Re: [bolger] Re: motorsailer under 20'
Well I sailed a Nimble 20 for a few years and I liked it a lot.
Definitely a simple boat. Outboard in a well was great for keeping prop
in the water but a little noisy.
Leaving the mizzen set at night kept the boat from wandering around the
anchor.
To be honest, I had no complaints with the boat except for headroom and
that the v-berth is useless for adults.
I think they did non-cored and foam cored versions. Foam cored version
(what I had) felt really strong when given the push on the side test. I'm
now more leary of foam cored boats but I didn't have any issues.
Truth-be-told I wish I had kept the boat. I thought I wanted something
bigger; now I want something smaller!
Somebody buy my boat, so I can move on to the "next boat." :-)
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was very excited. It seemed very much to my taste. Then when I saw
it, I didn't like it at all. I'm not really sure why, except that
some of the running rigging seemed crude, the rudder (thin flat
plate) seemed crude, the untapered aluminum spars seemed clunky, the
applied teak trim seemed klutzy, the cockpit seemed bathtubby. I had
doubts about the OB well. Stuff like that. I don't remember if I had
an opinion about the interior.
Nor do I remember being on a Nimble 24 at a boat show. It makes an
interesting comparison to the RobRoy 23.
I do not have credentials such that you should take my opinion about
construction, but they do seem pretty well built to me. I was put off
however by a story told by the guy in the boat at the boat show to
the effect that the boat was longer than the pre-announced length as
designed by Brewer because the hulls (or at least the first one)
changed shape a little as they came out of the mold. I guess the
topsides squeezed in a little and the loa increased by maybe an inch.
I'm a lot more realistic about fiberglass construction now than I was
then.
Now the Nimble 30 is a boat I admire greatly. It is very moderate in
every regard: displacement, beam, draft, sail area, etc. Where else
can you get a small yawl these days?
Peter (who is wondering if the Nimble 20 is a boat that was designed
without regard to whether it would show nicely at the boat show)
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Definitely a simple boat. Outboard in a well was great for keeping prop
in the water but a little noisy.
Leaving the mizzen set at night kept the boat from wandering around the
anchor.
To be honest, I had no complaints with the boat except for headroom and
that the v-berth is useless for adults.
I think they did non-cored and foam cored versions. Foam cored version
(what I had) felt really strong when given the push on the side test. I'm
now more leary of foam cored boats but I didn't have any issues.
Truth-be-told I wish I had kept the boat. I thought I wanted something
bigger; now I want something smaller!
Somebody buy my boat, so I can move on to the "next boat." :-)
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"pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@...> on 03/06/2003 06:43:18 PM
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> Not to sound like a heretic, but has anybody looked at, or seen, aYes. When the Nimble 20 was first announced, maybe 25 years ago, I
> Nimble 20 or 24?
was very excited. It seemed very much to my taste. Then when I saw
it, I didn't like it at all. I'm not really sure why, except that
some of the running rigging seemed crude, the rudder (thin flat
plate) seemed crude, the untapered aluminum spars seemed clunky, the
applied teak trim seemed klutzy, the cockpit seemed bathtubby. I had
doubts about the OB well. Stuff like that. I don't remember if I had
an opinion about the interior.
Nor do I remember being on a Nimble 24 at a boat show. It makes an
interesting comparison to the RobRoy 23.
I do not have credentials such that you should take my opinion about
construction, but they do seem pretty well built to me. I was put off
however by a story told by the guy in the boat at the boat show to
the effect that the boat was longer than the pre-announced length as
designed by Brewer because the hulls (or at least the first one)
changed shape a little as they came out of the mold. I guess the
topsides squeezed in a little and the loa increased by maybe an inch.
I'm a lot more realistic about fiberglass construction now than I was
then.
Now the Nimble 30 is a boat I admire greatly. It is very moderate in
every regard: displacement, beam, draft, sail area, etc. Where else
can you get a small yawl these days?
Peter (who is wondering if the Nimble 20 is a boat that was designed
without regard to whether it would show nicely at the boat show)
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> Not to sound like a heretic, but has anybody looked at, or seen, aYes. When the Nimble 20 was first announced, maybe 25 years ago, I
> Nimble 20 or 24?
was very excited. It seemed very much to my taste. Then when I saw
it, I didn't like it at all. I'm not really sure why, except that
some of the running rigging seemed crude, the rudder (thin flat
plate) seemed crude, the untapered aluminum spars seemed clunky, the
applied teak trim seemed klutzy, the cockpit seemed bathtubby. I had
doubts about the OB well. Stuff like that. I don't remember if I had
an opinion about the interior.
