[bolger] Re: small square boat transportation
BO>Surprised you didn't just type in www.saturn etc. as it would have
BO>answered your question faster.
Weeellll....ever increasing multitudes on the net ask first, search
later so I thought I might try it too...seriously, the sats were down
and the landlines choked. Doesn't affect usenet, which is why I'm
normally on this egroup via email, not direct to the web page (I should
live so long). ANyway, can now find out what the design is here
(rebadged)
BO>answered your question faster.
Weeellll....ever increasing multitudes on the net ask first, search
later so I thought I might try it too...seriously, the sats were down
and the landlines choked. Doesn't affect usenet, which is why I'm
normally on this egroup via email, not direct to the web page (I should
live so long). ANyway, can now find out what the design is here
(rebadged)
BO>Now, we're quite satisfied with our Saturn station wagon, pulling boats
BO>under 400 pounds. It cartops the Teal nicely. Even allows me to drive
For those of us not USA/Canada, what the heck is a Saturn, and please,
no hoary chestnusts about planets, moon rockets, greek gods...
BO>under 400 pounds. It cartops the Teal nicely. Even allows me to drive
For those of us not USA/Canada, what the heck is a Saturn, and please,
no hoary chestnusts about planets, moon rockets, greek gods...
wmrpag-@...wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=3002
Actually, I do have a rack, so if I build a Brick I'm all set. I just
have to put the car up on ramps and dive under it to see what's there,
and right now my driveway is covered with snow and ice. I'm afraid I
lost track of the thread, and it's too cumbersome to retrieve, with the
search function not working. I don't recall anyone coming across that
way lately, but I must have been a little short with my reply. If your
post is the one I think it was, someone else will find the tips useful.
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=3002
> Dear Mr. Ross:imagined
>
> I'm sorry if I came across as smart-ass know-it-all. I kind of
> that you were dealing with problems peculiar to more recent autosthan I have
> had to deal with. ( I'm "up" to a 1984 Maza 626 - strategy "1" workswell) If
> you would include a more specific description of your intendedvehicle, I'm
> sure that someone has some useful information that we would allbenefit from.
> (esp. me - as I slowly move up the food chain of discardedautomobiles!)
Actually, I do have a rack, so if I build a Brick I'm all set. I just
have to put the car up on ramps and dive under it to see what's there,
and right now my driveway is covered with snow and ice. I'm afraid I
lost track of the thread, and it's too cumbersome to retrieve, with the
search function not working. I don't recall anyone coming across that
way lately, but I must have been a little short with my reply. If your
post is the one I think it was, someone else will find the tips useful.
Dear Mr. Ross:
I'm sorry if I came across as smart-ass know-it-all. I kind of imagined
that you were dealing with problems peculiar to more recent autos than I have
had to deal with. ( I'm "up" to a 1984 Maza 626 - strategy "1" works well) If
you would include a more specific description of your intended vehicle, I'm
sure that someone has some useful information that we would all benefit from.
(esp. me - as I slowly move up the food chain of discarded automobiles!)
I'm sorry if I came across as smart-ass know-it-all. I kind of imagined
that you were dealing with problems peculiar to more recent autos than I have
had to deal with. ( I'm "up" to a 1984 Maza 626 - strategy "1" works well) If
you would include a more specific description of your intended vehicle, I'm
sure that someone has some useful information that we would all benefit from.
(esp. me - as I slowly move up the food chain of discarded automobiles!)
one of these days i,m gonna build a boat i need a trailer fori just keep
trowing them in the back of the pickup my big one so far is junebug.
D.W.Johnson
trowing them in the back of the pickup my big one so far is junebug.
D.W.Johnson
wmrpag-@...wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2902
anything metal in the right place to drill. Big riveted ugly aluminum
plate for ripping up pedestrians?
lines and drive slowly.
snip
just tie to racks only
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2902
> "Only problem now is finding places to tie to on the ends of the car."following
>
> (I haven't figured out how to do this <snip> business)
>
> Having car-topped more canoes than I can remember, I offer the
> useless hints:plates
>
> 1) Imported Japanese cars are (or were) commonly equipped with metal
> attached to the ---yes, that worked fine on last car
>drill
> 2) A technique I used on mid-60's to mid-'70's GM products was to
>I paid 2000 bmu for this car! not ready for this yet, nor is there
anything metal in the right place to drill. Big riveted ugly aluminum
plate for ripping up pedestrians?
>are shock
> 3) If your vehicle's bumper is mounted brackets of some sort (some
> absorbers or collapsible tubes to absorb minor impact) these can beused as
> well. (old technology car, would have worked on my first three
>two lines
> For what it is worth, my recommended technique is to secure the
> at the front of the caryes, that would be nice, maybe I can have runners (humans) hold these
lines and drive slowly.
snip
> Buy a good set of roof racks - cheap expedients don't cut themustard.
> If you are really strapped for cash and reduced to using foam blocksunder
>agreed and have done so. Maybe I'll just build short boats only and
just tie to racks only
> Bill
>
"Only problem now is finding places to tie to on the ends of the car."
(I haven't figured out how to do this <snip> business)
Having car-topped more canoes than I can remember, I offer the following
useless hints:
1) Imported Japanese cars are (or were) commonly equipped with metal plates
attached to the --- (whatever - I was going to say chassis or frame, but none
ot the passenger cars have such a structure...) anyway, they generally have a
black metal flange with a hole in them, one at each corner, presumably for
hold-downs for the trans-pacific roll-on/roll-off shipping detail. You have
scrunch down and look at the underside of the car to see them, but they are
obvious enough if you look. Any kind of shackel run through the hole in the
flange works just fine. Depending on relative stiffness, using these as
anchors you can bend either the boat or the car or both into the shape of a
banana, given enough tension on your ropes. (I imagine these flanges are
missing from domestically produced "Japanese" autos."
