Re: [bolger] Sanding Masts
I rigged up the contraption shown below to sand the mast of my sailing
skiff. In the event, it didn't work because the mast wasn't straight or
round (it might have still been OK, but I couldn't resist trying high-speed
on the drill press <g>).
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/files/ToolTime/OddStuff/SparLathe/
The head and tail stock were left over from when I needed a new handle for
some lopping shears and had no lathe, but did have some 2x4s and 1/2"
all-thread. I successfully made the handle, and a few other things, before I
got ahold of a real lathe. For some reason (OK, I know the reason, I hate to
throw anything away!) the head and tailstock gathered dust in my garden shed
until inspiration struck again.
skiff. In the event, it didn't work because the mast wasn't straight or
round (it might have still been OK, but I couldn't resist trying high-speed
on the drill press <g>).
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/files/ToolTime/OddStuff/SparLathe/
The head and tail stock were left over from when I needed a new handle for
some lopping shears and had no lathe, but did have some 2x4s and 1/2"
all-thread. I successfully made the handle, and a few other things, before I
got ahold of a real lathe. For some reason (OK, I know the reason, I hate to
throw anything away!) the head and tailstock gathered dust in my garden shed
until inspiration struck again.
On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:20:31 -0400, David Romasco wrote:
> ...
> On a slightly more serious note, have you considered turning the masts
> rather than the sandpaper? It may take some rigging and a blessing from St.
> Rube (Goldberg), but it can and has been done.
>...
> Have any of you got a scheme for easy (easier?) finishing of a mast
> once it's been planed more or less round?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Spelling" <richard@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Sanding Masts
> Ya, pay a teenager to do it.
>
> Or, better yet, build a mast sanding lathe.
>
> Seriously. It only has to work once. Use scrap wood for everthing, including the bearings. Throw some oil on the bearing wood to
> make it last the hour or so you need it for. Use a motor and belt from anything.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 7:52 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Sanding Masts
>
>
> > FBBB,
> >
> > I just put the Light Scooner Margaret Ellen back on her float, and a
> > week too early it seems, as it's forecast to blow 30+ out of the
> > Northeast tomorrow night. I'll have to try on get her back up the
> > creek on tomorrow morning's high tide.
> >
> > At any rate, she looks fine riding on her mooring, and she'd look
> > finer if I put a proper finish on her masts. I've tried several times
> > to sand them by hand, but it's slow, discouraging work. I tried to
> > rig an inverted belt with a drill and rubber drum, but that didn't
> > work very well either.
> >
> > Have any of you got a scheme for easy (easier?) finishing of a mast
> > once it's been planed more or less round?
> >
> > YIBB,
> >
> > David
> > --
> >
> > C.E.P.
> > 415 W.46th Street
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> I do recall seeing a monstrous ancient mast lathe at Mysticseaport, with a bed built on railroad tracks to adjust the setup
length. Would love to see it in operation, but it's doubtful they'd
let the public anywhere near when they chock in a 100' tree trunk and
fire that beast up!
It seems to me that I did see it running once. They were making a
replacement yard for a tall ship that broke one on her way to NYC.
Perhaps in was 1976.
Given the momentum of a rotating tree, the rotation speed would have
to be low.
Peter
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Lefebvre" <paul@w...> wrote:
Definitely not a good idea at 300rpm. You will encounter something
called critical speed where the pole starts whipping. Without a
center support this could be as low as 50rpm or less.
A steady rest in the center will raise critical speed by a factor of
four.
As was mentioned in another post, a makeshift lathe would not be hard
to cobble from wood.
Doug
> What has kept me from trying this is the speed of these machines -not being
> true lathes and slightly older than I am, their lowest speed isprobably
> around 300 rpm or so, no slow startup like modern lathes. I worryabout
> spinning a long pole at that speed. Can anyone experienced withmast lathes
> tell me if this may be safe? I don't want launch my 26' mainmastinto orbit.........
Definitely not a good idea at 300rpm. You will encounter something
called critical speed where the pole starts whipping. Without a
center support this could be as low as 50rpm or less.
A steady rest in the center will raise critical speed by a factor of
four.
As was mentioned in another post, a makeshift lathe would not be hard
to cobble from wood.
Doug
Very timely thread for me, as I'm shaping spars for my Micro right now.
