Re: [bolger] Re: Nissan, was outboard alternator
FWIW, Tohatsu has been around as an engine builder since 1922, building outboards since 1956. Though not as
popular in the US as Honda they are quite common elsewhere in the world.
Honda's strength lies in their extensive distribution and support throughout the US. Tohatsu/Nissan parts are not widely
available yet. Fortunately, the internet has reduced the need to deal with a local shop for parts.
Doug
3/19/2003 12:00:20 AM, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
popular in the US as Honda they are quite common elsewhere in the world.
Honda's strength lies in their extensive distribution and support throughout the US. Tohatsu/Nissan parts are not widely
available yet. Fortunately, the internet has reduced the need to deal with a local shop for parts.
Doug
3/19/2003 12:00:20 AM, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>I am not much of an outboard fan, but from what I know I would say that the
>Honda is the superior motor. They have an exceptional reliability record, I
>have never met any body who has any thing bad to say about them. They are
>amazingly quiet. I have walked up to a boat at the dock where a 40 HP was
>idling, and engaged the owner in conversation for 5 min before I noticed that
>it was running.
>
>They also cost more, sometimes a lot more, and are heavier.
>
>HJ
>
>On Monday 17 March 2003 03:33 pm, you wrote:
>> I noticed in the specs that a Nissan/Tohatsu 25hp has about twice the
>> alternator output of a Honda 25.
>> Does the Nissan compare favorably with the Honda?
>> Is it as quiet?
>> It is cheaper.
>>
>> Charles
I am not much of an outboard fan, but from what I know I would say that the
Honda is the superior motor. They have an exceptional reliability record, I
have never met any body who has any thing bad to say about them. They are
amazingly quiet. I have walked up to a boat at the dock where a 40 HP was
idling, and engaged the owner in conversation for 5 min before I noticed that
it was running.
They also cost more, sometimes a lot more, and are heavier.
HJ
Honda is the superior motor. They have an exceptional reliability record, I
have never met any body who has any thing bad to say about them. They are
amazingly quiet. I have walked up to a boat at the dock where a 40 HP was
idling, and engaged the owner in conversation for 5 min before I noticed that
it was running.
They also cost more, sometimes a lot more, and are heavier.
HJ
On Monday 17 March 2003 03:33 pm, you wrote:
> I noticed in the specs that a Nissan/Tohatsu 25hp has about twice the
> alternator output of a Honda 25.
> Does the Nissan compare favorably with the Honda?
> Is it as quiet?
> It is cheaper.
>
> Charles
>
>
--- "Richard Spelling" > wrote:
on my Micro Navigator, and I
bought one of these eBay bare-
bones charge controllers. It
looks like it does the job,
though is lacks a fancy case.
$37.50 postpaid.
http://tinyurl.com/7pnl
The biggest reason is that the
only available moorage slips
in S.F. do not have AC hook-ups
and the parking situation near
the Marina sucks too. Hauling
batteries home to charge them
is worth avoiding.
> Ya, I know. I have a 6amp chargeI intend to put solar panels
> controller for my solar.
on my Micro Navigator, and I
bought one of these eBay bare-
bones charge controllers. It
looks like it does the job,
though is lacks a fancy case.
$37.50 postpaid.
http://tinyurl.com/7pnl
The biggest reason is that the
only available moorage slips
in S.F. do not have AC hook-ups
and the parking situation near
the Marina sucks too. Hauling
batteries home to charge them
is worth avoiding.
Good for you!
While John from Tohatsu said, "Only 5 amps," putting that much unregulated output into a
fully charged battery overcharges it by nearly 5% an hour. That's not good if you want to
get your money's worth or rely upon it in some critical eventuality.
And hey, the sun is both free and quiet.
Mark
Richard Spelling wrote:
While John from Tohatsu said, "Only 5 amps," putting that much unregulated output into a
fully charged battery overcharges it by nearly 5% an hour. That's not good if you want to
get your money's worth or rely upon it in some critical eventuality.
