Re: Enlarging plans from payson's book
I've both bought plans and built from Payson's book. I don't think it
is too big a deal either way. My first two boats, a Gypsy and a
Chebacco I bought the plans (as well as the sails) from Mr. Payson.
My Nymph I built from the book as I had no question about being able
to do so. For a first time builder or for the more elaborate boats I
think the plans are well worth the money spent and the eyestrain
avoided. Good luck.
Paul Thober
Aboard the Samantha, Elizabeth City, NC
is too big a deal either way. My first two boats, a Gypsy and a
Chebacco I bought the plans (as well as the sails) from Mr. Payson.
My Nymph I built from the book as I had no question about being able
to do so. For a first time builder or for the more elaborate boats I
think the plans are well worth the money spent and the eyestrain
avoided. Good luck.
Paul Thober
Aboard the Samantha, Elizabeth City, NC
I built the Nymph from the book, and I don't feel bad about it at
all. Payson mentions in the book that you could build from the book,
and simply indicates that most would prefer the plans (easier to
read).
If they didn't want you to build from the book, they could have left
out key dimensions.
As to practicality, If you don't mind being patient and careful, it
ought to work fine. I was patient and careful in doing my layouts,
and the boat went together just like it was supposed to.
gbb
all. Payson mentions in the book that you could build from the book,
and simply indicates that most would prefer the plans (easier to
read).
If they didn't want you to build from the book, they could have left
out key dimensions.
As to practicality, If you don't mind being patient and careful, it
ought to work fine. I was patient and careful in doing my layouts,
and the boat went together just like it was supposed to.
gbb
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, andy wilson <and46y@y...> wrote:
>
> Seems to come down to a moral,versus a legal question. 35 dollars
isn't a fortune to feel good about things but if you are flat broke
and saving salvage lumber from the town dump,then I expect any
reasonable designer would say "go build that boat" and understand
your situation. Am I way off target in this? Andy
> dbaldnz <oink@p...> wrote:I cannot agree with you at all about
this David.
> The book shows full plans, schedule of materials,full building
> instructions, and is clearly intended to be built from.
> I don't know why one would need to purchase larger copies, because
> the book is very clear, except for expensive wallpaper.
> Payson has received payment from the sale of the books, and has
> chosen to be reimbursed that way.
> I would not have the slightest hesitation about building from his
> book.
> Also, some of Bolgers early books were clearly mean't to be used
for
> building, and there are references scattered through them
confirming
> that he expected this.
> DonB
>
> > Do yourself, Payson, and Bolger a favor; buy the plans for $35
> bucks.
> > It's the right thing to do, and it'll save you a lot of hassle.
> >
> > YIBB,
> >
> > David
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Andy, I can't see any reason for this having a moral side.
Payson published a book of boat plans you can build, and you paid
him for that right when you bought it. (the only reason he suggests
in the frontespiece for buying the plan, is if you want to scale
from the plans)
Whether Payson is cuddly or not, as some suggest, I don't see it has
any relevance.
If the book was a catalogue of plans, that would be a different
matter.
It would be sad if anyone felt guilt after building from the book.
DonB
Payson published a book of boat plans you can build, and you paid
him for that right when you bought it. (the only reason he suggests
in the frontespiece for buying the plan, is if you want to scale
from the plans)
Whether Payson is cuddly or not, as some suggest, I don't see it has
any relevance.
If the book was a catalogue of plans, that would be a different
matter.
It would be sad if anyone felt guilt after building from the book.
DonB
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, andy wilson <and46y@y...> wrote:
>
> Seems to come down to a moral,versus a legal question. 35 dollars
isn't a fortune to feel good about things but if you are flat broke
and saving salvage lumber from the town dump,then I expect any
reasonable designer would say "go build that boat" and understand
your situation. Am I way off target in this? Andy
> dbaldnz <oink@p...> wrote:I cannot agree with you at all about
this David.
> The book shows full plans, schedule of materials,full building
> instructions, and is clearly intended to be built from.
> I don't know why one would need to purchase larger copies, because
> the book is very clear, except for expensive wallpaper.
> Payson has received payment from the sale of the books, and has
> chosen to be reimbursed that way.
> I would not have the slightest hesitation about building from his
> book.
> Also, some of Bolgers early books were clearly mean't to be used
for
> building, and there are references scattered through them
confirming
> that he expected this.
> DonB
>
> > Do yourself, Payson, and Bolger a favor; buy the plans for $35
> bucks.
