Re: [bolger] Re: Thomaston galley?
I used to think that the cartopper was a reduced Gypsy also, but they really
have only a few things in common, the are double chined plywood, they have
the same rig they are designed by Bolger and they are sailing dingy's.
They are 2 entirely different boats and don't really look alike when next to
each other. Gypsy has a lot flatter run, will plane the dagger board is
conventionally located. The Cartopper has a lot more rocker, and fatter for
her length with more freeboard is "I think" a better looking boat when next
to a Gypsy, and is probably able to handle worse weather and wouldn't plane
unless being towed empty. The Cartopper also has that unconventional small
center board located forward, with the rudder sharing lateral plane area.
HJ
have only a few things in common, the are double chined plywood, they have
the same rig they are designed by Bolger and they are sailing dingy's.
They are 2 entirely different boats and don't really look alike when next to
each other. Gypsy has a lot flatter run, will plane the dagger board is
conventionally located. The Cartopper has a lot more rocker, and fatter for
her length with more freeboard is "I think" a better looking boat when next
to a Gypsy, and is probably able to handle worse weather and wouldn't plane
unless being towed empty. The Cartopper also has that unconventional small
center board located forward, with the rudder sharing lateral plane area.
HJ
> If you want something bigger than Cartopper and don't mind a trailer,
> take a look at Gypsy. She is 16 ft., mainly a sailboat, but rows well,
> too. Cartopper is actually a reduced version.
>
> Ford Walton
>
> "
If you want something bigger than Cartopper and don't mind a trailer,
take a look at Gypsy. She is 16 ft., mainly a sailboat, but rows well,
too. Cartopper is actually a reduced version.
Ford Walton
"s_paskey " wrote:
take a look at Gypsy. She is 16 ft., mainly a sailboat, but rows well,
too. Cartopper is actually a reduced version.
Ford Walton
"s_paskey " wrote:
>
> Thanks for the comments, Peter. I do like cartopper, though I wish
> one could trim the boat comfortably for an oarsman with 1 passenger.
> I don't mind a small trailer, and unless one actually needs to cartop
> the boat, the TG's extra length would seem to be a great advantage.
> Faster hull speed, and more room to build in compartments for
> bouyancy and gear storage.
>
> As for other alternatives, I'd consider anything that sails well,
> rows respectably, and has enough room for a tall person to sleep
> comfortably under a cockpit tent. PCB might suggest his Camper
> (#640), the 18-foot birdwatcher-style skiff, but I remain resistant
> to the idea of the lexan house. It's not about the temperature --
> when the weather's pleasant, I don't want to sit in a cabin.
>
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<s_paskey@y...> wrote:
<s_paskey@y...> wrote:
>sleep
> As for other alternatives, I'd consider anything that sails well,
> rows respectably, and has enough room for a tall person to
> comfortably under a cockpit tent. PCB might suggest hisCamper
> (#640), the 18-foot birdwatcher-style skiff, but I remain resistantJUNEBUG
> to the idea of the lexan house. It's not about the temperature --
> when the weather's pleasant, I don't want to sit in a cabin.
Close, Bruce, but no cigar:
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/articles/birdwatcher/junk.htm
Re; the Birdwatcher. Have you seen the conversion to a junk rig in
the current duckworks? Looks pretty good. You stand anytime to have
your ears in the breeze, I'll bet a higher than average or folding
helm seat could be fanagled in to sit and steer with the wind in your
teeth.
I think its
http://www.duckworks.com
Bruce Hector
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/articles/birdwatcher/junk.htm
Re; the Birdwatcher. Have you seen the conversion to a junk rig in
the current duckworks? Looks pretty good. You stand anytime to have
your ears in the breeze, I'll bet a higher than average or folding
helm seat could be fanagled in to sit and steer with the wind in your
teeth.
I think its
http://www.duckworks.com
Bruce Hector
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re; the Birdwatcher. Have you seen the conversion to a junk rig in
the current duckworks? Looks pretty good. You stand anytime to have
your ears in the breeze, I'll bet a higher than average or folding
helm seat could be fanagled in to sit and steer with the wind in your
teeth.
I think its
http://www.duckworks.com
Bruce Hector
the current duckworks? Looks pretty good. You stand anytime to have
your ears in the breeze, I'll bet a higher than average or folding
helm seat could be fanagled in to sit and steer with the wind in your
teeth.
I think its
http://www.duckworks.com
Bruce Hector
Thanks for the comments, Peter. I do like cartopper, though I wish
one could trim the boat comfortably for an oarsman with 1 passenger.
I don't mind a small trailer, and unless one actually needs to cartop
the boat, the TG's extra length would seem to be a great advantage.
