Re: [bolger] Re: Digest Number 1408

No. Do like I did on old truck corner windows. Put silicon on. Cover windows
with plastic wrap. Close windows and let cure. Open and pull of wrap.

Everybody thinks they are glued shut!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Blunck" <boatbuilding@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Digest Number 1408


>
> > I made a couple of hatch covers that are weather and spray proof. I
> > never bothered to add the rubber gaskets since they work so well
> > without, but with gaskets, they would be very close to waterproof, if
> > not 100%.
>
> One way to make a simple water proof hatch seal is to run a 1/4" bead or
so
> of silicone around the inside of the lid where it rest on top of the hatch
> frame. Let it setup up until almost firm and no longer tacky to the
touch.
> Gently lay the lid down on the hatch frame and LIGHTLY press in to place
> then immediately lift off and let it cure fully. Essentially you've just
> made a custom seal for your hatch that is water proof. I usually have a
> couple scraps of wood laying around to make beads on at the same time to
> test prior to fitting the lid. The key is to let the silcon set up enough
> so it doesn't stick to the hatch frame but still soft enough to mold.
>
> Depending on the type used it takes about 20 to 30 minutes to setup before
> molding and overnight to fully cure. I have the best success with pure
> silicone sealant for Aquariums. $4.00 will make a lot of hatch seals.
>
> Jeff
>
>
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> I made a couple of hatch covers that are weather and spray proof. I
> never bothered to add the rubber gaskets since they work so well
> without, but with gaskets, they would be very close to waterproof, if
> not 100%.

One way to make a simple water proof hatch seal is to run a 1/4" bead or so
of silicone around the inside of the lid where it rest on top of the hatch
frame. Let it setup up until almost firm and no longer tacky to the touch.
Gently lay the lid down on the hatch frame and LIGHTLY press in to place
then immediately lift off and let it cure fully. Essentially you've just
made a custom seal for your hatch that is water proof. I usually have a
couple scraps of wood laying around to make beads on at the same time to
test prior to fitting the lid. The key is to let the silcon set up enough
so it doesn't stick to the hatch frame but still soft enough to mold.

Depending on the type used it takes about 20 to 30 minutes to setup before
molding and overnight to fully cure. I have the best success with pure
silicone sealant for Aquariums. $4.00 will make a lot of hatch seals.

Jeff
I made a couple of hatch covers that are weather and spray proof. I
never bothered to add the rubber gaskets since they work so well
without, but with gaskets, they would be very close to waterproof, if
not 100%.

I made about a one inch rim around the opening, with a box top type
lid that fits closely around and over the rim -- the lid has a one
inch rim that overlaps the first one. A couple of webbing straps
cross the top, fastened with delrin buckles. I looked over a number
of kayak hatch designs, and stole their ideas -- you could probably
find plenty on the web, you could start with CLC.

