Re: Fuel Tanks
> Thanks for all the input from the group.Jeff,
>
> Jeff
>
Check with the EAA - Experimental Aircraft Assoc. - www.eaa.org
Fiberglass/foam/epoxy tanks are rather common in homebuilt and
kit built aircraft. There is a lot of experience there in composite
construction.
Charles
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
fuel tank manufacturers (I cannot remember which, but it was a very
well known name) would not guarantee the integrity of their tanks.
The poster had a crack in one of the seams and, although brand new,
the mfg would not replace it.
It doesn't sound believable, but check before buying
wrote:
> Adapt a diesel o/b to run on Rust Check and corroding tanks will beI have read, a while ago, a post that said that one of the plastic
> the least of your problems.
fuel tank manufacturers (I cannot remember which, but it was a very
well known name) would not guarantee the integrity of their tanks.
The poster had a crack in one of the seams and, although brand new,
the mfg would not replace it.
It doesn't sound believable, but check before buying
You know they make flux core welding wire for stainless?
(takes a bunch of amps, unless you cheat...)
(takes a bunch of amps, unless you cheat...)
----- Original Message -----
From: "jeff" <boatbuilding@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Fuel Tanks
> Would mild steel work okay for fuel? Salt air?
>
> I certainly can weld it up but did not think it would work. I've heard so
> much about rusting tanks.
>
> Anyone know any different?
>
> Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Spelling" <richard@...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 2:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Fuel Tanks
>
>
> > So, Jeff, you have a welder. You weld your own trailers up.
> >
> > Why don't you make your tank out of sheet metal?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jeff" <boatbuilding@...>
> > To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Fuel Tanks
> >
> >
> > > Funny thing is that they didn't show up on any of my searches. I assume
> > > because their front page doesn't mention fuel tanks.
> > >
> > > Anyway, thanks for the link, I'll print out their catalog.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <welshman@...>
> > > To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 12:43 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Fuel Tanks
> > >
> > >
> > > > Jeff
> > > >
> > > > I know your pretty good at research on line. Have you done a complete
> > > > search for ready mades that would fit your measurements?
> > > >
> > > > Its hard to believe that Ronco Plastics with 400 tanks doesn't have
> one
> > > > that is close.
> > > >
> > > > HJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I was thinking Coast Guard rules and regs but after looking of the
> link
> > > that
> > > > was sent, there is very little to worry about other than common sense.
> I
> > > > had not thought of making them removable. That would solve a lot of
> the
> > > > degradation issues if they where to come up. Also, there are some
> > > products
> > > > out there that will allow your to coat the interior of the tanks to
> help
> > > in
> > > > the protection from Methanol / Alcohol problems.
> > > >
> > > > I like the idea of simple rectangular tanks that I could lift out
> should I
> > > > have problems. Coast Guard regs simply have more to do with
> ventilation
> > > and
> > > > the tank connections. Not the tank itself.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for all the input from the group.
> > > >
> > > > Jeff
> > > >
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Would mild steel work okay for fuel? Salt air?
I certainly can weld it up but did not think it would work. I've heard so
much about rusting tanks.
Anyone know any different?
Jeff
I certainly can weld it up but did not think it would work. I've heard so
much about rusting tanks.
Anyone know any different?
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Spelling" <richard@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Fuel Tanks
> So, Jeff, you have a welder. You weld your own trailers up.
>
> Why don't you make your tank out of sheet metal?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jeff" <boatbuilding@...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Fuel Tanks
>
>
> > Funny thing is that they didn't show up on any of my searches. I assume
> > because their front page doesn't mention fuel tanks.
> >
> > Anyway, thanks for the link, I'll print out their catalog.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <welshman@...>
> > To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 12:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Fuel Tanks
> >
> >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > I know your pretty good at research on line. Have you done a complete
> > > search for ready mades that would fit your measurements?
> > >
> > > Its hard to believe that Ronco Plastics with 400 tanks doesn't have
one
> > > that is close.