And hey, the sun is both free and quiet.
Mark
Richard Spelling wrote:
> Opted for D), none of the above. Sold alternator to a friend of mine, an boat is 100% solar now! Electrics, anyway.JohnG@...wrote:
> The charging output is not regulated, it is only a 5 amp output.
> John
> TOHATSU America Corp.
I noticed in the specs that a Nissan/Tohatsu 25hp has about twice the
alternator output of a Honda 25.
Does the Nissan compare favorably with the Honda?
Is it as quiet?
It is cheaper.
Charles
alternator output of a Honda 25.
Does the Nissan compare favorably with the Honda?
Is it as quiet?
It is cheaper.
Charles
Ya, I know. I have a 6amp charge controller for my solar.
Bought alternator kit for Nissan/Tohatsu 6hp.
I couldn't have ran the alternator and the solar into the same controller at the same time. So, running the motor on a bright summer
day would have required pulling one of them out of the circuit, or buying another charge controller.
Opted for D), none of the above. Sold alternator to a friend of mine, an boat is 100% solar now! Electrics, anyway.
Bought alternator kit for Nissan/Tohatsu 6hp.
I couldn't have ran the alternator and the solar into the same controller at the same time. So, running the motor on a bright summer
day would have required pulling one of them out of the circuit, or buying another charge controller.
Opted for D), none of the above. Sold alternator to a friend of mine, an boat is 100% solar now! Electrics, anyway.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark A." <marka@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 2:11 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: outboard alternator
> Paul,
>
> Thinking that you either have a very big stereo to use that much juice or, more probably,
> that you may have damaged the ability of your battery to hold a charge by overcharging it,
> I wrote to Nissan:
>
> > Is the alternator output regulated, or is an external charging regulator advisable?
>
>
>JohnG@...wrote:
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > The charging output is not regulated, it is only a 5 amp output.
> >
> > John
> > TOHATSU America Corp.
>
>
> prthober wrote:
> >
> > Hi Tim,
> >
> > This is the same setup I have on my Chebacco (albeit a Tohatsu 6 hp
> > four stroke which I believe is the same motor). I have the smallest
> > lead acid deep cycle battery that Hamilton Marine had. This works
> > fine for running lights, gps, and VHF, but I would be a little
> > skeptical that it would be adequate for the fridge. I also have an
> > FM/CD player installed on the boat - playing it for an extended
> > period (say Beethoven's 9th and then the Goldberg variations) without
> > the motor running will pretty much kill the battery.
> >
> > The motor drives the boat at about 5 knots at half throttle and I
> > think I can get about seven hours at that pace with a full tank of 3
> > gallons. It's not too noisy, but I wish it were quieter so that
> > listening to music would be more enjoyable when it is running.
> >
> > The motor with the alternator installed will come with two wires
> > hanging out of it - you just hook up the red to plus and the black to
> > minus.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
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Paul,
Thinking that you either have a very big stereo to use that much juice or, more probably,
that you may have damaged the ability of your battery to hold a charge by overcharging it,
I wrote to Nissan:
Thinking that you either have a very big stereo to use that much juice or, more probably,
that you may have damaged the ability of your battery to hold a charge by overcharging it,
I wrote to Nissan:
> Is the alternator output regulated, or is an external charging regulator advisable?JohnG@...wrote:
>prthober wrote:
> Mark,
>
> The charging output is not regulated, it is only a 5 amp output.
>
> John
> TOHATSU America Corp.
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> This is the same setup I have on my Chebacco (albeit a Tohatsu 6 hp
> four stroke which I believe is the same motor). I have the smallest
> lead acid deep cycle battery that Hamilton Marine had. This works
> fine for running lights, gps, and VHF, but I would be a little
> skeptical that it would be adequate for the fridge. I also have an
> FM/CD player installed on the boat - playing it for an extended
> period (say Beethoven's 9th and then the Goldberg variations) without
> the motor running will pretty much kill the battery.