Jamie Orr

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, William Feather
<williamfeather10@y...> wrote:
>
> hello- I've been working on a water tight hatch in plywood and
can't seem to find the hardware to make it work. anybody out there
that has a plywood weather tight hatch system? i really don't want to
put a plastic hatch in my Diablo. Any feed back from my Brother Phil
Bolger's would be much appriaciated
>bolger@yahoogroups.comwrote:Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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> There are 3 messages in this issue.
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> Topics in this digest:
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> 1. Re: Motor vs. Sail
> From: "timothyennuinet "
> 2. Re: Motor vs. Sail
> From: "proaconstrictor
> "
>
> 3. It has been a long time...
> From: "Giuseppe Pippo Bianco
> "
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 05:49:45 -0000
> From: "timothyennuinet "
> Subject: Re: Motor vs. Sail
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "robby plunkett"
> wrote:
> > i'd go for the motorsailer. it may not be the best of either but
it
> is more
> > versatile.
>
> Ok.. Ill toss two cents in, considering I am having problems getting
> to sleep :)
>
> I think the idea that a motorboat and a sailboat being opposite is
not
> entirely accurate. It is easy for us to put them on two sides of
some
> sort of spectrum, and easy to talk about hull forms, stability
curves,
> etc. But really, I think there is room for a different
interpretation.
>
> A Motorsailer could be built that performed almost as well as a
> sailboat of similiar configuration, and almost as well as a
motorboat
> in the same vein. You just have to get over the normal way of
thinking
> about it. Once you get into slightly oversized, deck hinged masts
you
> can reduce windage a great deal by dropping the masts if you need
pure
> power into a blow. But, if you overcanvas a bit, you can get enough
up
> there to overcome the xtra weight of fuel and the larger motor. Will
> she point with a racer? Not on your life! But I'd bet that you won't
> mind motoring up into the wind with 80 horses under your feet.
>
> And sails really have the potential to help out a motorboat. You
get a
> great deal of steadying, as well as xtra miles made good out of a
> decent set of working sails. And an absolutely foolproof 'get home'
> system. So why the heck do you rarely see sails on long range
powerboats?
>
> Honestly, the only reason I can think of is fashion. I really don't
> like the Nordhaven style of thinking.. big fat boats that burn huge
> amounts of fuel. Add on active stabilizers for even more fuel burn.
> No, Ill take a slim profile, easy pushing hull shape and a sail or
two
> anyday I think. Heck, why not SAIL the thing once in awhile for some
> peace and quiet? :)
>
> --T
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 06:14:58 -0000
> From: "proaconstrictor
> "
>
> Subject: Re: Motor vs. Sail
>
>
> >
> > I think the idea that a motorboat and a sailboat being opposite
is
> not
> > entirely accurate. It is easy for us to put them on two sides of
> some
> > sort of spectrum, and easy to talk about hull forms, stability
> curves,
> > etc. But really, I think there is room for a different
> interpretation.
> >
>
> I think multihulls actualy have this happening, though to get it
> happening so that you have something like a transformer is perhaps
a
> little more challenging. Low resistance makes it possible to use a
> small motor, which isn't a drag during sailing. There are a number
> of tris that can be configured with just a change in floats to go
> right down to canal size, motor accross the pacific, or sail around
> the worlds at speed. You can get that in something other than a
> multihull, but you can't get it in 3-4000 pounds, with the building
> that implies.
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:53:33 -0000
> From: "Giuseppe Pippo Bianco
> "
>
> Subject: It has been a long time...
>
> Hiya everybody. How's everything?
> I've been nostalgically visiting this forum quite constantly,
without
> posting though. I've seen a whole bunch of new Micros in the water
> (congratulations to all, and in particular to David Jost for his
> beautiful Firefly: you did it!). Ah, memories...
> I'm still building my non-Bolger boat (the CK17 by bateau.com) and
> I'm making good progress on it while it's not showing up on my web
> site which I haven't updated since one year...
> Anyway, I'm more and more intrigued with the sharpie concept and of
> course, while still working on my little boat which I WILL launch
> next summer, I'm dreaming about the next one which could well be a
> bigger sharpie.
> Dreams of grandeur apart (read: a NIS 31') I'm considering Reul
> Parker's Egret, which is so beautiful, as well as Bolger's Black
> Skimmer, which PCB himself considers able to sail circles around
the
> former.
> Anybody here as an unused set of Black Skimmer plans to trade with
an
> unused set of Micro, Long Micro or Bobcat (I'll keep the Chebacco
> plans)?
> Cheers everybody
>
> Pippo
>
>
>
>
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I wouldn't call it watertight, but you might like to see the fore
hatch I made on my Diablo out of plywood and a set of brass hinges.

Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
Click on Diablo in the address bar.
hello- I've been working on a water tight hatch in plywood and can't seem to find the hardware to make it work. anybody out there that has a plywood weather tight hatch system? i really don't want to put a plastic hatch in my Diablo. Any feed back from my Brother Phil Bolger's would be much appriaciated
bolger@yahoogroups.comwrote:Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
- Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
- Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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There are 3 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Motor vs. Sail
From: "timothyennuinet "
2. Re: Motor vs. Sail
From: "proaconstrictor
"

3. It has been a long time...
From: "Giuseppe Pippo Bianco
"



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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 05:49:45 -0000
From: "timothyennuinet "
Subject: Re: Motor vs. Sail

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "robby plunkett"
wrote:
> i'd go for the motorsailer. it may not be the best of either but it
is more
> versatile.

Ok.. Ill toss two cents in, considering I am having problems getting
to sleep :)

I think the idea that a motorboat and a sailboat being opposite is not
entirely accurate. It is easy for us to put them on two sides of some
sort of spectrum, and easy to talk about hull forms, stability curves,
etc. But really, I think there is room for a different interpretation.

A Motorsailer could be built that performed almost as well as a
sailboat of similiar configuration, and almost as well as a motorboat
in the same vein. You just have to get over the normal way of thinking
about it. Once you get into slightly oversized, deck hinged masts you
can reduce windage a great deal by dropping the masts if you need pure
power into a blow. But, if you overcanvas a bit, you can get enough up
there to overcome the xtra weight of fuel and the larger motor. Will
she point with a racer? Not on your life! But I'd bet that you won't
mind motoring up into the wind with 80 horses under your feet.

And sails really have the potential to help out a motorboat. You get a
great deal of steadying, as well as xtra miles made good out of a
decent set of working sails. And an absolutely foolproof 'get home'
system. So why the heck do you rarely see sails on long range powerboats?

Honestly, the only reason I can think of is fashion. I really don't
like the Nordhaven style of thinking.. big fat boats that burn huge
amounts of fuel. Add on active stabilizers for even more fuel burn.
No, Ill take a slim profile, easy pushing hull shape and a sail or two
anyday I think. Heck, why not SAIL the thing once in awhile for some
peace and quiet? :)

--T






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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 06:14:58 -0000
From: "proaconstrictor
"

Subject: Re: Motor vs. Sail


>
> I think the idea that a motorboat and a sailboat being opposite is
not
> entirely accurate. It is easy for us to put them on two sides of
some
> sort of spectrum, and easy to talk about hull forms, stability
curves,
> etc. But really, I think there is room for a different
interpretation.
>

I think multihulls actualy have this happening, though to get it
happening so that you have something like a transformer is perhaps a
little more challenging. Low resistance makes it possible to use a
small motor, which isn't a drag during sailing. There are a number
of tris that can be configured with just a change in floats to go
right down to canal size, motor accross the pacific, or sail around
the worlds at speed. You can get that in something other than a
multihull, but you can't get it in 3-4000 pounds, with the building
that implies.



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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:53:33 -0000
From: "Giuseppe Pippo Bianco
"

Subject: It has been a long time...

Hiya everybody. How's everything?
I've been nostalgically visiting this forum quite constantly, without
posting though. I've seen a whole bunch of new Micros in the water
(congratulations to all, and in particular to David Jost for his
beautiful Firefly: you did it!). Ah, memories...
I'm still building my non-Bolger boat (the CK17 by bateau.com) and
I'm making good progress on it while it's not showing up on my web
site which I haven't updated since one year...
Anyway, I'm more and more intrigued with the sharpie concept and of
course, while still working on my little boat which I WILL launch
next summer, I'm dreaming about the next one which could well be a
bigger sharpie.
Dreams of grandeur apart (read: a NIS 31') I'm considering Reul
Parker's Egret, which is so beautiful, as well as Bolger's Black
Skimmer, which PCB himself considers able to sail circles around the
former.
Anybody here as an unused set of Black Skimmer plans to trade with an
unused set of Micro, Long Micro or Bobcat (I'll keep the Chebacco
plans)?
Cheers everybody

Pippo



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