[bolger] Boat trailer built from wood?

BO>I am considering building a boat trailer from wood using a standard 60"
BO>2000-lb. capacity axle kit. Has anyone built or know of anyone who
BO>has built a boat trailer from wood?

The (once) local Bobcat was on a custom-made wooden trailer because no
off-the-shelf trailer could cope with the Bobcat dimensions. An
engineer friend designed it for the original builders is my memory. The
timbers used were BIG, or looked it anyway, once together. Trailer was
still relatively light. I'll see if I can contact.

Flying Tadpole's trailer is actually the spine of a rotating stage from
a now defunct theatre set. But then, all the world's...
"rafael, meyer" <meyer.rafae-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=3039
> Ed's description of this awkward trailer makes me think that flat
bottom
> boats are less convenient for trailering than hulls with a full
length skeg
> pulled over nylon rollers.
>
> --
> Meyer
>
> >Frankly, I don't like it & can't quite recommend the art of. A
trailer has
> >to take abuse and, above all, neglect. But anything can be built if
for you
>
> >time is cheaper than money. Hope this helps. If not, lemme know.
Looks like
>
> >you're in Texas. Too far to visit easily.
>

Rafael,
Not really less convenient,just a different way of doing
it.Something like the difference between driving a car with either an
automatic transmission or a manual one.You eventually become very
proficient at it.
Also,for those flat bottom boats with something of a
keel(Oldshoe,Micro etc) I have found it to be most helpful to transport
my Micro using a vehicle transport trailer instead of a more
conventional trailer and using a craddle to support the boat while on
the trailer.After 6 seasons of use,this method has yet to cause me any
grief.With a very straightforward craddle,designed with openings to
allow the keel to pass,you are always assured that the boat is properly
supported/positioned while trailering,despite it's apparent rocker
which may be something of a head-ache to deal with if one uses a
conventional boat trailer with rollers etc.....

Sincerely,

Peter Lenihan,staring out over the snow-bound shores of the
St.Lawrence,anxiously anticipating another altogether altruistic
answer,with glee.....
Ed's description of this awkward trailer makes me think that flat bottom
boats are less convenient for trailering than hulls with a full length skeg
pulled over nylon rollers.

--
Meyer

>Frankly, I don't like it & can't quite recommend the art of. A trailer has
>to take abuse and, above all, neglect. But anything can be built if for you

>time is cheaper than money. Hope this helps. If not, lemme know. Looks like

>you're in Texas. Too far to visit easily.
For Tim Webber,

I don't have a picture immediately. So I'll describe it. It doesn't have a
drop of paint. It's shaped (top view) like a paddle, having a plywood deck
that fans out to 7' after a short tongue. Bill bolted on a tandem axle
assembly. I blew out one tire crossing the Blue Ridge & lost another one day
here at home. Happily they shared the same axle, so I fell to using the
remaining two on one axle. The emply rear flange still clears the road by an
inch or two. It's a perfectly flat bed, big as a dance floor, with some nice
bushy carpet stapled on where you need it and an addition hundred or so
square feet just to make sure. That is, a Martha Jane's rockered bottom
bears on about three square feet. Bill has a bow cradle and all, but I don't
even bother to pull it up that far. Still plenty of tongue weight. I haven't
examined Bill's framework, but knowing the man I am sure it is overbuilt. It
floats but my weight (240) is enough to sink any trailer including this one.

Frankly, I don't like it & can't quite recommend the art of. A trailer has
to take abuse and, above all, neglect. But anything can be built if for you
time is cheaper than money. Hope this helps. If not, lemme know. Looks like
you're in Texas. Too far to visit easily.

Ed Haile


>From: T Webber <tbertw@...>
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>To:bolger@egroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] Re: Boat trailer built from wood?
>Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 08:25:17 -0600
>
>Edward,
>
>Thanks for the post about the wooden trailer! Would love to wee some
>pictures of the boat and trailer! If you could take a picture of the
>trailer alone, that would be neat also.
>
>thanks in advance,
>Tim - the one near Houston
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Edward,

Thanks for the post about the wooden trailer! Would love to wee some
pictures of the boat and trailer! If you could take a picture of the
trailer alone, that would be neat also.

thanks in advance,
Tim - the one near Houston
Whose rule was it that the boat would cost $5 a pound?