> > >
> > > HJ
> > >
> > >
> > > I was thinking Coast Guard rules and regs but after looking of the
link
> > that
> > > was sent, there is very little to worry about other than common sense.
I
> > > had not thought of making them removable. That would solve a lot of
the
> > > degradation issues if they where to come up. Also, there are some
> > products
> > > out there that will allow your to coat the interior of the tanks to
help
> > in
> > > the protection from Methanol / Alcohol problems.
> > >
> > > I like the idea of simple rectangular tanks that I could lift out
should I
> > > have problems. Coast Guard regs simply have more to do with
ventilation
> > and
> > > the tank connections. Not the tank itself.
> > >
> > > Thanks for all the input from the group.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
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Adapt a diesel o/b to run on Rust Check and corroding tanks will be
the least of your problems.
the least of your problems.
>aluminum, plus flexible bladder tanks too. I got a nice 50 gal. oneI knew it! That whole anti rust thing is a front you're really a
>for my houseboat that should increase the rand nicely (it had a 16
>gal). Even more in the hard copy catalogue.
speculator in S.African currency!
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>I recently sent an email to Progressive Epoxy Polymers, Inc. and got theBeulher (is that how he spells his name?) of "Backyard Boat Building"
>following reply. Larry at Raka said about the same thing so looks like it a
>non-issue building fuel tanks. I won't risk it.
fame seems to think that it ain't nothing to knock together a plywood
pattern and then take it to a fabricator to have a stainless tank
built that will custom fit your space. He's not known for suggesting
expensive options.
HTH,
David
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So, Jeff, you have a welder. You weld your own trailers up.
Why don't you make your tank out of sheet metal?
Why don't you make your tank out of sheet metal?
----- Original Message -----
From: "jeff" <boatbuilding@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Fuel Tanks
> Funny thing is that they didn't show up on any of my searches. I assume
> because their front page doesn't mention fuel tanks.
>
> Anyway, thanks for the link, I'll print out their catalog.
>
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <welshman@...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Fuel Tanks
>
>
> > Jeff
> >
> > I know your pretty good at research on line. Have you done a complete
> > search for ready mades that would fit your measurements?
> >
> > Its hard to believe that Ronco Plastics with 400 tanks doesn't have one
> > that is close.
> >
> > HJ
> >
> >
> > I was thinking Coast Guard rules and regs but after looking of the link
> that
> > was sent, there is very little to worry about other than common sense. I
> > had not thought of making them removable. That would solve a lot of the
> > degradation issues if they where to come up. Also, there are some
> products
> > out there that will allow your to coat the interior of the tanks to help
> in
> > the protection from Methanol / Alcohol problems.
> >
> > I like the idea of simple rectangular tanks that I could lift out should I
> > have problems. Coast Guard regs simply have more to do with ventilation
> and
> > the tank connections. Not the tank itself.
> >
> > Thanks for all the input from the group.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
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http://www.westmarine.com
and search on the word "tanks" for over 70 sizes in plastic and
aluminum, plus flexible bladder tanks too. I got a nice 50 gal. one
for my houseboat that should increase the rand nicely (it had a 16
gal). Even more in the hard copy catalogue.
Bruce Hector
and search on the word "tanks" for over 70 sizes in plastic and
aluminum, plus flexible bladder tanks too. I got a nice 50 gal. one
for my houseboat that should increase the rand nicely (it had a 16
gal). Even more in the hard copy catalogue.
Bruce Hector
I recently sent an email to Progressive Epoxy Polymers, Inc. and got the
following reply. Larry at Raka said about the same thing so looks like it a
non-issue building fuel tanks. I won't risk it.
Jeff
******************************
Hi Jeff:
In the past self made epoxy lined fuel tanks were common, but we've started
seeing stories on the web about the new additives in gasoline that turn the
epoxy (at least some epoxies) into mush. - the new thinking is not to use
epoxy with 'modern' gasolines.
