Re: Fishcat
Love your pictures of the cabin Fishcat Bruce. It has the look of a
Junkers 87.
Are the 'windows' solid or 'roll-up' flexible?
Is that a yuloh on the deck?
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
Junkers 87.
Are the 'windows' solid or 'roll-up' flexible?
Is that a yuloh on the deck?
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
> For some good shots of Herb's Fishcat see Jeff Blunck's superbpage
> on last years Kingston Messabout.
>
>http://4dw.net/cosailor/messabout.htm
>
> Bruce Hector
For some good shots of Herb's Fishcat see Jeff Blunck's superb page
on last years Kingston Messabout.
http://4dw.net/cosailor/messabout.htm
Bruce Hector
on last years Kingston Messabout.
http://4dw.net/cosailor/messabout.htm
Bruce Hector
Thanks I will look under member for him.
Niels
Niels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "b_owen_ca" <mariner@n...> wrote:
> Herb Taylor of Russell Ontario brought his modified (had a cabin)
> Fishcat to last year's Kingston Messabout. I don't think he's a
> member of this group but you might get contact info from Bruce
Hector.
>
> Bryant
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Niels" <breezen@b...> wrote:
> > Has anyone in the group built the Fishcat? I was thinking of
> > building one. And was looking for other builders.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Niel
Herb Taylor of Russell Ontario brought his modified (had a cabin)
Fishcat to last year's Kingston Messabout. I don't think he's a
member of this group but you might get contact info from Bruce Hector.
Bryant
Fishcat to last year's Kingston Messabout. I don't think he's a
member of this group but you might get contact info from Bruce Hector.
Bryant
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Niels" <breezen@b...> wrote:
> Has anyone in the group built the Fishcat? I was thinking of
> building one. And was looking for other builders.
>
> Thanks,
> Niel
Has anyone in the group built the Fishcat? I was thinking of
building one. And was looking for other builders.
Thanks,
Niel
building one. And was looking for other builders.
Thanks,
Niel
--- In bolger@y..., "Marvin Wyckoff" <marvin.wyckoff@g...> wrote:
some advantages, not least that she seems to be a stable safe
fishing platform. Bernie reported that 2 men could fight their fish,
both standing on the same side. Diablo would be much tippier.
I cannot see that she would pound any more than Diablo, and probably
less. A quick measure of the flat planing surface of both bottoms
shows they are similar in area, yet I imagine the divided area of
Fishcat may tend to make her softer. But more importantly, the
considerable cushioning effect of the tunnel and bridgedeck will
give a better ride.
Diablo would be quicker to build, but the material costs should be
similar. Diablo uses 4 sheets of 1/4" ply + 3 sheets of 1/2" ply.
Fishcat takes 8 sheets of 1/4" plywood.
That's my guess.
DonB
> Has anyone built the fishcat? If so, how do you like it? Does itDiablo seems to be an alternative, but I think Fishcat could have
> plane easily? How is it in a short chop?
some advantages, not least that she seems to be a stable safe
fishing platform. Bernie reported that 2 men could fight their fish,
both standing on the same side. Diablo would be much tippier.
I cannot see that she would pound any more than Diablo, and probably
less. A quick measure of the flat planing surface of both bottoms
shows they are similar in area, yet I imagine the divided area of
Fishcat may tend to make her softer. But more importantly, the
considerable cushioning effect of the tunnel and bridgedeck will
give a better ride.
Diablo would be quicker to build, but the material costs should be
similar. Diablo uses 4 sheets of 1/4" ply + 3 sheets of 1/2" ply.
Fishcat takes 8 sheets of 1/4" plywood.
That's my guess.
DonB
Hi Marvin,
Sorry there was no more further responses to your query and I am only
responding from a bad memory. But it seems to me that Bernie used a
25 hp motor on his and he in fact lived near you.
However CSD is no longer a legitimate seller of Bolger plans and
your best bet is to contact Mr Bolger himself. The contact info is
in the files, right at the end. They would also tell you if they have
a better proposal such as Diablo which would be easier to trailer
perhaps. That is a very popular design and is available at:
http://www.instantboats.com
I believe CSD is a dead horse and should not be flogging plans!:-)
I will keep my eyes and ears open.