>
> The motor drives the boat at about 5 knots at half throttle and I
> think I can get about seven hours at that pace with a full tank of 3
> gallons. It's not too noisy, but I wish it were quieter so that
> listening to music would be more enjoyable when it is running.
>
> The motor with the alternator installed will come with two wires
> hanging out of it - you just hook up the red to plus and the black to
> minus.
>
> Paul
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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> I wish someone could clear up what's what.No chance. We had a speaker at my yacht club on the subject of
outboards and he confirmed the fact posted here a while ago that the
newest 2-strokes are meeting the same pollution and noise standards
as the 4-strokes. He also described how manufacturers will fill a
weak spot in their product line by re-branding another's engine for a
year or so while they get another product ready.
Peter
I wish someone could clear up what's what. I've got a 2002 model 15HP-4stroke Mercury which looks suspiciously like the Tohatsu 15-4, but the engine block looks and is painted exactly like a Yamaha. I was told Yammie and Merc shared the same blocks on their 4-strokes with each supplying their own lower units and electrics. The motor does run good, though. I took it out the other day for the first time in two months where it started on the first pull.
Didn't Suzuki supply OMC with their four stroke technology before they went belly up? And what's Bombardier doing with the JohnsonRude four strokes now they've taken over?
Nissan and Tohatsu's small two-strokes used to be the same motors. I've no idea what's going on with them these days.
-------Original Message-------
From: Doug Harrison <prototype@...>
Sent: 03/17/03 01:26 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Nissan, was outboard alternator
least one other US outboard (Evinrude?) that
puts their name on the single cylinder Tohatsu. The US engine designs
are the ones I have a probem with as they are
awfull to work on. Perhaps this is not a problem with the newer engines.
I'm told that Yamaha designs most of them.
Doug
Didn't Suzuki supply OMC with their four stroke technology before they went belly up? And what's Bombardier doing with the JohnsonRude four strokes now they've taken over?
Nissan and Tohatsu's small two-strokes used to be the same motors. I've no idea what's going on with them these days.
-------Original Message-------
From: Doug Harrison <prototype@...>
Sent: 03/17/03 01:26 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Nissan, was outboard alternator
>Yes, the smaller mercurys are Tohatsu, as are the Nissans. There is at
> 3/17/2003 11:59:46 AM, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@...> wrote:
>Different models of Mercurys are sourced from different
>manufacturers, especially the smaller ones. My 5hp seems to be the
>same as the equivalent Nissan, and the rumor was that they were both
>built by Tohatsu.
>
least one other US outboard (Evinrude?) that
puts their name on the single cylinder Tohatsu. The US engine designs
are the ones I have a probem with as they are
awfull to work on. Perhaps this is not a problem with the newer engines.
I'm told that Yamaha designs most of them.
Doug
3/17/2003 11:59:46 AM, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@...> wrote:
puts their name on the single cylinder Tohatsu. The US engine designs are the ones I have a probem with as they are
awfull to work on. Perhaps this is not a problem with the newer engines. I'm told that Yamaha designs most of them.
Doug
>Different models of Mercurys are sourced from differentYes, the smaller mercurys are Tohatsu, as are the Nissans. There is at least one other US outboard (Evinrude?) that
>manufacturers, especially the smaller ones. My 5hp seems to be the
>same as the equivalent Nissan, and the rumor was that they were both
>built by Tohatsu.
>
puts their name on the single cylinder Tohatsu. The US engine designs are the ones I have a probem with as they are
awfull to work on. Perhaps this is not a problem with the newer engines. I'm told that Yamaha designs most of them.