=======================================================
PAUL OMAN ----- Progressive Epoxy Polymers, Inc.
Frog Pond Hollow - 48 Wildwood Dr - Pittsfield NH 03263
603-435-7199 FAX 603-435-7182 VISA/MC/Discover
info@...http://www.epoxyproducts.com
Boating site:http://www.epoxyproducts.com/marine.html
========================================================
following reply. Larry at Raka said about the same thing so looks like it a
non-issue building fuel tanks. I won't risk it.
Jeff
******************************
Hi Jeff:
In the past self made epoxy lined fuel tanks were common, but we've started
seeing stories on the web about the new additives in gasoline that turn the
epoxy (at least some epoxies) into mush. - the new thinking is not to use
epoxy with 'modern' gasolines.
=======================================================
PAUL OMAN ----- Progressive Epoxy Polymers, Inc.
Frog Pond Hollow - 48 Wildwood Dr - Pittsfield NH 03263
603-435-7199 FAX 603-435-7182 VISA/MC/Discover
info@...http://www.epoxyproducts.com
Boating site:http://www.epoxyproducts.com/marine.html
========================================================
Funny thing is that they didn't show up on any of my searches. I assume
because their front page doesn't mention fuel tanks.
Anyway, thanks for the link, I'll print out their catalog.
Jeff
because their front page doesn't mention fuel tanks.
Anyway, thanks for the link, I'll print out their catalog.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: <welshman@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Fuel Tanks
> Jeff
>
> I know your pretty good at research on line. Have you done a complete
> search for ready mades that would fit your measurements?
>
> Its hard to believe that Ronco Plastics with 400 tanks doesn't have one
> that is close.
>
> HJ
>
>
> I was thinking Coast Guard rules and regs but after looking of the link
that
> was sent, there is very little to worry about other than common sense. I
> had not thought of making them removable. That would solve a lot of the
> degradation issues if they where to come up. Also, there are some
products
> out there that will allow your to coat the interior of the tanks to help
in
> the protection from Methanol / Alcohol problems.
>
> I like the idea of simple rectangular tanks that I could lift out should I
> have problems. Coast Guard regs simply have more to do with ventilation
and
> the tank connections. Not the tank itself.
>
> Thanks for all the input from the group.
>
> Jeff
>
>
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Jeff
I know your pretty good at research on line. Have you done a complete
search for ready mades that would fit your measurements?
Its hard to believe that Ronco Plastics with 400 tanks doesn't have one
that is close.
HJ
I was thinking Coast Guard rules and regs but after looking of the link that
was sent, there is very little to worry about other than common sense. I
had not thought of making them removable. That would solve a lot of the
degradation issues if they where to come up. Also, there are some products
out there that will allow your to coat the interior of the tanks to help in
the protection from Methanol / Alcohol problems.
I like the idea of simple rectangular tanks that I could lift out should I
have problems. Coast Guard regs simply have more to do with ventilation and
the tank connections. Not the tank itself.
Thanks for all the input from the group.
Jeff
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I know your pretty good at research on line. Have you done a complete
search for ready mades that would fit your measurements?
Its hard to believe that Ronco Plastics with 400 tanks doesn't have one
that is close.
HJ
I was thinking Coast Guard rules and regs but after looking of the link that
was sent, there is very little to worry about other than common sense. I
had not thought of making them removable. That would solve a lot of the
degradation issues if they where to come up. Also, there are some products
out there that will allow your to coat the interior of the tanks to help in
the protection from Methanol / Alcohol problems.
I like the idea of simple rectangular tanks that I could lift out should I
have problems. Coast Guard regs simply have more to do with ventilation and
the tank connections. Not the tank itself.
Thanks for all the input from the group.
Jeff
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mail2web - Check your email from the web at
http://mail2web.com/.