Nels
Sorry there was no more further responses to your query and I am only
responding from a bad memory. But it seems to me that Bernie used a
25 hp motor on his and he in fact lived near you.
However CSD is no longer a legitimate seller of Bolger plans and
your best bet is to contact Mr Bolger himself. The contact info is
in the files, right at the end. They would also tell you if they have
a better proposal such as Diablo which would be easier to trailer
perhaps. That is a very popular design and is available at:
http://www.instantboats.com
I believe CSD is a dead horse and should not be flogging plans!:-)
I will keep my eyes and ears open.
Nels
--- In bolger@y..., "Marvin Wyckoff" <marvin.wyckoff@g...> wrote:
>
> > Bernie Wolfard built the prototype I believe and he was a
> > parapeligic. He used it out in the Columbia River Delta in Oregon
> and
> > claimed it was very seaworthy in up to four foot waves, if memory
> > serves. (Which it doesn't actually:-)
> >
> > The write up he did may be in the files under "CSD Newsletters".
>
> I glanced through these, there was no mention of the Fishcat.
>
> What
> > were you wondering about a short chop? That is pounded? Or
created a
> > lot of spray? I believe it would pound at low speeds but that it
> > planes very easily.
> >
>
> I was wondering about spray and pounding. I would like to know how
> easily it would plane with a 25 hp Honda and a 500 lb load. It
seems
> like it would be a very easy and cheap boat to build for exploring
the
> Willamette River in Oregon (3 miles from my house).
>
> > It would seem to a really nice fishing boat in sheltered waters.
I
> > know others have been built. Maybe a builder will show up.
Otherwise
> > send a query to PCB&F. Was the orignal concept in SBJ or MAIB?
Where
> > di you hear about it Marvin?
>
> I first saw the design in the CSD catalog years ago. CSB is still
> offering plans for it.
> Bernie Wolfard built the prototype I believe and he was aand
> parapeligic. He used it out in the Columbia River Delta in Oregon
> claimed it was very seaworthy in up to four foot waves, if memoryI glanced through these, there was no mention of the Fishcat.
> serves. (Which it doesn't actually:-)
>
> The write up he did may be in the files under "CSD Newsletters".
What
> were you wondering about a short chop? That is pounded? Or created aI was wondering about spray and pounding. I would like to know how
> lot of spray? I believe it would pound at low speeds but that it
> planes very easily.
>
easily it would plane with a 25 hp Honda and a 500 lb load. It seems
like it would be a very easy and cheap boat to build for exploring the
Willamette River in Oregon (3 miles from my house).
> It would seem to a really nice fishing boat in sheltered waters. II first saw the design in the CSD catalog years ago. CSB is still
> know others have been built. Maybe a builder will show up. Otherwise
> send a query to PCB&F. Was the orignal concept in SBJ or MAIB? Where
> di you hear about it Marvin?
offering plans for it.
--- In bolger@y..., "Marvin Wyckoff" <marvin.wyckoff@g...> wrote:
parapeligic. He used it out in the Columbia River Delta in Oregon and
claimed it was very seaworthy in up to four foot waves, if memory
serves. (Which it doesn't actually:-)
The write up he did may be in the files under "CSD Newsletters". What
were you wondering about a short chop? That is pounded? Or created a
lot of spray? I believe it would pound at low speeds but that it
planes very easily.
It would seem to a really nice fishing boat in sheltered waters. I
know others have been built. Maybe a builder will show up. Otherwise
send a query to PCB&F. Was the orignal concept in SBJ or MAIB? Where
di you hear about it Marvin?
Nels
> Has anyone built the fishcat? If so, how do you like it? Does itBernie Wolfard built the prototype I believe and he was a
> plane easily? How is it in a short chop?
parapeligic. He used it out in the Columbia River Delta in Oregon and
claimed it was very seaworthy in up to four foot waves, if memory
serves. (Which it doesn't actually:-)
The write up he did may be in the files under "CSD Newsletters". What
were you wondering about a short chop? That is pounded? Or created a
lot of spray? I believe it would pound at low speeds but that it
planes very easily.
