Re: [bolger] Sealing leeboard pivot bolt hole???
>Hal:Those Bolger Peeros have gone for years with nothing but some epoxy
>
>I had success epoxying the bolt to the hull with the nut on the outside.
>
>I think your decision is a good one. The pivoting leeboard (off
>centerboard, really) is the best solution for small boats. It has a
>high aspect ratio, it raises itself automatically to prevent damage,
>it is out in the open where you can see if there is a problem, and
>you can work on it when there is, It saves space in the cockpit or
>cabin. Some people don't like the looks, but to me, anything that
>works that well is just plain beautiful.
>
>chuck
> For my Teal I am building a pivoting lee board and
> rudder. What is the group wisdom for sealing the
> pivot bolt holes in the plywood?
>
> hal
to seal the exposed endgrain in the holes.
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Garth:
I couldn't find the Caprice plans (must be at the shop) but I did check four sets of Jims plans that are here. I have an old Boxtop, and a Cubit which both show the notch such as you describe. I also have a Ladybug which is so new that it isn't even in the catalog yet. It does not have the notch. This would seem to indicate that Jim forgot about this brilliant trick during the years, but I also have a Jukebox3 which is also very new, and it does have the notch. I'm going to ask Jim about this even if he is too busy.
Chuck
Hi Chuck --
Nah -- Jim's the genius. No question there. I just dug out my Mayfly
plans from a couple of years ago and there it is -- the little U-
shaped cutout in the lower leeboard guard. Maybe this was a later
refinement for him and it didn't make it into the original web page
discussing pivoting leeboards. I don't want to pester him -- he
always seems so busy -- but it would be fun to know the history of
it. Do your Caprice plans show that cutout?
All best,
Garth
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I couldn't find the Caprice plans (must be at the shop) but I did check four sets of Jims plans that are here. I have an old Boxtop, and a Cubit which both show the notch such as you describe. I also have a Ladybug which is so new that it isn't even in the catalog yet. It does not have the notch. This would seem to indicate that Jim forgot about this brilliant trick during the years, but I also have a Jukebox3 which is also very new, and it does have the notch. I'm going to ask Jim about this even if he is too busy.
Chuck
Hi Chuck --
Nah -- Jim's the genius. No question there. I just dug out my Mayfly
plans from a couple of years ago and there it is -- the little U-
shaped cutout in the lower leeboard guard. Maybe this was a later
refinement for him and it didn't make it into the original web page
discussing pivoting leeboards. I don't want to pester him -- he
always seems so busy -- but it would be fun to know the history of
it. Do your Caprice plans show that cutout?
All best,
Garth
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Sorry--"attachments" didn't go through. You'll have to look up the Woodenboat site and go to the "forum" under "building and repairing" and "search' for Cottonwould thread.
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From: gssparhawk
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Sealing leeboard pivot bolt hole???
Well, I have the pivot point about 12" up from the chine on a 18" side. Yes, I do have a 1-1/2"X2" backer on the inside of the hull, through which the pivot bolt runs. Mind you, I haven't yet tried this without the lower support removed. I may be in for some anxious moments but," nothing ventured, nothing gained".I have some angle to the topsides and that requires a lower board support of greater dimention than I'd like. I'll give it a try. The worst case would be for the top of the board to slip out of it's secure position--there'd be hell to pay for that. Maybe it is more of Murphy's Law than one would wish to tempt. (this is a 19' expansion of Dave Carnell's $200 design) ((built of COTTONWOOD, btw.)) (((see
My much-considered alternate is to install a bilge board pocket right at the chine--maybe a little inboard to have the hull bottom provide an upper hydrodynamic dam effect. I then retain the advantage of keeping the interior of the hull clear of obstructions. I hardly think that a hole in the hull for the case is as critical as some attribute. Too many very large centerboarders couldn't be wrong. AND,---WE have the magic goodge as well as reinforcement. It's just more work than my lazy and time-constrained butt can handle. I have about twelve other craft of wide-ranging style and needs to consider.
Check out the thread on Cottonwould in the Woodenboat builders forum as noted above under "attachments"
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From: GarthAB
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:59 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Sealing leeboard pivot bolt hole???
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "gssparhawk" <gssparhawk@s...> wrote:
> But, Garth, my problem is that the lower leeboard support sure digs
up a lot of water and throws a lot of it inboard. I'd rather have the
center pivoting bolt up higher on the hull so that there isn't so
much interferance. The upper securing device can be strong enough to
resist the leverage generated by the board. So, there's a hole in the
hull side. Less water will come in there than the bit of spray that
is inevitable. Why the terror of a hole in the side?
> Steve Sparhawk
Steve --
Sounds good to me. The Michalak lower guard does plow the water when
you're heeled over and that's always bugged me.