Now, if that applied to the trailer as well....

edward haile wrote:
>
> My boat trailer is wood. I use it to haul my Martha Jane, a boat that weighs
> over a ton. The trailer weighs about that too. It's made of 2x6 fir,
> including the tongue, with decks of 3/4 ply, presumably marine. I bought it
> from the guy I bought the boat from, namely, Bill Jochems. He lives in
> western Colorado. I live in eastern Virginia. I towed it just fine 2000
> miles over the Rockies in the snow. Back home in the Rappahannock, yes, it
> floats, but I have launched and recovered my 24' boat just fine. Legal? It
> was in Colorado. So far I have not made my presence known to the friendly
> people in Virginia. Safe? Strong? Durable? Strange that people who build
> wooden boats feel like trailers, to be strong, must be steel. But durable?
> That's the rub. I cannot keep it covered. Sooner or later it will
> deteriorate, so for that reason I shall buy a steel trailer when feasible.
>
> >From: "Paul M. Fieret" <pmfieret@...>
> >Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
> >To:bolger@...
> >Subject: [bolger] Boat trailer built from wood?
> >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:29:18 -0800
> >
> >I am considering building a boat trailer from wood using a standard 60"
> >2000-lb. capacity axle kit. Has anyone built or know of anyone who
> >has built a boat trailer from wood? Are there plans available for wood
> >constructed boat trailers? Do you think I could use the same plans sold
> >for that cold, dirty, unforgiving stuff ( steel ) ? The boat that will
> >be used with the trailer is Phil Bolgers "Diablo". A 15' plywood
> >center console ( modified ) skiff with a 25 hp. outboard. Any help in
> >this subject will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
> >
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My boat trailer is wood. I use it to haul my Martha Jane, a boat that weighs
over a ton. The trailer weighs about that too. It's made of 2x6 fir,
including the tongue, with decks of 3/4 ply, presumably marine. I bought it
from the guy I bought the boat from, namely, Bill Jochems. He lives in
western Colorado. I live in eastern Virginia. I towed it just fine 2000
miles over the Rockies in the snow. Back home in the Rappahannock, yes, it
floats, but I have launched and recovered my 24' boat just fine. Legal? It
was in Colorado. So far I have not made my presence known to the friendly
people in Virginia. Safe? Strong? Durable? Strange that people who build
wooden boats feel like trailers, to be strong, must be steel. But durable?
That's the rub. I cannot keep it covered. Sooner or later it will
deteriorate, so for that reason I shall buy a steel trailer when feasible.


>From: "Paul M. Fieret" <pmfieret@...>
>Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
>To:bolger@...
>Subject: [bolger] Boat trailer built from wood?
>Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:29:18 -0800
>
>I am considering building a boat trailer from wood using a standard 60"
>2000-lb. capacity axle kit. Has anyone built or know of anyone who
>has built a boat trailer from wood? Are there plans available for wood
>constructed boat trailers? Do you think I could use the same plans sold
>for that cold, dirty, unforgiving stuff ( steel ) ? The boat that will
>be used with the trailer is Phil Bolgers "Diablo". A 15' plywood
>center console ( modified ) skiff with a 25 hp. outboard. Any help in
>this subject will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
>
>
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A wood trailer is ok as long as you are talking about launching and
recovering with the trailer bed out of the water. I have seen too many
frustrated boaters trying to recover their (usually pontoon) boats onto
floating trailers. If your boat is big enough to require immersion of the
trailer to recover, better go to steel.
Don Hodges
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Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 12:44 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Boat trailer built from wood?