Nor do I remember being on a Nimble 24 at a boat show. It makes an
interesting comparison to the RobRoy 23.
I do not have credentials such that you should take my opinion about
construction, but they do seem pretty well built to me. I was put off
however by a story told by the guy in the boat at the boat show to
the effect that the boat was longer than the pre-announced length as
designed by Brewer because the hulls (or at least the first one)
changed shape a little as they came out of the mold. I guess the
topsides squeezed in a little and the loa increased by maybe an inch.
I'm a lot more realistic about fiberglass construction now than I was
then.
Now the Nimble 30 is a boat I admire greatly. It is very moderate in
every regard: displacement, beam, draft, sail area, etc. Where else
can you get a small yawl these days?
Peter (who is wondering if the Nimble 20 is a boat that was designed
without regard to whether it would show nicely at the boat show)
Not to sound like a heretic, but has anybody looked at, or seen, a
Nimble 20 or 24?
Regards,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
Nimble 20 or 24?
Regards,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
> Message: 22plywood over
> Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 22:54:36 -0900
> From: Harry James <welshman@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: motorsailer under 20'
>
> I would add that in building in plywood, I have found frame with
> is faster and easier than stitch and glue, which seems easier if youhavn't
> done either.
>
> HJ
>
>
> > I am not much of a boat BUILDER at all, but I do think that amateurs
> > are too fixated on the apparent easiness of ply construction
I would add that in building in plywood, I have found frame with plywood over
is faster and easier than stitch and glue, which seems easier if you havn't
done either.
HJ
is faster and easier than stitch and glue, which seems easier if you havn't
done either.
HJ
> I am not much of a boat BUILDER at all, but I do think that amateurs
> are too fixated on the apparent easiness of ply construction when
> they don't have any experience with other types. If fitting a single
> strip is easier than fitting a huge panel, as I suppose it is, then
> strip construction should be easier than ply construction. If the
> boat you want uses an other-than-ply-panel construction, then the
> best path to the boat you want may be to expand your skill set,
> rather than searching for a design in a supposedly easier
> construction.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, rgammelgd@a... wrote:
> I can't find this wonder! I went to the MAIB link - is that where
it is?
> What should I have looked under? Can anyone send me a link?
Thanks, Rosalie
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> strip planked rather than carvel. - PHVThere are lots of variations on wood construction, and they blend
> I'm not sure I know the difference ?!?!?
into each other but "carvel" generally means planks that are wider
than they are thick with caulking between planks. "Strip" means
planks that are about square in section, and glued and/or nailed
together.
I think a big difference is that carvel inherently allows for the
planks to swell as they absorb water; the caulking takes the stress.
Strip assumes the planks won't change shape. Bolger describes
planking being forced off the frames by the stress from swelling. As
such, strip is a more modern construction made possible by waterproof
glues and improved by things like epoxy that help keep the wood dry.
The downside of strip construction is that the whole hull has to be
surface finished, i.e. planed and sanded. (True also of carvel, but
there are fewer seams and they are not dripping glue.) As I
understand it, strip construction got its start in Maine where
fishermen/lobstermen used it to build their own boats. The strips
were cheaper than yacht-quality planking lumber, and the required
skill level was less.
Bolger's Resolution is carvel with cedar ceiling on the inside of the
frames, and he has often written that it is the most pleasant
construction to live with. Not an easy boat to build, however.
Somewhere Bolger wrote somewhere that there is a timber that twists
90 degress between each end and the middle, and that he was glad the
he wasn't responsible for telling Story (the builder) how to do it.
I am not much of a boat BUILDER at all, but I do think that amateurs
are too fixated on the apparent easiness of ply construction when
they don't have any experience with other types. If fitting a single
strip is easier than fitting a huge panel, as I suppose it is, then
strip construction should be easier than ply construction. If the
boat you want uses an other-than-ply-panel construction, then the
best path to the boat you want may be to expand your skill set,
rather than searching for a design in a supposedly easier
construction.
Peter
--- "pvanderwaart <pvanderw@o...>" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
I did build a strip 'planked' Kotick
experiment last year, just to learn
first hand what strip building was
like. I was pleasantly surprised
that it was soooo forgiving that it
wasn't really much harder than working
in plywood. I wonder if my experience
would scale up to a 'real boat'?
I keep coming back to my dream
of building a Resolution; which
seems fundamentally simple,
[though big].
--- rgammelgd@a... wrote:
of the magazine, which is a
*must read* for any Bolger fan.
> Not to quibble, but strip planked rather than carvel. - PHVI'm not sure I know the difference ?!?!?
