Re: [bolger] Re: Superbrick Challenge Rules
are you going to bring enough for everyone? I better put in another
$20 Aus towards the super brick.
$20 Aus towards the super brick.
On Monday, May 12, 2003, at 03:26 AM, Mark A. wrote:
>
>
> Peter Page wrote:
> >
> > You don't kill fish? I suppose you drink de-cafe non fat soy late'.
>
> This is what I'm bringing to the Superbrick launch
>http://www.peta.org/liv/r/vegsushi.html
> Mark
>
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Aorta
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Thanks for the progress photos.
Looking good!
Rick
Looking good!
Rick
I went out digging around the shed and found my test lauan with the 2
oz glass cloth painted on it. I used the cheapest possible Battleship
Gray ($8/gal) generic "Acrylic Fortified Porch Floor Paint" and also
some red Ace Hardware outdoor acrylic enamel.
The test piece was found with both outer plies delaminated after
sitting ignored for 2 years (near 4 yrs total) on the platform
outside the shed in rain, snow, freezing, under fallen leaves, etc.
\
The painted-on-glass cloth was still clinging tightly to the outer
ply of the lauan. No difference seen in the behavior of the different
paints.
--
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oz glass cloth painted on it. I used the cheapest possible Battleship
Gray ($8/gal) generic "Acrylic Fortified Porch Floor Paint" and also
some red Ace Hardware outdoor acrylic enamel.
The test piece was found with both outer plies delaminated after
sitting ignored for 2 years (near 4 yrs total) on the platform
outside the shed in rain, snow, freezing, under fallen leaves, etc.
\
The painted-on-glass cloth was still clinging tightly to the outer
ply of the lauan. No difference seen in the behavior of the different
paints.
--
Craig O'Donnell
Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
The Cheap Pages <http://www2.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
_________________________________
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-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
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>Yes, it is I that you saw in the Rhode River not the South River.Ah. Had I not been interrupted by the Kayaking Traffic Squad ... I
>After I anchored (behind Big I.) I rowed over the the YMCA camp and
>was told that you had left.
would have just followed you over to the anchorage. Rhode River. Yes.
I don't know why I said South R. <chuckle>. I hope you got to chat
with Jay H. and John Harris
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Yes, it is I that you saw in the Rhode River not the South River.
After I anchored (behind Big I.) I rowed over the the YMCA camp and
was told that you had left.
After I anchored (behind Big I.) I rowed over the the YMCA camp and
was told that you had left.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, craig o'donnell <dadadata@f...> wrote:
> In what may be a Chesapeake first, the Chebacco "Samantha" was
> sighted in South River this afternoon. Although I spoke to the
> skipper I did not get his name. I believe the hailing port was
> Portland ME.
>
> Anyone know who this is?
> --
> Craig O'Donnell
> Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
> <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
> The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
> The Cheap Pages <http://www2.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
> Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese
Junks,
> American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
> Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
> _________________________________
>
> -- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
> -- Macintosh kinda guy
> Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
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I understand from a newspaper article that the leader of PETA likes auto
racing. I think a lot of bugs and the occasional bird are dying this
way. She should switch over to SuperBrick racing; they will be too slow
to damage anything. I seem to recall a Russian science fiction story
where an cosmonaut ended up eating nothing but uranium as he met
intelligent life forms resembling everything else he could eat. Let's
keep that cosmonaut (and maybe the author) off Bruce's homemade nuclear
powered aircraft carrier and his dishes away from Bruce's potlucks at
the messabout.
Lincoln Ross
(former vegetarian)
racing. I think a lot of bugs and the occasional bird are dying this
way. She should switch over to SuperBrick racing; they will be too slow
to damage anything. I seem to recall a Russian science fiction story
where an cosmonaut ended up eating nothing but uranium as he met
intelligent life forms resembling everything else he could eat. Let's
keep that cosmonaut (and maybe the author) off Bruce's homemade nuclear
powered aircraft carrier and his dishes away from Bruce's potlucks at
the messabout.
Lincoln Ross
(former vegetarian)
> Mark A. Peter Page wrote:
>
>>>
>>> You don't kill fish? I suppose you drink de-cafe non fat soy late'.
>>
>>
>
>This is what I'm bringing to the Superbrick launch
>http://www.peta.org/liv/r/vegsushi.html
>Mark
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@r...> wrote:
keep that cosmonaut (and maybe the author) off Bruce's homemade
nuclear powered aircraft carrier and his dishes away from Bruce's
potlucks at the messabout.
Hey! I resemble that remark!
Bruce "Tex" Hector
Carmelizer of killer beans.
>She had the perceptive observationMy wife has employed a similar rational to excuse my expenditures on
>this morning...that building a
>Superbrick makes as least as much
>(non-)sense as spending the equivalent
>amount of time and money on golf.
>...especially if it makes me happy.
plywood, epoxy, etc.
Since I first ordered "Instant Boats" I bet I've spent $3K-$4 on
plans, tools, materials, etc. Over four years that not to terribly
much for a grown up hobby, and I've now got 3 boats that cost me
nothing to enjoy, and a shop full of nice tools.
More significantly, I now tackle household handyman tasks with
reckless confidence. Among other things, I've cut a hole in my
countertop to put in a gas cook top (plumbed the gasline too) and cut
several holes in my house (and then successfully plugged them with
windows, vents, etc.) Out here on the East End (one of the highest
concentrations of wealth in the world) these services don't come
cheap; there's no doubt I've "saved" at least $2K with the tools and
skills that building these wonderful plywood boxes has brought me.
This Winter my wife and I made a beautiful tile-topped, maple legged
and skirted table; custom sized for our dinning room. She got the
idea from a William Sonoma catalog where they wanted $1200. Ours cost
$200, and she got to pick the tile.
But most of all it makes me very, very happy. Talking up boats on
here is fun. Dreaming about building and sailing our I60 is fun.
Catching fluke out of my dory is fun. Scooning around Lake Montauk
with Maggie in the LSME is very, very fun. (My wife got me a First
Naval Jack aka Don't Tread On Me flag for her.)
I've got to wonder, do motorheads spend as much time "justifying" the
time they spend under the hood?
YIBB,
David
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Office (212) 247-0296
Looking good Bruce! Keep at it, and it'll be ready for the September
Messabout.
Bruce Hector
Messabout.
Bruce Hector
--- "David Romasco" wrote:
this morning...that building a
Superbrick makes as least as much
(non-)sense as spending the equivalent
amount of time and money on golf.
...especially if it makes me happy.
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/micro/300/
...shows the current status of my Micro
Navigator project. Not that far from
being done...and after that...who knows?
> Book-ended by Bruce H's!!!!She had the perceptive observation
> Perennial Boy vs Long-Suffering Wife dance!
this morning...that building a
Superbrick makes as least as much
(non-)sense as spending the equivalent
amount of time and money on golf.
...especially if it makes me happy.
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/micro/300/
...shows the current status of my Micro
Navigator project. Not that far from
being done...and after that...who knows?
Peter Page wrote:
http://www.peta.org/liv/r/vegsushi.html
Mark
>This is what I'm bringing to the Superbrick launch
> You don't kill fish? I suppose you drink de-cafe non fat soy late'.
http://www.peta.org/liv/r/vegsushi.html
Mark
You don't kill fish? I suppose you drink de-cafe non fat soy late'.
On Saturday, May 10, 2003, at 12:16 PM, Mark A. wrote:
>
>
>
>
> > ... my Gull was
> > started on Memorial Day of '02, painted by 6/16, and killing fish by
> > 6/18.
>
> Just a reminder: From some points of view, killing fish is not so
> laudable.