So in your system, how do you strengthen the raised pivot point to
bear all the stresses of the board? Jim had a diagram on his site
once, maybe on that page I linked to (?), where he shows how the
leverage on the hull increases sharply as the distance between upper
and lower guard decreases. So a singled raised pivot point, say just
under gunwale level, would be torquing your side mightily if you slid
down the face of a wave or otherwise got pushed around by strong
winds. Do you just back it up with a board running vertically down
the inside, at the pivot point?
Always looking for a better way,
Garth
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Well, I have the pivot point about 12" up from the chine on a 18" side. Yes, I do have a 1-1/2"X2" backer on the inside of the hull, through which the pivot bolt runs. Mind you, I haven't yet tried this without the lower support removed. I may be in for some anxious moments but," nothing ventured, nothing gained".I have some angle to the topsides and that requires a lower board support of greater dimention than I'd like. I'll give it a try. The worst case would be for the top of the board to slip out of it's secure position--there'd be hell to pay for that. Maybe it is more of Murphy's Law than one would wish to tempt. (this is a 19' expansion of Dave Carnell's $200 design) ((built of COTTONWOOD, btw.)) (((see
My much-considered alternate is to install a bilge board pocket right at the chine--maybe a little inboard to have the hull bottom provide an upper hydrodynamic dam effect. I then retain the advantage of keeping the interior of the hull clear of obstructions. I hardly think that a hole in the hull for the case is as critical as some attribute. Too many very large centerboarders couldn't be wrong. AND,---WE have the magic goodge as well as reinforcement. It's just more work than my lazy and time-constrained butt can handle. I have about twelve other craft of wide-ranging style and needs to consider.
Check out the thread on Cottonwould in the Woodenboat builders forum as noted above under "attachments"
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From: GarthAB
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:59 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Sealing leeboard pivot bolt hole???
My much-considered alternate is to install a bilge board pocket right at the chine--maybe a little inboard to have the hull bottom provide an upper hydrodynamic dam effect. I then retain the advantage of keeping the interior of the hull clear of obstructions. I hardly think that a hole in the hull for the case is as critical as some attribute. Too many very large centerboarders couldn't be wrong. AND,---WE have the magic goodge as well as reinforcement. It's just more work than my lazy and time-constrained butt can handle. I have about twelve other craft of wide-ranging style and needs to consider.
Check out the thread on Cottonwould in the Woodenboat builders forum as noted above under "attachments"
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To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:59 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Sealing leeboard pivot bolt hole???
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "gssparhawk" <gssparhawk@s...> wrote:
> But, Garth, my problem is that the lower leeboard support sure digs
up a lot of water and throws a lot of it inboard. I'd rather have the
center pivoting bolt up higher on the hull so that there isn't so
much interferance. The upper securing device can be strong enough to
resist the leverage generated by the board. So, there's a hole in the
hull side. Less water will come in there than the bit of spray that
is inevitable. Why the terror of a hole in the side?
> Steve Sparhawk
Steve --
Sounds good to me. The Michalak lower guard does plow the water when
you're heeled over and that's always bugged me.
So in your system, how do you strengthen the raised pivot point to
bear all the stresses of the board? Jim had a diagram on his site
once, maybe on that page I linked to (?), where he shows how the
leverage on the hull increases sharply as the distance between upper
and lower guard decreases. So a singled raised pivot point, say just
under gunwale level, would be torquing your side mightily if you slid
down the face of a wave or otherwise got pushed around by strong
winds. Do you just back it up with a board running vertically down
the inside, at the pivot point?
Always looking for a better way,
Garth
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I don't know if "Genius" is the right word, but I did mine without the hole in the hull, by putting the nut in the lower brace, and
using a bolt to hold on the board, on my AF2...
I may be completely wrong here, but I think Jim got the idea from me...
using a bolt to hold on the board, on my AF2...
I may be completely wrong here, but I think Jim got the idea from me...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Sealing leeboard pivot bolt hole???
> Garth:
>
> I read your post and thought to myself: Jim is a genius, and I am an idiot! Jim being smart to think of such a method of
avoiding a hole in one's hull, and me an idiot for building four of his boats without ever seeing this little detail. Then I read
what he had to say:
> The pivoting leeboard has several advantages. They are easily built and altered. There are no holes required through the hull
except for the pivot hole.
> Hmm says I. This is not what Garth said. This is not what Garth said that Jim said. Is it possible that Garth thought of this and
mistakenly attributed to Jim? Does that make Garth the real Genius? Tune in next time for answers to these and other ridiculous
questions.
>
> Chuck
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: GarthAB
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 6:04 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Sealing leeboard pivot bolt hole???
>
>
> Hal --
>
> Do you know how Jim Michalak does it?