It would seem to a really nice fishing boat in sheltered waters. I
know others have been built. Maybe a builder will show up. Otherwise
send a query to PCB&F. Was the orignal concept in SBJ or MAIB? Where
di you hear about it Marvin?
Nels
Has anyone built the fishcat? If so, how do you like it? Does it
plane easily? How is it in a short chop?
plane easily? How is it in a short chop?
He is one tenacious guy.
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| Luan isn't all that rot resistant either. I have used
| it a lot glassed. Kurt Hugehs managed to get Luan
| approved by the USGA for his charter cats.
The United States Golf Association?! Wow, that must have been really hard!
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Luan isn't all that rot resistant either. I have used
it a lot glassed. Kurt Hugehs managed to get Luan
approved by the USGA for his charter cats.
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I don't doubt you know your own heart best, but I
always start these projects swearing to go cheap, and
as it turns out I keep making it nicer and nicer, as I
seek to protect my running investment. If you want to
save money, building it twice will not prove an
economical choice.
The problem with 1/4" standard ply is that some of it
is as good as 1088 (well nearly and possibly better in
certain respects:veneer schedule, rot resistance, and
modulus of the chosen wood) But nobody can tell you
what you will find in your locale, my shops vary
enormosly. One thing I have notice is that HD has the
lowest price, and some of the others are obviously
trying to beat them on grade, so if you can identify
that kind of activity you can exploit it.
Also what you do to deal with the problem ply, and how
you use the resulting boat, how much it is in and out
of water, and a million other things can have a big
effect.
If you go this route you are on your own. If you go
goldplater materials, then we can all sign on, its a
no-brainer. In a sense cheap construction is another
way to add some personality to your project.
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always start these projects swearing to go cheap, and
as it turns out I keep making it nicer and nicer, as I
seek to protect my running investment. If you want to
save money, building it twice will not prove an
economical choice.
The problem with 1/4" standard ply is that some of it
is as good as 1088 (well nearly and possibly better in
certain respects:veneer schedule, rot resistance, and
modulus of the chosen wood) But nobody can tell you
what you will find in your locale, my shops vary
enormosly. One thing I have notice is that HD has the
lowest price, and some of the others are obviously
trying to beat them on grade, so if you can identify
that kind of activity you can exploit it.
Also what you do to deal with the problem ply, and how
you use the resulting boat, how much it is in and out
of water, and a million other things can have a big
effect.
If you go this route you are on your own. If you go
goldplater materials, then we can all sign on, its a
no-brainer. In a sense cheap construction is another
way to add some personality to your project.
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Our local home supply place gets in many differn't types of plywood for
1/4 in AC. We are currently building 3 Cartoppers in partnership with
Fritz Funk, that are using a sort of Luan facing that is not too bad.
Currently the supply place has some A/C that is gorgeous, so it pays to
shop around and get it when the getting is good, build later.
I have used straight AC fir and have just painted it. Yep it checks, but
the two 9' Lark dories in the back yard, have laid around outside in
Alaska weather for 10 years and are not pretty, but still are
serviceable. I built them for a total cost of $75 out of leftover stuff
and a few bought sheets of 1/4 AC Fir. I think if I was going to use fir
again, I would try Linseed oil with oil based paint over.
One of the group members has a test method for plywood that I like. He
puts it in the dishwasher.
HJ
taz97355 wrote:
1/4 in AC. We are currently building 3 Cartoppers in partnership with
Fritz Funk, that are using a sort of Luan facing that is not too bad.
Currently the supply place has some A/C that is gorgeous, so it pays to
shop around and get it when the getting is good, build later.
I have used straight AC fir and have just painted it. Yep it checks, but
the two 9' Lark dories in the back yard, have laid around outside in
Alaska weather for 10 years and are not pretty, but still are
serviceable. I built them for a total cost of $75 out of leftover stuff
and a few bought sheets of 1/4 AC Fir. I think if I was going to use fir
again, I would try Linseed oil with oil based paint over.