>
> Mark
>
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>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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> away
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Peter Page
Aorta
P.O. Box 418 Emerald 3782
Victoria, Australia
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I see your piffle,and raise you two arrumphs! Unless I've been into
too much "fouled water" myself, I was simply supporting the good
idea that this remain indeed a Bolger SuperBrick. Yes,it is
something of a "shantyboat" even though it is not the SuperBrick
that pops into my mind whenever I see the term shantyboat.
How would YOU define exactly a Bolger SuperBrick ; as something
floating in the water with a cabin on it or by its design number?
At the beginning of this past week I had a nice long fax from PB&F's
where some of my intended mods have been strongly advocated against
and with sound reason. I will happily submit to their wise consul
precisely because it is indeed a WINDERMERE I want to build and not
some clowns(moi)"interpretation" of the masters work. Windermere is
the designers name for a clear and well defined design. It is not
representative of all"powerboats". Same goes for Superbrick.........
There clearly was some fear that this great challenge be dilluted
with too loose definitions(what some people will do to claim some
cash) of the animal in question, especially early on. I support our
Heros work and wish to see examples of his work as much as the next
guy. Your SuperBrick challenge idea is beautiful.I just want to make
sure when my turn comes to go for a ride in it, a SuperBrick it will
be.:-) I'm also sure Jim Pope feels the same about his ride.
So, no puppycocks for me please, I prefer fish eyes.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, a proud supporter of the Bolger SuperBrick
challenge,no matter what anyone says,from along the shores of the
St.Lawrence.............
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
too much "fouled water" myself, I was simply supporting the good
idea that this remain indeed a Bolger SuperBrick. Yes,it is
something of a "shantyboat" even though it is not the SuperBrick
that pops into my mind whenever I see the term shantyboat.
How would YOU define exactly a Bolger SuperBrick ; as something
floating in the water with a cabin on it or by its design number?
At the beginning of this past week I had a nice long fax from PB&F's
where some of my intended mods have been strongly advocated against
and with sound reason. I will happily submit to their wise consul
precisely because it is indeed a WINDERMERE I want to build and not
some clowns(moi)"interpretation" of the masters work. Windermere is
the designers name for a clear and well defined design. It is not
representative of all"powerboats". Same goes for Superbrick.........
There clearly was some fear that this great challenge be dilluted
with too loose definitions(what some people will do to claim some
cash) of the animal in question, especially early on. I support our
Heros work and wish to see examples of his work as much as the next
guy. Your SuperBrick challenge idea is beautiful.I just want to make
sure when my turn comes to go for a ride in it, a SuperBrick it will
be.:-) I'm also sure Jim Pope feels the same about his ride.
So, no puppycocks for me please, I prefer fish eyes.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, a proud supporter of the Bolger SuperBrick
challenge,no matter what anyone says,from along the shores of the
St.Lawrence.............
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
> Pfffle I say, PIFFLE! What is a Superbrick if not a shantyboat100
> designed by the wizard of Gloucester himself?
>
> The rules are pretty clear.
>
> It must be a Bolger Superbrick. Simple.
>
> Peter, Is your Windemere a Windemere even though you're deviating
> slightly by building a double berh instead of two singles? Would a
> rose not smell as sweet by any other name?
>
> Does anyone have a material objection to any of the three rules
> previously posted.
>
> i.e:
>
> 1-Build to Bolger's plans and be recognizable as a Superbrick at
> yards.object
>
> 2-Have a SB interior. (Owner mods permitted. Who among us will
> to enlarging a cupboard, beer fridge, or berth? Or eliminating aof
> table in favor of a glass bottom fish viewing port? Or shrinking a
> berth in favour of a coal fired hot tub?)
>
> 3-Sail like a SB. (However badly that may be?)
>
> Lets not foul the SB water with excessive POPPYCOCK!
>
> Bruce Hector
> Already chilling beer and searching for the perfectly patched pair
> denim coveralls for the maiden voyage.if
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...>
> wrote:
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jim Pope <jpope@a...> wrote:
> > > If she's built to PCB plans ( and conforms to them) she wins,
> > not she doesn't. No shantyboats
> > > mislabeled.
> > > Jim
> > >
> >
> > I'll vote for that!
> >
> > Peter Lenihan
Pfffle I say, PIFFLE! What is a Superbrick if not a shantyboat
designed by the wizard of Gloucester himself?
The rules are pretty clear.
It must be a Bolger Superbrick. Simple.
Peter, Is your Windemere a Windemere even though you're deviating
slightly by building a double berh instead of two singles? Would a
rose not smell as sweet by any other name?
Does anyone have a material objection to any of the three rules
previously posted.
i.e:
1-Build to Bolger's plans and be recognizable as a Superbrick at 100
yards.
2-Have a SB interior. (Owner mods permitted. Who among us will object
to enlarging a cupboard, beer fridge, or berth? Or eliminating a
table in favor of a glass bottom fish viewing port? Or shrinking a
berth in favour of a coal fired hot tub?)
3-Sail like a SB. (However badly that may be?)
Lets not foul the SB water with excessive POPPYCOCK!
Bruce Hector
Already chilling beer and searching for the perfectly patched pair of
denim coveralls for the maiden voyage.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...>
wrote:
designed by the wizard of Gloucester himself?
The rules are pretty clear.
It must be a Bolger Superbrick. Simple.
Peter, Is your Windemere a Windemere even though you're deviating
slightly by building a double berh instead of two singles? Would a
rose not smell as sweet by any other name?
Does anyone have a material objection to any of the three rules
previously posted.
i.e:
1-Build to Bolger's plans and be recognizable as a Superbrick at 100
yards.
2-Have a SB interior. (Owner mods permitted. Who among us will object
to enlarging a cupboard, beer fridge, or berth? Or eliminating a
table in favor of a glass bottom fish viewing port? Or shrinking a
berth in favour of a coal fired hot tub?)
3-Sail like a SB. (However badly that may be?)
Lets not foul the SB water with excessive POPPYCOCK!
Bruce Hector
Already chilling beer and searching for the perfectly patched pair of
denim coveralls for the maiden voyage.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...>
wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jim Pope <jpope@a...> wrote:
> > If she's built to PCB plans ( and conforms to them) she wins, if
> not she doesn't. No shantyboats
> > mislabeled.
> > Jim
> >
>
> I'll vote for that!
>
> Peter Lenihan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jim Pope <jpope@a...> wrote:
Peter Lenihan
> If she's built to PCB plans ( and conforms to them) she wins, ifnot she doesn't. No shantyboats
> mislabeled.I'll vote for that!
> Jim
>
Peter Lenihan
Thanks, Steve!
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The Cheap Pages <http://www2.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
_________________________________
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-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
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If she's built to PCB plans ( and conforms to them) she wins, if not she doesn't. No shantyboats
mislabeled.
Jim
Bruce Hector wrote:
mislabeled.
Jim
Bruce Hector wrote:
> So the Superbrick rules are ammended as follows.
> 1-Must be a recognisable Bolger Superbrick.
> 2-Must have a superbrickish interior.
> 3-Must sail, even if the motor is needed on some (all?) points.
>
> ie; If it looks like a SB, if it smells like a SB, if it sails like a
> SB it's a Superbrick and the proud winner can collect his pot.
>
> Enforcement?
>
> Post photos or I'll (and anyone else who wants to see it) travel to
> see it, ride in it, drink a beer on the disco deck and throw my empty
> can (of COURSE I'll punch holes in it first, I'm environmentaly
> sound) overboard.
>
> Collection?