Already shaped the 8-sided birdsmouth mizzen boom by hand with a power
planer and bench-mounted belt sander, the work went fast but I'm not totally
satisfied with the result - it's pretty hard to get it perfectly round with
hand tools. I tried Payson's inverted sanding belt with a spindle, but
couldn't get it to work well for me. I do own two identical 1953 Shopsmith
machines, wonderful cast-iron, 1 hp swiss-army knives which among other
things can be made into lathes. It wouldn't be hard to rig them up in tandem
using the motor from one and the bearing of the other some distance away -
maybe jury-rig some skate-wheel supports midway to keep things from sagging.
What has kept me from trying this is the speed of these machines - not being
true lathes and slightly older than I am, their lowest speed is probably
around 300 rpm or so, no slow startup like modern lathes. I worry about
spinning a long pole at that speed. Can anyone experienced with mast lathes
tell me if this may be safe? I don't want launch my 26' mainmast into orbit
around my basement, could do alot of damage..... But it's easy to imagine
taking the power planer to a spinning mast and making very short work of
rounding it, with just a final sanding needed. Also loved the tip on the
rotisserie varnish job, John - I'm gonna start watching for one of those
motors at the metal pile on my weekly dump run!
I do recall seeing a monstrous ancient mast lathe at Mystic seaport, with a
bed built on railroad tracks to adjust the setup length. Would love to see
it in operation, but it's doubtful they'd let the public anywhere near when
they chock in a 100' tree trunk and fire that beast up! It did convince me
it can be done, just left me wondering about the specifics.....
thanks
Paul Lefebvre, happy to have his Micro project back in full swing, after a
very long winter.
Already shaped the 8-sided birdsmouth mizzen boom by hand with a power
planer and bench-mounted belt sander, the work went fast but I'm not totally
satisfied with the result - it's pretty hard to get it perfectly round with
hand tools. I tried Payson's inverted sanding belt with a spindle, but
couldn't get it to work well for me. I do own two identical 1953 Shopsmith
machines, wonderful cast-iron, 1 hp swiss-army knives which among other
things can be made into lathes. It wouldn't be hard to rig them up in tandem
using the motor from one and the bearing of the other some distance away -
maybe jury-rig some skate-wheel supports midway to keep things from sagging.
What has kept me from trying this is the speed of these machines - not being
true lathes and slightly older than I am, their lowest speed is probably
around 300 rpm or so, no slow startup like modern lathes. I worry about
spinning a long pole at that speed. Can anyone experienced with mast lathes
tell me if this may be safe? I don't want launch my 26' mainmast into orbit
around my basement, could do alot of damage..... But it's easy to imagine
taking the power planer to a spinning mast and making very short work of
rounding it, with just a final sanding needed. Also loved the tip on the
rotisserie varnish job, John - I'm gonna start watching for one of those
motors at the metal pile on my weekly dump run!
I do recall seeing a monstrous ancient mast lathe at Mystic seaport, with a
bed built on railroad tracks to adjust the setup length. Would love to see
it in operation, but it's doubtful they'd let the public anywhere near when
they chock in a 100' tree trunk and fire that beast up! It did convince me
it can be done, just left me wondering about the specifics.....
thanks
Paul Lefebvre, happy to have his Micro project back in full swing, after a
very long winter.
Ya, pay a teenager to do it.
Or, better yet, build a mast sanding lathe.
Seriously. It only has to work once. Use scrap wood for everthing, including the bearings. Throw some oil on the bearing wood to
make it last the hour or so you need it for. Use a motor and belt from anything.
Or, better yet, build a mast sanding lathe.
Seriously. It only has to work once. Use scrap wood for everthing, including the bearings. Throw some oil on the bearing wood to
make it last the hour or so you need it for. Use a motor and belt from anything.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 7:52 PM
Subject: [bolger] Sanding Masts
> FBBB,
>
> I just put the Light Scooner Margaret Ellen back on her float, and a
> week too early it seems, as it's forecast to blow 30+ out of the
> Northeast tomorrow night. I'll have to try on get her back up the
> creek on tomorrow morning's high tide.
>
> At any rate, she looks fine riding on her mooring, and she'd look
> finer if I put a proper finish on her masts. I've tried several times
> to sand them by hand, but it's slow, discouraging work. I tried to
> rig an inverted belt with a drill and rubber drum, but that didn't
> work very well either.
>
> Have any of you got a scheme for easy (easier?) finishing of a mast
> once it's been planed more or less round?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
> --
>
> C.E.P.
> 415 W.46th Street
> New York, New York 10036
>http://www.crumblingempire.com
> Mobile (646) 325-8325
> Office (212) 247-0296
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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David,
Buy a cheap small orbital sander with a soft pad then take a wood
dowel with coarse sandpaper and imprint a curved shape in the pad.