Doug
> Having workied on a Mercury sterndrive and a MercuryDifferent models of Mercurys are sourced from different
> outboard I can say I will never own another one.
manufacturers, especially the smaller ones. My 5hp seems to be the
same as the equivalent Nissan, and the rumor was that they were both
built by Tohatsu. I chose the Mercury because of good price and
service at the local dealer. No major problems in about 5 years of
service.
Peter
I second. I bought the 6hp because it was the same weight, and only slightly more expensive than the 4hp.
LOVE IT.
Got the high thrust prop, no extra charge.
LOVE IT.
Got the high thrust prop, no extra charge.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Harrison" <prototype@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 1:34 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Nissan, was outboard alternator
> I just looked over the Nissan outboard line this weekend at a BoatUS store. The 4, 5, and 6hp are basically the same
> engine with different tuning specs. The 4hp also has an integral fuel tank. The 9.9, 15 and 18hp are also a common
> engine.
>
> The design and workmanship of these motors is first-rate. Having workied on a Mercury sterndrive and a Mercury
> outboard I can say I will never own another one.
>
> Nissans are available over the internet for substantial discount.
>
> Doug
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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>
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>
>
I just looked over the Nissan outboard line this weekend at a BoatUS store. The 4, 5, and 6hp are basically the same
engine with different tuning specs. The 4hp also has an integral fuel tank. The 9.9, 15 and 18hp are also a common
engine.
The design and workmanship of these motors is first-rate. Having workied on a Mercury sterndrive and a Mercury
outboard I can say I will never own another one.
Nissans are available over the internet for substantial discount.
Doug
engine with different tuning specs. The 4hp also has an integral fuel tank. The 9.9, 15 and 18hp are also a common
engine.
The design and workmanship of these motors is first-rate. Having workied on a Mercury sterndrive and a Mercury
outboard I can say I will never own another one.
Nissans are available over the internet for substantial discount.
Doug
Hi Tim,
This is the same setup I have on my Chebacco (albeit a Tohatsu 6 hp
four stroke which I believe is the same motor). I have the smallest
lead acid deep cycle battery that Hamilton Marine had. This works
fine for running lights, gps, and VHF, but I would be a little
skeptical that it would be adequate for the fridge. I also have an
FM/CD player installed on the boat - playing it for an extended
period (say Beethoven's 9th and then the Goldberg variations) without
the motor running will pretty much kill the battery.
The motor drives the boat at about 5 knots at half throttle and I
think I can get about seven hours at that pace with a full tank of 3
gallons. It's not too noisy, but I wish it were quieter so that
listening to music would be more enjoyable when it is running.
The motor with the alternator installed will come with two wires
hanging out of it - you just hook up the red to plus and the black to
minus.
Paul
This is the same setup I have on my Chebacco (albeit a Tohatsu 6 hp
four stroke which I believe is the same motor). I have the smallest
lead acid deep cycle battery that Hamilton Marine had. This works
fine for running lights, gps, and VHF, but I would be a little
skeptical that it would be adequate for the fridge. I also have an
FM/CD player installed on the boat - playing it for an extended
period (say Beethoven's 9th and then the Goldberg variations) without
the motor running will pretty much kill the battery.
The motor drives the boat at about 5 knots at half throttle and I
think I can get about seven hours at that pace with a full tank of 3
gallons. It's not too noisy, but I wish it were quieter so that
listening to music would be more enjoyable when it is running.
The motor with the alternator installed will come with two wires
hanging out of it - you just hook up the red to plus and the black to
minus.
Paul
p.s.
If you scrap the fridge, you'll have plenty of power using the Nissan and a single deep
cycle battery.
If the total draw is limited to 5a, you can run about 15 hours without charging and run
directly off the engine for any length emergency. 10 amps draw, which would make your
Chebbaco light up like a supertanker, gets you down to about 7 hours. That's the limit for
efficient use of a single battery. A battery the gives 5a for 20 hours (100% discharge )
will give 17.5 a for just 4 hours.
timk_smith wrote:
What parts
If you scrap the fridge, you'll have plenty of power using the Nissan and a single deep
cycle battery.