>
> It's a manner of honour. But we're such a fine upstanding group that
> I know posting all the pledgers names (where anyone can get their
> email address off the group) was only to egg on even more fanatic
> Bolgeristas to open up those Scottish purse strings a tad wider, and
> NOT to shame anyone into coughing up the scratch when the time comes.
>
> Bruce Hector
>http://www.rustcheckkingston.com
> Where the $$$ and time to waste on all these boats comes from.
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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According to the registry at www.chebacco.com, SAMANTHA is a modified
Chebacco owned by Paul Thober of Portland, ME (prthober@...).
The boat was completed and launched in August 2002. Here's his
description of the modications:
"I eliminated the centerboard in favor of the keel shown in "Boats
With an Open Mind" to make the cabin roomier. I also extended the
cabin aft to the next frame, widened it six inches on either side and
raised the aft end of the roof 6 inches."
Chebacco owned by Paul Thober of Portland, ME (prthober@...).
The boat was completed and launched in August 2002. Here's his
description of the modications:
"I eliminated the centerboard in favor of the keel shown in "Boats
With an Open Mind" to make the cabin roomier. I also extended the
cabin aft to the next frame, widened it six inches on either side and
raised the aft end of the roof 6 inches."
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, craig o'donnell <dadadata@f...> wrote:
> In what may be a Chesapeake first, the Chebacco "Samantha" was
> sighted in South River this afternoon. Although I spoke to the
> skipper I did not get his name. I believe the hailing port was
> Portland ME.
>
> Anyone know who this is?
> --
> Craig O'Donnell
> Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
In what may be a Chesapeake first, the Chebacco "Samantha" was
sighted in South River this afternoon. Although I spoke to the
skipper I did not get his name. I believe the hailing port was
Portland ME.
Anyone know who this is?
--
Craig O'Donnell
Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
The Cheap Pages <http://www2.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
_________________________________
-- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
_________________________________
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sighted in South River this afternoon. Although I spoke to the
skipper I did not get his name. I believe the hailing port was
Portland ME.
Anyone know who this is?
--
Craig O'Donnell
Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
The Cheap Pages <http://www2.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
_________________________________
-- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
_________________________________
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Like a floating cottage isn't enough? Do you have any idea what
waterfront property on the Chesapeake Bay goes for these days?
waterfront property on the Chesapeake Bay goes for these days?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
> Does anyone see utility besides as a self-propelled floating
cottage?
>
> Peter
You need some great existential purpose beyond self propelled
floating cottage? Why?
Why not? Is the best answer.
Isn't that enough?
Bruce Hector (the othe "H")
don't look athttp://www.brucesboats.comuntil Monday night please!
floating cottage? Why?
Why not? Is the best answer.
Isn't that enough?
Bruce Hector (the othe "H")
don't look athttp://www.brucesboats.comuntil Monday night please!
Serious question: supposing one owned an actual SuperBrick, what
would one do with it besides live on it? Does anyone see utility
besides as a self-propelled floating cottage?
Peter
would one do with it besides live on it? Does anyone see utility
besides as a self-propelled floating cottage?
Peter
Where do I find a basic concept drawing (or photo) of the great Superbrick? With this much interest, I must be missing something.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Hallman
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 3:52 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Superbrick Challenge Rules
--- "David Romasco" wrote:
> your Significant Other
I was discussing that I wanted
to build a Superbrick with my
S.O. this morning, and she said
that I *should* build one.
I don't have anyone else to blame
for not building, except myself.
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Book-ended by Bruce H's!!!! B. Hector, kindly note that it was B.
Hallman's S.O. that allowed a significant breach in the traditional
Perennial Boy vs Long-Suffering Wife dance!
As for me, I'm committed to a building project already, not to mention
living aboard a vessel of Canadian ancestry that is probably already being
described by my hoity-toity neighbors as 'that disgusting shanty boat" (if
she weren't pointy in the front and round in the back, I'd staple siding
along the toe rails and claim the prize).
As for the actual SB Project, may I recommend renting an air nailer and
compressor at the DIY centre? It's faster than drywall screws and
(generally) easier on the fingers, not to mention keeping in harmony with
the general theme of cocking a snook at Establishment Boating (me, I carry
my snooks cocked and loaded, just in case..).
More plywood! More epoxy!
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hector [mailto:bruce_hector@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 5:10 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Superbrick
"David Romasco" wrote:
just because something CAN be done, is no reason to actually DO it!
Otherwise I'd be cruising the St. Lawrence in a plywood Aircraft
Carrier!
If however, you sucumb, where do I go for my ride, and where should I
mail the cheque?
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Hallman's S.O. that allowed a significant breach in the traditional
Perennial Boy vs Long-Suffering Wife dance!
As for me, I'm committed to a building project already, not to mention
living aboard a vessel of Canadian ancestry that is probably already being
described by my hoity-toity neighbors as 'that disgusting shanty boat" (if
she weren't pointy in the front and round in the back, I'd staple siding
along the toe rails and claim the prize).
As for the actual SB Project, may I recommend renting an air nailer and
compressor at the DIY centre? It's faster than drywall screws and
(generally) easier on the fingers, not to mention keeping in harmony with
the general theme of cocking a snook at Establishment Boating (me, I carry
my snooks cocked and loaded, just in case..).
More plywood! More epoxy!
David Romasco
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From: Bruce Hector [mailto:bruce_hector@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 5:10 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Superbrick
"David Romasco" wrote:
>Don't fall into that trap David, I want to keep my $100! Remember,
> > your Significant Other
>
> I was discussing that I wanted
> to build a Superbrick with my
> S.O. this morning, and she said
> that I *should* build one.
>
> I don't have anyone else to blame
> for not building, except myself.
just because something CAN be done, is no reason to actually DO it!
Otherwise I'd be cruising the St. Lawrence in a plywood Aircraft
Carrier!
If however, you sucumb, where do I go for my ride, and where should I
mail the cheque?
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"David Romasco" wrote:
just because something CAN be done, is no reason to actually DO it!
Otherwise I'd be cruising the St. Lawrence in a plywood Aircraft
Carrier!
If however, you sucumb, where do I go for my ride, and where should I
mail the cheque?
Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
Slowly coming to the conclusion that my server must be down, and
You'll all have to wait til Monday to see the Steam Launch Phoebe.
>Don't fall into that trap David, I want to keep my $100! Remember,
> > your Significant Other
>
> I was discussing that I wanted
> to build a Superbrick with my
> S.O. this morning, and she said
> that I *should* build one.
>
> I don't have anyone else to blame
> for not building, except myself.
just because something CAN be done, is no reason to actually DO it!
Otherwise I'd be cruising the St. Lawrence in a plywood Aircraft
Carrier!
If however, you sucumb, where do I go for my ride, and where should I
mail the cheque?
Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
Slowly coming to the conclusion that my server must be down, and
You'll all have to wait til Monday to see the Steam Launch Phoebe.
--- "David Romasco" wrote:
to build a Superbrick with my
S.O. this morning, and she said
that I *should* build one.
I don't have anyone else to blame
for not building, except myself.
> your Significant OtherI was discussing that I wanted
to build a Superbrick with my
S.O. this morning, and she said
that I *should* build one.
I don't have anyone else to blame
for not building, except myself.
I think that some of us are just faster/more organized and possibly less
compulsive than others. I consider Jeff's progress on the Wyoming as
almost miraculous. One of the things that makes a big difference is
another worker, most cases 2 is 2.5 to 3 times as good as 1. I am
blessed with a talented neighbor in Fritz Funk 2 doors down and a core
group of highly skilled amateurs, that not only are available, they nag
"can we come over and play in the shop now"?
