Re: [bolger] Bolger's Bird of Dawning
Thanks to Fritz Funk's scanner and text cracker, I have posted the
chapter on Bird of Dawning to Bolger 3, the only place with any room
left in files. It is labeled originally enough, Bird of Dawning. I will
pull it if the file starts to get full.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/files/Bird%20of%20Dawning/
A side note, PCB was quoted in Woodenboat as saying Bird of Dawning by
John Masefield. was his favorite book. My father always maintained that
Masefield got the idea for the ship name Bird of Dawning off my Great
-----Grandfathers ship of the same name with the same rooster carving on
the transom. The only difference was the motto "The light comes after
me" was in Welsh.
HJ
triliji2000 wrote:
chapter on Bird of Dawning to Bolger 3, the only place with any room
left in files. It is labeled originally enough, Bird of Dawning. I will
pull it if the file starts to get full.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/files/Bird%20of%20Dawning/
A side note, PCB was quoted in Woodenboat as saying Bird of Dawning by
John Masefield. was his favorite book. My father always maintained that
Masefield got the idea for the ship name Bird of Dawning off my Great
-----Grandfathers ship of the same name with the same rooster carving on
the transom. The only difference was the motto "The light comes after
me" was in Welsh.
HJ
triliji2000 wrote:
>Hi All
>I am a new member and would like to introduce myself.
>My name is Jim Hunt and I have been cruising the Caribbean and Central
>and South America with my wife, Linda, and son, Triston for the past
>20 odd years.
>We have recently sold our steel French designed sailboat and bought,
>"Maggie Duff", Phil Bolger's "Bird of Dawning" design.
>We chose this design so we could finally cruise the Bahamas off the
>beaten track.
>
>We would like to converse with anyone who knows of these boats or owns
>one.
>I believe there were only 3 built but I could be wrong.
>The Maggie Duff was named after Peter Duff's wife and was built in 1988.
>Anyone have any info on this design?
>Also can anyone tell us how to contact Phil Bolger?
>I would like to purchase the sail and rigging plans if possible.
>The last owner made some changes ad we would like to restore her to
>the original design.
>Thanks and best regards to all
>Jim Hunt
>
>
>
Thanks for confirming the good features of the Thames Barge modeled boats.
Pictures would be great!
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/lst
Mark
triliji2000 wrote:
Pictures would be great!
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/lst
Mark
triliji2000 wrote:
> I would be happy to post some pics if I knew where this is accomplished.
> Thank you for your comments and interest.
> All the best
> Jim
Peter
Interesting, as this is the Maggie Duff, the vessel we are now the proud
owners of.
As you can see from the photos the previous owner had done some
modifications to the rig.
The most obvious being the goosenecked main instead of the sprit design.
We have changed this back to the original sprit for the main boom.
Thanks for the pics.
Regards
Jim
pvanderwaart wrote:
Interesting, as this is the Maggie Duff, the vessel we are now the proud
owners of.
As you can see from the photos the previous owner had done some
modifications to the rig.
The most obvious being the goosenecked main instead of the sprit design.
We have changed this back to the original sprit for the main boom.
Thanks for the pics.
Regards
Jim
pvanderwaart wrote:
> > I would be happy to post some pics if I knew where this is[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> accomplished.
>
> Actually, there are some pictures in the file section of the Bolger2
> group that I took off YachtWorld when the boat was listed there. I
> guess it must have been a year or more back.
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/Bird%20of%20Dawning/
>
> Do you look at the Bolger Group on the web? It's pretty easy to post
> photos via internet access.
>
> Peter
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> I would be happy to post some pics if I knew where this isaccomplished.
Actually, there are some pictures in the file section of the Bolger2
group that I took off YachtWorld when the boat was listed there. I
guess it must have been a year or more back.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/Bird%20of%20Dawning/
Do you look at the Bolger Group on the web? It's pretty easy to post
photos via internet access.
Peter
Howard
This particular vessel is built of fibreglas with an airex core.
She is very stiff for such a shallow draft. Being a deep water sailor
I have always owned deep draft vessels so I was a little nervous about
sailing such a shallow draft offshore. Coupled with the leeboards and
free standing mast this was a completely different type vessel than we
had ever owned or sailed.
We had to cinch up our shorts a bit to buy her and give it a go.
I am happy to say that she has exceeded our expectations. She is very
well balanced on and off the wind and she gives a fair turn of speed.
Off the wind she really flies being that she does not have a lot of
underwater profile. Her underwater midsections are fairly flat, sort
of like a Thames barge. I was a bit concerned about her propellor
cavitating in a seaway but happily this has not been a problem.
The leeboards were also new to us and we were uncertain how they would
be in a short choppy sea. They do tend to clunk every now and again
but by adding a small fender and cushioning the board against the hull
this can be eliminated. Short tacking is not a problem as we learned
to just leave both boards down while short tacking.
Her living quarters are very comfortable considering that the forward
section afore the mast is designated as a true working focs'le. Her
aft stateroom is very comfortable and cozy and her ventilation is
remarkable. I marvel at the genius of Mr. Bolger as he very ably
accomplished many difficult cruising criterion. for us at least.
