Re: Common Sense Designs
If you buy them from Bolger they cost 65.00,Are they not the same
plans that Payson sells?
plans that Payson sells?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> >I noticed that you can also buy those plans from Payson.He gets 35.00
> >for the set.I get my plans pretty fast from Payson.
>
> Plus everything I've ordered from Payson has come with a little
> inscription or note. Nice touch.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
> --
>
> C.E.P.
> 415 W.46th Street
> New York, New York 10036
>http://www.crumblingempire.com
> Mobile (646) 325-8325
> Office (212) 247-0296
>I noticed that you can also buy those plans from Payson.He gets 35.00Plus everything I've ordered from Payson has come with a little
>for the set.I get my plans pretty fast from Payson.
inscription or note. Nice touch.
YIBB,
David
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New York, New York 10036
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Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
I noticed that you can also buy those plans from Payson.He gets 35.00
for the set.I get my plans pretty fast from Payson.
Mike
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@h...>"
<bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
for the set.I get my plans pretty fast from Payson.
Mike
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@h...>"
<bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
> Wow, my Big Dory plans finally arrived yesterday from Common Sense
> Designs. I ordered in June, they cashed the cheque in July and made
> excuses til now. Nice dory, I think I cobble one together with my
> particular work boat finish. Gerry Estes has seen fit to put a
> big "copywright to CSB" stamp on the rather poor photo copies, while
> leaving PB&F's designer info on the lower right corner of each sheet.
> Hmmmm.
>
> Still, she looks like she'll be a fine littlew, er...big, row boat.
> At 20' she's too big to car top, but it'll look awful cool rowing
> around the harbour.
>
> Bruce Hector
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@h...>"
<bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
Claus
<bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
> Wow, my Big Dory plans finally arrived yesterday from Common Sensemade
> Designs. I ordered in June, they cashed the cheque in July and
> excuses til now. Nice dory, I think I cobble one together with mywhile
> particular work boat finish. Gerry Estes has seen fit to put a
> big "copywright to CSB" stamp on the rather poor photo copies,
> leaving PB&F's designer info on the lower right corner of eachsheet.
> Hmmmm.boat.
>
> Still, she looks like she'll be a fine littlew, er...big, row
> At 20' she's too big to car top, but it'll look awful cool rowingI got my plans in a very few days (europe) from CSD.
> around the harbour.
>
> Bruce Hector
Claus
Wow, my Big Dory plans finally arrived yesterday from Common Sense
Designs. I ordered in June, they cashed the cheque in July and made
excuses til now. Nice dory, I think I cobble one together with my
particular work boat finish. Gerry Estes has seen fit to put a
big "copywright to CSB" stamp on the rather poor photo copies, while
leaving PB&F's designer info on the lower right corner of each sheet.
Hmmmm.
Still, she looks like she'll be a fine littlew, er...big, row boat.
At 20' she's too big to car top, but it'll look awful cool rowing
around the harbour.
Bruce Hector
Designs. I ordered in June, they cashed the cheque in July and made
excuses til now. Nice dory, I think I cobble one together with my
particular work boat finish. Gerry Estes has seen fit to put a
big "copywright to CSB" stamp on the rather poor photo copies, while
leaving PB&F's designer info on the lower right corner of each sheet.
Hmmmm.
Still, she looks like she'll be a fine littlew, er...big, row boat.
At 20' she's too big to car top, but it'll look awful cool rowing
around the harbour.
Bruce Hector
Thanks for the info.
I ordered Brick plans in July. Emails got no response
except once I was told they would be mailed the next
day. That was about 2 months ago.
The charge went through on my credit card but no plans
came. Phone calls were never answered.
I will notify the Oregon Attorney General.
Tanks again.
John Heemer
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I ordered Brick plans in July. Emails got no response
except once I was told they would be mailed the next
day. That was about 2 months ago.
The charge went through on my credit card but no plans
came. Phone calls were never answered.