2) A technique I used on mid-60's to mid-'70's GM products was to drill
holes through the face surfaces of the sturdy chrome-plated bumpers at the
four corners and install eye-bolts. (This is not an option with a
non-disposable car with plastic coated bumpers). One nut needs to be
threaded on each eye-bolt and tightly jammed against the end of the threaded
portion to form a "shoulder". The bolt is then inserted and one nut
tightened against the rear of the bumper and a second jammed against the
first. If you have a stiff boat, you can bend a rusty-chassis Detroit sled
into the shape of a banana with this technique. The hard part is drilling the
holes. The chrome plating is very, very hard. If you use a cheap B&D 3/8"
drill, as I did, you'll need at least two standard quality hardware store
drill bits to drill the four holes and wished you had just bit the bullet and
bought four of them to begin with.
3) If your vehicle's bumper is mounted brackets of some sort (some are shock
absorbers or collapsible tubes to absorb minor impact) these can be used as
well. (There may be a flexible horizontal "apron" aft of the front bumper
(and vice versa at the rear) that you have to raise to see the brackets.)
I've not used this technique myself, but someone near and dear to me used
large gauge, solid core, insulated copper electrical wire to make loops large
enough to protrude a convenient height above the bumpers to take the lines
holding the boat. To my knowledge, these have never failed in rather arduous
use. Again, owners of non-disposable cars may find their
re-sale/trade-in/lease-whatever make this a non-starter.
For what it is worth, my recommended technique is to secure the two lines
at the front of the car to the bow of the boat. With the boat free to move
aft, pull it ass far aft as you can (adjust the lengths of the forward lines
if necessary, and repeat), then tighten the aft lines and set them up taut.
If your car is shorter than your boat, either or both the bow and stern lines
WILL need to run from a thwart to the attachment points on the car. You do
not want to be loading the hull in compression. Then, and only then, move the
chocks on your roof racks to butt against the gunwales. Straps running
athwartships from gutter (or gutterless) sides of the car athwarthship over
the boat are optional. They do no harm, and if colorful can be aesthetic.
Buy a good set of roof racks - cheap expedients don't cut the mustard.
If you are really strapped for cash and reduced to using foam blocks under
the gunwales, keep your eyes on the shoulders of the road. With a little
luck you will find others's lost blocks faster than you lose yours!
Bill
(I haven't figured out how to do this <snip> business)
Having car-topped more canoes than I can remember, I offer the following
useless hints:
1) Imported Japanese cars are (or were) commonly equipped with metal plates
attached to the --- (whatever - I was going to say chassis or frame, but none
ot the passenger cars have such a structure...) anyway, they generally have a
black metal flange with a hole in them, one at each corner, presumably for
hold-downs for the trans-pacific roll-on/roll-off shipping detail. You have
scrunch down and look at the underside of the car to see them, but they are
obvious enough if you look. Any kind of shackel run through the hole in the
flange works just fine. Depending on relative stiffness, using these as
anchors you can bend either the boat or the car or both into the shape of a
banana, given enough tension on your ropes. (I imagine these flanges are
missing from domestically produced "Japanese" autos."
2) A technique I used on mid-60's to mid-'70's GM products was to drill
holes through the face surfaces of the sturdy chrome-plated bumpers at the
four corners and install eye-bolts. (This is not an option with a
non-disposable car with plastic coated bumpers). One nut needs to be
threaded on each eye-bolt and tightly jammed against the end of the threaded
portion to form a "shoulder". The bolt is then inserted and one nut
tightened against the rear of the bumper and a second jammed against the
first. If you have a stiff boat, you can bend a rusty-chassis Detroit sled
into the shape of a banana with this technique. The hard part is drilling the
holes. The chrome plating is very, very hard. If you use a cheap B&D 3/8"
drill, as I did, you'll need at least two standard quality hardware store
drill bits to drill the four holes and wished you had just bit the bullet and
bought four of them to begin with.
3) If your vehicle's bumper is mounted brackets of some sort (some are shock
absorbers or collapsible tubes to absorb minor impact) these can be used as
well. (There may be a flexible horizontal "apron" aft of the front bumper
(and vice versa at the rear) that you have to raise to see the brackets.)
I've not used this technique myself, but someone near and dear to me used
large gauge, solid core, insulated copper electrical wire to make loops large
enough to protrude a convenient height above the bumpers to take the lines
holding the boat. To my knowledge, these have never failed in rather arduous
use. Again, owners of non-disposable cars may find their
re-sale/trade-in/lease-whatever make this a non-starter.
For what it is worth, my recommended technique is to secure the two lines
at the front of the car to the bow of the boat. With the boat free to move
aft, pull it ass far aft as you can (adjust the lengths of the forward lines
if necessary, and repeat), then tighten the aft lines and set them up taut.
If your car is shorter than your boat, either or both the bow and stern lines
WILL need to run from a thwart to the attachment points on the car. You do
not want to be loading the hull in compression. Then, and only then, move the
chocks on your roof racks to butt against the gunwales. Straps running
athwartships from gutter (or gutterless) sides of the car athwarthship over
the boat are optional. They do no harm, and if colorful can be aesthetic.
