Re: Sheet-ply canoe yawl?

> This would seem to resemble a double ender with the chine line of
> what Chapelle and others have called a "Northern Skipjack" - though
> you see the same style in old pix of Florida.

The hull shape is not so very different from the Buehler Emily and
Juno, I guess, but in the small size, with half the hull volume
devoted to water ballast, it doesn't seem like a practical
proposition to me.

Peter
>Thanks so much for digging that up and scanning it in. Very
>nice -- the deep "V" is a surprise, but she's otherwise exactly along
>the lines that I was thinking.

This would seem to resemble a double ender with the chine line of
what Chapelle and others have called a "Northern Skipjack" - though
you see the same style in old pix of Florida.
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By the by, you want to check out the boats of Iain Oughtred as well.
He has several of the general type:

http://www.imagic.demon.co.uk/openboat/ness.html
http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/dfwbphp/designINDEX.php?ID=1

If anyone knows a better Oughtred site, please let us know.

I would note that many feel that glued, ply, lap construction is
great for amateurs, however daunting it seems to me. Of course, the
details of the construction count for a lot.

Peter
> Incidentally, you're right about the sides of ELVER being
> strip-planked.

The Elver construction is similar in concept to the Brewer boat I
mentioned, which would turn out as a home-built Nimble 24, more or
less. I have never been a fan of the Elver; it seems too cute to get
out of its own way to me. Better you should listen to the satisified
former owners than to me, I guess.

I find it ironic that Cyrus Hamlin, indicated as the codifier of
strip planking by PCB, liked to design boats with strip planked
bottoms and ply topsides, but there are probably more designs with
the subtle shape in the topsides where it looks pretty and doesn't
greatly affect performance, and a flat ply bottom.

If you want the flat bottom and are willing to contemplate the strip
planking, there are other Bolger boats that can be considered. And
even more for cold molding. Take a look in the database here.

Peter
Thanks for the suggestion.
Paul does have a web-site, at www.selway-fisher.com

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Hannes" <h.kuehtreiber@t...> wrote:
> try paul fisher - Selway Fisher design has a nice 22' canoe yawl,
> Kittiwake, stich&glue with 6 planks per side, plus several similar
> designs.
Peter: Thanks so much for digging that up and scanning it in. Very
nice -- the deep "V" is a surprise, but she's otherwise exactly along
the lines that I was thinking.

Incidentally, you're right about the sides of ELVER being
strip-planked. The plans call for 3/4 inch square stock. The bottom
is plywood with a plank keel -- dead flat, with no rocker -- and she's
built right-side up, with the bottom as a base. In shape and spirit
she's very much like DOVEKIE, but with a cabin and yawl rig.

Though I very much like the PCB cartoon, ELVER would have the
advantage of extreme shallow draft, and she's easily beached.

Steve

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart <pvanderw@o...>" <
pvanderw@o...> wrote:
>
> The things I do you this group: rummaging through old magazines and
> dealing with a cranky scanner. Since the scans are big, I put them
on
> my geocities site.
try paul fisher - Selway Fisher design has a nice 22' canoe yawl,
Kittiwake, stich&glue with 6 planks per side, plus several similar
designs.

his catalog is full of small, trad looking s&g boats and canoes,
quite interesting.

looking at his catalog from 95 does not show a website, but I am
sure he has one now.
his postal adress:
15 King St
Melksham
Wilts SN126HB
GB

Phone 0225 705074

(back in 95, mind you)

if you cant find him on the net i could scan kittwake and post it to
you - contact me off group (I have just taken myself off for some
time)

hannes
For those who have been looking for Redond's designs, either Elver or Whisp
he has reappeared from the missing and has a web site

www.sredmond.com

I think it was mentioned here a short while back.