The tabernacled mast is truly a delight and very easy to raise and
lower. The same is true of the mizzen and the boomkin. All spars fold
inward thus reducing the length of the vessel to her deck space and
bowsprit (this being fixed).
I would be happy to post some pics if I knew where this is accomplished.
Thank you for your comments and interest.
All the best
Jim
This particular vessel is built of fibreglas with an airex core.
She is very stiff for such a shallow draft. Being a deep water sailor
I have always owned deep draft vessels so I was a little nervous about
sailing such a shallow draft offshore. Coupled with the leeboards and
free standing mast this was a completely different type vessel than we
had ever owned or sailed.
We had to cinch up our shorts a bit to buy her and give it a go.
I am happy to say that she has exceeded our expectations. She is very
well balanced on and off the wind and she gives a fair turn of speed.
Off the wind she really flies being that she does not have a lot of
underwater profile. Her underwater midsections are fairly flat, sort
of like a Thames barge. I was a bit concerned about her propellor
cavitating in a seaway but happily this has not been a problem.
The leeboards were also new to us and we were uncertain how they would
be in a short choppy sea. They do tend to clunk every now and again
but by adding a small fender and cushioning the board against the hull
this can be eliminated. Short tacking is not a problem as we learned
to just leave both boards down while short tacking.
Her living quarters are very comfortable considering that the forward
section afore the mast is designated as a true working focs'le. Her
aft stateroom is very comfortable and cozy and her ventilation is
remarkable. I marvel at the genius of Mr. Bolger as he very ably
accomplished many difficult cruising criterion. for us at least.
The tabernacled mast is truly a delight and very easy to raise and
lower. The same is true of the mizzen and the boomkin. All spars fold
inward thus reducing the length of the vessel to her deck space and
bowsprit (this being fixed).
I would be happy to post some pics if I knew where this is accomplished.
Thank you for your comments and interest.
All the best
Jim
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, stephensonhw@a... wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I for one would like to have your impressions of the boat: e.g. how
well its construction (strip-planked?) has stood up to the intervening
years, and how well the various features (cabin layout, shallow hull,
propellor and rudder, masts in tabernacles, leeboards? etc) have
worked out in practice.
>
> I'm still 10,000 miles away from my library, so I'm working from
memory about the features, but I have a clear, but not necessarily
accurate, mental image of the design.
>
> Howard
>
> >I am a new member and would like to introduce myself.
> >My name is Jim Hunt and I have been cruising the Caribbean and >Central
> >and South America with my wife, Linda, and son, Triston for the past
> >20 odd years.
> >We have recently sold our steel French designed sailboat and >bought,
> >"Maggie Duff",
Phil Bolger's "Bird of Dawning" design.
Peter
Thank you very much for the information.
We consider ourselves very fortunate to own the "Bird"
She sails very well even under the modified rig of the previous owner.
I am a professional boatbuilder by trade. I worked at the Rybovich
yard where we only built cold moulded hulls. These are mainly
sportfishing hulls with the emphasis on light weight. I also worked at
the Monterey Boat Works and was foreman at Florida Marine. My
grandfather was a shipwright in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia and helped to
build the Bluenose and various other fishing vessels. I was fortunate
to have apprenticed under him as a youngster. My uncle was a very
accomplished metal fabricator and pattern maker. If I learned half of
what they have forgotten I am lucky. Jeez, this sounds like a
resume...sorry.
Anyhow thanks for the info and I am really enjoying this chatroom.
Best Regards
Jim
Thank you very much for the information.
We consider ourselves very fortunate to own the "Bird"
She sails very well even under the modified rig of the previous owner.
I am a professional boatbuilder by trade. I worked at the Rybovich
yard where we only built cold moulded hulls. These are mainly
sportfishing hulls with the emphasis on light weight. I also worked at
the Monterey Boat Works and was foreman at Florida Marine. My
grandfather was a shipwright in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia and helped to
build the Bluenose and various other fishing vessels. I was fortunate
to have apprenticed under him as a youngster. My uncle was a very
accomplished metal fabricator and pattern maker. If I learned half of
what they have forgotten I am lucky. Jeez, this sounds like a
resume...sorry.
Anyhow thanks for the info and I am really enjoying this chatroom.
Best Regards
Jim
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> Congratulations of getting a wonderful boat.
>
> > Also can anyone tell us how to contact Phil Bolger?
>
> The address we have on this list is:
>
> Phil Bolger & Friends
> 66 Atlantic St.
> Gloucester, MA 01930-1627, USA
>
> or
>
> P. O. box 1209
> Gloucester, MA 01930, USA
>
> (the latter being up to six hours faster...)
>
> fax (978) 282-1349
>
> Most have found that the best way to communicate with Mr. Bolger is
> by fax, with mail being second. His wife and partner, Sue,
> communicates by telephone somewhat selectively, mostly involving
> current projects and problems. The phone number is not widely
> circulated.
