Re: Gypsy or Junebug?
I built a Junebug. I have taken my daughter out many times, wife a
few times, and daughter inlaw and grandson on two occasions. My
Junebug was custom -- 43" wide, 67 sq.ft. sail, cambered decks and a
3" round mast, slightly different sheer and transom. But after three
wonderful seasons sailing, it is too small for me. There are
pictures of it out there on the internet somewhere....
The following are the only the opinions of the author:
Sinclair Michael <sinclair_mckay@y...>
Kids won't be able to move around in a Gypsy much.
chine hull -- but less initial stability.
row better and sail better in light winds.
Phil Lea
Russellville, AR.
few times, and daughter inlaw and grandson on two occasions. My
Junebug was custom -- 43" wide, 67 sq.ft. sail, cambered decks and a
3" round mast, slightly different sheer and transom. But after three
wonderful seasons sailing, it is too small for me. There are
pictures of it out there on the internet somewhere....
The following are the only the opinions of the author:
Sinclair Michael <sinclair_mckay@y...>
> 1/ which is the easiest to build?Junebug -- it has fewer hull panels.
> 2/ which is better for taking children on board? inJunebug for children because of its flat, more stable flat bottom.
> terms of room, comfort, safety, fun ride for kids.
Kids won't be able to move around in a Gypsy much.
> 3/ which is the most fun to sail?I think Gypsy will be a more responsive sailor due to the double-
chine hull -- but less initial stability.
> 4/ which rows better?Gypsy with its double chines will have lower wetted surface and will
row better and sail better in light winds.
> 5/ which costs the most?Basically the same. Depends on how you build it.
Phil Lea
Russellville, AR.
I second gypsy being a little tender. I like it, but some find it
disconcerting. My wife and kids did fine with it though...
Yes! to cutting down the last bulkhead and adding a rear thwart.
Amazing how much more room.
Yes! to adding a small skeg. Mine is 3" deep and 9" long with a nice
taper. A way to lock the tiller might also work on the few occasions
when she is wandering around and hard to keep straight.
I also added more strength in the mast partner attachment to the hull
and to the mast step. I had her split on me one day when she was
moving fast in heavy air.
I am currently adding floatation/dry-storage compartments so that I
can self rescue in the event of a knockdown.
Otherwise, I love my Gypsy.
Not having built or sailed a JuneBug I can only offer
the following about my Gypsy experience. Remember yours
will be very different. 1 to 10 (1 = good)
Ease to build (3)
Ease to rig (2)
Weight (2)
Aesthetic Appeal (2)
Good for little children (6)
Good for older children (3)
Good for me (1)
Fun to sail (2)
Rows Good (2)
Speed under sail, heavy air (3)
Speed under sail, medium air (2)
Speed under sail, light air (1)
Inexpensive build (2)
My build Costs: Approximately $375 (paint, sail, and all)
My build time: Approximately 100 Hours Total, 3 Months Elapsed.
Time spent sailing her so far: Approximately 10 Hours
Time spent working on her after the build: Approximately 10 Hours
Time spent showing/talking/bragging: Approximately 100 Hours
Entertainment cost per hour: 375/220 = $1.70
My suggestion: Build both as models and you will probably know
exactly which one you want to build.
Both! <BigGrin>
Brent
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "skiffsalor2000" <skiffsalor2000@y...>
wrote:
disconcerting. My wife and kids did fine with it though...
Yes! to cutting down the last bulkhead and adding a rear thwart.
Amazing how much more room.
Yes! to adding a small skeg. Mine is 3" deep and 9" long with a nice
taper. A way to lock the tiller might also work on the few occasions
when she is wandering around and hard to keep straight.
I also added more strength in the mast partner attachment to the hull
and to the mast step. I had her split on me one day when she was
moving fast in heavy air.
I am currently adding floatation/dry-storage compartments so that I
can self rescue in the event of a knockdown.
Otherwise, I love my Gypsy.
Not having built or sailed a JuneBug I can only offer
the following about my Gypsy experience. Remember yours
will be very different. 1 to 10 (1 = good)
Ease to build (3)
Ease to rig (2)
Weight (2)
Aesthetic Appeal (2)
Good for little children (6)
Good for older children (3)
Good for me (1)
Fun to sail (2)
Rows Good (2)
Speed under sail, heavy air (3)
Speed under sail, medium air (2)
Speed under sail, light air (1)
Inexpensive build (2)
My build Costs: Approximately $375 (paint, sail, and all)
My build time: Approximately 100 Hours Total, 3 Months Elapsed.
Time spent sailing her so far: Approximately 10 Hours
Time spent working on her after the build: Approximately 10 Hours
Time spent showing/talking/bragging: Approximately 100 Hours
Entertainment cost per hour: 375/220 = $1.70
My suggestion: Build both as models and you will probably know
exactly which one you want to build.
Both! <BigGrin>
Brent
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "skiffsalor2000" <skiffsalor2000@y...>
wrote:
> I haven't built both but expect all the instant boats go together
> pretty easy. Cost will depend on materials in all cases. One can
> go frugal or shoot the moon. I will say if you want security with
> the kids, Gypsy is a bit tender. Gypsy has a small cockpit unless
> you cut down the last bulkhead and add a seat. (I appreciate the
> advise and did so - much better). Maybe it's me or the current in
> the Maumee but I couldn't row Gypsy in a straight line the other day
> without the centerboard down. A real mystery because it sails
> great. Do I need a skeg to row it straight? Good luck,
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Sinclair Michael
> <sinclair_mckay@y...> wrote:
> > All; I'm sure this question has been asked before, but
> > I'm doing it again. Please, answer ONLY if you have
> > experience with either boat. I'd really like to see
> > (and I bet others would too) opinions from someone
> > whose built both!