I will notify the Oregon Attorney General.
Tanks again.
John Heemer
--- james_stytle <jstytle@...> wrote:
> On September 20th, I posted the problems I was__________________________________________________
> having with this
> company (no response to my questions about the
> status of my order).
> I quickly learned that I was not the only one who
> was having
> problems.
>
> Over a month has passed, and still no response. I
> left messages by
> telephone and e-mail. I tried fax, but the number
> seems not to be
> connected to a fax machine. So, Tuesday I mailed a
> letter to the
> Oregon Attorney General. If anyone would like to do
> the same, the
> address is:
>
> Oregon Department of Justice
> 1162 Court Street Northeast
> Salem, Oregon 97301-4096
>
> James Stytle
>
>
>
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On September 20th, I posted the problems I was having with this
company (no response to my questions about the status of my order).
I quickly learned that I was not the only one who was having
problems.
Over a month has passed, and still no response. I left messages by
telephone and e-mail. I tried fax, but the number seems not to be
connected to a fax machine. So, Tuesday I mailed a letter to the
Oregon Attorney General. If anyone would like to do the same, the
address is:
Oregon Department of Justice
1162 Court Street Northeast
Salem, Oregon 97301-4096
James Stytle
company (no response to my questions about the status of my order).
I quickly learned that I was not the only one who was having
problems.
Over a month has passed, and still no response. I left messages by
telephone and e-mail. I tried fax, but the number seems not to be
connected to a fax machine. So, Tuesday I mailed a letter to the
Oregon Attorney General. If anyone would like to do the same, the
address is:
Oregon Department of Justice
1162 Court Street Northeast
Salem, Oregon 97301-4096
James Stytle
I made a
has ignored my calls and emails to straighten it out. I did get a
call through one time and got a story from the woman that answered -
"they couldn't send a refund at that time because they had a
computer virus". I guess I'm slow, but by the time I figured out I
was dealing with a dishonest person it was too late to refuse payment
through the credit card company.
Charles
> mistake by buying Bolger plans from CSB but I will never make thatI made that mistake too. He double billed me for the set of plans and
> mistake again. >
>
>
has ignored my calls and emails to straighten it out. I did get a
call through one time and got a story from the woman that answered -
"they couldn't send a refund at that time because they had a
computer virus". I guess I'm slow, but by the time I figured out I
was dealing with a dishonest person it was too late to refuse payment
through the credit card company.
Charles
And your credit card company.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mikestockstill" <mkstocks@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 7:13 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Common Sense Boats
>
> If you have problems with non-delivery of a product, consider
> contacting the better business bureau. If each of you who has had a
> problem does this, then maybe something will be done.
>
> My two cents....
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
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> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
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If you have problems with non-delivery of a product, consider
contacting the better business bureau. If each of you who has had a
problem does this, then maybe something will be done.
My two cents....
Mike
contacting the better business bureau. If each of you who has had a
problem does this, then maybe something will be done.
My two cents....
Mike
I want to be clear that I did not say Mr. Payson did not have rights
to sell Bolger plans.
Here is a post about Bolger's rights made by PB&F, it is post 1250
and can be found in the links section of this site posted by the
honorable Bruce Hallman. It states facts, intents and reasons for the
deception by CSD(CSB)and other entities who sell Bolger designs with
their own modifications. The post can say this faster and more
eloquently than I possibly ever could.
John
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/1250
From: "phil bolger" <pcb@s...>
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 3:56 am
Subject: [bolger] Rights and simplifying the world
Dept. Valiant Efforts:
Dear Pippo (since you asked), and all you folks who have taken it upon
themselves on the web to feed the 'Bolgeristi''s thirst for more
information, thanks for all that work. We hope you're having as much
fun as it looks. Good to see confirmed the spirit of voluntarism
helping out - at least until Bolger & F. get their own web-act
together...