As I see it, the great advantage is that the tank can be designed to use that odd space and not waste those nooks and crannies. I'd certainly want the removable feature anyway to allow me to inspect and keep track of what might be --or, not be--going on. Peace of mind whilst in your floating cocoon is a definate advantage. Re; the pressure test---I havn't a clue.I plan to glass an old metal tank that was supplied as a specific shape to fit a classic old FG runabout. it is certainly removable so I will be watching it carefully.
----- Original Message -----
From: jeff
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Fuel Tanks
I was thinking Coast Guard rules and regs but after looking of the link that
was sent, there is very little to worry about other than common sense. I
had not thought of making them removable. That would solve a lot of the
degradation issues if they where to come up. Also, there are some products
out there that will allow your to coat the interior of the tanks to help in
the protection from Methanol / Alcohol problems.
I like the idea of simple rectangular tanks that I could lift out should I
have problems. Coast Guard regs simply have more to do with ventilation and
the tank connections. Not the tank itself.
Thanks for all the input from the group.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "gssparhawk" <gssparhawk@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Fuel Tanks
> my read is that ply and epoxy is OK but must be removable if for gas. OK
to build-in for diesel. It must be assumed that sufficient strength will be
designed-in for whatever is done. Epoxyproducts has some material
specifically designed for fuel.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: proaconstrictor
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:41 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Fuel Tanks
>
>
> As was mentioned, there is stuff in the Gougeon Book. Reading
> between the lines, my guess is the regulatory and liability stuff
> overtook their ideas, not function. I seem to remember some follow-
> up questions in their free mag along these lines.
>
> There are scantlings in the book. They also mention that the epoxy
> is fine for gas and fuel oil.
>
> What CG problem are you concerned with? Your boat sounds like it
> will have a these tanks in the same position as the one's drawn in
> the plans, so boat CG should be relatively unchanged. The "Gougeon"
> tanks are removeable.
>
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I was thinking Coast Guard rules and regs but after looking of the link that
was sent, there is very little to worry about other than common sense. I
had not thought of making them removable. That would solve a lot of the
degradation issues if they where to come up. Also, there are some products
out there that will allow your to coat the interior of the tanks to help in
the protection from Methanol / Alcohol problems.
I like the idea of simple rectangular tanks that I could lift out should I
have problems. Coast Guard regs simply have more to do with ventilation and
the tank connections. Not the tank itself.
Thanks for all the input from the group.
Jeff
was sent, there is very little to worry about other than common sense. I
had not thought of making them removable. That would solve a lot of the
degradation issues if they where to come up. Also, there are some products
out there that will allow your to coat the interior of the tanks to help in
the protection from Methanol / Alcohol problems.
I like the idea of simple rectangular tanks that I could lift out should I
have problems. Coast Guard regs simply have more to do with ventilation and
the tank connections. Not the tank itself.
Thanks for all the input from the group.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "gssparhawk" <gssparhawk@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Fuel Tanks
> my read is that ply and epoxy is OK but must be removable if for gas. OK
to build-in for diesel. It must be assumed that sufficient strength will be
designed-in for whatever is done. Epoxyproducts has some material
specifically designed for fuel.
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> From: proaconstrictor
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> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:41 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Fuel Tanks
>
>
> As was mentioned, there is stuff in the Gougeon Book. Reading
> between the lines, my guess is the regulatory and liability stuff
> overtook their ideas, not function. I seem to remember some follow-
> up questions in their free mag along these lines.
>
> There are scantlings in the book. They also mention that the epoxy
> is fine for gas and fuel oil.
>
> What CG problem are you concerned with? Your boat sounds like it
> will have a these tanks in the same position as the one's drawn in
> the plans, so boat CG should be relatively unchanged. The "Gougeon"
> tanks are removeable.
>
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my read is that ply and epoxy is OK but must be removable if for gas. OK to build-in for diesel. It must be assumed that sufficient strength will be designed-in for whatever is done. Epoxyproducts has some material specifically designed for fuel.