HJ
Peter Lenihan wrote:
compulsive than others. I consider Jeff's progress on the Wyoming as
almost miraculous. One of the things that makes a big difference is
another worker, most cases 2 is 2.5 to 3 times as good as 1. I am
blessed with a talented neighbor in Fritz Funk 2 doors down and a core
group of highly skilled amateurs, that not only are available, they nag
"can we come over and play in the shop now"?
HJ
Peter Lenihan wrote:
>Bruce Hallman,
>
> I gotta love your crazy optimism or else start drinking what
>your drinking!!:-D
> To date, I have 281 hours of "at the shop time"( I punch in and
>punch out my times at my all-out-doors-all-the-time boat shop) and
>all I have to show for it is a 1 building jig,1 fiberglassed boat
>bottom,and 4 bulkheads.
> I remain hopeful that by the end of this summer I'll have
>completed 2 hull/cabin sides, 1 roof and 1 interior.
> So......is it in your water or your beer.......1 enquiring mind
>(or what little is left functioning) wants to know :-) or else,if I
>use your guide lines, I should be launched by the second weekend in
>July..........yikes!!
>
> Sincerely,
>Peter Lenihan,who once envisioned his Micro completed over the course
>of 5 quick weekends but ended up taking a year and a half,along the
>shores of the mighty St.Lawrence...........
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@y...>
>wrote:
>
>
>>I see a Superbrick involving the following
>>tasks that add up to 311 hours.
>>
>>Doubling that, I estimate 622 hours.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Of course you can make it from aluminum highway signs, barn board,
crushed cars, as long as it looks like a ..... Superbrick.
This would eliminate the need for expensive paint and name boards,
save hours of exterior prep and be entirely within the SB ethos.
Imagine "SLOW MOVING VEHICLES KEEP RIGHT" or "SAN CLEMENTE - NEXT
EXIT" in 14" reflective white letters. Sure would make it easy to
find you SB in a crowded ancourage in a dark night.
Bruce Hector
"WINDING ROAD FOR 23 KILOMETERS AHEAD'" Hector
Don't assume my many little errors are typos guys, my spelling is as
good as my boatbuilding! Appologies to all who have to read my
missives or sail in my botes.
crushed cars, as long as it looks like a ..... Superbrick.
This would eliminate the need for expensive paint and name boards,
save hours of exterior prep and be entirely within the SB ethos.
Imagine "SLOW MOVING VEHICLES KEEP RIGHT" or "SAN CLEMENTE - NEXT
EXIT" in 14" reflective white letters. Sure would make it easy to
find you SB in a crowded ancourage in a dark night.
Bruce Hector
"WINDING ROAD FOR 23 KILOMETERS AHEAD'" Hector
Don't assume my many little errors are typos guys, my spelling is as
good as my boatbuilding! Appologies to all who have to read my
missives or sail in my botes.
> What I want to know is whether or not there's a name for theI get it, the positive guy is the guy who points out the negative
> pathology that moves you to offer a nearly endless torrent of
> negativity in the face of a list this is, if nothing else,
> characterized by positive energy and enthusiasm. .
personalities. Who is intolerant of anyone else's style unless it is
peppy enthusiasm.
>On the basis of youongoing campaign of complaints and criticism, I can't help but
imagine you sitting at your computer, hoping for Jeff's glue to fail
and for my project to sit half built in my driveway
That's a misrepresentation. I made it perfectly clear I didn't
expect Jeff's boat to fall apart. I didn't expect it if the seats
were structural, and obviously it would be irrelevant if the seats
were just seats. Jeff asked a direct question about his "test".
Does one need to consider any other factors relative to the info he
was reporting. I took my best shot at it. Where is the harm. There
are over a thousand members here, probably with quite a range of
projects so unless a particular piece of information is broadly
applicable, it is probably worth mentioning those situations where it
might not apply.
I don't know where you got the idea I'm hostile to your project
either. I think it's really neat and I hope it is a big success. If
I say stuff like trailering that would scare the he%% out of me, or
how can you raise the boat ends in practice, or whatever I'm guilty
of it is just my perception of the project. Maybe there is some
solution there that will help me get my trimaran onto a legal highway
trailer.
,>
> Do me a favor; when you feel the urge to respond to my post, resist.Bad netiquette. Yours was just the last post I read in the thread,
and I hit the reply button, I should have dropped all your stuff off
the page. I had mailled Bruce about the rules the previous night. I
thought they were already out there from the last time this subject
came up.
> ... my Gull wasJust a reminder: From some points of view, killing fish is not so laudable.
> started on Memorial Day of '02, painted by 6/16, and killing fish by
> 6/18.
Mark
Bruce Hallman,
I gotta love your crazy optimism or else start drinking what
your drinking!!:-D
To date, I have 281 hours of "at the shop time"( I punch in and
punch out my times at my all-out-doors-all-the-time boat shop) and
all I have to show for it is a 1 building jig,1 fiberglassed boat
bottom,and 4 bulkheads.
I remain hopeful that by the end of this summer I'll have
completed 2 hull/cabin sides, 1 roof and 1 interior.
So......is it in your water or your beer.......1 enquiring mind
(or what little is left functioning) wants to know :-) or else,if I
use your guide lines, I should be launched by the second weekend in
July..........yikes!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who once envisioned his Micro completed over the course
of 5 quick weekends but ended up taking a year and a half,along the
shores of the mighty St.Lawrence...........
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@y...>
wrote:
I gotta love your crazy optimism or else start drinking what
your drinking!!:-D
To date, I have 281 hours of "at the shop time"( I punch in and
punch out my times at my all-out-doors-all-the-time boat shop) and
all I have to show for it is a 1 building jig,1 fiberglassed boat
bottom,and 4 bulkheads.
I remain hopeful that by the end of this summer I'll have
completed 2 hull/cabin sides, 1 roof and 1 interior.
So......is it in your water or your beer.......1 enquiring mind
(or what little is left functioning) wants to know :-) or else,if I
use your guide lines, I should be launched by the second weekend in
July..........yikes!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who once envisioned his Micro completed over the course
of 5 quick weekends but ended up taking a year and a half,along the
shores of the mighty St.Lawrence...........
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@y...>
wrote:
> I see a Superbrick involving the following
> tasks that add up to 311 hours.
>
> Doubling that, I estimate 622 hours.
Right on David!
I think it is the optimistic nature of amateur boatbuilders to
regard a project as some nice straight line made up of easy to
visualise tasks. In our accounting of these tasks, we forget to
factor in the "shit-happens" factor. This alone can add substantial
lost hours over the course of a big enough project. Compounding this
SH factor, is the humble truth that very few of us(if any) actually
make their living from boatbuilding. It is more a hobby or past-time
for us thus we are not really set up to work as efficiently as our
minds eye sees it.
Not to sound too negative however,there are also many fine
moments where we just have to stand back and marvel at our
accomplishment(s) of the day. This is the part I like best since,in
my own minds eye, I am both my own customer and boatbuilder.I am not
that demanding of myself.Furthermore, being able to spend time
working on my boat building is something of an escape from the
sometime dreary realities of an otherwise simple existence.
The only serious attempt I have made to keep my project moving
at some sort of measurable rate is the standing rule that says I will
not drink beer while building.Visitors and friends are welcome to
drop by BUT to ensure my time is not completely eaten up with
socializing I demand 1 beer as the price of admission. When that beer
is gone,so is the socializing. This sort of works out in the boonies
where I am building since there are many occassions for folks to drop
by and the comforts of home are far away.