Buy a good set of roof racks - cheap expedients don't cut the mustard.
If you are really strapped for cash and reduced to using foam blocks under
the gunwales, keep your eyes on the shoulders of the road. With a little
luck you will find others's lost blocks faster than you lose yours!
Bill
Actually ( and this is way off subject) I would be surprised if Saturn was
available in AUS. The reasoning is very simple.
Saturn is the best car made by GM (I owned a '92), the largest american
supplier of internal combustion beasts (I believe they do Holden down
there). Since Saturn is the best GM car, all the worthless GM divisions
have tried their mightiest to squash Saturn. In other words, it would make
way too much sense for GM to export a really good car. It goes against
their incredible run of stupidity. Remember, these are the people who
brought in a perfectly good (actually excellent) Opel all the way from
Germany (to increase their sales to yuppie types) and then they put an egg
crate grill and CADILLAC badges on it! Idiots! Swine!
Robert & Amy Lundy
St. Petersburg, fla.
robert@...
amy@...
available in AUS. The reasoning is very simple.
Saturn is the best car made by GM (I owned a '92), the largest american
supplier of internal combustion beasts (I believe they do Holden down
there). Since Saturn is the best GM car, all the worthless GM divisions
have tried their mightiest to squash Saturn. In other words, it would make
way too much sense for GM to export a really good car. It goes against
their incredible run of stupidity. Remember, these are the people who
brought in a perfectly good (actually excellent) Opel all the way from
Germany (to increase their sales to yuppie types) and then they put an egg
crate grill and CADILLAC badges on it! Idiots! Swine!
Robert & Amy Lundy
St. Petersburg, fla.
robert@...
amy@...
> -----Original Message-----
> From:tjfatchen@...[mailto:tjfatchen@...]
> Sent: February 17, 2000 3:30 AM
> To:bolger@...
> Subject: [bolger] Re: small square boat transportation
>
>
> BO>Surprised you didn't just type in www.saturn etc. as it would have
> BO>answered your question faster.
>
> Weeellll....ever increasing multitudes on the net ask first, search
> later so I thought I might try it too...seriously, the sats were down
> and the landlines choked. Doesn't affect usenet, which is why I'm
> normally on this egroup via email, not direct to the web page (I should
> live so long). ANyway, can now find out what the design is here
> (rebadged)
>
>
>
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tjfatche-@...wrote:
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front wheel drive car. Actually rated to pull trailer, however.
Surprised you didn't just type in www.saturn etc. as it would have
answered your question faster. I bought mine used as I don't have money
to throw away or to support deadbeat advertising types. Probably easier
for cartopping as it is rather low. Harder for cartopping as I haven't
seen any tiepoints on casual inspection. Will have to get underneath, I
think, or rivet stuff on (there goes resale).
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2848
>boats
> BO>Now, we're quite satisfied with our Saturn station wagon, pulling
> BO>under 400 pounds. It cartops the Teal nicely. Even allows me todrive
>First non lemon car from GM. Insufferable marketing campaign. Small
> For those of us not USA/Canada, what the heck is a Saturn, and please,
> no hoary chestnusts about planets, moon rockets, greek gods...
>
>
front wheel drive car. Actually rated to pull trailer, however.
Surprised you didn't just type in www.saturn etc. as it would have
answered your question faster. I bought mine used as I don't have money
to throw away or to support deadbeat advertising types. Probably easier
for cartopping as it is rather low. Harder for cartopping as I haven't
seen any tiepoints on casual inspection. Will have to get underneath, I
think, or rivet stuff on (there goes resale).
Saturn is a seperate, General Motors owned automaker in the U.S. They
market smaller, reputedly high quality cars. While owned by GM, they are
totally seperate and have very different procedures in regard to
manufacturing and marketing. I have never owned one but a lot of people who
have are very pleased with them. They are small, four cylinders. Don;t
know if they even make a 6 cylinder.
market smaller, reputedly high quality cars. While owned by GM, they are
totally seperate and have very different procedures in regard to
manufacturing and marketing. I have never owned one but a lot of people who
have are very pleased with them. They are small, four cylinders. Don;t
know if they even make a 6 cylinder.
> -----Original Message-----
> From:tjfatchen@...[SMTP:tjfatchen@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 4:36 PM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: small square boat transportation
>
>
> BO>Now, we're quite satisfied with our Saturn station wagon, pulling boats
> BO>under 400 pounds. It cartops the Teal nicely. Even allows me to drive
>
> For those of us not USA/Canada, what the heck is a Saturn, and please,
> no hoary chestnusts about planets, moon rockets, greek gods...
>
>
>
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Chuck Leinweber wrote:
For example, look at:
http://www.ezloader.com/UPSTrailer.htm
Also, take a look at HarborFreight--they are online, and have a lot of
choices.
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
> Frankly, I don't see why everyone insists on jumping through hoops toI agree. Even new trailers for lightweight boats can be cheap.
> avoid the T word.
For example, look at:
http://www.ezloader.com/UPSTrailer.htm
Also, take a look at HarborFreight--they are online, and have a lot of
choices.
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
In a message dated 02/15/2000 11:31:14 AM Central Standard Time,
chuck@...writes:
<< I don't own a car - only a couple of pickups. Does that mean I'm OK,
David? >>
She thinks my pickup (1994 Ford Ranger XLT) is sexy...or wuz thet ma
tractor...