Dept. 20/20 vision on 'RIGHTS':
Statement of Facts:
- WE HOLD THE INTELLECTUAL RIGHTS TO EVERY DESIGN/SET OF PLANS OF (-)
WE'VE EVER CONCOCTED.
- The late Elrow LaRowe commissioned a few designs to which he would
have the right to sell copies, but no exclusive rights. Part of the
agreement was for him to build a prototype to each design. That
responsibility was only partially met. Royalty payments were straight
though, as far as we remember.
- CSD (CSB?!) are the de facto successors to LaRowe with the right on
a
very few designs to sell - NON-EXCLUSIVELY -, assuming the already
minimal royalty payments are met, which has NOT been the case for
while.
- DUCKFLAT has in the past dealt with CSD in the fashion we've touched
on in earlier statements. We understand that they are selling
'versions' of our TENNESSEE and WYOMING designs. These versions are
NOT FROM US. They are NOT AUTHORIZED in any way. We draw no royalty
from them. And the name and creativity of Bolger are being 'taken for
a ride'- again. Since we will not pay for OUR plans, modified by
others, we'll likely never see how far they've gone to adulterate the
underlying concept of the two types. Is it ok. to do this? We don't
think we've never been asked!
Why are these people behaving this way? Your guess is as good as ours.
Phil has always been very generous and relaxed about making a hard
buck - look at the general design emphasis on
affordability/doability.
Writing for SMALL BOAT JOURNAL and now MESSING ABOUT speaks volumes.
Unfortunately, instead of enjoying this friendly approach to business
and respecting it for the sake of peaceful creativity - here and in
your shop -, above mentioned parties seem to have felt the urge to
'expand the envelope' even further, hoping, with some success, that at
least for a while we won't see the whole picture - nor the public for
that matter! The approach is short-sighted, has in its various
iterations deeply violated Phil's sensibilities, has cost serious
income, and has cost legal fees.
We trust that 'world-wide' transparency will reduce the likelihood of
this continuing to any serious degree.
Are respective parties unhappy about this transparency? Certainly.
Some of the responses have been quite memorable - to put a good spin
on
it... With few exceptions they have ranged from cheeky to absurd.
Some day we might share some 'golden chestnuts'!
We'd rather, there were no 'ugly under-belly' of respective
proceedings.
We all make mistakes, occasional errors in judgement. Fine. But if
their view of reality consistently clashes with facts and
responsibilities, it is worthy of note. If damaging behavior is done
with an air of apparent ease and self-styled matter of course, it gets
a bit much.
Nobody gets rich in this business - at least not yet... But if certain
broker's scheme is to make more from our labor than we'll ever do,
things get questionable.
We have spent endless time dealing with inquiries on plans of ours
bought elsewhere. We continue to have our name associated with
fourth-rate copies with our name on it. And,perhaps worst, is bad
counsel given to unsuspecting builders in respect to modification,
small to disastrous, causing ripples back to Gloucester - at least in
terms of yet another dumb bad boat out there, having often cost more
effort if not money than the good one... Having a Bolger boats on the
water that does not work well anymore is good for nobody. If we screw
up, we'll be quite upfront about it, as shown in print in the past.
But being associated with White Elephants is quite painful.
These brokers style of self-promotion using the name and work of
Bolger
should not be misunderstood by anyone out there as good for us at PB&F
or as being muc good to any boat builder. The less such distractions
we
have, the better for creativity and fun and games.
IMPORTANT NOTICE:
- THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANY QUESTION ABOUT Dynamite Payson's
INTEGRITY.
- THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANY QUESTION ABOUT WOODENBOAT's INTEGRITY.
To repeat:
We hold the intellectual right to every design we've ever concocted.
And nobody speaks for us. Nobody is authorized to speak for us.
Are we done with this subject of fundamentals ?! Is this a clean
slate?
to sell Bolger plans.