In the end, I guess if we were not so optimistic about just
how quickly we might build such and such a boat,many of them would
never get built! It is much easier to just "walk away" from a pipe
dream than it is a stack of "paid for and cut lumber".
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,from along the shores of the St.Lawrence........
I think it is the optimistic nature of amateur boatbuilders to
regard a project as some nice straight line made up of easy to
visualise tasks. In our accounting of these tasks, we forget to
factor in the "shit-happens" factor. This alone can add substantial
lost hours over the course of a big enough project. Compounding this
SH factor, is the humble truth that very few of us(if any) actually
make their living from boatbuilding. It is more a hobby or past-time
for us thus we are not really set up to work as efficiently as our
minds eye sees it.
Not to sound too negative however,there are also many fine
moments where we just have to stand back and marvel at our
accomplishment(s) of the day. This is the part I like best since,in
my own minds eye, I am both my own customer and boatbuilder.I am not
that demanding of myself.Furthermore, being able to spend time
working on my boat building is something of an escape from the
sometime dreary realities of an otherwise simple existence.
The only serious attempt I have made to keep my project moving
at some sort of measurable rate is the standing rule that says I will
not drink beer while building.Visitors and friends are welcome to
drop by BUT to ensure my time is not completely eaten up with
socializing I demand 1 beer as the price of admission. When that beer
is gone,so is the socializing. This sort of works out in the boonies
where I am building since there are many occassions for folks to drop
by and the comforts of home are far away.
In the end, I guess if we were not so optimistic about just
how quickly we might build such and such a boat,many of them would
never get built! It is much easier to just "walk away" from a pipe
dream than it is a stack of "paid for and cut lumber".
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,from along the shores of the St.Lawrence........
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David Romasco" <dromasco@g...> wrote:
> Oh yeah, like what about pee breaks, or trips back to the
> hardware/lumber/paint/marine/first aid supply/beer store, or
setup/cleanup,
> or moaning chair time, or explaining what the hell you're doing, or
just
> plain imbibing and staring.... erm, er, THINKING time?
>
> And I submit that The SB Project defies rational analysis; so much
so, that
> to merely ATTEMPT to plan like this is an assault on the very core
of the
> concept. Shame on yer, mate; I thought you had more sense....
>
> Yrs trly,
>
> David "It cost HOW much?" Romasco
>
]
>> I think it's worth remembering that Bob Wise built the Loose MooseDon't know what time-line you're referring to, but my Gull was
>II
>> in six months, mostly by himself.
>>
>> Judging by how long many Bolger projects take to reach fruition, I
>> think there's some serious failure to take advantage of his knack
>for
>> 'buildablity'
>>
>> YIBB,
>>
>> David
>
>So far you've built a couple of the small boats, right? And if i'm
>not mistakes ( a rare enough occurance) your dory build-in didn't
>quite hit its time-line...
started on Memorial Day of '02, painted by 6/16, and killing fish by
6/18. (Did I mention we built the jig and turned out another complete
hull and turned out another hull on Saturday and Sunday of M.D.
weekend?)
What I want to know is whether or not there's a name for the
pathology that moves you to offer a nearly endless torrent of
negativity in the face of a list this is, if nothing else,
characterized by positive energy and enthusiasm. On the basis of you
ongoing campaign of complaints and criticism, I can't help but
imagine you sitting at your computer, hoping for Jeff's glue to fail
and for my project to sit half built in my driveway.
Do me a favor; when you feel the urge to respond to my post, resist.
Bruce Hector, if you're reading put me down for $100.
YIBB,
David
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> I think it's worth remembering that Bob Wise built the Loose MooseII
> in six months, mostly by himself.for
>
> Judging by how long many Bolger projects take to reach fruition, I
> think there's some serious failure to take advantage of his knack
> 'buildablity'So far you've built a couple of the small boats, right? And if i'm
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
not mistakes ( a rare enough occurance) your dory build-in didn't
quite hit its time-line...
Bruce, if you’re letting “cost” and The SB project into the same
neighborhood….. change the subject as fast as you decently can, and maybe
your Significant Other won’t notice….
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hallman [mailto:brucehallman@...]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:07 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Superbrick Challenge Rules
--- "David Romasco" wrote:
I see that I forgot any time for
fiberglassing the bottom, +8 hrs.
Or paint, +8 hours.
Also, a boat like that would
need one of those 'dancing queen'
mirror balls for the disco deck.
Disco ball +2 hrs.
Seriously, I think it could be
built in one year of weekends.
You would end up with a mighty
fine party boat!
Cost estimate? I don't know
if I have the heart to figure cost.
$5,000?
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neighborhood….. change the subject as fast as you decently can, and maybe
your Significant Other won’t notice….
David Romasco
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From: Bruce Hallman [mailto:brucehallman@...]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:07 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Superbrick Challenge Rules
--- "David Romasco" wrote:
> "It cost HOW much?"Looking at my task list again,
I see that I forgot any time for
fiberglassing the bottom, +8 hrs.
Or paint, +8 hours.
Also, a boat like that would
need one of those 'dancing queen'
mirror balls for the disco deck.
Disco ball +2 hrs.
Seriously, I think it could be
built in one year of weekends.
You would end up with a mighty
fine party boat!
Cost estimate? I don't know
if I have the heart to figure cost.
$5,000?
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--- "David Romasco" wrote:
I see that I forgot any time for
fiberglassing the bottom, +8 hrs.
Or paint, +8 hours.
Also, a boat like that would
need one of those 'dancing queen'
mirror balls for the disco deck.
Disco ball +2 hrs.
Seriously, I think it could be
built in one year of weekends.
You would end up with a mighty
fine party boat!
Cost estimate? I don't know
if I have the heart to figure cost.
$5,000?
> "It cost HOW much?"Looking at my task list again,
I see that I forgot any time for
fiberglassing the bottom, +8 hrs.
Or paint, +8 hours.
Also, a boat like that would
need one of those 'dancing queen'
mirror balls for the disco deck.
Disco ball +2 hrs.
Seriously, I think it could be
built in one year of weekends.
You would end up with a mighty
fine party boat!
Cost estimate? I don't know
if I have the heart to figure cost.
$5,000?
So the Superbrick rules are ammended as follows.
1-Must be a recognisable Bolger Superbrick.
2-Must have a superbrickish interior.
3-Must sail, even if the motor is needed on some (all?) points.
ie; If it looks like a SB, if it smells like a SB, if it sails like a
SB it's a Superbrick and the proud winner can collect his pot.
Enforcement?
Post photos or I'll (and anyone else who wants to see it) travel to
see it, ride in it, drink a beer on the disco deck and throw my empty
can (of COURSE I'll punch holes in it first, I'm environmentaly
sound) overboard.
Collection?
It's a manner of honour. But we're such a fine upstanding group that
I know posting all the pledgers names (where anyone can get their
email address off the group) was only to egg on even more fanatic
Bolgeristas to open up those Scottish purse strings a tad wider, and
NOT to shame anyone into coughing up the scratch when the time comes.
Bruce Hector
http://www.rustcheckkingston.com
Where the $$$ and time to waste on all these boats comes from.
1-Must be a recognisable Bolger Superbrick.
2-Must have a superbrickish interior.
3-Must sail, even if the motor is needed on some (all?) points.
ie; If it looks like a SB, if it smells like a SB, if it sails like a
SB it's a Superbrick and the proud winner can collect his pot.
Enforcement?
Post photos or I'll (and anyone else who wants to see it) travel to
see it, ride in it, drink a beer on the disco deck and throw my empty
can (of COURSE I'll punch holes in it first, I'm environmentaly
sound) overboard.