> > It's the right thing to do, and it'll save you a lot of hassle.
> >
> > YIBB,
> >
> > David
> > --
> >
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> > 415 W.46th Street
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> Payson has received payment from the sale of the books, and hasI called Payson once and mentioned that a couple of measurements were missing in his book. He replied, "If I put the measurements all in I wouldn't be able to sell the plans." I sent for the plans. He's a kind and gentle person.
> chosen to be reimbursed that way.
> I would not have the slightest hesitation about building from his
> book.
I like paying for the plans since it encourages designers to design more boats.
Reed
As I remember them, every Payson book said you could build from the book.
Suggested it might be easier to order the plans, but it wasn't necessary.
Don't see any moral dilemma there. OTOH, I bought plans for the Teal when I
was contemplation building one.
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Capt'n Pauley Video Productions
S/V Bryn Awel, Columbia 10.7
Bristol, Tenn. USA
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Suggested it might be easier to order the plans, but it wasn't necessary.
Don't see any moral dilemma there. OTOH, I bought plans for the Teal when I
was contemplation building one.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "andy wilson" <and46y@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Enlarging plans from payson's book
>
> Seems to come down to a moral,versus a legal question. 35 dollars isn't a
fortune to feel good about things but if you are flat broke and saving
salvage lumber from the town dump,then I expect any reasonable designer
would say "go build that boat" and understand your situation. Am I way off
target in this? Andy
> dbaldnz <oink@...> wrote:I cannot agree with you at all about
this David.
> The book shows full plans, schedule of materials,full building
> instructions, and is clearly intended to be built from.
> I don't know why one would need to purchase larger copies, because
> the book is very clear, except for expensive wallpaper.
> Payson has received payment from the sale of the books, and has
> chosen to be reimbursed that way.
> I would not have the slightest hesitation about building from his
> book.
> Also, some of Bolgers early books were clearly mean't to be used for
> building, and there are references scattered through them confirming
> that he expected this.
> DonB
>
> > Do yourself, Payson, and Bolger a favor; buy the plans for $35
> bucks.
> > It's the right thing to do, and it'll save you a lot of hassle.
> >
> > YIBB,
> >
> > David
> > --
> >
> > C.E.P.
> > 415 W.46th Street
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Seems to come down to a moral,versus a legal question. 35 dollars isn't a fortune to feel good about things but if you are flat broke and saving salvage lumber from the town dump,then I expect any reasonable designer would say "go build that boat" and understand your situation. Am I way off target in this? Andy
dbaldnz <oink@...> wrote:I cannot agree with you at all about this David.
The book shows full plans, schedule of materials,full building
instructions, and is clearly intended to be built from.
I don't know why one would need to purchase larger copies, because
the book is very clear, except for expensive wallpaper.
Payson has received payment from the sale of the books, and has
chosen to be reimbursed that way.
I would not have the slightest hesitation about building from his
book.
Also, some of Bolgers early books were clearly mean't to be used for
building, and there are references scattered through them confirming
that he expected this.
DonB
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dbaldnz <oink@...> wrote:I cannot agree with you at all about this David.
The book shows full plans, schedule of materials,full building
instructions, and is clearly intended to be built from.
I don't know why one would need to purchase larger copies, because
the book is very clear, except for expensive wallpaper.
Payson has received payment from the sale of the books, and has
chosen to be reimbursed that way.
I would not have the slightest hesitation about building from his
book.
Also, some of Bolgers early books were clearly mean't to be used for
building, and there are references scattered through them confirming
that he expected this.
DonB
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You won't be able to get them to any scale (or, at least, it's not
worth the effort). Enlarge them as much as practical and determine
the scale you got from any dimension. Use simple proportations to
scale any other dimensions you want.
Gregg
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worth the effort). Enlarge them as much as practical and determine
the scale you got from any dimension. Use simple proportations to
scale any other dimensions you want.
Gregg
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "jonathanwrourk" <jonathanwrourk@y...>
wrote:
> I have the paysons book the new instant boat and want to builddiablo
> from the plans provided. What diminsions should I have them blownup
> to so that they will be to scale? I also thought about blowing aidea.
> copy up to larger that scla to make the model. Is this a bad
> Also, thanks to everyone for responding to my other post it really
> helped me.
I cannot agree with you at all about this David.
The book shows full plans, schedule of materials,full building
instructions, and is clearly intended to be built from.
I don't know why one would need to purchase larger copies, because
the book is very clear, except for expensive wallpaper.