Here is a post about Bolger's rights made by PB&F, it is post 1250
and can be found in the links section of this site posted by the
honorable Bruce Hallman. It states facts, intents and reasons for the
deception by CSD(CSB)and other entities who sell Bolger designs with
their own modifications. The post can say this faster and more
eloquently than I possibly ever could.
John
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/1250
From: "phil bolger" <pcb@s...>
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 3:56 am
Subject: [bolger] Rights and simplifying the world
Dept. Valiant Efforts:
Dear Pippo (since you asked), and all you folks who have taken it upon
themselves on the web to feed the 'Bolgeristi''s thirst for more
information, thanks for all that work. We hope you're having as much
fun as it looks. Good to see confirmed the spirit of voluntarism
helping out - at least until Bolger & F. get their own web-act
together...
Dept. 20/20 vision on 'RIGHTS':
Statement of Facts:
- WE HOLD THE INTELLECTUAL RIGHTS TO EVERY DESIGN/SET OF PLANS OF (-)
WE'VE EVER CONCOCTED.
- The late Elrow LaRowe commissioned a few designs to which he would
have the right to sell copies, but no exclusive rights. Part of the
agreement was for him to build a prototype to each design. That
responsibility was only partially met. Royalty payments were straight
though, as far as we remember.
- CSD (CSB?!) are the de facto successors to LaRowe with the right on
a
very few designs to sell - NON-EXCLUSIVELY -, assuming the already
minimal royalty payments are met, which has NOT been the case for
while.
- DUCKFLAT has in the past dealt with CSD in the fashion we've touched
on in earlier statements. We understand that they are selling
'versions' of our TENNESSEE and WYOMING designs. These versions are
NOT FROM US. They are NOT AUTHORIZED in any way. We draw no royalty
from them. And the name and creativity of Bolger are being 'taken for
a ride'- again. Since we will not pay for OUR plans, modified by
others, we'll likely never see how far they've gone to adulterate the
underlying concept of the two types. Is it ok. to do this? We don't
think we've never been asked!
Why are these people behaving this way? Your guess is as good as ours.
Phil has always been very generous and relaxed about making a hard
buck - look at the general design emphasis on
affordability/doability.
Writing for SMALL BOAT JOURNAL and now MESSING ABOUT speaks volumes.
Unfortunately, instead of enjoying this friendly approach to business
and respecting it for the sake of peaceful creativity - here and in
your shop -, above mentioned parties seem to have felt the urge to
'expand the envelope' even further, hoping, with some success, that at
least for a while we won't see the whole picture - nor the public for
that matter! The approach is short-sighted, has in its various
iterations deeply violated Phil's sensibilities, has cost serious
income, and has cost legal fees.
We trust that 'world-wide' transparency will reduce the likelihood of
this continuing to any serious degree.
Are respective parties unhappy about this transparency? Certainly.
Some of the responses have been quite memorable - to put a good spin
on
it... With few exceptions they have ranged from cheeky to absurd.
Some day we might share some 'golden chestnuts'!
We'd rather, there were no 'ugly under-belly' of respective
proceedings.
We all make mistakes, occasional errors in judgement. Fine. But if
their view of reality consistently clashes with facts and
responsibilities, it is worthy of note. If damaging behavior is done
with an air of apparent ease and self-styled matter of course, it gets
a bit much.
Nobody gets rich in this business - at least not yet... But if certain
broker's scheme is to make more from our labor than we'll ever do,
things get questionable.
We have spent endless time dealing with inquiries on plans of ours
bought elsewhere. We continue to have our name associated with
fourth-rate copies with our name on it. And,perhaps worst, is bad
counsel given to unsuspecting builders in respect to modification,
small to disastrous, causing ripples back to Gloucester - at least in
terms of yet another dumb bad boat out there, having often cost more
effort if not money than the good one... Having a Bolger boats on the
water that does not work well anymore is good for nobody. If we screw
up, we'll be quite upfront about it, as shown in print in the past.
But being associated with White Elephants is quite painful.