Collection?
It's a manner of honour. But we're such a fine upstanding group that
I know posting all the pledgers names (where anyone can get their
email address off the group) was only to egg on even more fanatic
Bolgeristas to open up those Scottish purse strings a tad wider, and
NOT to shame anyone into coughing up the scratch when the time comes.
Bruce Hector
http://www.rustcheckkingston.com
Where the $$$ and time to waste on all these boats comes from.
Oh yeah, like what about pee breaks, or trips back to the
hardware/lumber/paint/marine/first aid supply/beer store, or setup/cleanup,
or moaning chair time, or explaining what the hell you're doing, or just
plain imbibing and staring.... erm, er, THINKING time?
And I submit that The SB Project defies rational analysis; so much so, that
to merely ATTEMPT to plan like this is an assault on the very core of the
concept. Shame on yer, mate; I thought you had more sense....
Yrs trly,
David "It cost HOW much?" Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hallman [mailto:brucehallman@...]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:48 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Superbrick Challenge Rules
I see a Superbrick involving the following
tasks that add up to 311 hours.
Doubling that, I estimate 622 hours.
2 Bow transom
2 Bulkhead A
2 Bulkhead B
2 Bulkhead C
2 Bulkhead D
2 Stern transom
4 Bottom joists
2 Main floor
2 Dbl Berth platform
2 Dbl Berth riser
2 Dbl Berth hatches
2 Single berth starbord
2 Single berth port
2 Motor compartment bottom
2 Motor compartment sides
4 Washroom walls
2 Washroom door
4 Fiberglassing washroom
4 Off-Centerboard
2 Off-centerboard lead
4 Off-centerboard pivot hardware
4 Off-centerboard case
2 Bookshelf at dbl berth
2 Mainmast step box
1 Mainmast shelf reinforcements
8 Top opening icebox
8 Drop leaf table
8 Drawers under single berths
8 Sink cabinet & sink
8 Stove cabinet and drawers
8 Dresser drawer and desk
4 Lower side portside
4 Lower side starboardside
4 Bottom panels
2 Bottom to side chine logs
2 Lowerside to topside nail strip
4 Topside portside
4 Porthole window
4 Topside starboardside
8 Windows at dbl berth
8 Windows at single berths
2 Single berth closet rods
4 Motor mount transom board
4 Motor well flush hatches
2 Footwell sides at cockpit
2 Flush hatch at cockpit
8 Cockpit seatback bulwark
2 Cockpit seatback hatches
4 Cockpit seating 'deck'
4 Aft face of trunk
4 hatch boards in trunk
8 Sliding hatch at trunktop
8 Portside trunk cabinets
4 Outside sides of trunk
4 Forward face of trunk
2 Window on forward face of trunk
2 Hatch shroud
4 Trunk top
4 Disco deck
2 Disco deck sides
20 Shoebox punt
4 Running lights
8 Mast
16 Lanteen yards
8 Lanteen rig hardware
8 Polytarp sails
4 Top piece of rudder
4 Rudder hardware
4 Tiller
4 Bottom piece of rudder
2 Lead ballast in bottom of rudder
2 Anchor cleat
2 Mooring cleat
=========================================
311 total hours
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hardware/lumber/paint/marine/first aid supply/beer store, or setup/cleanup,
or moaning chair time, or explaining what the hell you're doing, or just
plain imbibing and staring.... erm, er, THINKING time?
And I submit that The SB Project defies rational analysis; so much so, that
to merely ATTEMPT to plan like this is an assault on the very core of the
concept. Shame on yer, mate; I thought you had more sense....
Yrs trly,
David "It cost HOW much?" Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hallman [mailto:brucehallman@...]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:48 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Superbrick Challenge Rules
I see a Superbrick involving the following
tasks that add up to 311 hours.
Doubling that, I estimate 622 hours.
2 Bow transom
2 Bulkhead A
2 Bulkhead B
2 Bulkhead C
2 Bulkhead D
2 Stern transom
4 Bottom joists
2 Main floor
2 Dbl Berth platform
2 Dbl Berth riser
2 Dbl Berth hatches
2 Single berth starbord
2 Single berth port
2 Motor compartment bottom
2 Motor compartment sides
4 Washroom walls
2 Washroom door
4 Fiberglassing washroom
4 Off-Centerboard
2 Off-centerboard lead
4 Off-centerboard pivot hardware
4 Off-centerboard case
2 Bookshelf at dbl berth
2 Mainmast step box
1 Mainmast shelf reinforcements
8 Top opening icebox
8 Drop leaf table
8 Drawers under single berths
8 Sink cabinet & sink
8 Stove cabinet and drawers
8 Dresser drawer and desk
4 Lower side portside
4 Lower side starboardside
4 Bottom panels
2 Bottom to side chine logs
2 Lowerside to topside nail strip
4 Topside portside
4 Porthole window
4 Topside starboardside
8 Windows at dbl berth
8 Windows at single berths
2 Single berth closet rods
4 Motor mount transom board
4 Motor well flush hatches
2 Footwell sides at cockpit
2 Flush hatch at cockpit
8 Cockpit seatback bulwark
2 Cockpit seatback hatches
4 Cockpit seating 'deck'
4 Aft face of trunk
4 hatch boards in trunk
8 Sliding hatch at trunktop
8 Portside trunk cabinets
4 Outside sides of trunk
4 Forward face of trunk
2 Window on forward face of trunk
2 Hatch shroud
4 Trunk top
4 Disco deck
2 Disco deck sides
20 Shoebox punt
4 Running lights
8 Mast
16 Lanteen yards
8 Lanteen rig hardware
8 Polytarp sails
4 Top piece of rudder
4 Rudder hardware
4 Tiller
4 Bottom piece of rudder
2 Lead ballast in bottom of rudder
2 Anchor cleat
2 Mooring cleat
=========================================
311 total hours
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I see a Superbrick involving the following
tasks that add up to 311 hours.
Doubling that, I estimate 622 hours.
2 Bow transom
2 Bulkhead A
2 Bulkhead B
2 Bulkhead C
2 Bulkhead D
2 Stern transom
4 Bottom joists
2 Main floor
2 Dbl Berth platform
2 Dbl Berth riser
2 Dbl Berth hatches
2 Single berth starbord
2 Single berth port
2 Motor compartment bottom
2 Motor compartment sides
4 Washroom walls
2 Washroom door
4 Fiberglassing washroom
4 Off-Centerboard
2 Off-centerboard lead
4 Off-centerboard pivot hardware
4 Off-centerboard case
2 Bookshelf at dbl berth
2 Mainmast step box
1 Mainmast shelf reinforcements
8 Top opening icebox
8 Drop leaf table
8 Drawers under single berths
8 Sink cabinet & sink
8 Stove cabinet and drawers
8 Dresser drawer and desk
4 Lower side portside
4 Lower side starboardside
4 Bottom panels
2 Bottom to side chine logs
2 Lowerside to topside nail strip
4 Topside portside
4 Porthole window
4 Topside starboardside
8 Windows at dbl berth
8 Windows at single berths
2 Single berth closet rods
4 Motor mount transom board
4 Motor well flush hatches
2 Footwell sides at cockpit
2 Flush hatch at cockpit
8 Cockpit seatback bulwark
2 Cockpit seatback hatches
4 Cockpit seating 'deck'
4 Aft face of trunk
4 hatch boards in trunk
8 Sliding hatch at trunktop
8 Portside trunk cabinets
4 Outside sides of trunk
4 Forward face of trunk
2 Window on forward face of trunk
2 Hatch shroud
4 Trunk top
4 Disco deck
2 Disco deck sides
20 Shoebox punt
4 Running lights
8 Mast
16 Lanteen yards
8 Lanteen rig hardware
8 Polytarp sails
4 Top piece of rudder
4 Rudder hardware
4 Tiller
4 Bottom piece of rudder
2 Lead ballast in bottom of rudder
2 Anchor cleat
2 Mooring cleat
=========================================
311 total hours
tasks that add up to 311 hours.