One of the group members has a test method for plywood that I like. He
puts it in the dishwasher.
HJ
taz97355 wrote:
>
> Still looking over the plans and building a scale model and coming up
> with more and more questions. Has anyone had experience using plain
> old shop grade 1/4 inch plywood in building a Bolger boat? I keep
> reading conflicting stories about checking, voids, marine grade and
> on and on. Any idea on how long a boat out of 1/4 fir would last with
> just paint on it? Marine plywood with epoxy and glass adds up to a
> chunk of money for a design that I cannot verify as to being a good
> runner.(no one will fess up to having one ) I am thinking that if fir
> is ok then I could build a nice marine plywood and glass madel later.
> Back to the original question, any experienced builders that have
> used fir,how about a little experience sharing with this neophyte
> builder, (I'll upgrade myself to novice if I build one that floats).
> Thanks, Terry
>
I have now built 4 boats using 1/4 luan on the sides. 2 punts, a 23
foot schooner, and my present Sneakeasy. Except for the Sneakeasy,
which is completely covered on the outside with glass and epoxy, I
have had excellent luck with the luan. On the others I primed and
painted with Interlux Brightsides. I got some minor checking on the
schooner but the others are still fine. Perhaps using better quality
polyurethane paint makes a difference, I;m not sure, maybe the group
has an opinion. I guess I disagree with Dynamite, who I respect
greatly, I like the luan. I have used 3/4 luan on my Sneakeasy
transom, it is just great stuff to work with!!
Steve Bosquette
foot schooner, and my present Sneakeasy. Except for the Sneakeasy,
which is completely covered on the outside with glass and epoxy, I
have had excellent luck with the luan. On the others I primed and
painted with Interlux Brightsides. I got some minor checking on the
schooner but the others are still fine. Perhaps using better quality
polyurethane paint makes a difference, I;m not sure, maybe the group
has an opinion. I guess I disagree with Dynamite, who I respect
greatly, I like the luan. I have used 3/4 luan on my Sneakeasy
transom, it is just great stuff to work with!!
Steve Bosquette
--- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
>
> I built an Elegant Punt out of 1/4" fir marine ply about 25 years
> ago. It was primed and painted. No epoxy on the finish.For a decade
> or more, it has been stored outdoors. At present it has ivy growing
> over it. It has checked deeply and everywhere, but I would still
> count on being able to row across the cove in it.
>
> Peter
>
> > The tendency for Fir ply to check is a cosmetic problem only.
The
> stuff is pretty resistant to rot, and will last for quite a while
> with reasonable care, even with checking. Marine grade fir will
> check too. You might want to consider using Lauan ply as it is
> cheaper than fir, but won't check as badly.
I built an Elegant Punt out of 1/4" fir marine ply about 25 years
ago. It was primed and painted. No epoxy on the finish.For a decade
or more, it has been stored outdoors. At present it has ivy growing
over it. It has checked deeply and everywhere, but I would still
count on being able to row across the cove in it.
Peter
with reasonable care, even with checking. Marine grade fir will
check too. You might want to consider using Lauan ply as it is
cheaper than fir, but won't check as badly.
ago. It was primed and painted. No epoxy on the finish.For a decade
or more, it has been stored outdoors. At present it has ivy growing
over it. It has checked deeply and everywhere, but I would still
count on being able to row across the cove in it.
Peter
> The tendency for Fir ply to check is a cosmetic problem only. Thestuff is pretty resistant to rot, and will last for quite a while
with reasonable care, even with checking. Marine grade fir will
check too. You might want to consider using Lauan ply as it is
cheaper than fir, but won't check as badly.
Why don't you use 1/4" BC pine?
--- In bolger@y..., "bgbeck55" <bgbeck55@y...> wrote:
> I can't respond to your plywood questions, but I can add
something
> regarding the "Fishcat" design.