> richard <richar-@...> wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2770
> >snip Rough guess is a sold 4x8 wood
> > beam would be approximatly as strong as a 2x3 hollow steel beam. Any
> of you
> > "I is an engineer" types care to take a stab at this?
> >
> I R an ungineer of sorts. I did a rough calculation based on steel with
> strength of 40,000psi (pretty mild, but you're not heat treating those
> welds?), wood 4,000 psi. I'm really not sure what size tubing is right
> for a trailer, but I decided to compare 2X2" with 1/8" wall with solid
> wood. A wood beam 3.25" square ought to be about as strong, and a
> little lighter, with above assumptions plus 40lb/cubic foot density.
> THis hasn't been heavily double checked, which you should do before
> using this info for anything safety related. Also be careful how you
> extrapolate unless you have a basic understanding of strength of
> materials. It's not completely common sense.
>
> Don't ask me about elasticity as I don't have info on the elastic
> modulus of wood handy, unless you want to use 4 lb balsa (100,000 to
> 200,000 psi elastic modulus, NOT strength).
>
> The real problem is how you get your hard points to tie in axle and
> tongue hardware. You don't want any point loads to crush the wood
> across the grain. Also, you have to be sure any joints between pieces
> don't compromise the strength. With proper design, you can more easily
> taper the wood to save some weight.
>
> Of course if you weld your own, you have to make sure the welds are
> good. I'm not very knowledgable about this except I know from personal
> experience it's easy to do a bad weld if you're not really a welder.
>
> I think a properly designed wood trailer would be a fine thing.
> Probably lighter, probably nicer looking, might last longer.
>
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Are wooden trailers legal? I know car chassis used to be made of wood, a
la coaches, but didn't hat involve pretty massive oak members? Would it
be cost prohibitive?
djb

"Paul W. Esterle" wrote:

>
> Stevenson Projects had a set of plans for a wooden trailer available. It
was for one of their small boats and looked pretty good. They have a web
site, although I don't have the URL.

Paul W. Esterle
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423.989.3159
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Bristol, Tenn. USA
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From: Paul M. Fieret <pmfieret@...>
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Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 11:29 PM
Subject: [bolger] Boat trailer built from wood?

> I am considering building a boat trailer from wood using a standard 60"
> 2000-lb. capacity axle kit. Has anyone built or know of anyone who
> has built a boat trailer from wood? Are there plans available for wood
> constructed boat trailers? Do you think I could use the same plans sold
> for that cold, dirty, unforgiving stuff ( steel ) ? The boat that will
> be used with the trailer is Phil Bolgers "Diablo". A 15' plywood
> center console ( modified ) skiff with a 25 hp. outboard. Any help in
> this subject will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
>
>
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In either Woodenboat or SBJ, there was an article/picture showing a wooden
trailer built using motorcycle wheels. The real problem was disclosed as a
trailer that floated. How do you get a boat on a trailer that floats?

I think Patrick is probably right, although reviewing the cars that ride
around in FL these days (now that we did away with inspections) causes one
to shudder and actually think a wooden trailer would be an improvement in
overall safety.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick Crockett [mailto:pcrockett@...]
> Sent: February 15, 2000 9:34 PM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Boat trailer built from wood?
>
>
> I had the impression that most states will not license wooden trailers.
>
> Patrick
>
> >I am considering building a boat trailer from wood using a standard 60"
> >2000-lb. capacity axle kit. Has anyone built or know of anyone who
> >has built a boat trailer from wood? Are there plans available for wood
> >constructed boat trailers? Do you think I could use the same plans sold
>
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I had the impression that most states will not license wooden trailers.

Patrick

>I am considering building a boat trailer from wood using a standard 60"
>2000-lb. capacity axle kit. Has anyone built or know of anyone who
>has built a boat trailer from wood? Are there plans available for wood
>constructed boat trailers? Do you think I could use the same plans sold
List,

I recall that in one of Bernie's Common Sense News issues, a builder built
a wooden trailer. It worked fine to the lake and thru the launch. However,
whe he went to retrieve the boat, the trailer floated. ( My wife would NOT
volunteer to go in and be trailer ballast!!!!).