HJ


> >I am also reminded that Elver has curved sides, i.e. is strip
> >planked, and Centennial II is a double-ended yawl, though not as
> >pretty as what you are looking for.
>
> I can not recall how the Elver was built other than a flat bottom -
> sailed on one about 3 years ago. It's a nice boat.
>
> Selway Fisher has some plywood canoe yawl designs of varying complexity,
> too.
>>http://www.geocities.com/pvanderwaart/pcb_py1.JPG
>>http://www.geocities.com/pvanderwaart/pcb_py2.JPG
>>http://www.geocities.com/pvanderwaart/pcb_py3.JPG
>
>http://www.geocities.com/pvanderwaart/pcb_py4.JPG
>
>Oops, I missed the last column of text on the first go-round. - Peter

Say, Peter, thanks much. I only saw one message. Yahoo does sometimes
do odd things.
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>I am also reminded that Elver has curved sides, i.e. is strip
>planked, and Centennial II is a double-ended yawl, though not as
>pretty as what you are looking for.

I can not recall how the Elver was built other than a flat bottom -
sailed on one about 3 years ago. It's a nice boat.

Selway Fisher has some plywood canoe yawl designs of varying complexity, too.
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> Peter, do you happen to have that cartoon? I'd be very interested
in seeing it.

I just typed all this once, but Yahoo skipped to the screen to
validate my login and seemed to have swallowed it. If you end up
seeing it twice, that's less than the annoyance to me of typing twice.

The things I do you this group: rummaging through old magazines and
dealing with a cranky scanner. Since the scans are big, I put them on
my geocities site.

http://www.geocities.com/pvanderwaart/pcb_py1.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/pvanderwaart/pcb_py2.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/pvanderwaart/pcb_py3.JPG

In the database on this site, there is an entry for #433 21'x6' yawl.
I don't know anything else about it; perhaps it's the same.

I am also reminded that Elver has curved sides, i.e. is strip
planked, and Centennial II is a double-ended yawl, though not as
pretty as what you are looking for.

Peter
>Bolger did respond to a request for a bone simple, ply, canoe yawl as
>part of his Small Boat Journal cartoon series. It looked pretty
>unlikely to me, but the score is about 700 to 0 as far as the ratio
>of his designs to mine, so what do I know. As far as I know, nothing
>ever came of it.
>
>Peter

Peter, do you happen to have that cartoon? I'd be very interested in seeing it.
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>Various folks here have suggested rigging Windsprint or Birdwatcher
>as a yawl, but I really like the looks of the Sweet Pea shape.
>Anyone know of such a design, by PCB or anyone else?


Elver by Steve Redmond.
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> Anyone know of such a design, by PCB or anyone else?

In William Garden's Yacht Designs II, there is a 24' 6" Canoe Ketch
that is multi-chine and planked with 1/2" ply. It is an open
daysailer, which may or may not be what you want.

You want to be familiar with Paul Gartside's boats, not because they
are what you want, but because they feed the fire:
http://www.gartsideboats.com/index.html

If you really do want an open boat, then check out John Welsford's 6
meter whaler. It's more lap than panel-planked but you can do it.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jw/index.htm

Ted Brewer has a design (not on his web site; I saw it in a book)for
a double ender about 24 feet with a ply bottom and strip-planked
sides. In addition, his Grand Banks 22 is nearly a double-ended dory,
but I think it's a little too plain for your taste.

Bolger did respond to a request for a bone simple, ply, canoe yawl as
part of his Small Boat Journal cartoon series. It looked pretty
unlikely to me, but the score is about 700 to 0 as far as the ratio
of his designs to mine, so what do I know. As far as I know, nothing
ever came of it.

Peter
I've recently taken an interest in canoe yawls of varying sizes,
ranging from Wm Garden's Eel and Redmond's Elver up to Albert
Strange's Wenda. PCB, of course, has designed several canoe yawls,
including Quickstep, Windfola, and the Nord Coaster.

It occurs to me that one might build a lovely sheet-ply canoe yawl by
using a hull roughly the shape of Sweet Pea (i.e. flat bottom and
double-chined sides), but larger. However, I don't know of any true
cruising-size canoe yawl designed for sheet-ply construction.
(Michael Storer's "kamikaze" canoe yawl Beth is not what I had in
mind.)

Various folks here have suggested rigging Windsprint or Birdwatcher
as a yawl, but I really like the looks of the Sweet Pea shape.
Anyone know of such a design, by PCB or anyone else?

Thanks!