Re: Camper - was Junk Rigged Birdwatcher

Yes, design #640 is referred to as Camper, from a MAIB article I
think. Not sure how it ended up in the Birdwatcher folder.

> The boat in the "Birdwatcher" folder in the files is actually

Camper

> rather than Birdwatcher, isn't it?
>
> Sorry for the double post.
>
> Chris Stewart
> on the banks of the Hudson, daydreaming

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "s_paskey <s_paskey@y...>"
<s_paskey@y...> wrote:

> I thought the junk was offered as being handy under sail. But

you're

> right, I haven't sailed with one myself. In any event, it occurs

to

> me that one might be able to borrow the solution PCB used

on "Camper"

> (the 18-foot Birdwatcher-style skiff). Camper has a gaff rig with

a

> tabernacle, and it's designed so that one can fold the whole thing

up

> very quickly. Perhaps a "chinese gaff" (as opposed to a more
> conventional chinese lug) could be similarly arranged?

The boat in the "Birdwatcher" folder in the files is actually Camper
rather than Birdwatcher, isn't it?

Sorry for the double post.

Chris Stewart
on the banks of the Hudson, daydreaming

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "s_paskey <s_paskey@y...>"
<s_paskey@y...> wrote:

> I thought the junk was offered as being handy under sail. But

you're

> right, I haven't sailed with one myself. In any event, it occurs

to

> me that one might be able to borrow the solution PCB used

on "Camper"

> (the 18-foot Birdwatcher-style skiff). Camper has a gaff rig with

a

> tabernacle, and it's designed so that one can fold the whole thing

up

> very quickly. Perhaps a "chinese gaff" (as opposed to a more
> conventional chinese lug) could be similarly arranged?
>
> With Birdwatcher, on the other hand, you need to unstep the mast

and

> stow it.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> >
> > Certainly the junk rig wouldn't be a quick/simple to build as

the

> sprit, but I'd reserve judgement on how easily it's reefed/struck
> until I was the one doing it. Hasn't PCB been offering junk-rig
> variants for their handiness?

>Hasn't PCB been offering junk-rig
>variants for their handiness?

Yah, and I have a summary of variant junk rigs including his on my
Cheap Pages/Chinese Lugsails.
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>
>With Birdwatcher, on the other hand, you need to unstep the mast and
>stow it.

Well, with a tiny bit of creativity the BW mast would be as easy to
manage as one in a tabernacle.

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I thought the junk was offered as being handy under sail. But you're
right, I haven't sailed with one myself. In any event, it occurs to
me that one might be able to borrow the solution PCB used on "Camper"
(the 18-foot Birdwatcher-style skiff). Camper has a gaff rig with a
tabernacle, and it's designed so that one can fold the whole thing up
very quickly. Perhaps a "chinese gaff" (as opposed to a more
conventional chinese lug) could be similarly arranged?

With Birdwatcher, on the other hand, you need to unstep the mast and
stow it.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
>
> Certainly the junk rig wouldn't be a quick/simple to build as the
sprit, but I'd reserve judgement on how easily it's reefed/struck
until I was the one doing it. Hasn't PCB been offering junk-rig
variants for their handiness?

>An interesting idea, and it looks great. But it's contrary to the
>overriding theme of Birdwatcher -- in a word, "simplicity." As PCB
>explained, the original rig was intended to be "so quick to strike
>down that there would be no temptation to try to row her with the rig
>standing . . ."

Certainly the junk rig wouldn't be a quick/simple to build as the
sprit, but I'd reserve judgement on how easily it's reefed/struck
until I was the one doing it. Hasn't PCB been offering junk-rig
variants for their handiness?

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An interesting idea, and it looks great. But it's contrary to the
overriding theme of Birdwatcher -- in a word, "simplicity." As PCB
explained, the original rig was intended to be "so quick to strike
down that there would be no temptation to try to row her with the rig
standing . . ."

I just noticed on another list that the latest issue of Duckworks
Magazine has an article on a junk rigged Birdwatcher:

http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/articles/birdwatcher/junk.htm