----- Original Message -----
From: proaconstrictor
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:41 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Fuel Tanks
As was mentioned, there is stuff in the Gougeon Book. Reading
between the lines, my guess is the regulatory and liability stuff
overtook their ideas, not function. I seem to remember some follow-
up questions in their free mag along these lines.
There are scantlings in the book. They also mention that the epoxy
is fine for gas and fuel oil.
What CG problem are you concerned with? Your boat sounds like it
will have a these tanks in the same position as the one's drawn in
the plans, so boat CG should be relatively unchanged. The "Gougeon"
tanks are removeable.
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there are a bunch tank mfgs. in the us. look into a few truck and auto retailer web sites. scott
----- Original Message -----
From: jeff
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Fuel Tanks
Funny thing is that they didn't show up on any of my searches. I assume
because their front page doesn't mention fuel tanks.
Anyway, thanks for the link, I'll print out their catalog.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: <welshman@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Fuel Tanks
> Jeff
>
> I know your pretty good at research on line. Have you done a complete
> search for ready mades that would fit your measurements?
>
> Its hard to believe that Ronco Plastics with 400 tanks doesn't have one
> that is close.
>
> HJ
>
>
> I was thinking Coast Guard rules and regs but after looking of the link
that
> was sent, there is very little to worry about other than common sense. I
> had not thought of making them removable. That would solve a lot of the
> degradation issues if they where to come up. Also, there are some
products
> out there that will allow your to coat the interior of the tanks to help
in
> the protection from Methanol / Alcohol problems.
>
> I like the idea of simple rectangular tanks that I could lift out should I
> have problems. Coast Guard regs simply have more to do with ventilation
and
> the tank connections. Not the tank itself.
>
> Thanks for all the input from the group.
>
> Jeff
>
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As was mentioned, there is stuff in the Gougeon Book. Reading
between the lines, my guess is the regulatory and liability stuff
overtook their ideas, not function. I seem to remember some follow-
up questions in their free mag along these lines.
There are scantlings in the book. They also mention that the epoxy
is fine for gas and fuel oil.
What CG problem are you concerned with? Your boat sounds like it
will have a these tanks in the same position as the one's drawn in
the plans, so boat CG should be relatively unchanged. The "Gougeon"
tanks are removeable.
between the lines, my guess is the regulatory and liability stuff
overtook their ideas, not function. I seem to remember some follow-
up questions in their free mag along these lines.
There are scantlings in the book. They also mention that the epoxy
is fine for gas and fuel oil.
What CG problem are you concerned with? Your boat sounds like it
will have a these tanks in the same position as the one's drawn in
the plans, so boat CG should be relatively unchanged. The "Gougeon"
tanks are removeable.
--- "Jeff" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
he knows, if you can, how to
do it.
> Has anyone built in fuel tanksAsk Larry at Raka, I bet that
> using epoxy and fiberglass?
he knows, if you can, how to
do it.
You need to read the Coast Guard Regulations concerning fuel tanks. They are
found here:
http://www.uscg.mil/d8/mso/louisville/WebStuff/comdtpubp16761_3b.pdf
Vince
found here:
http://www.uscg.mil/d8/mso/louisville/WebStuff/comdtpubp16761_3b.pdf
Vince
I have a fuel tank that I built to fit into a specific space in
order to maximize fuel capacity. I would not use epoxy though since
it is susceptible to alcohol which can permeate through the epoxy. I
used isothalic polyester resin which is supposed to be resistant to
such problems. Three years old now and checked regularly with zero
problems. Make it strong with internal baffles and make sure that
the inside surfaces are resin rich. Pressure test the whole thing
before using. My tank is supported with a belt and suspenders kind
of arrangement of built in flanges screwed to ledgers and hung in
nylon webbing straps.