These brokers style of self-promotion using the name and work of
Bolger
should not be misunderstood by anyone out there as good for us at PB&F
or as being muc good to any boat builder. The less such distractions
we
have, the better for creativity and fun and games.
IMPORTANT NOTICE:
- THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANY QUESTION ABOUT Dynamite Payson's
INTEGRITY.
- THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANY QUESTION ABOUT WOODENBOAT's INTEGRITY.
To repeat:
We hold the intellectual right to every design we've ever concocted.
And nobody speaks for us. Nobody is authorized to speak for us.
Are we done with this subject of fundamentals ?! Is this a clean
slate?
I placed an order for Brick plans about first week in
Aug. Online credit card order. I got immediate
confirmation of my order. Four weeks later,nothing.
I emailed and 3 days later was told the plans would be
mailed the following day. About 3 weeks went by and no
plans. I emailed again about a week ago and have heard
nothing. No answer on phone calls.
John Heemer
PA.
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Aug. Online credit card order. I got immediate
confirmation of my order. Four weeks later,nothing.
I emailed and 3 days later was told the plans would be
mailed the following day. About 3 weeks went by and no
plans. I emailed again about a week ago and have heard
nothing. No answer on phone calls.
John Heemer
PA.
--- james_stytle <jstytle@...> wrote:
> I placed an order, with my credit card, for Brick__________________________________________________
> plans from Common
> Sense Boats on Sept. 5th. Earlier this week I
> called the company to
> check on the status of the order. I got an
> answering machine, so I
> left my number and said why I was calling. I have
> never heard from
> the company nor have I received the plans. Am I
> expecting faster
> service than they normally provide? Have others had
> this experience?
>
> James Stytle
> Indiana
>jstytle@...
>
>
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I ordered Big Dory plans from CSD (note name change, why? leagal
stuff?) in June, called in Aug and spoke with Gerry Estes, bank draft
cashed in earky July but still no plans. I'm getting, to put it
mildly, ticked at Mr. Estes.
I don't know, or care, of the arrangement (or lack therof) between PB
and CSD, but will never order from them again based on incredibly
poor customer service. Any legal stuff between them is their biz, CSD
is certainly not operating from the back of a darken truck
going "Pssssst, wanna' buy some Bolger plans?", if PB&F want to sue
him, they know where to find them. The truth is, they are not
OPERATING as a BUSINESS at all.
Dynamite Payson (www.instantboats.com) is indeed an authorized source
for the models of PB&F's plans that he offers.
Just my opinion,
Bruce Hector
stuff?) in June, called in Aug and spoke with Gerry Estes, bank draft
cashed in earky July but still no plans. I'm getting, to put it
mildly, ticked at Mr. Estes.
I don't know, or care, of the arrangement (or lack therof) between PB
and CSD, but will never order from them again based on incredibly
poor customer service. Any legal stuff between them is their biz, CSD
is certainly not operating from the back of a darken truck
going "Pssssst, wanna' buy some Bolger plans?", if PB&F want to sue
him, they know where to find them. The truth is, they are not
OPERATING as a BUSINESS at all.
Dynamite Payson (www.instantboats.com) is indeed an authorized source
for the models of PB&F's plans that he offers.
Just my opinion,
Bruce Hector
Didn't CSB have the rights to sell Bolger plans at one time? Did that
change? I know that Bolger has some disagreements with CSB, tho, and
for this reason I won't buy any Bolger stuff from them. Do the CSB
plans have the cute little gaff version of the Brick on them?
I think Bolger would be perfectly happy if people bought some of his
plans from Payson (www.instantboats.com) as well. It is my
understanding that Payson and Bolger get along very well, and some of
Bolger's plans say they were done for Payson.
change? I know that Bolger has some disagreements with CSB, tho, and
for this reason I won't buy any Bolger stuff from them. Do the CSB
plans have the cute little gaff version of the Brick on them?