Don't know if this is a true story or a "beer filled yarn", but is
something to think about.

Tim - the one near Houston
richard <richar-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2770
>snip Rough guess is a sold 4x8 wood
> beam would be approximatly as strong as a 2x3 hollow steel beam. Any
of you
> "I is an engineer" types care to take a stab at this?
>
I R an ungineer of sorts. I did a rough calculation based on steel with
strength of 40,000psi (pretty mild, but you're not heat treating those
welds?), wood 4,000 psi. I'm really not sure what size tubing is right
for a trailer, but I decided to compare 2X2" with 1/8" wall with solid
wood. A wood beam 3.25" square ought to be about as strong, and a
little lighter, with above assumptions plus 40lb/cubic foot density.
THis hasn't been heavily double checked, which you should do before
using this info for anything safety related. Also be careful how you
extrapolate unless you have a basic understanding of strength of
materials. It's not completely common sense.

Don't ask me about elasticity as I don't have info on the elastic
modulus of wood handy, unless you want to use 4 lb balsa (100,000 to
200,000 psi elastic modulus, NOT strength).

The real problem is how you get your hard points to tie in axle and
tongue hardware. You don't want any point loads to crush the wood
across the grain. Also, you have to be sure any joints between pieces
don't compromise the strength. With proper design, you can more easily
taper the wood to save some weight.

Of course if you weld your own, you have to make sure the welds are
good. I'm not very knowledgable about this except I know from personal
experience it's easy to do a bad weld if you're not really a welder.

I think a properly designed wood trailer would be a fine thing.
Probably lighter, probably nicer looking, might last longer.
Paul,
I built a Diablo and currently use a standard small trailer for a 13'
boat. I use a 10hp Longshaft Johnson which provides plenty of
horsepower for this light boat. I think the 25hp is overkill and is
adding to your problem. Consider finding a used trailer and downsizing
the engine.

David Jost
"glorious day in Massachusetts"

"paul m. fieret" <pmfiere-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2768
> I am considering building a boat trailer from wood using a standard
60"
> 2000-lb. capacity axle kit. Has anyone built or know of anyone who
> has built a boat trailer from wood? Are there plans available for wood
> constructed boat trailers? Do you think I could use the same plans
sold
> for that cold, dirty, unforgiving stuff ( steel ) ? The boat that
will
> be used with the trailer is Phil Bolgers "Diablo". A 15' plywood
> center console ( modified ) skiff with a 25 hp. outboard. Any help
in
> this subject will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
>
> I am considering building a boat trailer from wood using a standard
60"
> 2000-lb. capacity axle kit. Has anyone built or know of anyone who
> has built a boat trailer from wood? Are there plans available for wood
> constructed boat trailers?

A couple thoughts.

1) There was an article about a boat trailer in Woodenboat a couple
years ago. It was for a rowing boat hardly bigger than a canoe. A very
elegant affair sort of like a trotting sulky (sp?). I mention this in
order to also mention that there was a letter in a subsequent issue
from a trailer design engineer who thought the trailer's geometry was
poor, even dangerous.

2) I should think that a 2000# capacity trailer would be a poor match
for a Diablo. It is important the the springs of the trailer be sized
properly for the load. If the springs are too stiff, the boat takes a
beating and the trailer wheels may not stay on the road properly.

3) Glen-L sells plans for steel trailers in various sizes for about
$25. You can also save money off ordinary retail purchase by gettng a
knock-down kit.

4) If you are going to near salt water, every metal part should be
galvanized, if possible. I've had wheels, axles, shocks, and all sorts
of other parts rust into dust while the galvanized trailer frame stayed
immutable. Trailer lights are a different story. In my experience,
there are two possibilities: a) keep them dry or b) replace them every
couple of years.