Payson has received payment from the sale of the books, and has
chosen to be reimbursed that way.
I would not have the slightest hesitation about building from his
book.
Also, some of Bolgers early books were clearly mean't to be used for
building, and there are references scattered through them confirming
that he expected this.
DonB
The book shows full plans, schedule of materials,full building
instructions, and is clearly intended to be built from.
I don't know why one would need to purchase larger copies, because
the book is very clear, except for expensive wallpaper.
Payson has received payment from the sale of the books, and has
chosen to be reimbursed that way.
I would not have the slightest hesitation about building from his
book.
Also, some of Bolgers early books were clearly mean't to be used for
building, and there are references scattered through them confirming
that he expected this.
DonB
> Do yourself, Payson, and Bolger a favor; buy the plans for $35bucks.
> It's the right thing to do, and it'll save you a lot of hassle.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
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>
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> 415 W.46th Street
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They don't discourage you from building straight from the book. I
think right or wrong doesn't belong in this discusion. The plans
aren't full size or anything, you still have to expand and fair the
shapes onto the panels. There isn't any information witheld on the
plans in the book. I can see the numbers clearly enough, there is
one panel that you have to discover for yourself whichever way you
build.
think right or wrong doesn't belong in this discusion. The plans
aren't full size or anything, you still have to expand and fair the
shapes onto the panels. There isn't any information witheld on the
plans in the book. I can see the numbers clearly enough, there is
one panel that you have to discover for yourself whichever way you
build.
First, I agree with the other posts, spring for the plans. It is
better to build from a good set of plans.
OTOH I built most of my boats from enlargements from the books. Scale
is unimportant. Just blow them up until you can read the numbers for
the layouts. LAyout the panels and frames, and have at 'em.
Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
better to build from a good set of plans.
OTOH I built most of my boats from enlargements from the books. Scale
is unimportant. Just blow them up until you can read the numbers for
the layouts. LAyout the panels and frames, and have at 'em.
Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
Anything you enlarge on a photocopier will not be
consistent and will be no good for taking off
measurements. Photocopiers are NOT accurate enough and
they actually can distort the image.
Get the plans. You won't regret it.
On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:30:07 -0000
"jonathanwrourk" <jonathanwrourk@...> wrote:
consistent and will be no good for taking off
measurements. Photocopiers are NOT accurate enough and
they actually can distort the image.
Get the plans. You won't regret it.
On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:30:07 -0000
"jonathanwrourk" <jonathanwrourk@...> wrote:
>I have the paysons book the new instant boat and want to
>build diablo
>from the plans provided. What diminsions should I have
>them blown up
>to so that they will be to scale? I also thought about
>blowing a
>copy up to larger that scla to make the model. Is this a
>bad idea.
>Also, thanks to everyone for responding to my other post
>it really
>helped me.
>
>
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>I have the paysons book the new instant boat and want to build diabloDo yourself, Payson, and Bolger a favor; buy the plans for $35 bucks.
>from the plans provided. What diminsions should I have them blown up
>to so that they will be to scale? I also thought about blowing a
>copy up to larger that scla to make the model. Is this a bad idea.
>Also, thanks to everyone for responding to my other post it really
>helped me.
It's the right thing to do, and it'll save you a lot of hassle.
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Take an architects scale with you to the copy center. Play with the
enlarging ratio until it matches a convenient scale on the rule.
Paul W. Esterle
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enlarging ratio until it matches a convenient scale on the rule.
Paul W. Esterle
Small Craft Advisor Technical Editor
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From: "jonathanwrourk" <jonathanwrourk@...>
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Subject: [bolger] Enlarging plans from payson's book
> I have the paysons book the new instant boat and want to build diablo
> from the plans provided. What diminsions should I have them blown up
> to so that they will be to scale? I also thought about blowing a
> copy up to larger that scla to make the model. Is this a bad idea.
> Also, thanks to everyone for responding to my other post it really
> helped me.
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
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01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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I have the paysons book the new instant boat and want to build diablo
from the plans provided. What diminsions should I have them blown up
to so that they will be to scale? I also thought about blowing a
copy up to larger that scla to make the model. Is this a bad idea.
Also, thanks to everyone for responding to my other post it really
helped me.
from the plans provided. What diminsions should I have them blown up
to so that they will be to scale? I also thought about blowing a
copy up to larger that scla to make the model. Is this a bad idea.
Also, thanks to everyone for responding to my other post it really
helped me.