> CSB does still offer the plans.(See http://www.common-sense-
> boats.com/boats/Power_Boats/fishcat.htm ) They've put up a new
photo
> of one built in California. I corresponded with the builder as to
his
> experience. Overall he liked it very much. He did say that there
was
> a tendency for the boat tho throw water up from the motor mounting
> area. He was experimenting with a fin ahead of the outboard motor
to
> reduce the spray from that area. He also recommended using a 20" or
> long-shaft outboard. The plans show both.
> As near as I can find, there are only to two "Fishcat"s in
> existence. Bernie Wolfard's "prototype" and the one I just
discussed.
> I purchsed plans from CSB and asked Bernie about the design and a
> couple of changes I wanted to make. The answer was more like the
> catalog description rather than assistance. I've since "bit the
> bullet" and ordered plans from PCB&F, but haven't had the time to
sit
> down and write out my questions to PCB. The plans are $75 BTW.
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "taz97355" <taz97355@y...> wrote:
> > Still looking over the plans and building a scale model and
coming
> up
> > with more and more questions. Has anyone had experience using
plain
> > old shop grade 1/4 inch plywood in building a Bolger boat? I keep
> > reading conflicting stories about checking, voids, marine grade
and
> > on and on. Any idea on how long a boat out of 1/4 fir would last
> with
> > just paint on it? Marine plywood with epoxy and glass adds up to
a
> > chunk of money for a design that I cannot verify as to being a
good
> > runner.(no one will fess up to having one ) I am thinking that if
> fir
> > is ok then I could build a nice marine plywood and glass madel
> later.
> > Back to the original question, any experienced builders that have
> > used fir,how about a little experience sharing with this neophyte
> > builder, (I'll upgrade myself to novice if I build one that
floats).
> > Thanks, Terry
Hi Terry
I had a friend in Portland Oregon Bruce Flenner who built a 23 open boat
for salt water with shop grade and glass it lasted 2 years he is still
very angry about the whole thing.
WILLO
WillO
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-----Original Message-----
From: taz97355 [mailto:taz97355@...]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 10:05 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Fishcat
Still looking over the plans and building a scale model and coming up
with more and more questions. Has anyone had experience using plain
old shop grade 1/4 inch plywood in building a Bolger boat? I keep
reading conflicting stories about checking, voids, marine grade and
on and on. Any idea on how long a boat out of 1/4 fir would last with
just paint on it? Marine plywood with epoxy and glass adds up to a
chunk of money for a design that I cannot verify as to being a good
runner.(no one will fess up to having one ) I am thinking that if fir
is ok then I could build a nice marine plywood and glass madel later.
Back to the original question, any experienced builders that have
used fir,how about a little experience sharing with this neophyte
builder, (I'll upgrade myself to novice if I build one that floats).
Thanks, Terry
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I had a friend in Portland Oregon Bruce Flenner who built a 23 open boat
for salt water with shop grade and glass it lasted 2 years he is still
very angry about the whole thing.
WILLO
WillO
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-----Original Message-----
From: taz97355 [mailto:taz97355@...]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 10:05 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Fishcat
Still looking over the plans and building a scale model and coming up
with more and more questions. Has anyone had experience using plain
old shop grade 1/4 inch plywood in building a Bolger boat? I keep
reading conflicting stories about checking, voids, marine grade and
on and on. Any idea on how long a boat out of 1/4 fir would last with
just paint on it? Marine plywood with epoxy and glass adds up to a
chunk of money for a design that I cannot verify as to being a good
runner.(no one will fess up to having one ) I am thinking that if fir
is ok then I could build a nice marine plywood and glass madel later.
Back to the original question, any experienced builders that have
used fir,how about a little experience sharing with this neophyte
builder, (I'll upgrade myself to novice if I build one that floats).
Thanks, Terry
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I can't respond to your plywood questions, but I can add something
regarding the "Fishcat" design.
CSB does still offer the plans.(See http://www.common-sense-
boats.com/boats/Power_Boats/fishcat.htm ) They've put up a new photo
of one built in California. I corresponded with the builder as to his
experience. Overall he liked it very much. He did say that there was
a tendency for the boat tho throw water up from the motor mounting
area. He was experimenting with a fin ahead of the outboard motor to
reduce the spray from that area. He also recommended using a 20" or
long-shaft outboard. The plans show both.