Larry
Palm Bay, Florida
http://hometown.aol.com/henryclann/Boats/amatureboats.index.htm
Remember; the Titanic was built by the professionals, but Noah's Ark by
amatuers!
chuck@...writes:
<< I don't own a car - only a couple of pickups. Does that mean I'm OK,
David? >>
She thinks my pickup (1994 Ford Ranger XLT) is sexy...or wuz thet ma
tractor...
Larry
Palm Bay, Florida
http://hometown.aol.com/henryclann/Boats/amatureboats.index.htm
Remember; the Titanic was built by the professionals, but Noah's Ark by
amatuers!
chris crandall <crandal-@...> wrote:
snip
a truck? Seem to recall a post from PB&F a while back to this effect.
snip
> Of course, SUV's are completely inconsistent with the Bolger style.I thought they had one (an OLD one), for pulling trailers. Or was that
>snip
a truck? Seem to recall a post from PB&F a while back to this effect.
Hi All, Well with the temperature up in the mid sixties, I finally got
off my old butt long enough to take the trailer pictures and get them
onto my web site, for anyone that is looking for ideas. It was "home
built" about 12 years ago by someone in the sunshine state, and for its
simple design it is one of the most useful trailers that I have owned.
By removing the adjustable supports and winch assembly I have a flatbed
trailer that in 6'6" between fenders and the bed is 12' long. If there
are any questions about it that aren't covered on the web site, feel
free to email and I will be more than happy to respond. This same basic
design could be used for any of our "square boats up to about 20' long,
because you can adjust the stands for any amount of rocker. I hope this
helps give you some ideas.
Stan, Snow Goose. In warm and sunny Missouri.
http://www.iland.net/~pmuller/
off my old butt long enough to take the trailer pictures and get them
onto my web site, for anyone that is looking for ideas. It was "home
built" about 12 years ago by someone in the sunshine state, and for its
simple design it is one of the most useful trailers that I have owned.
By removing the adjustable supports and winch assembly I have a flatbed
trailer that in 6'6" between fenders and the bed is 12' long. If there
are any questions about it that aren't covered on the web site, feel
free to email and I will be more than happy to respond. This same basic
design could be used for any of our "square boats up to about 20' long,
because you can adjust the stands for any amount of rocker. I hope this
helps give you some ideas.
Stan, Snow Goose. In warm and sunny Missouri.
http://www.iland.net/~pmuller/
> That said, I do crave a Volvo station wagon. Nicely appointed, bigSlow to accelerate, expensive to maintain, repair, and fill the tank.
> enough for the whole family plus junk.
Tends to degrade in appearance rapidly. Not well-suited to climates
requiring air conditioning. Parts expensive, and sometimes difficult to
locate. Tends to lose value rapidly.
I used a Volvo wagon to pull our Catalina 22 for several years. Could
barely handle it, in Florida, the flattest state in the Union (yes, Kansas
is 100 times hillier than Florida).
Now, we're quite satisfied with our Saturn station wagon, pulling boats
under 400 pounds. It cartops the Teal nicely. Even allows me to drive
into the garage with Teal atop, although the one time I had the mast one,
too, I speared the garage, and busted the mast. (Turns out it splintered,
and was perfectly and invisibly repaired with epoxy.)
Now, I did just buy a 3.5 year old Ford Crown Victoria LX, which can tow
several thousand pounds, with its V8 engine and wide stance. Am planning
on building a serious shantyboat, to place my not-very-serious shantyboat
"Occam's Razor". That will be easier towing, I'm sure, than a Saturn or a
Volvo.
Of course, SUV's are completely inconsistent with the Bolger style.
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
Actually, it is getting to the point where even roof racks cost more than the
boats they carry. The Thule racks for my 1995 Saturn cost me around $160 and the
ones for my new Toyota will run over $200. I prefer racks and light boats because
I am about 50 miles of mountains and bad roads from navigatable waters, many of
which do not have launching ramps,
david
David Jost wrote:
boats they carry. The Thule racks for my 1995 Saturn cost me around $160 and the
ones for my new Toyota will run over $200. I prefer racks and light boats because
I am about 50 miles of mountains and bad roads from navigatable waters, many of
which do not have launching ramps,
david
David Jost wrote:
> Chuck,
> I think the issue here is $. A good trailer will cost more than what
> the readers in this discussion group paid to build there boats....
david ryan <davi-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2797
minutes. I can walk to the movies in twenty minutes. I can walk to the
river in twenty minutes. Just don't feel like dragging the boat that
far. Also, I can't really sail on the river.
travel from place to place. Otherwise I'd only need it once or twice a
week and would use a bicycle the rest of the time. Would weigh twenty
pounds less. Don't want to give the blind drivers another shot at me,
hurt too much some of the other times.
probably give up mine too. Especially after everyone and all the stores
and businesses move closer to town.
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2797
> >cpcorrei-@...wrote:snip
> Your problem is you live in the wrong place. There are places whereI can get to work in twenty minutes. I can also mow the lawn in twenty
> you can walk to the beach and the grocery store too.
minutes. I can walk to the movies in twenty minutes. I can walk to the
river in twenty minutes. Just don't feel like dragging the boat that
far. Also, I can't really sail on the river.
>My main use of the car is to keep other cars from hitting me as I
> Also, using a car is not the same as depending on a car. I think it's
> a worthwhile design scenario to ask "what happens to my ability to
> make money, have fun, etc. if my car breaks down tomorrow and I
> can't/won't fix it/" Can you still get to work? Can you still go for
> an afternoon sail?