If the total draw is limited to 5a, you can run about 15 hours without charging and run
directly off the engine for any length emergency. 10 amps draw, which would make your
Chebbaco light up like a supertanker, gets you down to about 7 hours. That's the limit for
efficient use of a single battery. A battery the gives 5a for 20 hours (100% discharge )
will give 17.5 a for just 4 hours.
timk_smith wrote:
What parts
> would it take? How should it be configured?
>
> --Tim.
Tim,
You can only start by sitting down with a catalog, then adding up the electrical
requirements for each particular piece of equipment you want, then buy an alternator to
match. 5 amps is not a lot to play with.
The smallest DC fridges I find quickly draw 3 - 5 amps all by themselves. Though lights
don't use much individually, they add up fast. To minimize the lighting draw, investigate
LEDs. Surprisingly, the plug in GPS receivers pull only .5 - .8 a.
The Nissan output is enough to charge a single battery, but needs a charge controller in
the circuit so you don't overdo it. ($200+)
Charging both by alternator and a solar panel it isn't primitive, consult a qualified
marine electrician or put in some study to avoid expensive errors.
Cheers,
Mark
timk_smith wrote:
You can only start by sitting down with a catalog, then adding up the electrical
requirements for each particular piece of equipment you want, then buy an alternator to
match. 5 amps is not a lot to play with.
The smallest DC fridges I find quickly draw 3 - 5 amps all by themselves. Though lights
don't use much individually, they add up fast. To minimize the lighting draw, investigate
LEDs. Surprisingly, the plug in GPS receivers pull only .5 - .8 a.
The Nissan output is enough to charge a single battery, but needs a charge controller in
the circuit so you don't overdo it. ($200+)
Charging both by alternator and a solar panel it isn't primitive, consult a qualified
marine electrician or put in some study to avoid expensive errors.
Cheers,
Mark
timk_smith wrote:
>
> Bolgeristas,
>
> I'm planning to repower my Chebacco, and I find that Nissan
> offers a 6-horse outboard (four-stroke) with an optional
> alternator. This is a manual-start engine; the juice is not for
> keeping a starting-motor charged. On the options list it comes
> under the heading "lighting." It's rated at 12V 60W 5A.
>
> I'd like to have a primitive electrical system aboard, enough to
> power running lights, GPS, maybe a small DC fridge. Is this the
> answer? Could I hook this up to a deep-cycle battery, maybe
> with the addition of a solar panel for charging at the mooring,
> and make it the basis of a simple electrical system? What parts
> would it take? How should it be configured?
>
> --Tim.
Bolgeristas,
I'm planning to repower my Chebacco, and I find that Nissan
offers a 6-horse outboard (four-stroke) with an optional
alternator. This is a manual-start engine; the juice is not for
keeping a starting-motor charged. On the options list it comes
under the heading "lighting." It's rated at 12V 60W 5A.
I'd like to have a primitive electrical system aboard, enough to
power running lights, GPS, maybe a small DC fridge. Is this the
answer? Could I hook this up to a deep-cycle battery, maybe
with the addition of a solar panel for charging at the mooring,
and make it the basis of a simple electrical system? What parts
would it take? How should it be configured?
--Tim.
I'm planning to repower my Chebacco, and I find that Nissan
offers a 6-horse outboard (four-stroke) with an optional
alternator. This is a manual-start engine; the juice is not for
keeping a starting-motor charged. On the options list it comes
under the heading "lighting." It's rated at 12V 60W 5A.
I'd like to have a primitive electrical system aboard, enough to
power running lights, GPS, maybe a small DC fridge. Is this the
answer? Could I hook this up to a deep-cycle battery, maybe
with the addition of a solar panel for charging at the mooring,
and make it the basis of a simple electrical system? What parts
would it take? How should it be configured?
--Tim.