As near as I can find, there are only to two "Fishcat"s in
existence. Bernie Wolfard's "prototype" and the one I just discussed.
I purchsed plans from CSB and asked Bernie about the design and a
couple of changes I wanted to make. The answer was more like the
catalog description rather than assistance. I've since "bit the
bullet" and ordered plans from PCB&F, but haven't had the time to sit
down and write out my questions to PCB. The plans are $75 BTW.
Bruce
regarding the "Fishcat" design.
CSB does still offer the plans.(See http://www.common-sense-
boats.com/boats/Power_Boats/fishcat.htm ) They've put up a new photo
of one built in California. I corresponded with the builder as to his
experience. Overall he liked it very much. He did say that there was
a tendency for the boat tho throw water up from the motor mounting
area. He was experimenting with a fin ahead of the outboard motor to
reduce the spray from that area. He also recommended using a 20" or
long-shaft outboard. The plans show both.
As near as I can find, there are only to two "Fishcat"s in
existence. Bernie Wolfard's "prototype" and the one I just discussed.
I purchsed plans from CSB and asked Bernie about the design and a
couple of changes I wanted to make. The answer was more like the
catalog description rather than assistance. I've since "bit the
bullet" and ordered plans from PCB&F, but haven't had the time to sit
down and write out my questions to PCB. The plans are $75 BTW.
Bruce
--- In bolger@y..., "taz97355" <taz97355@y...> wrote:
> Still looking over the plans and building a scale model and coming
up
> with more and more questions. Has anyone had experience using plain
> old shop grade 1/4 inch plywood in building a Bolger boat? I keep
> reading conflicting stories about checking, voids, marine grade and
> on and on. Any idea on how long a boat out of 1/4 fir would last
with
> just paint on it? Marine plywood with epoxy and glass adds up to a
> chunk of money for a design that I cannot verify as to being a good
> runner.(no one will fess up to having one ) I am thinking that if
fir
> is ok then I could build a nice marine plywood and glass madel
later.
> Back to the original question, any experienced builders that have
> used fir,how about a little experience sharing with this neophyte
> builder, (I'll upgrade myself to novice if I build one that floats).
> Thanks, Terry
Terry:
The tendency for Fir ply to check is a cosmetic problem only. The stuff is pretty resistant to rot, and will last for quite a while with reasonable care, even with checking. Marine grade fir will check too. You might want to consider using Lauan ply as it is cheaper than fir, but won't check as badly.
Chuck
Still looking over the plans and building a scale model and coming up
with more and more questions. Has anyone had experience using plain
old shop grade 1/4 inch plywood in building a Bolger boat? I keep
reading conflicting stories about checking, voids, marine grade and
on and on. Any idea on how long a boat out of 1/4 fir would last with
just paint on it? Marine plywood with epoxy and glass adds up to a
chunk of money for a design that I cannot verify as to being a good
runner.(no one will fess up to having one ) I am thinking that if fir
is ok then I could build a nice marine plywood and glass madel later.
Back to the original question, any experienced builders that have
used fir,how about a little experience sharing with this neophyte
builder, (I'll upgrade myself to novice if I build one that floats).
Thanks, Terry
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
The tendency for Fir ply to check is a cosmetic problem only. The stuff is pretty resistant to rot, and will last for quite a while with reasonable care, even with checking. Marine grade fir will check too. You might want to consider using Lauan ply as it is cheaper than fir, but won't check as badly.
Chuck
Still looking over the plans and building a scale model and coming up
with more and more questions. Has anyone had experience using plain
old shop grade 1/4 inch plywood in building a Bolger boat? I keep
reading conflicting stories about checking, voids, marine grade and
on and on. Any idea on how long a boat out of 1/4 fir would last with
just paint on it? Marine plywood with epoxy and glass adds up to a
chunk of money for a design that I cannot verify as to being a good
runner.(no one will fess up to having one ) I am thinking that if fir
is ok then I could build a nice marine plywood and glass madel later.