>
> the private automobile offers a staggering amount of personal
> freedom. it is also heavily subsidized by the government and even
> still tremendously expensive. If you use the IRS 31.5 cents a mile,
> rather than just the cost of gas, you start to see a lot of money
> being exchanged for that freedom.
>
travel from place to place. Otherwise I'd only need it once or twice a
week and would use a bicycle the rest of the time. Would weigh twenty
pounds less. Don't want to give the blind drivers another shot at me,
hurt too much some of the other times.
> That said, I do crave a Volvo station wagon. Nicely appointed, bigTHAT'S a good argument for a trailer.
> enough for the whole family plus junk.
>If you take away everyone else's car (tank, SUV, truck, etc.) I'll
> YIBB,
>
>
>
> David Ryan
> Minister of Information and Culture
> Crumbling Empire Productions
> (212) 247-0296
probably give up mine too. Especially after everyone and all the stores
and businesses move closer to town.
>cpcorrei-@...wrote:Your problem is you live in the wrong place. There are places where
>original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2787
> > snippage, misattribution, etc.
> > <<
> > Build the boat real cheap and real ugly and leave it at the place
>you
> > use it the most.
> >
> >
>Afraid this is not a money saver for me. Need to feed the big dog tied
>to the boat to keep it from being disappeard. Need to bribe animal
>control officer. Need to bribe judge, etc. for keeping boat and
>dangerous hazard in public place. Need consultant to figure out how to
>terrify local kids to leave it alone (I know, there's only a few like
>that, but that's all it takes). I most often use my boats RIGHT IN
>TOWN! You guys in the sticks can do what you like, but you still need a
>car cause you can't walk to the grocery store.
you can walk to the beach and the grocery store too.
Also, using a car is not the same as depending on a car. I think it's
a worthwhile design scenario to ask "what happens to my ability to
make money, have fun, etc. if my car breaks down tomorrow and I
can't/won't fix it/" Can you still get to work? Can you still go for
an afternoon sail?
the private automobile offers a staggering amount of personal
freedom. it is also heavily subsidized by the government and even
still tremendously expensive. If you use the IRS 31.5 cents a mile,
rather than just the cost of gas, you start to see a lot of money
being exchanged for that freedom.
That said, I do crave a Volvo station wagon. Nicely appointed, big
enough for the whole family plus junk.
YIBB,
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
david ryan <davi-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2795
use old refrigerators
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2795
use old refrigerators
>snip
> from beer-fueled speculation to beercentric design! I'll be the envywhich empire?
> of the neighborhood.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David Ryan
> Minister of Information and Culture
> Crumbling Empire Productions
> (212) 247-0296
> > There is a certain minimum size for a couple ofmostly this list is a harmless distraction from the tedium of day to
> > adults plus the beer cooler.
>
>We have to try to learn from Mr. Bolger's example. Try to combine
>functions. Think about this: what if the boat IS the beer cooler and
>the beer cooler IS the boat?
day work, a meaningless day-dream, a soma holiday.
then it hits, a truely inspired idea!
from beer-fueled speculation to beercentric design! I'll be the envy
of the neighborhood.
YIBB,
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
cpcorrei-@...wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2787
to the boat to keep it from being disappeard. Need to bribe animal
control officer. Need to bribe judge, etc. for keeping boat and
dangerous hazard in public place. Need consultant to figure out how to
terrify local kids to leave it alone (I know, there's only a few like
that, but that's all it takes). I most often use my boats RIGHT IN
TOWN! You guys in the sticks can do what you like, but you still need a
car cause you can't walk to the grocery store.
On the subject of room in cartoppable boats (mentioned in other
message), our Roar II has plenty of room for two adults and a case of
beer. Generally, tho, we leave out the beer. (We tried it before it was
really finished. Still not done. Maybe by April or May.)
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2787
> snippage, misattribution, etc.you
> <<
> Build the boat real cheap and real ugly and leave it at the place
> use it the most.Afraid this is not a money saver for me. Need to feed the big dog tied
>
>
to the boat to keep it from being disappeard. Need to bribe animal
control officer. Need to bribe judge, etc. for keeping boat and
dangerous hazard in public place. Need consultant to figure out how to
terrify local kids to leave it alone (I know, there's only a few like
that, but that's all it takes). I most often use my boats RIGHT IN
TOWN! You guys in the sticks can do what you like, but you still need a
car cause you can't walk to the grocery store.
On the subject of room in cartoppable boats (mentioned in other
message), our Roar II has plenty of room for two adults and a case of
beer. Generally, tho, we leave out the beer. (We tried it before it was
really finished. Still not done. Maybe by April or May.)
Good idea. Get 8 (48 quart) strafoam coolers (4 per side kind of pontoon
style); put them to gether with some 2 x 4's; couple transverse 2 x 4's with
a sheet of luan over top and you have a basic raft. Now, how do we combine
this with the thread about adding rocker.........???
style); put them to gether with some 2 x 4's; couple transverse 2 x 4's with
a sheet of luan over top and you have a basic raft. Now, how do we combine
this with the thread about adding rocker.........???
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Vanderwaart [SMTP:pvanderw@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 1:22 PM
> To:bolger@...
> Subject: [bolger] Re: small square boat transportation
>
> > There is a certain minimum size for a couple of
> > adults plus the beer cooler.
>
> We have to try to learn from Mr. Bolger's example. Try to combine
> functions. Think about this: what if the boat IS the beer cooler and
> the beer cooler IS the boat?