>
> There is a chapter about Bird of Dawning in Bolger's "Different
> Boats" which is out of print and possibly the most difficult of
> Bolger's books to find used. There are about 2 pages of text and 2 of
> drawings about "Bird" plus some material on a much bigger, alternate
> proposal that Duff considered at the same time. Someone on the list
> should be able to get you scan. Although I am sure you would find it
> interesting, there is nothing in the chapter that is especially novel
> or unexpected.
>
> You might write to Edy & Duff to see if they have some sort of old
> brochure info.
>
> Peter
Jim,
I for one would like to have your impressions of the boat: e.g. how well its construction (strip-planked?) has stood up to the intervening years, and how well the various features (cabin layout, shallow hull, propellor and rudder, masts in tabernacles, leeboards? etc) have worked out in practice.
I'm still 10,000 miles away from my library, so I'm working from memory about the features, but I have a clear, but not necessarily accurate, mental image of the design.
Howard
I for one would like to have your impressions of the boat: e.g. how well its construction (strip-planked?) has stood up to the intervening years, and how well the various features (cabin layout, shallow hull, propellor and rudder, masts in tabernacles, leeboards? etc) have worked out in practice.
I'm still 10,000 miles away from my library, so I'm working from memory about the features, but I have a clear, but not necessarily accurate, mental image of the design.
Howard
>I am a new member and would like to introduce myself.
>My name is Jim Hunt and I have been cruising the Caribbean and >Central
>and South America with my wife, Linda, and son, Triston for the past
>20 odd years.
>We have recently sold our steel French designed sailboat and >bought,
>"Maggie Duff", Phil Bolger's "Bird of Dawning" design.
Jim,
Congratulations of getting a wonderful boat.
Phil Bolger & Friends
66 Atlantic St.
Gloucester, MA 01930-1627, USA
or
P. O. box 1209
Gloucester, MA 01930, USA
(the latter being up to six hours faster...)
fax (978) 282-1349
Most have found that the best way to communicate with Mr. Bolger is
by fax, with mail being second. His wife and partner, Sue,
communicates by telephone somewhat selectively, mostly involving
current projects and problems. The phone number is not widely
circulated.
There is a chapter about Bird of Dawning in Bolger's "Different
Boats" which is out of print and possibly the most difficult of
Bolger's books to find used. There are about 2 pages of text and 2 of
drawings about "Bird" plus some material on a much bigger, alternate
proposal that Duff considered at the same time. Someone on the list
should be able to get you scan. Although I am sure you would find it
interesting, there is nothing in the chapter that is especially novel
or unexpected.
You might write to Edy & Duff to see if they have some sort of old
brochure info.
Peter
Congratulations of getting a wonderful boat.
> Also can anyone tell us how to contact Phil Bolger?The address we have on this list is:
Phil Bolger & Friends
66 Atlantic St.
Gloucester, MA 01930-1627, USA
or
P. O. box 1209
Gloucester, MA 01930, USA
(the latter being up to six hours faster...)
fax (978) 282-1349
Most have found that the best way to communicate with Mr. Bolger is
by fax, with mail being second. His wife and partner, Sue,
communicates by telephone somewhat selectively, mostly involving
current projects and problems. The phone number is not widely
circulated.
There is a chapter about Bird of Dawning in Bolger's "Different
Boats" which is out of print and possibly the most difficult of
Bolger's books to find used. There are about 2 pages of text and 2 of
drawings about "Bird" plus some material on a much bigger, alternate
proposal that Duff considered at the same time. Someone on the list
should be able to get you scan. Although I am sure you would find it
interesting, there is nothing in the chapter that is especially novel
or unexpected.
You might write to Edy & Duff to see if they have some sort of old
brochure info.
Peter
Hi All
I am a new member and would like to introduce myself.
My name is Jim Hunt and I have been cruising the Caribbean and Central
and South America with my wife, Linda, and son, Triston for the past
20 odd years.
We have recently sold our steel French designed sailboat and bought,
"Maggie Duff", Phil Bolger's "Bird of Dawning" design.
We chose this design so we could finally cruise the Bahamas off the
beaten track.
We would like to converse with anyone who knows of these boats or owns
one.
I believe there were only 3 built but I could be wrong.
The Maggie Duff was named after Peter Duff's wife and was built in 1988.
Anyone have any info on this design?
Also can anyone tell us how to contact Phil Bolger?
I would like to purchase the sail and rigging plans if possible.
The last owner made some changes ad we would like to restore her to
the original design.
Thanks and best regards to all
Jim Hunt
I am a new member and would like to introduce myself.
My name is Jim Hunt and I have been cruising the Caribbean and Central
and South America with my wife, Linda, and son, Triston for the past
20 odd years.
We have recently sold our steel French designed sailboat and bought,
"Maggie Duff", Phil Bolger's "Bird of Dawning" design.
We chose this design so we could finally cruise the Bahamas off the
beaten track.
We would like to converse with anyone who knows of these boats or owns
one.
I believe there were only 3 built but I could be wrong.
The Maggie Duff was named after Peter Duff's wife and was built in 1988.
Anyone have any info on this design?
Also can anyone tell us how to contact Phil Bolger?
I would like to purchase the sail and rigging plans if possible.
The last owner made some changes ad we would like to restore her to
the original design.
Thanks and best regards to all
Jim Hunt