Back to the original question, any experienced builders that have
used fir,how about a little experience sharing with this neophyte
builder, (I'll upgrade myself to novice if I build one that floats).
Thanks, Terry
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
We've got a fir ply and paint elegant punt with 5 years on it, still in good
shape. We keep the paint up, and store it in the shade, haven't had any
checking problems so far.
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: taz97355 [mailto:taz97355@...]
Sent: December 10, 2001 10:05 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Fishcat
Still looking over the plans and building a scale model and coming up
with more and more questions. Has anyone had experience using plain
old shop grade 1/4 inch plywood in building a Bolger boat? I keep
reading conflicting stories about checking, voids, marine grade and
on and on. Any idea on how long a boat out of 1/4 fir would last with
just paint on it? Marine plywood with epoxy and glass adds up to a
chunk of money for a design that I cannot verify as to being a good
runner.(no one will fess up to having one ) I am thinking that if fir
is ok then I could build a nice marine plywood and glass madel later.
Back to the original question, any experienced builders that have
used fir,how about a little experience sharing with this neophyte
builder, (I'll upgrade myself to novice if I build one that floats).
Thanks, Terry
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shape. We keep the paint up, and store it in the shade, haven't had any
checking problems so far.
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: taz97355 [mailto:taz97355@...]
Sent: December 10, 2001 10:05 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Fishcat
Still looking over the plans and building a scale model and coming up
with more and more questions. Has anyone had experience using plain
old shop grade 1/4 inch plywood in building a Bolger boat? I keep
reading conflicting stories about checking, voids, marine grade and
on and on. Any idea on how long a boat out of 1/4 fir would last with
just paint on it? Marine plywood with epoxy and glass adds up to a
chunk of money for a design that I cannot verify as to being a good
runner.(no one will fess up to having one ) I am thinking that if fir
is ok then I could build a nice marine plywood and glass madel later.
Back to the original question, any experienced builders that have
used fir,how about a little experience sharing with this neophyte
builder, (I'll upgrade myself to novice if I build one that floats).
Thanks, Terry
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
- Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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I asked Mr. Payson about using Lauan plywood, as he mentioned building a
skiff of that material as a trial in "Build the New Instant Boats". While
he did not mention any specifics about that skiff, here is his reply:
"Geren, I'd use Lauan if I couldn't get anything else. If you do use, be
sure to glass the whole outside since Lauan is not all that strong."
Geren W. Mortensen, Jr.
Columbia, Maryland, USA
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skiff of that material as a trial in "Build the New Instant Boats". While
he did not mention any specifics about that skiff, here is his reply:
"Geren, I'd use Lauan if I couldn't get anything else. If you do use, be
sure to glass the whole outside since Lauan is not all that strong."
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Columbia, Maryland, USA
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Leinweber [mailto:chuck@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 1:40 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Fishcat
>
>
> Terry:
>
> The tendency for Fir ply to check is a cosmetic problem only.
> The stuff is pretty resistant to rot, and will last for quite a
> while with reasonable care, even with checking. Marine grade fir
> will check too. You might want to consider using Lauan ply as it
> is cheaper than fir, but won't check as badly.
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> Still looking over the plans and building a scale model and coming up
> with more and more questions. Has anyone had experience using plain
> old shop grade 1/4 inch plywood in building a Bolger boat? I keep
> reading conflicting stories about checking, voids, marine grade and
> on and on. Any idea on how long a boat out of 1/4 fir would last with
> just paint on it? Marine plywood with epoxy and glass adds up to a
> chunk of money for a design that I cannot verify as to being a good
> runner.(no one will fess up to having one ) I am thinking that if fir
> is ok then I could build a nice marine plywood and glass madel later.
> Back to the original question, any experienced builders that have
> used fir,how about a little experience sharing with this neophyte
> builder, (I'll upgrade myself to novice if I build one that floats).