Doubling that, I estimate 622 hours.
2 Bow transom
2 Bulkhead A
2 Bulkhead B
2 Bulkhead C
2 Bulkhead D
2 Stern transom
4 Bottom joists
2 Main floor
2 Dbl Berth platform
2 Dbl Berth riser
2 Dbl Berth hatches
2 Single berth starbord
2 Single berth port
2 Motor compartment bottom
2 Motor compartment sides
4 Washroom walls
2 Washroom door
4 Fiberglassing washroom
4 Off-Centerboard
2 Off-centerboard lead
4 Off-centerboard pivot hardware
4 Off-centerboard case
2 Bookshelf at dbl berth
2 Mainmast step box
1 Mainmast shelf reinforcements
8 Top opening icebox
8 Drop leaf table
8 Drawers under single berths
8 Sink cabinet & sink
8 Stove cabinet and drawers
8 Dresser drawer and desk
4 Lower side portside
4 Lower side starboardside
4 Bottom panels
2 Bottom to side chine logs
2 Lowerside to topside nail strip
4 Topside portside
4 Porthole window
4 Topside starboardside
8 Windows at dbl berth
8 Windows at single berths
2 Single berth closet rods
4 Motor mount transom board
4 Motor well flush hatches
2 Footwell sides at cockpit
2 Flush hatch at cockpit
8 Cockpit seatback bulwark
2 Cockpit seatback hatches
4 Cockpit seating 'deck'
4 Aft face of trunk
4 hatch boards in trunk
8 Sliding hatch at trunktop
8 Portside trunk cabinets
4 Outside sides of trunk
4 Forward face of trunk
2 Window on forward face of trunk
2 Hatch shroud
4 Trunk top
4 Disco deck
2 Disco deck sides
20 Shoebox punt
4 Running lights
8 Mast
16 Lanteen yards
8 Lanteen rig hardware
8 Polytarp sails
4 Top piece of rudder
4 Rudder hardware
4 Tiller
4 Bottom piece of rudder
2 Lead ballast in bottom of rudder
2 Anchor cleat
2 Mooring cleat
=========================================
311 total hours
Yes, but didn't Bob work on the boat full-time? 26 weeks times 40
hours a week is over a thousand hours. I have a job and a family,
and 500 hours a year (an average of about 10 hours a week) is
probably the most that I could manage.
hours a week is over a thousand hours. I have a job and a family,
and 500 hours a year (an average of about 10 hours a week) is
probably the most that I could manage.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> I think it's worth remembering that Bob Wise built the Loose Moose
II in six months, mostly by himself.
>
> Judging by how long many Bolger projects take to reach fruition, I
> think there's some serious failure to take advantage of his knack
for 'buildablity'
>--- <proaconstrictor@y...> wrote:I think it's worth remembering that Bob Wise built the Loose Moose II
>> interior stuff, it makes a nice BIG project.
>
> Building the
>yards and hardware for the sail would take
>more than a few weekends too.
in six months, mostly by himself.
Judging by how long many Bolger projects take to reach fruition, I
think there's some serious failure to take advantage of his knack for
'buildablity'
YIBB,
David
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--- <proaconstrictor@y...> wrote:
and it also has more than a little
'outside/topside' detail, with
the cabin trunk, and the cockpit,
footwell, motor compartment, seat
bulwark compartments, and the "disco deck"
up front. Not to mention five panoramic windows.
And a port-hole window. Building the
yards and hardware for the sail would take
more than a few weekends too. Don't
forget the rudder/tiller assembly.
Ladder, sliding hatch, flush cockpit hatch,
motor compartment hatches, shoebox punt,
what else did I forget???
> interior stuff, it makes a nice BIG project.Yes, it has interior detail,
and it also has more than a little
'outside/topside' detail, with
the cabin trunk, and the cockpit,
footwell, motor compartment, seat
bulwark compartments, and the "disco deck"
up front. Not to mention five panoramic windows.
And a port-hole window. Building the
yards and hardware for the sail would take
more than a few weekends too. Don't
forget the rudder/tiller assembly.
Ladder, sliding hatch, flush cockpit hatch,
motor compartment hatches, shoebox punt,
what else did I forget???
>I think rules are a good idea, though whether the are any SBs build,Rules are only as meaningful as their capacity to be enforced, which
>or for that mater several, remains to be seen.
in this case is incalculably close to zero.
Bruce, up my pledge to $50 to the person who launches the first SuperBrick!
-David
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415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
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Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
I think rules are a good idea, though whether the are any SBs build,
or for that mater several, remains to be seen.
If I built an SB for myself, and decided the extra money for sails,
or the interior was wasted in my use, I would still feel I had built
the boat. If someone later asks "has anyone ever built an SB, I'm
having trouble with the keel". I would feel perfectly entitled to
pipe up and say "when I built mine...".
But this is a first to the line thing, and if someone claims the
prize for completing one day ahead of another, but person A installed
some cast off kitchen units, and person B built exactly to the
plans... Honesty hasn't much to do with it, like holding a race
without specifying the finish line. Even though we would be lucky to
get one boat completed out of all this.
In particular, whose risk is non-payment. Obviously the builder's,
but that should be said up front (probably has been). Two years from
now you finish your SB, and come back to the group, and yo can't find
any of these people, or only one or two of them, that's the builder's
problem.
I got excited about this boat last night, and thought it might make a
nice little project, but when I looked it up again, with all the
interior stuff, it makes a nice BIG project.
or for that mater several, remains to be seen.
If I built an SB for myself, and decided the extra money for sails,
or the interior was wasted in my use, I would still feel I had built
the boat. If someone later asks "has anyone ever built an SB, I'm
having trouble with the keel". I would feel perfectly entitled to
pipe up and say "when I built mine...".
But this is a first to the line thing, and if someone claims the
prize for completing one day ahead of another, but person A installed
some cast off kitchen units, and person B built exactly to the
plans... Honesty hasn't much to do with it, like holding a race
without specifying the finish line. Even though we would be lucky to
get one boat completed out of all this.
In particular, whose risk is non-payment. Obviously the builder's,
but that should be said up front (probably has been). Two years from
now you finish your SB, and come back to the group, and yo can't find
any of these people, or only one or two of them, that's the builder's
problem.
I got excited about this boat last night, and thought it might make a
nice little project, but when I looked it up again, with all the
interior stuff, it makes a nice BIG project.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> FBBB,
>
> It seems to me this whole thing is more or less on the honor
system,
> and we really don't need rules.
>
> I'm not putting any money up front, so a potential builder is
> trusting that I'll actually be alive to cough up my $25. Anyone who
> takes up the challenge has precious little incentive to "cheat",
> cause the only way he's going to get the money is if she builds a
> SuperBrick. If she builds a Sort-of-a-SuperBrick, then she'll sort
of
> get paid by those who sort of think it was a good effort. Those
> looking for a reason to welch will find some reason not to pay,
even
> if the builder builds *exactly* to the plans.
>
> If I didn't have the I60 in the on-deck circle...
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
> --
>
> C.E.P.
> 415 W.46th Street
> New York, New York 10036
>http://www.crumblingempire.com
> Mobile (646) 325-8325
> Office (212) 247-0296
FBBB,
It seems to me this whole thing is more or less on the honor system,
and we really don't need rules.