Faster hull speed, and more room to build in compartments for
bouyancy and gear storage.
As for other alternatives, I'd consider anything that sails well,
rows respectably, and has enough room for a tall person to sleep
comfortably under a cockpit tent. PCB might suggest his Camper
(#640), the 18-foot birdwatcher-style skiff, but I remain resistant
to the idea of the lexan house. It's not about the temperature --
when the weather's pleasant, I don't want to sit in a cabin.
one could trim the boat comfortably for an oarsman with 1 passenger.
I don't mind a small trailer, and unless one actually needs to cartop
the boat, the TG's extra length would seem to be a great advantage.
Faster hull speed, and more room to build in compartments for
bouyancy and gear storage.
As for other alternatives, I'd consider anything that sails well,
rows respectably, and has enough room for a tall person to sleep
comfortably under a cockpit tent. PCB might suggest his Camper
(#640), the 18-foot birdwatcher-style skiff, but I remain resistant
to the idea of the lexan house. It's not about the temperature --
when the weather's pleasant, I don't want to sit in a cabin.
One year at the Mystic Small weekend, a guy brought a brand-new,
Payson-built Thomaston Galley. I got to sail it and, unfortunately,
hit a rock with the leeboard and cracked the leeboard brace. One of
my more embarrassing moments. It did mean that I had to row it upwind
for a couple hundred yards to get back to the dock.
It's actually a pretty steep v-bottom, but I don't remember it being
especially tippy. It has good beam, so I think it wouldn't easily tip
farther than enough to get the chine in the water. It ran off on a
broad reach in grand style. I found it awkward to have to get the
sheet looped around a cleat to leeward when tacking or jibing, and I
would probably go to two sheets, like jib.
I can't really comment on the rowing, except that the seating
position was good. I don't row enough to have a standard of
comparison.
I think it's a very clever boat. You might want to avoid a chop that
she stuck the low bow into, but other than that, I think she could
handle quite a sea. If she ever got full of water, she'd be a handful
because, as you noted, she's quite roomy.
What alternatives would you consider? Cartopper would probably be
considered as being "in the same class" in BolgerSpeak.
Peter
Payson-built Thomaston Galley. I got to sail it and, unfortunately,
hit a rock with the leeboard and cracked the leeboard brace. One of
my more embarrassing moments. It did mean that I had to row it upwind
for a couple hundred yards to get back to the dock.
It's actually a pretty steep v-bottom, but I don't remember it being
especially tippy. It has good beam, so I think it wouldn't easily tip
farther than enough to get the chine in the water. It ran off on a
broad reach in grand style. I found it awkward to have to get the
sheet looped around a cleat to leeward when tacking or jibing, and I
would probably go to two sheets, like jib.
I can't really comment on the rowing, except that the seating
position was good. I don't row enough to have a standard of
comparison.
I think it's a very clever boat. You might want to avoid a chop that
she stuck the low bow into, but other than that, I think she could
handle quite a sea. If she ever got full of water, she'd be a handful
because, as you noted, she's quite roomy.
What alternatives would you consider? Cartopper would probably be
considered as being "in the same class" in BolgerSpeak.
Peter
I've seen lots of little snippets here and there about the TG but
I've never seen any detail save the little line drawing that's on
Payson's site under non-instant boats. So, I'd be interested in
knowing more about this boat too.
Steve Hansen
I've never seen any detail save the little line drawing that's on
Payson's site under non-instant boats. So, I'd be interested in
knowing more about this boat too.
Steve Hansen
> If anyone out there has built, sailed, or rowed a TG, I'd be most
> interesting in hearing about your experiences.
I've been rereading the chapter on the TG in Small Boats, and I'm
impressed by PCB's comment that he has more than once covered 25
miles in a day by rowing in the morning calm and sailing when the
wind came up.
Granted, other small boats could do that, but how many have the
center of the boat free for sleeping aboard under a cockpit tent?
Could be a great boat for minimal weekend cruises for one without an
engine. (I'm thinking about the Wye River and other nooks and
crannies around the Chesapeake.)
If anyone out there has built, sailed, or rowed a TG, I'd be most
interesting in hearing about your experiences.
Thanks!
Steve Paskey
Takoma Park, MD
impressed by PCB's comment that he has more than once covered 25
miles in a day by rowing in the morning calm and sailing when the
wind came up.
Granted, other small boats could do that, but how many have the
center of the boat free for sleeping aboard under a cockpit tent?
Could be a great boat for minimal weekend cruises for one without an
engine. (I'm thinking about the Wye River and other nooks and
crannies around the Chesapeake.)
If anyone out there has built, sailed, or rowed a TG, I'd be most
interesting in hearing about your experiences.
Thanks!
Steve Paskey
Takoma Park, MD