Re: First Gypsy
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "fanthonywhite" <medipak@e...> wrote:
and like most I wanted something different. I'm not a sailor but I do
like to row and use a electric trolling motor. So I left out the
center board, mast partner, rudder, etc. I also installed frames on 1
1/2 ft centers. I did install #3 bulkhead and decked it. filled the
cavite with foam flotation. I also installed a storage box with hatch
in that bow area. In the stern I put two foam flotation boxes one on
each side. I installed two row lock stations. I like that little
boat, its a little tender, but I'll build another for fishing.
Wes
> I have just received plans to build my first boat, Bolger's Gypsy.to
>
> I'd like to hear from people who have made changes to the plans or
> Peyton's chapter on how to build the boat.help
>
> Fortunately I have two friends with boat building experience to
> me get it done "right", hopefully the first time.I built a Gypsy last year from Payson's book. It was my first boat
>
> Thanks for your suggestions.
and like most I wanted something different. I'm not a sailor but I do
like to row and use a electric trolling motor. So I left out the
center board, mast partner, rudder, etc. I also installed frames on 1
1/2 ft centers. I did install #3 bulkhead and decked it. filled the
cavite with foam flotation. I also installed a storage box with hatch
in that bow area. In the stern I put two foam flotation boxes one on
each side. I installed two row lock stations. I like that little
boat, its a little tender, but I'll build another for fishing.
Wes
<It's not something I had planned on but it sounds like an excellent
idea. Did you also deck the areas around the "cockpit"?>
Yes, I did - the side decks are about eight inches wide and I
incorporated oar storage hooks into the deck supports as I could not
store the oars forward as shown in the plans. I would probably make
the cockpit larger than I did as the boat is rather cozy with two
aboard.
Paul
idea. Did you also deck the areas around the "cockpit"?>
Yes, I did - the side decks are about eight inches wide and I
incorporated oar storage hooks into the deck supports as I could not
store the oars forward as shown in the plans. I would probably make
the cockpit larger than I did as the boat is rather cozy with two
aboard.
Paul
Good luck on your gypsy!
I built my gypsy last year and my wife actually went out with me a
couple of times. I don't think she will ever love sailing, but she
did feel safe and secure a'board. The gypsy is a little tender in
rowboat mode or when sitting still. Under sail she hardens up just
fine. Personally I actually like her slightly tender nature when
things get a little rougher.
Visithttp://www.oneoceankayaks.com/kayakpick.htmto discover why.
Hint: about half way down the page there is a discussion on primary
vs secondary stability and how it affects "ride quality" in rough
waters.
Brent
I built my gypsy last year and my wife actually went out with me a
couple of times. I don't think she will ever love sailing, but she
did feel safe and secure a'board. The gypsy is a little tender in
rowboat mode or when sitting still. Under sail she hardens up just
fine. Personally I actually like her slightly tender nature when
things get a little rougher.
Visithttp://www.oneoceankayaks.com/kayakpick.htmto discover why.
Hint: about half way down the page there is a discussion on primary
vs secondary stability and how it affects "ride quality" in rough
waters.
Brent
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "connorboats" <jcconnor@s...> wrote:
> Thanks for the comments. The wife has decided that decking and
> flotation foam inserts would be a wonderful idea. She was worried
> about the boat being tippy and I thnk your comments have allayed
some
> of her concerns. All I can say is, "Thanks, man", she may actually
> go sailing in it with me now!!
>
> John
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jack&Lois" <jalo@i...> wrote:
> > Good luck on the Gypsy. My experience with Bolger boats (three so
> far) is
> > that every feature, regardless of how strange it may seem, has a
> purpose.
> > Any change you make will affect that purpose. Often that affect
is
> minor and
> > the advantage you gain with the change worth the effort. I agree
> with
> > decking Gypsy fore and aft for sailing. But if you make the
forward
> section
> > a water tight compartment you'll loose the elegant oar stowage,
> unless you
Thanks for the comments. The wife has decided that decking and
flotation foam inserts would be a wonderful idea. She was worried
about the boat being tippy and I thnk your comments have allayed some
of her concerns. All I can say is, "Thanks, man", she may actually
go sailing in it with me now!!
John
flotation foam inserts would be a wonderful idea. She was worried
about the boat being tippy and I thnk your comments have allayed some
of her concerns. All I can say is, "Thanks, man", she may actually
go sailing in it with me now!!