>
> Peter
>
>
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> There is a certain minimum size for a couple ofWe have to try to learn from Mr. Bolger's example. Try to combine
> adults plus the beer cooler.
functions. Think about this: what if the boat IS the beer cooler and
the beer cooler IS the boat?
Peter
"chuck leinweber" <chuc-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2778
a trailer. Out in the front driveway, maybe, but I don't really want to
look at it. The rest of the lawn is so small we want to keep all of it
except the narrow strip behind the house where I can lean a couple of
boats. Nor do I want an additional interaction with the Registry of
Motor Vehicles or my insurance company. Also, if I must cartop it keeps
me from getting overambitious and not finishing an overly large boat.
Smaller means more bang per buck anyway, and going out more often, and
maintaining less often. I'm not saying a trailer wouldn't make sense
for someone else. On my way to work there is a sailboat on a trailer in
a front yard, still rigged up with Christmas lights.
Only problem now is finding places to tie to on the ends of the car.
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2778
> Frankly, I don't see why everyone insists on jumping through hoops toavoid
> the T word.shameful
>
> "Hello, my name is Chuck, and I trailer my boat. I know it is a
> thing, but temptation got the best of me."Well, I don't know about anyone else, but I don't have a good place for
> snip
a trailer. Out in the front driveway, maybe, but I don't really want to
look at it. The rest of the lawn is so small we want to keep all of it
except the narrow strip behind the house where I can lean a couple of
boats. Nor do I want an additional interaction with the Registry of
Motor Vehicles or my insurance company. Also, if I must cartop it keeps
me from getting overambitious and not finishing an overly large boat.
Smaller means more bang per buck anyway, and going out more often, and
maintaining less often. I'm not saying a trailer wouldn't make sense
for someone else. On my way to work there is a sailboat on a trailer in
a front yard, still rigged up with Christmas lights.
Only problem now is finding places to tie to on the ends of the car.
I tend to agree with Chcuk on the matter of trailering. I've towed boats
(sizable ones) from TX to NC, from NC to IN (mountains suck) and all over
Florida including to the keys. I also hate boat ramp slugs that take 20
minutes to get in/out so much I kept two boats in expensive marina slips in
the last 5 years.
John Bell hit the nail on the head-over 40 lbs is a two person (easy) or 1
person (scary) job. To carry beer and me (no big dog) would take at least a
teal, and you'd kind of like a Windsprint for 3 adults-not that you can't
cram people and beer onto any boat-its just not comfortable and other boat's
wakes become an object of intense scrutiny.
A note on boat trailer prices-around here you can reliably pick up NEW boat
trailers with 10 inch wheels that fit 14' johnboats for around $375-$425
that are galvanized. Compare this to the painted steel trailer my Brother
in law in Indianapolis paid $650 for and you get an idea about
volume/transportation costs (we have two manufacturers in Pinellas County).
I have a trailer under my Johnboat-I'll probably buy another for my
Windsprint.
Robert & Amy Lundy
St. Petersburg, fla.
robert@...
amy@...
(sizable ones) from TX to NC, from NC to IN (mountains suck) and all over
Florida including to the keys. I also hate boat ramp slugs that take 20
minutes to get in/out so much I kept two boats in expensive marina slips in
the last 5 years.
John Bell hit the nail on the head-over 40 lbs is a two person (easy) or 1
person (scary) job. To carry beer and me (no big dog) would take at least a
teal, and you'd kind of like a Windsprint for 3 adults-not that you can't
cram people and beer onto any boat-its just not comfortable and other boat's
wakes become an object of intense scrutiny.
A note on boat trailer prices-around here you can reliably pick up NEW boat
trailers with 10 inch wheels that fit 14' johnboats for around $375-$425
that are galvanized. Compare this to the painted steel trailer my Brother
in law in Indianapolis paid $650 for and you get an idea about
volume/transportation costs (we have two manufacturers in Pinellas County).
I have a trailer under my Johnboat-I'll probably buy another for my
Windsprint.
Robert & Amy Lundy
St. Petersburg, fla.
robert@...
amy@...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Leinweber [mailto:chuck@...]
> Sent: February 15, 2000 12:27 PM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: small square boat transportation
>
>
>
> > Because dependance on cars is a sign of moral terptitude ;-)
> >
> I don't own a car - only a couple of pickups. Does that mean I'm
> OK, David?
>
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In a message dated 2/15/00 6:12:02 AM Pacific Standard Time,
david@...writes:
<<
Build the boat real cheap and real ugly and leave it at the place you
use it the most.
YIBB,
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
leave them at your favorite spots.
Chuck C.
david@...writes:
<<
Build the boat real cheap and real ugly and leave it at the place you
use it the most.
YIBB,
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
>>Great Wisdom! Expanding further, build 2 or 3 of the small cheap things and
leave them at your favorite spots.
Chuck C.
>If you cartop you still need a car!!The only thing I ever said about car toping is that when I do it,
banjo music starts playing out of nowhere like some cosmic
soundtrack; and that I do it as little as possible.
********
Ideal: Leave boat at beach/bay/lagoon that is within walking distance
from house. The further you get from the ideal, the less you will use
your boat.
********
I was tempted to buy some racks for my car to make it easier to get
lil'winnie to Georgica Pond (about 30 min away) in the summer (mucho
blueclaws.) But a simple calculation reveals it's cheaper (and easier
to build a boat and leave it at the pond. It also means the time I
would have spend working to buy the racks, I can spend working to buy
wood to build a boat; a win-win-win situation.
