Re: [bolger] Battery question
FROM TERRY LESH: (terrylesh33@...)
Look at www.motionpro.com . They have extensive research on restoring batteries. They sell a recharging-restoring charger for about $60.00. This is an impulse charger that restores batteries by curing the sulphation deposits on the cell plates. I had the same problem, and my solution was to use a charger I already had that has a high amp pulsing circuit . My deep cycle battery went dry during the winter on a trickle charger and I did not check the water level. I replentished the water with distilled water (mandatory), and pulsed the charge over a period of two weeks, checking the water level everyday. It steamed, gurgled, spit, foamed and made a big mess which I cleaned up everyday with soda water. After a while it settled down and took full charge from the high amp charger. I put it back on the the trickle charger, and it has been taking that just fine. It worked fine during my last outing.
prthober <prthober@...> wrote:My battery is driving me to distraction and I was hoping someone at
one of these lists would be able to help me. Here's the situation:
I have a deep cycle battery, lead acid, I don't know the size in AH,
but it was the smallest of the type I could find when I bought it
last summer. It measures about 7" x 8" x 10" and weighs 50 to 60 lb.
I have a Tohatsu 6 hp outboard with the optional alternator that I
attempt to charge it with.
The battery has never seemed to hold much of a charge even when brand
new. Yesterday I checked most everything I could think of:
1. Checked the cells to insure that there is sufficient water -
plates are all covered.
2. Charged it for about three hours. Alternator voltage to the
battery was about 13.1 VDC.
3. Battery open circuit voltage before charging was 11.8 VDC.
4. Battery open circuit voltage immediately after charging was 12.4
VDC.
5. Battery open circuit voltage 12 hours after charging was 11.9 VDC.
6. I checked the load on the battery with everything on the boat
turned off, but with the alternator still connected and measured 0 ma.
Now after listing all this I think I will try charging it and then
completely disconnecting and see if I get the same drop in voltage.
I'm not quite at wit's end yet.
I would appreciate any suggestions, tips, advice, effective prayers,
deep breathing exercises, etc. that anyone would care to share with
me. Thanks so much.
Paul Thober
aboard the Chebacco Samantha
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Look at www.motionpro.com . They have extensive research on restoring batteries. They sell a recharging-restoring charger for about $60.00. This is an impulse charger that restores batteries by curing the sulphation deposits on the cell plates. I had the same problem, and my solution was to use a charger I already had that has a high amp pulsing circuit . My deep cycle battery went dry during the winter on a trickle charger and I did not check the water level. I replentished the water with distilled water (mandatory), and pulsed the charge over a period of two weeks, checking the water level everyday. It steamed, gurgled, spit, foamed and made a big mess which I cleaned up everyday with soda water. After a while it settled down and took full charge from the high amp charger. I put it back on the the trickle charger, and it has been taking that just fine. It worked fine during my last outing.
prthober <prthober@...> wrote:My battery is driving me to distraction and I was hoping someone at
one of these lists would be able to help me. Here's the situation:
I have a deep cycle battery, lead acid, I don't know the size in AH,
but it was the smallest of the type I could find when I bought it
last summer. It measures about 7" x 8" x 10" and weighs 50 to 60 lb.
I have a Tohatsu 6 hp outboard with the optional alternator that I
attempt to charge it with.
The battery has never seemed to hold much of a charge even when brand
new. Yesterday I checked most everything I could think of:
1. Checked the cells to insure that there is sufficient water -
plates are all covered.
2. Charged it for about three hours. Alternator voltage to the
battery was about 13.1 VDC.
3. Battery open circuit voltage before charging was 11.8 VDC.
4. Battery open circuit voltage immediately after charging was 12.4
VDC.
5. Battery open circuit voltage 12 hours after charging was 11.9 VDC.
6. I checked the load on the battery with everything on the boat
turned off, but with the alternator still connected and measured 0 ma.
Now after listing all this I think I will try charging it and then
completely disconnecting and see if I get the same drop in voltage.
I'm not quite at wit's end yet.
I would appreciate any suggestions, tips, advice, effective prayers,
deep breathing exercises, etc. that anyone would care to share with
me. Thanks so much.
Paul Thober
aboard the Chebacco Samantha
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You must deep charge this battery first. You need a commercial grade
battery charger that will go to the 14.5 volts under load. This is
to break down the sufpher on the plates. Many car repair shops will
do this for next to nothing. I don't hold out much hope. If the
battery was discharged and left outdoors this winter there could be
an intermittent or high resistance short internally. This can be
caused by the plates getting distorted if the battery froze. If the
battery has a bit of a bulged look ...that may be your answer.