John
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jack&Lois" <jalo@i...> wrote:
> Good luck on the Gypsy. My experience with Bolger boats (three so
far) is
> that every feature, regardless of how strange it may seem, has a
purpose.
> Any change you make will affect that purpose. Often that affect is
minor and
> the advantage you gain with the change worth the effort. I agree
with
> decking Gypsy fore and aft for sailing. But if you make the forward
section
> a water tight compartment you'll loose the elegant oar stowage,
unless you
Good luck on the Gypsy. My experience with Bolger boats (three so far) is
that every feature, regardless of how strange it may seem, has a purpose.
Any change you make will affect that purpose. Often that affect is minor and
the advantage you gain with the change worth the effort. I agree with
decking Gypsy fore and aft for sailing. But if you make the forward section
a water tight compartment you'll loose the elegant oar stowage, unless you
build into the design elaborate sealed slots for your oar blades. I did
fully enclose the area astern the aft bulkhead and filled it with flotation
foam. I carved out a little compartment at the forward end of the foam and
installed a 9" threaded hatch cover, so I have a place to stow wallet and/or
camera, or keep a bottle of Chardannay well chilled. The forward bulkhead I
configured exactly per plan, so it's not water tight. I installed a hatch
cover there as well and inserted a small inner tube in the space. I then
inflated it to a point that will not interfere with the oar blades. I've yet
to dump her under sail, so I hope my measures will suffice to keep her from
floating like a deformed biforcation bouy if she does flip. I've seen a
picture on the web of a Gypsy quite fully decked with substantial coamings.
It looked like a serious day sailor, but I have some concern about adding
that much weight topside and the compromise to easy rowing. For me the need
for constant vigilance and lively live balast manouvering while sailing in
a good wind and waves is part Gypsy's charm. She's not as tender as she
looks and corrects her trim very quickly with subtle body shift (not that I
havn't scooped up a fair amount of water from time to time). If you're
interested I'll share my experience with increased sail (72 sq. ft.) when
you get further along. I used 3/8" underlay plywood, which is heavier and
stiffer than marine. Consequently tack and tape was a non-starter. I
resorted to stitch and glue, which worked fine, but was more time consuming.
Gypsy is a graceful beauty that never fails to draw admiration. All the
best.
jeb, on a glorious spring morning on the shores of Fundy, logging off to go
triple the bottom thickness of my orphaned Micro (speaking of making changes
to design...)
that every feature, regardless of how strange it may seem, has a purpose.
Any change you make will affect that purpose. Often that affect is minor and
the advantage you gain with the change worth the effort. I agree with
decking Gypsy fore and aft for sailing. But if you make the forward section
a water tight compartment you'll loose the elegant oar stowage, unless you
build into the design elaborate sealed slots for your oar blades. I did
fully enclose the area astern the aft bulkhead and filled it with flotation
foam. I carved out a little compartment at the forward end of the foam and
installed a 9" threaded hatch cover, so I have a place to stow wallet and/or
camera, or keep a bottle of Chardannay well chilled. The forward bulkhead I
configured exactly per plan, so it's not water tight. I installed a hatch
cover there as well and inserted a small inner tube in the space. I then
inflated it to a point that will not interfere with the oar blades. I've yet
to dump her under sail, so I hope my measures will suffice to keep her from
floating like a deformed biforcation bouy if she does flip. I've seen a
picture on the web of a Gypsy quite fully decked with substantial coamings.
It looked like a serious day sailor, but I have some concern about adding
that much weight topside and the compromise to easy rowing. For me the need
for constant vigilance and lively live balast manouvering while sailing in
a good wind and waves is part Gypsy's charm. She's not as tender as she
looks and corrects her trim very quickly with subtle body shift (not that I
havn't scooped up a fair amount of water from time to time). If you're
interested I'll share my experience with increased sail (72 sq. ft.) when
you get further along. I used 3/8" underlay plywood, which is heavier and
stiffer than marine. Consequently tack and tape was a non-starter. I
resorted to stitch and glue, which worked fine, but was more time consuming.
Gypsy is a graceful beauty that never fails to draw admiration. All the
best.
jeb, on a glorious spring morning on the shores of Fundy, logging off to go
triple the bottom thickness of my orphaned Micro (speaking of making changes
to design...)
I'm working on a Gypsy as well and really appreciated your comments.
It's not something I had planned on but it sounds like an excellent
idea. Did you also deck the areas around the "cockpit"?