Peter
Paul, I built a boat trailer of wood for my Martha Jane. I was guided by the
simple plan shown by S.S.Rabl on page 100 of Boat Building In Your Own
Backyard. I used two axles and large wheels (so the spare tire from my truck
would fit the trailer). The trailer was plenty strong and overly heavy and
the buoyancy of the trailer and four tires was so great that the trailer
floated with its deck three inches out of the water. Launching and retrieval
was a bit difficult.
By the time you buy the lumber, axle, springs, wheels, hitch and wiring
components, plus some sort of steel plate or channel to mount the running
gear to the wood frame, it may prove cheaper to buy a steel trailer. And
sometimes people are selling old, worn-out boats with trailers so cheaply
that you can haul the old boat to the dump and still have a bargain trailer.
Bill Jochems
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Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 7:26 AM
Subject: [bolger] Boat trailer built from wood?


>I am considering building a boat trailer from wood using a standard 60"
>2000-lb. capacity axle kit. Has anyone built or know of anyone who
>has built a boat trailer from wood? Are there plans available for wood
>constructed boat trailers? Do you think I could use the same plans sold
>for that cold, dirty, unforgiving stuff ( steel ) ? The boat that will
>be used with the trailer is Phil Bolgers "Diablo". A 15' plywood
>center console ( modified ) skiff with a 25 hp. outboard. Any help in
>this subject will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
>
>
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This has been done, I've even seen pictures on the net. Actualy, if I recall correctly, the boat on the trailer was a Diablo...

I considered building mine of wood as well.

Personaly, I wouldn't recomend it. Steel may be cold, dirty, and unforgiving, but it is also extraordinarily tough and strong.

If you do decide to go this route, be sure to size your stuctural members to be as strong as the steel you are replacing. Rough guess is a sold 4x8 wood beam would be approximatly as strong as a 2x3 hollow steel beam. Any of you "I is an engineer" types care to take a stab at this?

Also, be sure to epoxy and glass tape the joints. 10 or so layers might be enough....if you bolt the beams together with steel bolt....

All in all, it would be easier to design it, then pay someone else to weld it....

Me, I used it as an excuse to buy a welder and learn to weld.... only had one piece fall off so far! hehehehe

"Paul M. Fieret" wrote:

I am considering building a boat trailer from wood using a standard 60"
2000-lb. capacity  axle kit.  Has anyone built or know of anyone who
has built a boat trailer from wood? Are there plans available for wood
constructed boat trailers? Do you think I could use the same plans sold
for that cold, dirty, unforgiving stuff  ( steel ) ? The boat that will
be used with the trailer is Phil Bolgers "Diablo". A 15' plywood
center console  ( modified ) skiff  with a 25 hp. outboard. Any help in
this subject will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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Stevenson Projects had a set of plans for a wooden trailer available. It
was for one of their small boats and looked pretty good. They have a web
site, although I don't have the URL.

Paul W. Esterle
Capt'n Pauley Video Productions
423.989.3159
S/V Bryn Awel, Columbia 10.7
Bristol, Tenn. USA
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----- Original Message -----
From: Paul M. Fieret <pmfieret@...>
To: <bolger@...>
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 11:29 PM
Subject: [bolger] Boat trailer built from wood?


> I am considering building a boat trailer from wood using a standard 60"
> 2000-lb. capacity axle kit. Has anyone built or know of anyone who
> has built a boat trailer from wood? Are there plans available for wood
> constructed boat trailers? Do you think I could use the same plans sold
> for that cold, dirty, unforgiving stuff ( steel ) ? The boat that will
> be used with the trailer is Phil Bolgers "Diablo". A 15' plywood
> center console ( modified ) skiff with a 25 hp. outboard. Any help in
> this subject will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
>
>
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I am considering building a boat trailer from wood using a standard 60"
2000-lb. capacity axle kit. Has anyone built or know of anyone who
has built a boat trailer from wood? Are there plans available for wood
constructed boat trailers? Do you think I could use the same plans sold
for that cold, dirty, unforgiving stuff ( steel ) ? The boat that will
be used with the trailer is Phil Bolgers "Diablo". A 15' plywood
center console ( modified ) skiff with a 25 hp. outboard. Any help in
this subject will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!