YIBB,
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
At 12:24 PM 02/15/2000 -0500, you wrote:
don't know what "terptitiude" means. As a graduate from an Oklahoma
institution of higher education, I have analyzed the components of the word.
"terp" is from terpintine - a cleaner and pant thinner. - Since cleaning
and painting both beautify, that is good!!! "titude" is derived from
attitude or altitude. Since both have high and lofty aspects this is also
good. So combining the "terp" and the 'titude" - dependance on cars must be
a clean and lofty situation. I guess that is why I love NASCAR so much!
I can now trailer my boat to the lake knowing that I have MORALITY on my
side. This list provides such peace of mind.
Tim - an old man, an old van, a little smoke and June Bug
>>Frankly, I don't see why everyone insists on jumping through hoops to avoid"Because dependance on cars is a sign of moral terptitude ;-)"
>>the T word.
>
>I am certainly releived by the above statement - tho I must admit that I
>David Ryan
>Minister of Information and Culture
>Crumbling Empire Productions
>(212) 247-0296
don't know what "terptitiude" means. As a graduate from an Oklahoma
institution of higher education, I have analyzed the components of the word.
"terp" is from terpintine - a cleaner and pant thinner. - Since cleaning
and painting both beautify, that is good!!! "titude" is derived from
attitude or altitude. Since both have high and lofty aspects this is also
good. So combining the "terp" and the 'titude" - dependance on cars must be
a clean and lofty situation. I guess that is why I love NASCAR so much!
I can now trailer my boat to the lake knowing that I have MORALITY on my
side. This list provides such peace of mind.
Tim - an old man, an old van, a little smoke and June Bug
If you cartop you still need a car!! A trailer just makes it easier (IMHO).
And, lets face it, any boat small enough to cartop is a SMALL boat. If you
want to take your significant other, kid(s) and most importantly your dog,
you need a larger boat. There is a certain minimum size for a couple of
adults plus the beer cooler.
And, lets face it, any boat small enough to cartop is a SMALL boat. If you
want to take your significant other, kid(s) and most importantly your dog,
you need a larger boat. There is a certain minimum size for a couple of
adults plus the beer cooler.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Ryan [SMTP:david@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 12:24 PM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: small square boat transportation
>
> >Frankly, I don't see why everyone insists on jumping through hoops to
> avoid
> >the T word.
>
> Because dependance on cars is a sign of moral terptitude ;-)
>
> David Ryan
> Minister of Information and Culture
> Crumbling Empire Productions
> (212) 247-0296
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Chuck,
I think the issue here is $. A good trailer will cost more than what
the readers in this discussion group paid to build there boats. That
is hard for a lot of people, including myself, to swallow. But, you
are correct a good trailer should be selected to match the boat. It
protects your investment.
I have a 13' trailer that has adjustable bunks that I use for all of
my boats. If the boat is light enough it can hang off the back by a
couple of feet without any damage to the transom. If you purchase a
good trailer that is galvanized it will last through many boatbuilding
projects. I bet that Diablo does not weigh any more than 200 lbs. that
25hp motor is almost more than the boat!
"chuck leinweber" <chuc-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2778
I think the issue here is $. A good trailer will cost more than what
the readers in this discussion group paid to build there boats. That
is hard for a lot of people, including myself, to swallow. But, you
are correct a good trailer should be selected to match the boat. It
protects your investment.
I have a 13' trailer that has adjustable bunks that I use for all of
my boats. If the boat is light enough it can hang off the back by a
couple of feet without any damage to the transom. If you purchase a
good trailer that is galvanized it will last through many boatbuilding
projects. I bet that Diablo does not weigh any more than 200 lbs. that
25hp motor is almost more than the boat!
"chuck leinweber" <chuc-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2778
> Frankly, I don't see why everyone insists on jumping through hoops toavoid
> the T word.shameful
>
> "Hello, my name is Chuck, and I trailer my boat. I know it is a
> thing, but temptation got the best of me."too
>
> Using a trailer means you never have to lift a boat that got a little
> heavy (with the walnut breasthooks and all) to the top of yourSaturn. As
> an extra advantage, you can load that sandwich and quart of water inthe
> boat before you leave, and it will not be back in the car when youhave
> launched and are out on the lake.square boat,
>
> There, I feel better having got that off my chest.
>
> Chuck Leinweber
> Duckworks Magazine
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <KF4call@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 8:05 AM
> Subject: [bolger] small square boat transportation
>
>
> > Now that we all seem to have selected our favorite small
> > what do folks think about transporting these marvelous creatures?back
> >
> > 1) If the boats are small enough they can be mounted across the
> ofbumper of
> > your vehicle. I have seen small shelves built out from the rear
> > sufficient width to accomodate the freeboard of a small squareboat. I
> haveacross
> > a Tortoise, and a Brick or other 8 footer might also fit width-wise
> > the back, stood up on it's side. Looking underneath the back of myold
> Fordcould be
> > Taurus, there seem to be places where brackets for such a shelf
> > attached.that you
> >
> > 2) Sears used to sell a bracket for car-topping, designed so
> > would only have to lift half the weight of the boat at one time.It was
> > basically a pole that mounted vertically on the rear bumper, withthe top
> ofwas
> > the pipe just higher than the roof of the car. On top of the pole
> whatswivel
> > looked like an outboard motor bracket, mounted so that It could
> aroundinto this
> > the pole. You would lift the transom of the boat and fasten it
> > bracket. Then you would lift the bow, and walk it around to thefront of
> theIt used
> > car, where you could fasten the front of the boat to a roof rack.