> >
> > Here are my questions:
> >
> > 1/ which is the easiest to build? (I think it must be
> > Junebug, but maybe Gypsy isn't that much harder - what
> > is truth?)
> >
> > 2/ which is better for taking children on board? in
> > terms of room, comfort, safety, fun ride for kids.
> >
> > 3/ which is the most fun to sail?
> >
> > 4/ which rows better?
> >
> > 5/ which costs the most?
> >
> >
> > thanks in advance.
> >
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I haven't built both but expect all the instant boats go together
pretty easy. Cost will depend on materials in all cases. One can
go frugal or shoot the moon. I will say if you want security with
the kids, Gypsy is a bit tender. Gypsy has a small cockpit unless
you cut down the last bulkhead and add a seat. (I appreciate the
advise and did so - much better). Maybe it's me or the current in
the Maumee but I couldn't row Gypsy in a straight line the other day
without the centerboard down. A real mystery because it sails
great. Do I need a skeg to row it straight? Good luck,
Mike
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Sinclair Michael
<sinclair_mckay@y...> wrote:
pretty easy. Cost will depend on materials in all cases. One can
go frugal or shoot the moon. I will say if you want security with
the kids, Gypsy is a bit tender. Gypsy has a small cockpit unless
you cut down the last bulkhead and add a seat. (I appreciate the
advise and did so - much better). Maybe it's me or the current in
the Maumee but I couldn't row Gypsy in a straight line the other day
without the centerboard down. A real mystery because it sails
great. Do I need a skeg to row it straight? Good luck,
Mike
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Sinclair Michael
<sinclair_mckay@y...> wrote:
> All; I'm sure this question has been asked before, but
> I'm doing it again. Please, answer ONLY if you have
> experience with either boat. I'd really like to see
> (and I bet others would too) opinions from someone
> whose built both!
>
> Here are my questions:
>
> 1/ which is the easiest to build? (I think it must be
> Junebug, but maybe Gypsy isn't that much harder - what
> is truth?)
>
> 2/ which is better for taking children on board? in
> terms of room, comfort, safety, fun ride for kids.
>
> 3/ which is the most fun to sail?
>
> 4/ which rows better?
>
> 5/ which costs the most?
>
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> __________________________________
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>All; I'm sure this question has been asked before, butDon't need experience with building the boats to tell you that
>I'm doing it again. Please, answer ONLY if you have
>experience with either boat. I'd really like to see
>(and I bet others would too) opinions from someone
>whose built both!
Junebug will sail MUCH better. It's a simple little sharpie which
will sail much better than it looks like it will (if I'm making
sense).
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Why the comparison ? You'll only really know if you build one of each
yourself. Aw theres incentive.
I'd say go get a book about sharpies. Or do a search on sharpies,
reserch the sharpie nothing is easier to build, more fun to sail,
safe for kids, and a good performer than a sharpie. IMO....
Whats hard for some maybe easy for others and viceversa. You forgot
the surf or crab skiff easy to build and probably faster than the two.
Todd
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Sinclair Michael <sinclair_mckay@y...>
wrote:
yourself. Aw theres incentive.
I'd say go get a book about sharpies. Or do a search on sharpies,
reserch the sharpie nothing is easier to build, more fun to sail,
safe for kids, and a good performer than a sharpie. IMO....
Whats hard for some maybe easy for others and viceversa. You forgot
the surf or crab skiff easy to build and probably faster than the two.
Todd
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Sinclair Michael <sinclair_mckay@y...>
wrote:
> Here are my questions:
>
> 1/ which is the easiest to build? (I think it must be
> Junebug, but maybe Gypsy isn't that much harder - what
> is truth?)
>
> 2/ which is better for taking children on board? in
> terms of room, comfort, safety, fun ride for kids.
>
> 3/ which is the most fun to sail?
>
> 4/ which rows better?
>
> 5/ which costs the most?
>
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
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All; I'm sure this question has been asked before, but
I'm doing it again. Please, answer ONLY if you have
experience with either boat. I'd really like to see
(and I bet others would too) opinions from someone
whose built both!
Here are my questions:
1/ which is the easiest to build? (I think it must be
Junebug, but maybe Gypsy isn't that much harder - what
is truth?)
2/ which is better for taking children on board? in
terms of room, comfort, safety, fun ride for kids.
3/ which is the most fun to sail?
4/ which rows better?
5/ which costs the most?
thanks in advance.
__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
http://search.yahoo.com
I'm doing it again. Please, answer ONLY if you have
experience with either boat. I'd really like to see
(and I bet others would too) opinions from someone
whose built both!
Here are my questions:
1/ which is the easiest to build? (I think it must be
Junebug, but maybe Gypsy isn't that much harder - what
is truth?)
2/ which is better for taking children on board? in
terms of room, comfort, safety, fun ride for kids.
3/ which is the most fun to sail?
4/ which rows better?
5/ which costs the most?
thanks in advance.
__________________________________
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The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
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