Thanks,
John
It's not something I had planned on but it sounds like an excellent
idea. Did you also deck the areas around the "cockpit"?
Thanks,
John
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prthober" <prthober@y...> wrote:
> Anthony,
>
> Good luck on your Gypsy. My first boat build also was a Gypsy and I
> was very pleased with the outcome.
>
> I mostly followed Mr. Payson's directions and had no real problem
> doing so. His books are excellent. I built my Nymph from the book
> without a set of plans, also with no trouble.
>
> As far as modifications to the design, I would recommend decking
the
> boat if you intend to sail it - I decked mine and I have often had
> the gunwale under water - without the decking I would have gone
> swimming much more often. I made the area aft of the last frame and
> forward of the mast water-tight compartments. This enables self
> rescue in virtually any condition that you should be out sailing in
a
> Gypsy.
>
> If you search the archives of this group you will find quite a bit
of
> information about the Gypsy and also some interesting links. In
> addition, check out Smallboats and Boatdesign groups.
>
> Keep us posted on your progress.
>
> Paul
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "fanthonywhite" <medipak@e...> wrote:
> > I have just received plans to build my first boat, Bolger's Gypsy.
> >
> > I'd like to hear from people who have made changes to the plans
or
> to
> > Peyton's chapter on how to build the boat.
> >
> > Fortunately I have two friends with boat building experience to
> help
> > me get it done "right", hopefully the first time.
> >
> > Thanks for your suggestions.
I'm working on my first, a Gypsy also. I've stuck with the plans so
far and just about have all the wood cut out. Let me know how things
go.
Good luck,
John
far and just about have all the wood cut out. Let me know how things
go.
Good luck,
John
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "fanthonywhite" <medipak@e...> wrote:
> I have just received plans to build my first boat, Bolger's Gypsy.
>
> I'd like to hear from people who have made changes to the plans or
to
> Peyton's chapter on how to build the boat.
>
> Fortunately I have two friends with boat building experience to
help
> me get it done "right", hopefully the first time.
>
> Thanks for your suggestions.
Anthony,
Good luck on your Gypsy. My first boat build also was a Gypsy and I
was very pleased with the outcome.
I mostly followed Mr. Payson's directions and had no real problem
doing so. His books are excellent. I built my Nymph from the book
without a set of plans, also with no trouble.
As far as modifications to the design, I would recommend decking the
boat if you intend to sail it - I decked mine and I have often had
the gunwale under water - without the decking I would have gone
swimming much more often. I made the area aft of the last frame and
forward of the mast water-tight compartments. This enables self
rescue in virtually any condition that you should be out sailing in a
Gypsy.
If you search the archives of this group you will find quite a bit of
information about the Gypsy and also some interesting links. In
addition, check out Smallboats and Boatdesign groups.
Keep us posted on your progress.
Paul
Good luck on your Gypsy. My first boat build also was a Gypsy and I
was very pleased with the outcome.
I mostly followed Mr. Payson's directions and had no real problem
doing so. His books are excellent. I built my Nymph from the book
without a set of plans, also with no trouble.
As far as modifications to the design, I would recommend decking the
boat if you intend to sail it - I decked mine and I have often had
the gunwale under water - without the decking I would have gone
swimming much more often. I made the area aft of the last frame and
forward of the mast water-tight compartments. This enables self
rescue in virtually any condition that you should be out sailing in a
Gypsy.
If you search the archives of this group you will find quite a bit of
information about the Gypsy and also some interesting links. In
addition, check out Smallboats and Boatdesign groups.
Keep us posted on your progress.
Paul
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "fanthonywhite" <medipak@e...> wrote:
> I have just received plans to build my first boat, Bolger's Gypsy.
>
> I'd like to hear from people who have made changes to the plans or
to
> Peyton's chapter on how to build the boat.
>
> Fortunately I have two friends with boat building experience to
help
> me get it done "right", hopefully the first time.
>
> Thanks for your suggestions.
I have just received plans to build my first boat, Bolger's Gypsy.
I'd like to hear from people who have made changes to the plans or to
Peyton's chapter on how to build the boat.
Fortunately I have two friends with boat building experience to help
me get it done "right", hopefully the first time.
Thanks for your suggestions.
I'd like to hear from people who have made changes to the plans or to
Peyton's chapter on how to build the boat.
Fortunately I have two friends with boat building experience to help
me get it done "right", hopefully the first time.
Thanks for your suggestions.