> toboat.
> > work for the two of us with an O'Day Sprite, a heavy 10ft, beamy FG
> >
> > Any other ideas?
> >
> > Regards, Warren
> >
> Because dependance on cars is a sign of moral terptitude ;-)I don't own a car - only a couple of pickups. Does that mean I'm OK, David?
>
Chuck Leinweber
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
>Frankly, I don't see why everyone insists on jumping through hoops to avoidBecause dependance on cars is a sign of moral terptitude ;-)
>the T word.
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
Frankly, I don't see why everyone insists on jumping through hoops to avoid
the T word.
"Hello, my name is Chuck, and I trailer my boat. I know it is a shameful
thing, but temptation got the best of me."
Using a trailer means you never have to lift a boat that got a little too
heavy (with the walnut breasthooks and all) to the top of your Saturn. As
an extra advantage, you can load that sandwich and quart of water in the
boat before you leave, and it will not be back in the car when you have
launched and are out on the lake.
There, I feel better having got that off my chest.
Chuck Leinweber
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
the T word.
"Hello, my name is Chuck, and I trailer my boat. I know it is a shameful
thing, but temptation got the best of me."
Using a trailer means you never have to lift a boat that got a little too
heavy (with the walnut breasthooks and all) to the top of your Saturn. As
an extra advantage, you can load that sandwich and quart of water in the
boat before you leave, and it will not be back in the car when you have
launched and are out on the lake.
There, I feel better having got that off my chest.
Chuck Leinweber
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <KF4call@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 8:05 AM
Subject: [bolger] small square boat transportation
> Now that we all seem to have selected our favorite small square boat,
> what do folks think about transporting these marvelous creatures?
>
> 1) If the boats are small enough they can be mounted across the back
of
> your vehicle. I have seen small shelves built out from the rear bumper of
> sufficient width to accomodate the freeboard of a small square boat. I
have
> a Tortoise, and a Brick or other 8 footer might also fit width-wise across
> the back, stood up on it's side. Looking underneath the back of my old
Ford
> Taurus, there seem to be places where brackets for such a shelf could be
> attached.
>
> 2) Sears used to sell a bracket for car-topping, designed so that you
> would only have to lift half the weight of the boat at one time. It was
> basically a pole that mounted vertically on the rear bumper, with the top
of
> the pipe just higher than the roof of the car. On top of the pole was
what
> looked like an outboard motor bracket, mounted so that It could swivel
around
> the pole. You would lift the transom of the boat and fasten it into this
> bracket. Then you would lift the bow, and walk it around to the front of
the
> car, where you could fasten the front of the boat to a roof rack. It used
to
> work for the two of us with an O'Day Sprite, a heavy 10ft, beamy FG boat.
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> Regards, Warren
>
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> Now that we all seem to have selected our favorite small square boat,Build the boat real cheap and real ugly and leave it at the place you
>what do folks think about transporting these marvelous creatures?
>
> 1) If the boats are small enough they can be mounted across the back of
>your vehicle.
>
> 2) Sears used to sell a bracket for car-topping,
>
>Any other ideas?
use it the most.
YIBB,
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
Now that we all seem to have selected our favorite small square boat,
what do folks think about transporting these marvelous creatures?
1) If the boats are small enough they can be mounted across the back of
your vehicle. I have seen small shelves built out from the rear bumper of
sufficient width to accomodate the freeboard of a small square boat. I have
a Tortoise, and a Brick or other 8 footer might also fit width-wise across
the back, stood up on it's side. Looking underneath the back of my old Ford
Taurus, there seem to be places where brackets for such a shelf could be
attached.
2) Sears used to sell a bracket for car-topping, designed so that you
would only have to lift half the weight of the boat at one time. It was
basically a pole that mounted vertically on the rear bumper, with the top of
the pipe just higher than the roof of the car. On top of the pole was what
looked like an outboard motor bracket, mounted so that It could swivel around
the pole. You would lift the transom of the boat and fasten it into this
bracket. Then you would lift the bow, and walk it around to the front of the
car, where you could fasten the front of the boat to a roof rack. It used to
work for the two of us with an O'Day Sprite, a heavy 10ft, beamy FG boat.
Any other ideas?
Regards, Warren
what do folks think about transporting these marvelous creatures?
1) If the boats are small enough they can be mounted across the back of
your vehicle. I have seen small shelves built out from the rear bumper of
sufficient width to accomodate the freeboard of a small square boat. I have
a Tortoise, and a Brick or other 8 footer might also fit width-wise across
the back, stood up on it's side. Looking underneath the back of my old Ford
Taurus, there seem to be places where brackets for such a shelf could be
attached.
2) Sears used to sell a bracket for car-topping, designed so that you
would only have to lift half the weight of the boat at one time. It was
basically a pole that mounted vertically on the rear bumper, with the top of
the pipe just higher than the roof of the car. On top of the pole was what
looked like an outboard motor bracket, mounted so that It could swivel around
the pole. You would lift the transom of the boat and fasten it into this
bracket. Then you would lift the bow, and walk it around to the front of the
car, where you could fasten the front of the boat to a roof rack. It used to
work for the two of us with an O'Day Sprite, a heavy 10ft, beamy FG boat.
Any other ideas?
Regards, Warren