I think Bolger would be perfectly happy if people bought some of his
plans from Payson (www.instantboats.com) as well. It is my
understanding that Payson and Bolger get along very well, and some of
Bolger's plans say they were done for Payson.
--- In bolger@y..., "John Cupp" <caj@k...> wrote:
snip I ordered the same plans but
> soon after learned that common sense boats is not an authorized
sales
> entity for Philip Bolger and Friends. I have been unable so far but
I
> will contact Mr Bolger and make reparations for buying plans that Mr
> Bolger owns and I bought for all intents and purposes a pirated
copy.
>
snip Let us honor Mr
Bolger
> and his accomplishments by buying only from him. It makes the best
> sense.
>
> John
>
I had the same experience but shortly after the call my plans
arrived and I live in the same state. I ordered the same plans but
soon after learned that common sense boats is not an authorized sales
entity for Philip Bolger and Friends. I have been unable so far but I
will contact Mr Bolger and make reparations for buying plans that Mr
Bolger owns and I bought for all intents and purposes a pirated copy.
I make a plea to all who buy Bolger plans to buy them from him. He
has unlike many designers devoted many of his designs to the home
builder and we all marvel at the amount and diversity of his designs.
I feel that by buying pirated plans I personally have dishonored one
of the best boat designers alive today. I also realize that Mr Bolger
does not live in the lap of luxury and by giving money to people who
use his talent without paying I am taking a chunk of his paycheck.
No matter what sales these faux Bolger outlets promise the only real
help you can get on design questions comes from Mr. Bolger. I made a
mistake by buying Bolger plans from CSB but I will never make that
mistake again. We all work to earn an income but I ask wouldn't any
one of us become angry if someone was stealing our paycheck? The
Government thievery I won't go into right now. Let us honor Mr Bolger
and his accomplishments by buying only from him. It makes the best
sense.
John
arrived and I live in the same state. I ordered the same plans but
soon after learned that common sense boats is not an authorized sales
entity for Philip Bolger and Friends. I have been unable so far but I
will contact Mr Bolger and make reparations for buying plans that Mr
Bolger owns and I bought for all intents and purposes a pirated copy.
I make a plea to all who buy Bolger plans to buy them from him. He
has unlike many designers devoted many of his designs to the home
builder and we all marvel at the amount and diversity of his designs.
I feel that by buying pirated plans I personally have dishonored one
of the best boat designers alive today. I also realize that Mr Bolger
does not live in the lap of luxury and by giving money to people who
use his talent without paying I am taking a chunk of his paycheck.
No matter what sales these faux Bolger outlets promise the only real
help you can get on design questions comes from Mr. Bolger. I made a
mistake by buying Bolger plans from CSB but I will never make that
mistake again. We all work to earn an income but I ask wouldn't any
one of us become angry if someone was stealing our paycheck? The
Government thievery I won't go into right now. Let us honor Mr Bolger
and his accomplishments by buying only from him. It makes the best
sense.
John
--- In bolger@y..., "james_stytle" <jstytle@j...> wrote:
> I placed an order, with my credit card, for Brick plans from Common
> Sense Boats on Sept. 5th. Earlier this week I called the company
to
> check on the status of the order. I got an answering machine, so I
> left my number and said why I was calling. I have never heard from
> the company nor have I received the plans. Am I expecting faster
> service than they normally provide? Have others had this
experience?
>
> James Stytle
> Indiana
> jstytle@j...
I placed an order, with my credit card, for Brick plans from Common
Sense Boats on Sept. 5th. Earlier this week I called the company to
check on the status of the order. I got an answering machine, so I
left my number and said why I was calling. I have never heard from
the company nor have I received the plans. Am I expecting faster
service than they normally provide? Have others had this experience?
James Stytle
Indiana
jstytle@...
Sense Boats on Sept. 5th. Earlier this week I called the company to
check on the status of the order. I got an answering machine, so I
left my number and said why I was calling. I have never heard from
the company nor have I received the plans. Am I expecting faster
service than they normally provide? Have others had this experience?