The last time that I had to deal with a badly sulphated battery, it
took several hours to charge it with a charger that cost loads of $$$.
Your also need to check the voltage of the alternator at the battery
as well as at the output stud on the alternator. If you do this as
it is running, the difference should be less than .3 volts.
Also, check for voltage drops across the alternator wire. The way to
do this is to put the meter on the output stud on the alternator and
the positive stud of the battery. If you get more than .3 volts
either the connectors or the wires are suspect.
Also do the same to the grounds. Check the battery to ground and
also check the alternator case to ground also check the alternator
case to battery negative.
battery charger that will go to the 14.5 volts under load. This is
to break down the sufpher on the plates. Many car repair shops will
do this for next to nothing. I don't hold out much hope. If the
battery was discharged and left outdoors this winter there could be
an intermittent or high resistance short internally. This can be
caused by the plates getting distorted if the battery froze. If the
battery has a bit of a bulged look ...that may be your answer.
The last time that I had to deal with a badly sulphated battery, it
took several hours to charge it with a charger that cost loads of $$$.
Your also need to check the voltage of the alternator at the battery
as well as at the output stud on the alternator. If you do this as
it is running, the difference should be less than .3 volts.
Also, check for voltage drops across the alternator wire. The way to
do this is to put the meter on the output stud on the alternator and
the positive stud of the battery. If you get more than .3 volts
either the connectors or the wires are suspect.
Also do the same to the grounds. Check the battery to ground and
also check the alternator case to ground also check the alternator
case to battery negative.
It is possible that you have a bad battery and 13.1 volts is all the
charger can hold while trying to charge it. All the suggestions for
checking have been good, but bottom line is for whatever reason, 13.1 volts
is not enough.
HJ
The battery has never seemed to hold much of a charge even when brand
new. Yesterday I checked most everything I could think of:
2. Charged it for about three hours. Alternator voltage to the
battery was about 13.1 VDC.
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charger can hold while trying to charge it. All the suggestions for
checking have been good, but bottom line is for whatever reason, 13.1 volts
is not enough.
HJ
The battery has never seemed to hold much of a charge even when brand
new. Yesterday I checked most everything I could think of:
2. Charged it for about three hours. Alternator voltage to the
battery was about 13.1 VDC.
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Trying with the battery isolated is a good idea.
Step 2 is test the specific gravity of each cell to single out a bad one. You can use one
of the $2 floating ball gizmos from the auto store.
Mark
prthober wrote:
Step 2 is test the specific gravity of each cell to single out a bad one. You can use one
of the $2 floating ball gizmos from the auto store.
Mark
prthober wrote:
>
> My battery is driving me to distraction and I was hoping someone at
> one of these lists would be able to help me. Here's the situation:
This just happen to me on my car. The battery was 4 months old with the
exact same problems and measurements. It would start the car if it was
driven every day but if the car set for more than 3 days, it would just
barely have enough charge to start the engine.
I went back to the Batteries Plus store and put it on their load tester and
determined the battery was faulty. They replaced it for no charge. This was
the first problem I've ever had in 30 years with a new battery but I guess
it happens.
Jeff
exact same problems and measurements. It would start the car if it was
driven every day but if the car set for more than 3 days, it would just
barely have enough charge to start the engine.
I went back to the Batteries Plus store and put it on their load tester and
determined the battery was faulty. They replaced it for no charge. This was
the first problem I've ever had in 30 years with a new battery but I guess
it happens.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "prthober" <prthober@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 8:57 AM
Subject: [bolger] Battery question
> My battery is driving me to distraction and I was hoping someone at
> one of these lists would be able to help me. Here's the situation:
>
> I have a deep cycle battery, lead acid, I don't know the size in AH,
> but it was the smallest of the type I could find when I bought it
> last summer. It measures about 7" x 8" x 10" and weighs 50 to 60 lb.
> I have a Tohatsu 6 hp outboard with the optional alternator that I
> attempt to charge it with.
>
> The battery has never seemed to hold much of a charge even when brand
> new. Yesterday I checked most everything I could think of:
>
> 1. Checked the cells to insure that there is sufficient water -
> plates are all covered.
>
> 2. Charged it for about three hours. Alternator voltage to the
> battery was about 13.1 VDC.
>
> 3. Battery open circuit voltage before charging was 11.8 VDC.
>
> 4. Battery open circuit voltage immediately after charging was 12.4
> VDC.
>
> 5. Battery open circuit voltage 12 hours after charging was 11.9 VDC.
>
> 6. I checked the load on the battery with everything on the boat
> turned off, but with the alternator still connected and measured 0 ma.
>
> Now after listing all this I think I will try charging it and then
> completely disconnecting and see if I get the same drop in voltage.