I did build a strip 'planked' Kotick
experiment last year, just to learn
first hand what strip building was
like. I was pleasantly surprised
that it was soooo forgiving that it
wasn't really much harder than working
in plywood. I wonder if my experience
would scale up to a 'real boat'?
I keep coming back to my dream
of building a Resolution; which
seems fundamentally simple,
[though big].
--- rgammelgd@a... wrote:
> I can't find this wonder!I saw it in the print version
> I went to the MAIB link
of the magazine, which is a
*must read* for any Bolger fan.
There is no doubt in my mind that you are absoulutely right in this.
When he draws the lines he sees it all. I like to think I can visualize
in three d pretty good from lines drawings, but every one of his boats
that I have seen built have been unexpectedly more appealing to the eye.
HJ
When he draws the lines he sees it all. I like to think I can visualize
in three d pretty good from lines drawings, but every one of his boats
that I have seen built have been unexpectedly more appealing to the eye.
HJ
>
>My guess is that Bolger knew exactly how it would look in 3D.
>
>hal
>
>
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>
I can't find this wonder! I went to the MAIB link - is that where it is?
What should I have looked under? Can anyone send me a link? Thanks, Rosalie
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What should I have looked under? Can anyone send me a link? Thanks, Rosalie
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> It has an inboard diesel, flat bottom, carvelNot to quibble, but strip planked rather than carvel. - PHV
> construction? seemingly on plywood frames.
Hal, I'm sure you're right. I've see plywood boats that turn out to be
head-turners, and carvel-planked designs that said 'why bother'. It's the
concept and the hand of the designer that make the difference. Considering
PCB has been at it for, oh, about a half century or so, I guess he's got it
right most of the time.... <G>
David
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head-turners, and carvel-planked designs that said 'why bother'. It's the
concept and the hand of the designer that make the difference. Considering
PCB has been at it for, oh, about a half century or so, I guess he's got it
right most of the time.... <G>
David
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On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 09:50 AM, David Romasco wrote:
> Bruce, the scary thing about that article is just how seductive and
> curvaceous the finished article looks, compared to the Bolger drawing;
> no
> knock on PCB, but my, how three dimensions makes a difference!
My guess is that Bolger knew exactly how it would look in 3D.
hal
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Peter asked:
It has an inboard diesel, flat bottom, carvel
construction? seemingly on plywood frames. Yes,
Leeboards on a Catboat. 2800 pounds of lead
ballast (I recall) Bolger mentioned that it was
a similar concept to that fictional essay of
the 'divorced/ing' guy solo liveaboard in the dryout
berth behind the gas station published in BWAOM.
Beautiful (and functional) boat, for sure.
The boat pictured in MAIB took 7 years to build...
I imagine building it during a single California
winter <grin>.
> Are you both talking about the Leeboard Catboat?I guess so, I don't have the MAIB in hand.
It has an inboard diesel, flat bottom, carvel
construction? seemingly on plywood frames. Yes,
Leeboards on a Catboat. 2800 pounds of lead
ballast (I recall) Bolger mentioned that it was
a similar concept to that fictional essay of
the 'divorced/ing' guy solo liveaboard in the dryout
berth behind the gas station published in BWAOM.
Beautiful (and functional) boat, for sure.
The boat pictured in MAIB took 7 years to build...
I imagine building it during a single California
winter <grin>.
On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 09:50 AM, David Romasco wrote:
hal
> Bruce, the scary thing about that article is just how seductive andMy guess is that Bolger knew exactly how it would look in 3D.
> curvaceous the finished article looks, compared to the Bolger drawing;
> no
> knock on PCB, but my, how three dimensions makes a difference!
hal
> Bruce, the scary thing about that article is just how seductive anddrawing; no
> curvaceous the finished article looks, compared to the Bolger
> knock on PCB, but my, how three dimensions makes a difference! Itoo was
> struck by the resemblance to Jessie Cooper.Are you both talking about the Leeboard Catboat? I was amazed at how
badly I had imagined the 3D shape working from the lines plan in
BOAOM. Even when I looked back a the lines, I couldn't see it.
Humbling.
I wouldn't have considered it a motorsailer though.
I would say that the glass house version of the Chebacco would be
about the most accomodation under 20', and the Supermouse would be
the shortest overall to be considered a motorsailer.
Peter
Bruce, the scary thing about that article is just how seductive and
curvaceous the finished article looks, compared to the Bolger drawing; no
knock on PCB, but my, how three dimensions makes a difference! I too was
struck by the resemblance to Jessie Cooper.
BTW, I see you're a Texas Dory fancier too...