> Thanks, Terry
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
> Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
I don't believe CSD carries Fishcat any more, so there's a
good chance you got your plans direct from Philip Bolger. He
will be an excellent source for info re: what to expect.
It's more economical to build just the one.
When partner with PCB, Bernie Wolfard wrote about his own:
"Fishcat is a power cat that works."
...Fishcat with only 25 hp will scoot!"
"She'll feel like she is doing 60..."
"I have fished everything from small mountain lakes to
Oregon river bars with utmost confidence"
"In the rough stuff, standing in one of the hulls provides
security and two anglers, both with heavy fish on the same
side of the boat won't cause any anxiety about flipping
over."
m
taz97355 wrote:
snip
good chance you got your plans direct from Philip Bolger. He
will be an excellent source for info re: what to expect.
It's more economical to build just the one.
When partner with PCB, Bernie Wolfard wrote about his own:
"Fishcat is a power cat that works."
...Fishcat with only 25 hp will scoot!"
"She'll feel like she is doing 60..."
"I have fished everything from small mountain lakes to
Oregon river bars with utmost confidence"
"In the rough stuff, standing in one of the hulls provides
security and two anglers, both with heavy fish on the same
side of the boat won't cause any anxiety about flipping
over."
m
taz97355 wrote:
snip
>Marine plywood with epoxy and glass adds
> up to a
> chunk of money for a design that I cannot verify as to
> being a good
> runner.(no one will fess up to having one ) I am thinking
> that if fir
> is ok then I could build a nice marine plywood and glass
> madel later.
> Thanks, Terry
Still looking over the plans and building a scale model and coming up
with more and more questions. Has anyone had experience using plain
old shop grade 1/4 inch plywood in building a Bolger boat? I keep
reading conflicting stories about checking, voids, marine grade and
on and on. Any idea on how long a boat out of 1/4 fir would last with
just paint on it? Marine plywood with epoxy and glass adds up to a
chunk of money for a design that I cannot verify as to being a good
runner.(no one will fess up to having one ) I am thinking that if fir
is ok then I could build a nice marine plywood and glass madel later.
Back to the original question, any experienced builders that have
used fir,how about a little experience sharing with this neophyte
builder, (I'll upgrade myself to novice if I build one that floats).
Thanks, Terry
with more and more questions. Has anyone had experience using plain
old shop grade 1/4 inch plywood in building a Bolger boat? I keep
reading conflicting stories about checking, voids, marine grade and
on and on. Any idea on how long a boat out of 1/4 fir would last with
just paint on it? Marine plywood with epoxy and glass adds up to a
chunk of money for a design that I cannot verify as to being a good
runner.(no one will fess up to having one ) I am thinking that if fir
is ok then I could build a nice marine plywood and glass madel later.
Back to the original question, any experienced builders that have
used fir,how about a little experience sharing with this neophyte
builder, (I'll upgrade myself to novice if I build one that floats).
Thanks, Terry
Anyone out ther that has started, finished or is thinking about the
Fishcat. I just got plans and would like to start a builders group to
help those of us that are not to experienced in boat building. Any
help out there?
Terry
Fishcat. I just got plans and would like to start a builders group to
help those of us that are not to experienced in boat building. Any
help out there?
Terry
Hi would love to chat with someone who has built a fishcat.
Bob & Sheila Wise
----------
Bob & Sheila Wise
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> From: G Carlson <ghartc@...>
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Common Sense Boats
> Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 8:38 AM
>
> > If anyone had concerns about whether or not Common Sense Boats was a
> >legitimate operation, I have just ordered and received plans from them
> >using the website and secure server. I ordered plans for "Fishcat" last
> >Tuesday evening,8/31/99, and received them today, 9/7/99.
> > Bruce
> > P.S. What's "bouncing"? Why is one memmber on the list "pe5rmanently
> >bouncing"?
>
> Good news; do they still offer some Bolger plans?
>
> It means his email address is not working. Bruce, you appear to be
> subscribed to the list, but all of your posts come to me for moderation -
> i.e. it never recognizes you. Did you subscribe?
>
> Gregg Carlson
>
>
>
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