You can buy a skill sander at The Dome Hepot for about fifteen
dollars and it will save hours of work.
After all that find an old barbeque rotisserie attachment and attach
it to the base of your mast or spar. make some type of bearing for
the other end and place news print under the whole mess. Now apply a
thick coat of epoxy and start the rotisserie, any excess will drip to
the news print but the mast will look like a work of art without
brush strokes or imperfections. I have done it a lot and it works
very well. You could also cover the mast with 1 OZ. cloth and give it
more strength and with my method you wouldn't notice the cloth.
John
Buy a cheap small orbital sander with a soft pad then take a wood
dowel with coarse sandpaper and imprint a curved shape in the pad.
You can buy a skill sander at The Dome Hepot for about fifteen
dollars and it will save hours of work.
After all that find an old barbeque rotisserie attachment and attach
it to the base of your mast or spar. make some type of bearing for
the other end and place news print under the whole mess. Now apply a
thick coat of epoxy and start the rotisserie, any excess will drip to
the news print but the mast will look like a work of art without
brush strokes or imperfections. I have done it a lot and it works
very well. You could also cover the mast with 1 OZ. cloth and give it
more strength and with my method you wouldn't notice the cloth.
John
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> >Something else you might try is to get a nice long sanding
> >belt, cut it and fix handles to the ends. Then walk up and
> >down the mast whipping the belt over it (bit like the old
> >shoe polishers). Do great things for your biceps :-)
>
> Been there, done that, folks on the beach admire the results.
(People
> admire the masts on the boat too.)
>
> I'm looking for something I can plug in.
>
>
> --
>
> C.E.P.
> 415 W.46th Street
> New York, New York 10036
>http://www.crumblingempire.com
> Mobile (646) 325-8325
> Office (212) 247-0296
Never done a mast, but I remember polishing the prop shat on a 300
foot freighter. We had it set up on sawhorses on the aft deck. Tore
off strips of sandpaper about 3 feet long from a really huge roll.
And wrapped them around shaft once, then a crew of 4 or 5 bos'ns
sanded the length of the shaft by pulling/relaxing and alternating
on the strips. It doesn't translate well in text, but it was
basically a parbucle, once around the shat. It set up a really
effective motion. I imagine the same thing, run around a drum on a
power drill would be pretty quick.
Jason is right, we had a couple of cases of beer (the ONE
indispensible boatbuilding supply) and when the beer was gone the
shaft was done.
Bruce Hector
former bos'n and second cook on the MV Atlanteen
Last ship in Kingston's drydock.
foot freighter. We had it set up on sawhorses on the aft deck. Tore
off strips of sandpaper about 3 feet long from a really huge roll.
And wrapped them around shaft once, then a crew of 4 or 5 bos'ns
sanded the length of the shaft by pulling/relaxing and alternating
on the strips. It doesn't translate well in text, but it was
basically a parbucle, once around the shat. It set up a really
effective motion. I imagine the same thing, run around a drum on a
power drill would be pretty quick.
Jason is right, we had a couple of cases of beer (the ONE
indispensible boatbuilding supply) and when the beer was gone the
shaft was done.
Bruce Hector
former bos'n and second cook on the MV Atlanteen
Last ship in Kingston's drydock.
>Something else you might try is to get a nice long sandingBeen there, done that, folks on the beach admire the results. (People
>belt, cut it and fix handles to the ends. Then walk up and
>down the mast whipping the belt over it (bit like the old
>shoe polishers). Do great things for your biceps :-)
admire the masts on the boat too.)
I'm looking for something I can plug in.
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415 W.46th Street
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Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
I used a 21" sanding belt that I cut to make a long piece of tough
sandpaper. I held one end in each hand, set the work up on sawhorses
and just went at it. I worked up a good sweat, but it didn't take
long to finish four spars -- only a few hours. Wearing gloves saved
the knuckles from being sanded off, and of course I had to sand with
the grain to finish. I used regular paper sheets for that, cut in
two and folded 3 times to get a good size. I think all the sandpaper
was 80 grit, although I may have finished off with 100.
Don't forget the beer breaks.
Jamie Orr
sandpaper. I held one end in each hand, set the work up on sawhorses
and just went at it. I worked up a good sweat, but it didn't take
long to finish four spars -- only a few hours. Wearing gloves saved
the knuckles from being sanded off, and of course I had to sand with
the grain to finish. I used regular paper sheets for that, cut in
two and folded 3 times to get a good size. I think all the sandpaper
was 80 grit, although I may have finished off with 100.
Don't forget the beer breaks.