David Romasco
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Subject: [bolger] Re: motorsailer under 20'
--- "lvltlbts <lvltlbts@y...>" wrote:
[I am building one] but I also like
the 21'6" motorsailor in the most
recent issue of the Magazine
_Messing About in Boats_.
If fact, I am finding it almost
laughable that literally *every*
Bolger boat I see swoons me again
into dreams of building yet another
boat.
Anybody else like that new motorsailer
in MAIB?
P.S. Not mentioned yet, might be the 24'
long Jessie Cooper, a little big, but
certainly modest.
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curvaceous the finished article looks, compared to the Bolger drawing; no
knock on PCB, but my, how three dimensions makes a difference! I too was
struck by the resemblance to Jessie Cooper.
BTW, I see you're a Texas Dory fancier too...
David Romasco
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--- "lvltlbts <lvltlbts@y...>" wrote:
> looking for plans for a modest motorsailorObviously I favor the Micro Navigator
[I am building one] but I also like
the 21'6" motorsailor in the most
recent issue of the Magazine
_Messing About in Boats_.
If fact, I am finding it almost
laughable that literally *every*
Bolger boat I see swoons me again
into dreams of building yet another
boat.
Anybody else like that new motorsailer
in MAIB?
P.S. Not mentioned yet, might be the 24'
long Jessie Cooper, a little big, but
certainly modest.
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--- "lvltlbts <lvltlbts@y...>" wrote:
[I am building one] but I also like
the 21'6" motorsailor in the most
recent issue of the Magazine
_Messing About in Boats_.
If fact, I am finding it almost
laughable that literally *every*
Bolger boat I see swoons me again
into dreams of building yet another
boat.
Anybody else like that new motorsailer
in MAIB?
P.S. Not mentioned yet, might be the 24'
long Jessie Cooper, a little big, but
certainly modest.
> looking for plans for a modest motorsailorObviously I favor the Micro Navigator
[I am building one] but I also like
the 21'6" motorsailor in the most
recent issue of the Magazine
_Messing About in Boats_.
If fact, I am finding it almost
laughable that literally *every*
Bolger boat I see swoons me again
into dreams of building yet another
boat.
Anybody else like that new motorsailer
in MAIB?
P.S. Not mentioned yet, might be the 24'
long Jessie Cooper, a little big, but
certainly modest.
Chapelle, in the 1950s, designed some "camp-cruising" cuddy sharpie
skiffs with OB motor wells. FWIW.
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> looking for plans for a modest motorsailor less than 20' LOAI don't know what sort of accomodation/performance envelope you are
looking for, but here are some suggestions.
Bolger boats. PCB has called the SeaBird '86 (22') and the Storm
Petrel (16' 4") motorsailers. There are original Fast Motorsailer,
and the better known current version. There is Merlin (nee Marina
Cruiser). There is the Economy Motorsailer from The Folding Schooner.
In addition, PCB has been a leader in putting a really good ob well
in small boats which make some of his small sailboats candidates:
Micro, Long Micro, Chebacco, etc. The Catfish beach cruiser is worth
a look. (www.instantboats.com)
Other designers: You might look at MacNaughton's Silver Gull 19
(http://www.macnaughtongroup.com/silver_gull_19.htm)or Miss
Congeniality 19 (http://www.macnaughtongroup.com/miss19.htm).
Tell us which you like, and what's wrong with the others, and perhaps
we can come up with some other candidates.
Peter
How about a Micro Navigator, with beefed up construction and a more
modest rig?
DonB
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<lvltlbts@y...> wrote:
modest rig?
DonB
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<lvltlbts@y...> wrote:
> looking for plans for a modest motorsailor less than 20' LOAboats
> all of the bolger plans that i am aware of are for mucj larger
> than my needs
> any and all advise appreciated
> thanks
> bottom feede
BF:
Jim Michalak has a number of plans for small boats for power or sail:
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jim/michalak.htm
Chuck
looking for plans for a modest motorsailor less than 20' LOA
all of the bolger plans that i am aware of are for mucj larger boats
than my needs
any and all advise appreciated
thanks
bottom feede
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Jim Michalak has a number of plans for small boats for power or sail:
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jim/michalak.htm
Chuck
looking for plans for a modest motorsailor less than 20' LOA
all of the bolger plans that i am aware of are for mucj larger boats
than my needs
any and all advise appreciated
thanks
bottom feede
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
looking for plans for a modest motorsailor less than 20' LOA
all of the bolger plans that i am aware of are for mucj larger boats
than my needs
any and all advise appreciated
thanks
bottom feede
all of the bolger plans that i am aware of are for mucj larger boats
than my needs
any and all advise appreciated
thanks
bottom feede