[bolger] Re: sharpie vs dory vs pirogue
> 1) If it has oyster shells in the bilge, it's a sharpie."..."5)If Courvoisier ... ... yacht."
Nice try, but derivative. If M. Vanderwaat is the author of the first 4
lines, let us pay hommage to a genius and let the matter rest.
Bill, worrying about the ice dams over the eaves
"C. O'Donnell" wrote:
> Is this a pirogue, a dory, or a sharpie canoe?
Yes.
My 2 cents.
Pirogue is a boat which resembles a canoe. In fact, in French it is
often used as the word for canoe. "Canoe" is an incredibly vague term.
Do we mean a proa? A Rushton boat? Something from Mac McCarthy? Etc
etc. Let us not open the box containing the "canoe yawl" and "canoe
yacht".
A sharpie is a flat-bottomed boat. It does not have to have rocker.
It
is usually larger than a canoe or a pirogue, it's related to the skiff
in how it's built, it's descended from workboats.
Dory is a far more elusive concept, my take is that it implies a
certain specific set of construction details combined with a certain
hull shape and refers to a pretty specific "you konw 'em when you see
um" boat.
Not every boat in Gardner's DORY BOOK is strictly a dory, by this
definition, which is OK. Labels get misapplied or extended to boat
types all the time.
Is "Badger" by Benford a dory? Well, no, not really. It's a dory-like
hull, yassa, but it has a big whompin' keel. A boat with a keel is
not
a dory.
So in the end, the answer is, these are labels only and you can never
settle the questions for good and all.
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> 1) If it has oyster shells in the bilge, it's a sharpie.Perfect! But
>
> 2) If it has codfish bones in the bilge, it's a dory.
>
> 3) If it has crawdad shells in the bilge, it's a pirogue.
>
> 4) If it has a beer can in the bilge, it's just a skiff.
5) If it has Courvoisier bottles in the bilge, it's a Yacht.
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2712
snip
>Lots of 4 wheel skiffs in my area, also a bunch of ugly ones from
> 4) If it has a beer can in the bilge, it's just a skiff.
>
> Peter
>
Frigidaire.
Brilliant classification, tho I note Chappelle doesn't show this on his
drawings.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stan Muller [SMTP:smuller@...]
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 5:16 PM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: sharpie vs dory vs pirogue
>
> Peter, I have one thing to say about your description----
>
> IT'S A KEEPER!!!!!!
>
> Stan, With a framed copy of your email to put in the Snow Goose.
>
>
> Peter Vanderwaart wrote;
> > 1) If it has oyster shells in the bilge, it's a sharpie.
> >
> > 2) If it has codfish bones in the bilge, it's a dory.
> >
> > 3) If it has crawdad shells in the bilge, it's a pirogue.
> >
> > 4) If it has a beer can in the bilge, it's just a skiff.
> >
> > Peter
> >
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Peter Vanderwaart wrote;
> 1) If it has oyster shells in the bilge, it's a sharpie.
>
> 2) If it has codfish bones in the bilge, it's a dory.
>
> 3) If it has crawdad shells in the bilge, it's a pirogue.
>
> 4) If it has a beer can in the bilge, it's just a skiff.
>
> Peter
>
2) If it has codfish bones in the bilge, it's a dory.
3) If it has crawdad shells in the bilge, it's a pirogue.
4) If it has a beer can in the bilge, it's just a skiff.
Peter
dory, is the fact that there is enough flare in the sides, bow and stern
to allow the dories to be nested. (stacked)
Stan, Still of the Snow Goose.
> Is this a pirogue, a dory, or a sharpie canoe?Yes.
My 2 cents.
Pirogue is a boat which resembles a canoe. In fact, in French it is
often used as the word for canoe. "Canoe" is an incredibly vague term.
Do we mean a proa? A Rushton boat? Something from Mac McCarthy? Etc
etc. Let us not open the box containing the "canoe yawl" and "canoe
yacht".
A sharpie is a flat-bottomed boat. It does not have to have rocker. It
is usually larger than a canoe or a pirogue, it's related to the skiff
in how it's built, it's descended from workboats.
Dory is a far more elusive concept, my take is that it implies a
certain specific set of construction details combined with a certain
hull shape and refers to a pretty specific "you konw 'em when you see
um" boat.
Not every boat in Gardner's DORY BOOK is strictly a dory, by this
definition, which is OK. Labels get misapplied or extended to boat
types all the time.
Is "Badger" by Benford a dory? Well, no, not really. It's a dory-like
hull, yassa, but it has a big whompin' keel. A boat with a keel is not
a dory.
So in the end, the answer is, these are labels only and you can never
settle the questions for good and all.
>Very good question. For instance, I have a 16ft flat bottom canoe, sides
> 5) What is a "sharpie"? By which I mean, what quality or qualities
> distinguishes a "non-sharpie" flat-bottomed, hard chined vessel from a
> "sharpie"? Too low a length/beam ration? Too high a displacement/length
> ration? A fixed keel? Design #92 in 100 SBR is definitely flat-floored, and
> presumably hard-chined, but it has an in-board rudder and presumably (?) a
> fixed keel. Does anyone consider the Hunt 220 a "sharpie"? Or Bolger's
> "Burgandy"? Presumably not in the last two cases, but is there a dividing
> line that reasonable people can agree upon?
flare at 25 degrees, about 6 inches of rocker fore to aft.
Is this a pirogue, a dory, or a sharpie canoe?
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