I'm not putting any money up front, so a potential builder is
trusting that I'll actually be alive to cough up my $25. Anyone who
takes up the challenge has precious little incentive to "cheat",
cause the only way he's going to get the money is if she builds a
SuperBrick. If she builds a Sort-of-a-SuperBrick, then she'll sort of
get paid by those who sort of think it was a good effort. Those
looking for a reason to welch will find some reason not to pay, even
if the builder builds *exactly* to the plans.
If I didn't have the I60 in the on-deck circle...
YIBB,
David
--
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
It seems to me this whole thing is more or less on the honor system,
and we really don't need rules.
I'm not putting any money up front, so a potential builder is
trusting that I'll actually be alive to cough up my $25. Anyone who
takes up the challenge has precious little incentive to "cheat",
cause the only way he's going to get the money is if she builds a
SuperBrick. If she builds a Sort-of-a-SuperBrick, then she'll sort of
get paid by those who sort of think it was a good effort. Those
looking for a reason to welch will find some reason not to pay, even
if the builder builds *exactly* to the plans.
If I didn't have the I60 in the on-deck circle...
YIBB,
David
--
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
Of course you're right Peter, How about ammending the "rules" (I do
use the word loosely!) to say, "struggles around the course with the
sail up and any required assistance from the stink pot?"
Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
Where news of an exclusive and FREE tour of the Kingston Pump House
Steam Museum and the restoration of the 48' Steam Launch "Phoebe" has
just been added to the Kingston Messabout for Sept. 5 - 7, 2003.
Complimentary tour sponsored by Rust Check Kingston.
use the word loosely!) to say, "struggles around the course with the
sail up and any required assistance from the stink pot?"
Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
Where news of an exclusive and FREE tour of the Kingston Pump House
Steam Museum and the restoration of the 48' Steam Launch "Phoebe" has
just been added to the Kingston Messabout for Sept. 5 - 7, 2003.
Complimentary tour sponsored by Rust Check Kingston.
Libertarians don't need no stinkin' rules! <grin>
If it looks like a Superbrick, it wins my pledge.
I got my Superbrick study plans out and
am building the thing in my minds eye
right now.
Bolger put a lot of thought, cramming all those
features into such a small box. Personally, I
am not optimistic that Home Depot prefabricated
cabinets would work easier than some homebuilts.
The double berth, and the two single berths have
to go where designed, due to the headroom issues,
with the foredeck and the cockpit. The offcenter
mast step determines left-handedness of Bulkhead
'A' which controls where the washroom must be.
The icebox nestles well into the space between the
mast step and the washroom. The knee swing space
under the dresser by the double berth, allowing
it to serve as a 'desk' when sitting on the edge
of the bed is a cool feature.
As to quality of finish, I think that quick and
dirty is in tune with the designer's intent.
If it looks like a Superbrick, it wins my pledge.
I got my Superbrick study plans out and
am building the thing in my minds eye
right now.
Bolger put a lot of thought, cramming all those
features into such a small box. Personally, I
am not optimistic that Home Depot prefabricated
cabinets would work easier than some homebuilts.
The double berth, and the two single berths have
to go where designed, due to the headroom issues,
with the foredeck and the cockpit. The offcenter
mast step determines left-handedness of Bulkhead
'A' which controls where the washroom must be.
The icebox nestles well into the space between the
mast step and the washroom. The knee swing space
under the dresser by the double berth, allowing
it to serve as a 'desk' when sitting on the edge
of the bed is a cool feature.
As to quality of finish, I think that quick and
dirty is in tune with the designer's intent.
> 3-Must be able to maneuver on all three points of sail. Running,I think this is Mr. Bolger's responsibility, not the builder's. If
> reaching, tacking, this to be proved by getting around a small
> triangular course without resorting to the stink pot.
the boat is built to plan, but does not sail properly, it is not the
builder's fault. If the builder modifies the sailing rig (sail,
foils) and the boat sails, then OK. But if the builder modifies the
sailing rig and the boat does not sail, then not OK.
Peter
The money is starting to look serious Bolgeristeros and I've recieved
a few emails with rule request. My goal, and I assume most of you, is
simply to get one (or more, could it become the next racing class?)
built, lauched and used for the greater benefit of Bolgeristas
everywhere. To that end I proposed some pretty loose and simple rules
suggestions a while back.
They are:
If it looks like a Superbrick, and it sleeps 4 inside like a
Superbrick, and it sails like a Superbrick, then it must BE a
Superbrick!
1-Build from Bolger plans. Does NOT need to be 100% accurate. I has
to finish up close enough so that if you were driving across a bridge
at, say 30 mph (50 kph in Canada and the world) and saw the ugly
sucker anchored in the river a hundred yards (meters) away you'd
shout "Hey, THAT'S a SUPERBRICK!" and immeadiately turn off the road
and try to get a closer look. That's close enough! Personally, I'd
swim out if I didn't have a boat on the roof!
2-Finished interior, how well finished? As champion of the workboat
finish, I'd say if you don't get any serious slivers in your toes so
long as you leave you gumboots on that's good enough. Must sleep 4,
have a galleycapable of making instant coffee and heating a can of
beans, table, usable head, with built in (or screwed in Home
Depot/Ikea crud) furnishings, etc.
3-Must be able to maneuver on all three points of sail. Running,
reaching, tacking, this to be proved by getting around a small
triangular course without resorting to the stink pot.
4-Exterior finish. As desired by the "proud" builder. I'd suggest a
burlap flour mill bag motif for the sail and a barnboard/bullet holed
road sign applique for the hull, but that's just how I'd do her.
That's my suggestion for the rules.
Comments? Suggestions? Objections? Are all welcome and encouraged.
Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
Who'd happily double his pledge if one showed up at the September
Messabout in Kingston. Full details at the website above.
a few emails with rule request. My goal, and I assume most of you, is
simply to get one (or more, could it become the next racing class?)
built, lauched and used for the greater benefit of Bolgeristas
everywhere. To that end I proposed some pretty loose and simple rules
suggestions a while back.
They are:
If it looks like a Superbrick, and it sleeps 4 inside like a
Superbrick, and it sails like a Superbrick, then it must BE a
Superbrick!
1-Build from Bolger plans. Does NOT need to be 100% accurate. I has
to finish up close enough so that if you were driving across a bridge
at, say 30 mph (50 kph in Canada and the world) and saw the ugly
sucker anchored in the river a hundred yards (meters) away you'd
shout "Hey, THAT'S a SUPERBRICK!" and immeadiately turn off the road
and try to get a closer look. That's close enough! Personally, I'd
swim out if I didn't have a boat on the roof!
2-Finished interior, how well finished? As champion of the workboat
finish, I'd say if you don't get any serious slivers in your toes so
long as you leave you gumboots on that's good enough. Must sleep 4,
have a galleycapable of making instant coffee and heating a can of
beans, table, usable head, with built in (or screwed in Home
Depot/Ikea crud) furnishings, etc.
3-Must be able to maneuver on all three points of sail. Running,
reaching, tacking, this to be proved by getting around a small
triangular course without resorting to the stink pot.
4-Exterior finish. As desired by the "proud" builder. I'd suggest a
burlap flour mill bag motif for the sail and a barnboard/bullet holed
road sign applique for the hull, but that's just how I'd do her.
That's my suggestion for the rules.
Comments? Suggestions? Objections? Are all welcome and encouraged.
Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
Who'd happily double his pledge if one showed up at the September
Messabout in Kingston. Full details at the website above.