the paint.
A perfectly good theory, but of course someone here is going to shoot it
down.
<grin>
this, is a layer of water that forms under the pressure of the skate, that
acts as a lubricant.
I theorize that is what happened with us. We were close the the freezing
point (or the ice would have been thicker), and the pressure of the warm
hull caused the ice touching it to form a thin layer of water that kept it
from scratching the paint.
A perfectly good theory, but of course someone here is going to shoot it
down.
<grin>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Glasscock" <glasscocklanding@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Chebacco icebreaker!
> Perfect. That, or National Deck Paint Appreciation
> Day. Sam
> --- Richard Spelling <richard@...> wrote:
> > Sam, shall we dub Jan 25, 2003 "Icebreaker
> > Saturday"?
> > :-)
> >
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Glasscock" <glasscocklanding@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Chebacco icebreaker!
> Wow! It must be karma. I put my Topaz Spat in
> Saturday afternoon on the Broadkill river in southern
> Delaware. Beautiful afternoon, low thirties, maybe 45
> inside the greenhouse cabin. Lots of ice along the
> banks, but a clear channel. Just a beautiful ride,
> blue sky, loads of ducks, river all to myself. I put
> in at high tide, went downstream a few miles, came
> around a bend, and the whole river was solid ice. I
> turned around, found the tide had started to run out
> hard and had pulled the ice into the river behind me,
> and that the the clear channel was just gone. I mean
> there was ice everywhere, riding toward me on a knot
> and a half of current, great big sheets about 1/2"
> thick. There was nothing to do but go into it, or
> freeze into the pack. At dead slow I was making about
> 2 knots headway over ground, and as the sun went down,
> the temperature dropped and the ice sheets began to
> freeze together. The ice make a ripping sound and
> when I hit the thicker pieces it made an awful
> tearing, crunching noise. I kept thinking of the
> Titanic and the ice ripping her steel plates.
> After about an hour I made the only landing
> between me and the ramp, still about four miles away.
> The place is a summer tourist camp, completely
> deserted in winter, run by a local farmer. I walked
> out to the road, about half a mile, and called my
> wife. I was damned glad to get off the boat. The
> funny thing is, the next day, when my wife and I went
> back to the landing, I had no scratches in the latex
> "deck" paint on my topsides. I had expected bear
> fiberglass, or worse. The farmer came down to see me
> off, and make sure I was up to no mischief. "You
> know," he said to my wife as I shoved off "its a damn'
> funny time to go for a boat ride."
> Sam
>
> --- Richard Spelling <richard@...> wrote:
> > Well, Schroedinger makes a fair ice breaker!
> >
> > A friend of mine came up for the weekend and wanted
> > to go sailing. We
> > launched at the local park, and as I'm backing the
> > boat away from the ramp I
> > idly wonder aloud what that yucky scum on the still
> > water is.
> >
> > "Oh, that's ice." He says:
> >
> > ICE!
> >
> > I do a quick 180, NO WAY I'm hitting that with the
> > stern and the motor. Hmm,
> > there is no way to get out of the launch ramp area
> > to the rest of the lake!
> >
> > Nothing for it but to put the keel armor to the
> > test. Head for what I hope
> > is thin ice at about half throttle, open ice-free
> > water being about 1/4 mile
> > away.
> >
> > Crunnnnnnnccccccchhhhh. Well, I have to tell you,
> > driving a boat through
> > 1/2" thick ice for 1/4" of a mile sure makes you
> > worry about your paint.
> >
> > And, when we came back from sailing, we had to do it
> > all over again!
> >
> > Interstingly, there was not a single scratch in the
> > paint after the ordeal!
> > Says a lot about the $2.88 a gallon "deck paint" the
> > boat is coated with!
> >
> > The hell of it is, I forgot the camera! Would have
> > made a nice article for
> > the webzine.
> >
> >
> > Chebacco Richard -http://www.chebacco.com
> >http://www.richardspelling.com
> >
> >
>
>
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Wow! It must be karma. I put my Topaz Spat in
Saturday afternoon on the Broadkill river in southern
Delaware. Beautiful afternoon, low thirties, maybe 45
inside the greenhouse cabin. Lots of ice along the
banks, but a clear channel. Just a beautiful ride,
blue sky, loads of ducks, river all to myself. I put
in at high tide, went downstream a few miles, came
around a bend, and the whole river was solid ice. I
turned around, found the tide had started to run out
hard and had pulled the ice into the river behind me,
and that the the clear channel was just gone. I mean
there was ice everywhere, riding toward me on a knot
and a half of current, great big sheets about 1/2"
thick. There was nothing to do but go into it, or
freeze into the pack. At dead slow I was making about
2 knots headway over ground, and as the sun went down,
the temperature dropped and the ice sheets began to
freeze together. The ice make a ripping sound and
when I hit the thicker pieces it made an awful
tearing, crunching noise. I kept thinking of the
Titanic and the ice ripping her steel plates.
After about an hour I made the only landing
between me and the ramp, still about four miles away.