Jamie Orr
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> FBBB,
>
> I just put the Light Scooner Margaret Ellen back on her float, and
a
> week too early it seems, as it's forecast to blow 30+ out of the
> Northeast tomorrow night. I'll have to try on get her back up the
> creek on tomorrow morning's high tide.
>
> At any rate, she looks fine riding on her mooring, and she'd look
> finer if I put a proper finish on her masts. I've tried several
times
> to sand them by hand, but it's slow, discouraging work. I tried to
> rig an inverted belt with a drill and rubber drum, but that didn't
> work very well either.
>
> Have any of you got a scheme for easy (easier?) finishing of a mast
> once it's been planed more or less round?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
> --
>
> C.E.P.
> 415 W.46th Street
> New York, New York 10036
>http://www.crumblingempire.com
> Mobile (646) 325-8325
> Office (212) 247-0296
> On a slightly more serious note, have you considered turning the mastsI have heard of sparmakers that do this. Basically you rotate the
> rather than the sandpaper?
mast and then you walk up and down it with an inverted sanding
belt.
Something else you might try is to get a nice long sanding
belt, cut it and fix handles to the ends. Then walk up and
down the mast whipping the belt over it (bit like the old
shoe polishers). Do great things for your biceps :-)
Bruce Fountain
Well David, other than a curved scraper (which, BTW, will deliver a smoother
finish than you'd believe) there's always the two infallible boat
maintenance tools: checkbook and telephone... <G>
On a slightly more serious note, have you considered turning the masts
rather than the sandpaper? It may take some rigging and a blessing from St.
Rube (Goldberg), but it can and has been done.
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: David Ryan [mailto:david@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 8:52 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Sanding Masts
FBBB,
I just put the Light Scooner Margaret Ellen back on her float, and a
week too early it seems, as it's forecast to blow 30+ out of the
Northeast tomorrow night. I'll have to try on get her back up the
creek on tomorrow morning's high tide.
At any rate, she looks fine riding on her mooring, and she'd look
finer if I put a proper finish on her masts. I've tried several times
to sand them by hand, but it's slow, discouraging work. I tried to
rig an inverted belt with a drill and rubber drum, but that didn't
work very well either.
Have any of you got a scheme for easy (easier?) finishing of a mast
once it's been planed more or less round?
YIBB,
David
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http://www.crumblingempire.com
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finish than you'd believe) there's always the two infallible boat
maintenance tools: checkbook and telephone... <G>
On a slightly more serious note, have you considered turning the masts
rather than the sandpaper? It may take some rigging and a blessing from St.
Rube (Goldberg), but it can and has been done.
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: David Ryan [mailto:david@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 8:52 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Sanding Masts
FBBB,
I just put the Light Scooner Margaret Ellen back on her float, and a
week too early it seems, as it's forecast to blow 30+ out of the
Northeast tomorrow night. I'll have to try on get her back up the
creek on tomorrow morning's high tide.
At any rate, she looks fine riding on her mooring, and she'd look
finer if I put a proper finish on her masts. I've tried several times
to sand them by hand, but it's slow, discouraging work. I tried to
rig an inverted belt with a drill and rubber drum, but that didn't
work very well either.
Have any of you got a scheme for easy (easier?) finishing of a mast
once it's been planed more or less round?
YIBB,
David
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FBBB,
I just put the Light Scooner Margaret Ellen back on her float, and a
week too early it seems, as it's forecast to blow 30+ out of the
Northeast tomorrow night. I'll have to try on get her back up the
creek on tomorrow morning's high tide.
At any rate, she looks fine riding on her mooring, and she'd look
finer if I put a proper finish on her masts. I've tried several times
to sand them by hand, but it's slow, discouraging work. I tried to
rig an inverted belt with a drill and rubber drum, but that didn't
work very well either.
Have any of you got a scheme for easy (easier?) finishing of a mast
once it's been planed more or less round?
YIBB,
David
--
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415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
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Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
I just put the Light Scooner Margaret Ellen back on her float, and a
week too early it seems, as it's forecast to blow 30+ out of the
Northeast tomorrow night. I'll have to try on get her back up the
creek on tomorrow morning's high tide.
At any rate, she looks fine riding on her mooring, and she'd look
finer if I put a proper finish on her masts. I've tried several times
to sand them by hand, but it's slow, discouraging work. I tried to
rig an inverted belt with a drill and rubber drum, but that didn't
work very well either.
Have any of you got a scheme for easy (easier?) finishing of a mast
once it's been planed more or less round?
YIBB,
David
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C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296