> I'm not quite at wit's end yet.
>
> I would appreciate any suggestions, tips, advice, effective prayers,
> deep breathing exercises, etc. that anyone would care to share with
> me. Thanks so much.
>
> Paul Thober
>
> aboard the Chebacco Samantha
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>
>
Sounds like charging voltage is not high enough. It takes the pressure of the voltage to force the chemical change in the battery. Try a higher speed on the alternator drive source. Otherwise, your battery may have sulfated and has become resistant to charge. Give it a heavier charge at a shoreside station. make sure the source is capable of 14.5 volts.
----- Original Message -----
From: prthober
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 9:57 AM
Subject: [bolger] Battery question
My battery is driving me to distraction and I was hoping someone at
one of these lists would be able to help me. Here's the situation:
I have a deep cycle battery, lead acid, I don't know the size in AH,
but it was the smallest of the type I could find when I bought it
last summer. It measures about 7" x 8" x 10" and weighs 50 to 60 lb.
I have a Tohatsu 6 hp outboard with the optional alternator that I
attempt to charge it with.
The battery has never seemed to hold much of a charge even when brand
new. Yesterday I checked most everything I could think of:
1. Checked the cells to insure that there is sufficient water -
plates are all covered.
2. Charged it for about three hours. Alternator voltage to the
battery was about 13.1 VDC.
3. Battery open circuit voltage before charging was 11.8 VDC.
4. Battery open circuit voltage immediately after charging was 12.4
VDC.
5. Battery open circuit voltage 12 hours after charging was 11.9 VDC.
6. I checked the load on the battery with everything on the boat
turned off, but with the alternator still connected and measured 0 ma.
Now after listing all this I think I will try charging it and then
completely disconnecting and see if I get the same drop in voltage.
I'm not quite at wit's end yet.
I would appreciate any suggestions, tips, advice, effective prayers,
deep breathing exercises, etc. that anyone would care to share with
me. Thanks so much.
Paul Thober
aboard the Chebacco Samantha
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ADVERTISEMENT
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My battery is driving me to distraction and I was hoping someone at
one of these lists would be able to help me. Here's the situation:
I have a deep cycle battery, lead acid, I don't know the size in AH,
but it was the smallest of the type I could find when I bought it
last summer. It measures about 7" x 8" x 10" and weighs 50 to 60 lb.
I have a Tohatsu 6 hp outboard with the optional alternator that I
attempt to charge it with.
The battery has never seemed to hold much of a charge even when brand
new. Yesterday I checked most everything I could think of:
1. Checked the cells to insure that there is sufficient water -
plates are all covered.
2. Charged it for about three hours. Alternator voltage to the
battery was about 13.1 VDC.
3. Battery open circuit voltage before charging was 11.8 VDC.
4. Battery open circuit voltage immediately after charging was 12.4
VDC.
5. Battery open circuit voltage 12 hours after charging was 11.9 VDC.
6. I checked the load on the battery with everything on the boat
turned off, but with the alternator still connected and measured 0 ma.
Now after listing all this I think I will try charging it and then
completely disconnecting and see if I get the same drop in voltage.
I'm not quite at wit's end yet.
I would appreciate any suggestions, tips, advice, effective prayers,
deep breathing exercises, etc. that anyone would care to share with
me. Thanks so much.
Paul Thober
aboard the Chebacco Samantha
one of these lists would be able to help me. Here's the situation:
I have a deep cycle battery, lead acid, I don't know the size in AH,
but it was the smallest of the type I could find when I bought it
last summer. It measures about 7" x 8" x 10" and weighs 50 to 60 lb.
I have a Tohatsu 6 hp outboard with the optional alternator that I
attempt to charge it with.
The battery has never seemed to hold much of a charge even when brand
new. Yesterday I checked most everything I could think of:
1. Checked the cells to insure that there is sufficient water -
plates are all covered.
2. Charged it for about three hours. Alternator voltage to the
battery was about 13.1 VDC.
3. Battery open circuit voltage before charging was 11.8 VDC.
4. Battery open circuit voltage immediately after charging was 12.4
VDC.
5. Battery open circuit voltage 12 hours after charging was 11.9 VDC.
6. I checked the load on the battery with everything on the boat
turned off, but with the alternator still connected and measured 0 ma.
Now after listing all this I think I will try charging it and then
completely disconnecting and see if I get the same drop in voltage.
I'm not quite at wit's end yet.
I would appreciate any suggestions, tips, advice, effective prayers,
deep breathing exercises, etc. that anyone would care to share with
me. Thanks so much.
Paul Thober
aboard the Chebacco Samantha