The place is a summer tourist camp, completely
deserted in winter, run by a local farmer. I walked
out to the road, about half a mile, and called my
wife. I was damned glad to get off the boat. The
funny thing is, the next day, when my wife and I went
back to the landing, I had no scratches in the latex
"deck" paint on my topsides. I had expected bear
fiberglass, or worse. The farmer came down to see me
off, and make sure I was up to no mischief. "You
know," he said to my wife as I shoved off "its a damn'
funny time to go for a boat ride."
Sam
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Saturday afternoon on the Broadkill river in southern
Delaware. Beautiful afternoon, low thirties, maybe 45
inside the greenhouse cabin. Lots of ice along the
banks, but a clear channel. Just a beautiful ride,
blue sky, loads of ducks, river all to myself. I put
in at high tide, went downstream a few miles, came
around a bend, and the whole river was solid ice. I
turned around, found the tide had started to run out
hard and had pulled the ice into the river behind me,
and that the the clear channel was just gone. I mean
there was ice everywhere, riding toward me on a knot
and a half of current, great big sheets about 1/2"
thick. There was nothing to do but go into it, or
freeze into the pack. At dead slow I was making about
2 knots headway over ground, and as the sun went down,
the temperature dropped and the ice sheets began to
freeze together. The ice make a ripping sound and
when I hit the thicker pieces it made an awful
tearing, crunching noise. I kept thinking of the
Titanic and the ice ripping her steel plates.
After about an hour I made the only landing
between me and the ramp, still about four miles away.
The place is a summer tourist camp, completely
deserted in winter, run by a local farmer. I walked
out to the road, about half a mile, and called my
wife. I was damned glad to get off the boat. The
funny thing is, the next day, when my wife and I went
back to the landing, I had no scratches in the latex
"deck" paint on my topsides. I had expected bear
fiberglass, or worse. The farmer came down to see me
off, and make sure I was up to no mischief. "You
know," he said to my wife as I shoved off "its a damn'
funny time to go for a boat ride."
Sam
--- Richard Spelling <richard@...> wrote:
> Well, Schroedinger makes a fair ice breaker!__________________________________________________
>
> A friend of mine came up for the weekend and wanted
> to go sailing. We
> launched at the local park, and as I'm backing the
> boat away from the ramp I
> idly wonder aloud what that yucky scum on the still
> water is.
>
> "Oh, that's ice." He says:
>
> ICE!
>
> I do a quick 180, NO WAY I'm hitting that with the
> stern and the motor. Hmm,
> there is no way to get out of the launch ramp area
> to the rest of the lake!
>
> Nothing for it but to put the keel armor to the
> test. Head for what I hope
> is thin ice at about half throttle, open ice-free
> water being about 1/4 mile
> away.
>
> Crunnnnnnnccccccchhhhh. Well, I have to tell you,
> driving a boat through
> 1/2" thick ice for 1/4" of a mile sure makes you
> worry about your paint.
>
> And, when we came back from sailing, we had to do it
> all over again!
>
> Interstingly, there was not a single scratch in the
> paint after the ordeal!
> Says a lot about the $2.88 a gallon "deck paint" the
> boat is coated with!
>
> The hell of it is, I forgot the camera! Would have
> made a nice article for
> the webzine.
>
>
> Chebacco Richard -http://www.chebacco.com
>http://www.richardspelling.com
>
>
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Well, Schroedinger makes a fair ice breaker!
A friend of mine came up for the weekend and wanted to go sailing. We
launched at the local park, and as I'm backing the boat away from the ramp I
idly wonder aloud what that yucky scum on the still water is.
"Oh, that's ice." He says:
ICE!
I do a quick 180, NO WAY I'm hitting that with the stern and the motor. Hmm,
there is no way to get out of the launch ramp area to the rest of the lake!
Nothing for it but to put the keel armor to the test. Head for what I hope
is thin ice at about half throttle, open ice-free water being about 1/4 mile
away.
Crunnnnnnnccccccchhhhh. Well, I have to tell you, driving a boat through
1/2" thick ice for 1/4" of a mile sure makes you worry about your paint.
And, when we came back from sailing, we had to do it all over again!
Interstingly, there was not a single scratch in the paint after the ordeal!
Says a lot about the $2.88 a gallon "deck paint" the boat is coated with!
The hell of it is, I forgot the camera! Would have made a nice article for
the webzine.
Chebacco Richard -http://www.chebacco.comhttp://www.richardspelling.com
A friend of mine came up for the weekend and wanted to go sailing. We
launched at the local park, and as I'm backing the boat away from the ramp I
idly wonder aloud what that yucky scum on the still water is.
"Oh, that's ice." He says:
ICE!
I do a quick 180, NO WAY I'm hitting that with the stern and the motor. Hmm,
there is no way to get out of the launch ramp area to the rest of the lake!
Nothing for it but to put the keel armor to the test. Head for what I hope
is thin ice at about half throttle, open ice-free water being about 1/4 mile
away.
Crunnnnnnnccccccchhhhh. Well, I have to tell you, driving a boat through
1/2" thick ice for 1/4" of a mile sure makes you worry about your paint.
And, when we came back from sailing, we had to do it all over again!
Interstingly, there was not a single scratch in the paint after the ordeal!
Says a lot about the $2.88 a gallon "deck paint" the boat is coated with!
The hell of it is, I forgot the camera! Would have made a nice article for
the webzine.
Chebacco Richard -http://www.chebacco.comhttp://www.richardspelling.com