James Stytle
Indiana
jstytle@...
At 09:42 AM 9/8/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>bgbeck5-@...wrote:
> Hi Gregg,
> CSB still has the basic PCB designs;"Micro","Micro Trawler","Old
>Shoe",etc and the plans that Bernie Wolfard added after he and PCB had
>a parting of the ways.
> Gregg, I received the subscription invitation after I sent in my
>message on CSB. I appear on the Members List, but without a User's
>Name. I guess I'm anonymous? =)
> Bruce
>
>
>original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=267
>> > If anyone had concerns about whether or not Common Sense Boats was
>a
>> >legitimate operation, I have just ordered and received plans from
>them
>> >using the website and secure server. I ordered plans for "Fishcat"
>last
>> >Tuesday evening,8/31/99, and received them today, 9/7/99.
>> > Bruce
>> > P.S. What's "bouncing"? Why is one memmber on the list
>"pe5rmanently
>> >bouncing"?
>>
>> Good news; do they still offer some Bolger plans?
>>
>> It means his email address is not working. Bruce, you appear to be
>> subscribed to the list, but all of your posts come to me for
>moderation -
>> i.e. it never recognizes you. Did you subscribe?
>>
>> Gregg Carlson
>>
>>
>
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bgbeck5-@...wrote:
Hi Gregg,
CSB still has the basic PCB designs;"Micro","Micro Trawler","Old
Shoe",etc and the plans that Bernie Wolfard added after he and PCB had
a parting of the ways.
Gregg, I received the subscription invitation after I sent in my
message on CSB. I appear on the Members List, but without a User's
Name. I guess I'm anonymous? =)
Bruce
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=267
Hi Gregg,
CSB still has the basic PCB designs;"Micro","Micro Trawler","Old
Shoe",etc and the plans that Bernie Wolfard added after he and PCB had
a parting of the ways.
Gregg, I received the subscription invitation after I sent in my
message on CSB. I appear on the Members List, but without a User's
Name. I guess I'm anonymous? =)
Bruce
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=267
> > If anyone had concerns about whether or not Common Sense Boats wasa
> >legitimate operation, I have just ordered and received plans fromthem
> >using the website and secure server. I ordered plans for "Fishcat"last
> >Tuesday evening,8/31/99, and received them today, 9/7/99."pe5rmanently
> > Bruce
> > P.S. What's "bouncing"? Why is one memmber on the list
> >bouncing"?moderation -
>
> Good news; do they still offer some Bolger plans?
>
> It means his email address is not working. Bruce, you appear to be
> subscribed to the list, but all of your posts come to me for
> i.e. it never recognizes you. Did you subscribe?
>
> Gregg Carlson
>
>
> If anyone had concerns about whether or not Common Sense Boats was aGood news; do they still offer some Bolger plans?
>legitimate operation, I have just ordered and received plans from them
>using the website and secure server. I ordered plans for "Fishcat" last
>Tuesday evening,8/31/99, and received them today, 9/7/99.
> Bruce
> P.S. What's "bouncing"? Why is one memmber on the list "pe5rmanently
>bouncing"?
It means his email address is not working. Bruce, you appear to be
subscribed to the list, but all of your posts come to me for moderation -
i.e. it never recognizes you. Did you subscribe?
Gregg Carlson
If anyone had concerns about whether or not Common Sense Boats was a
legitimate operation, I have just ordered and received plans from them
using the website and secure server. I ordered plans for "Fishcat" last
Tuesday evening,8/31/99, and received them today, 9/7/99.
Bruce
P.S. What's "bouncing"? Why is one memmber on the list "pe5rmanently
bouncing"?
legitimate operation, I have just ordered and received plans from them
using the website and secure server. I ordered plans for "Fishcat" last
Tuesday evening,8/31/99, and received them today, 9/7/99.
Bruce
P.S. What's "bouncing"? Why is one memmber on the list "pe5rmanently
bouncing"?