I used sheet fiberglass as a base material but would use plywood if
I did it again since it is far easier to work with. I am more
comfortable with this tank than I would be with an aluminum or steel
one in the marine environment.
order to maximize fuel capacity. I would not use epoxy though since
it is susceptible to alcohol which can permeate through the epoxy. I
used isothalic polyester resin which is supposed to be resistant to
such problems. Three years old now and checked regularly with zero
problems. Make it strong with internal baffles and make sure that
the inside surfaces are resin rich. Pressure test the whole thing
before using. My tank is supported with a belt and suspenders kind
of arrangement of built in flanges screwed to ledgers and hung in
nylon webbing straps.
I used sheet fiberglass as a base material but would use plywood if
I did it again since it is far easier to work with. I am more
comfortable with this tank than I would be with an aluminum or steel
one in the marine environment.
Jeff,
Do a Google groups search on the subject. The rec.boats.building
newsgroup has had several discussions of this, and the consensus is not
to do it.
Ford Walton
Jeff wrote:
Do a Google groups search on the subject. The rec.boats.building
newsgroup has had several discussions of this, and the consensus is not
to do it.
Ford Walton
Jeff wrote:
>
> Has anyone built in fuel tanks using epoxy and fiberglass?
>
> Does it work?
>
> Will the epoxy degrade in the tanks?
>
> Would there be any issues with the CG regarding these tanks?
>
> I have a pair of 50 gallon fuel tanks per Bolgers plans for the
> Wyoming but I'm thinking of doing my own so they can remain under
> the cockpit floor hidden completely from view. The problem is that
> the space is odd shaped and no fuel tanks will fit other than the
> large T50N models that Bolger shows.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jeff
> www.dreamwater.net/cosailor
>
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Hi Jeff, No I havn't built in fuel tanks however there is a short
piece in the Gougeons book on epoxy construction (I have the older
edition). My reading tells me that at the time there was not a lot of
experience. They warn that wood/epoxy tanks can burn even with fire
retardant. On the other hand steel tanks can heat up and rupture. The
actual epoxy construction is highly resistant to the fuels themselves.
If I were contemplating building fuel tanks I would go to the epoxy
people for information whether it was West, System3 or MAS etc.
Bob Chamberland
piece in the Gougeons book on epoxy construction (I have the older
edition). My reading tells me that at the time there was not a lot of
experience. They warn that wood/epoxy tanks can burn even with fire
retardant. On the other hand steel tanks can heat up and rupture. The
actual epoxy construction is highly resistant to the fuels themselves.
If I were contemplating building fuel tanks I would go to the epoxy
people for information whether it was West, System3 or MAS etc.
Bob Chamberland
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
> Has anyone built in fuel tanks using epoxy and fiberglass?
>
> Does it work?
>
> Will the epoxy degrade in the tanks?
>
> Would there be any issues with the CG regarding these tanks?
>
> I have a pair of 50 gallon fuel tanks per Bolgers plans for the
> Wyoming but I'm thinking of doing my own so they can remain under
> the cockpit floor hidden completely from view. The problem is that
> the space is odd shaped and no fuel tanks will fit other than the
> large T50N models that Bolger shows.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jeff
> www.dreamwater.net/cosailor
Has anyone built in fuel tanks using epoxy and fiberglass?
Does it work?
Will the epoxy degrade in the tanks?
Would there be any issues with the CG regarding these tanks?
I have a pair of 50 gallon fuel tanks per Bolgers plans for the
Wyoming but I'm thinking of doing my own so they can remain under
the cockpit floor hidden completely from view. The problem is that
the space is odd shaped and no fuel tanks will fit other than the
large T50N models that Bolger shows.
Thanks
Jeff
www.dreamwater.net/cosailor
Does it work?
Will the epoxy degrade in the tanks?
Would there be any issues with the CG regarding these tanks?
I have a pair of 50 gallon fuel tanks per Bolgers plans for the
Wyoming but I'm thinking of doing my own so they can remain under
the cockpit floor hidden completely from view. The problem is that
the space is odd shaped and no fuel tanks will fit other than the
large T50N models that Bolger shows.
Thanks
Jeff
www.dreamwater.net/cosailor