>
> See:
>http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/1998/0615/index.htm
>
> I think even in this old diagram he may show the bolt coming through
> the side, but in many of his plans, the "lower leeboard guard" is a
> piece of 2X4 or 2X6 attached on edge to the side of the boat (you
> need to scribe and cut to the curve of the side, not hard), with the
> outer face trimmed perfectly vertical and parallel to the centerline
> plane of the boat. The pivot bolt goes through this guard -- but not
> into the boat. The guard has a little U-shaped notch cut out in its
> center which gives you enough room to push the bolt in and get a nut
> on it there. No through-hull! You can just epoxy the guard to the
> side, or epoxy and screw it -- but at least the epoxy seals around
> the screws.
>
> Then there's the upper leeboard guard, which is a laminated plywood
> piece about an inch thick mounted onto the underside of your gunwale,
> with a big slot cut in it just at the gunwale edge (again parallel to
> the centerline plane of the boat), into which the upper end of the
> leebaord pivots. This holds the leeboard tight on both tacks. A very
> elegant and useful system, though it does require a bit more work
> than simply bolting through the side.
>
> Trying to describe all this in words doesn't really work. I could
> even fax you the pertinent section of a set of Mayfly plans so you
> can adapt, if you like.
>
> All best,
> Garth
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "gssparhawk" <gssparhawk@s...> wrote:
center pivoting bolt up higher on the hull so that there isn't so
much interferance. The upper securing device can be strong enough to
resist the leverage generated by the board. So, there's a hole in the
hull side. Less water will come in there than the bit of spray that
is inevitable. Why the terror of a hole in the side?
Sounds good to me. The Michalak lower guard does plow the water when
you're heeled over and that's always bugged me.
So in your system, how do you strengthen the raised pivot point to
bear all the stresses of the board? Jim had a diagram on his site
once, maybe on that page I linked to (?), where he shows how the
leverage on the hull increases sharply as the distance between upper
and lower guard decreases. So a singled raised pivot point, say just
under gunwale level, would be torquing your side mightily if you slid
down the face of a wave or otherwise got pushed around by strong
winds. Do you just back it up with a board running vertically down
the inside, at the pivot point?
Always looking for a better way,
Garth
> But, Garth, my problem is that the lower leeboard support sure digsup a lot of water and throws a lot of it inboard. I'd rather have the
center pivoting bolt up higher on the hull so that there isn't so
much interferance. The upper securing device can be strong enough to
resist the leverage generated by the board. So, there's a hole in the
hull side. Less water will come in there than the bit of spray that
is inevitable. Why the terror of a hole in the side?
> Steve SparhawkSteve --
Sounds good to me. The Michalak lower guard does plow the water when
you're heeled over and that's always bugged me.
So in your system, how do you strengthen the raised pivot point to
bear all the stresses of the board? Jim had a diagram on his site
once, maybe on that page I linked to (?), where he shows how the
leverage on the hull increases sharply as the distance between upper
and lower guard decreases. So a singled raised pivot point, say just
under gunwale level, would be torquing your side mightily if you slid
down the face of a wave or otherwise got pushed around by strong
winds. Do you just back it up with a board running vertically down
the inside, at the pivot point?
Always looking for a better way,
Garth
But, Garth, my problem is that the lower leeboard support sure digs up a lot of water and throws a lot of it inboard. I'd rather have the center pivoting bolt up higher on the hull so that there isn't so much interferance. The upper securing device can be strong enough to resist the leverage generated by the board. So, there's a hole in the hull side. Less water will come in there than the bit of spray that is inevitable. Why the terror of a hole in the side?
Steve Sparhawk
Steve Sparhawk
----- Original Message -----
From: GarthAB
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 6:04 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Sealing leeboard pivot bolt hole???
Hal --
Do you know how Jim Michalak does it?
See:
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/1998/0615/index.htm
I think even in this old diagram he may show the bolt coming through
the side, but in many of his plans, the "lower leeboard guard" is a
piece of 2X4 or 2X6 attached on edge to the side of the boat (you
need to scribe and cut to the curve of the side, not hard), with the
outer face trimmed perfectly vertical and parallel to the centerline
plane of the boat. The pivot bolt goes through this guard -- but not
into the boat. The guard has a little U-shaped notch cut out in its
center which gives you enough room to push the bolt in and get a nut
on it there. No through-hull! You can just epoxy the guard to the
side, or epoxy and screw it -- but at least the epoxy seals around
the screws.
Then there's the upper leeboard guard, which is a laminated plywood
piece about an inch thick mounted onto the underside of your gunwale,
with a big slot cut in it just at the gunwale edge (again parallel to
the centerline plane of the boat), into which the upper end of the
leebaord pivots. This holds the leeboard tight on both tacks. A very
elegant and useful system, though it does require a bit more work
than simply bolting through the side.
Trying to describe all this in words doesn't really work. I could
even fax you the pertinent section of a set of Mayfly plans so you
can adapt, if you like.
All best,
Garth
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> Is it possible that Garth thought of this and mistakenly attributedHi Chuck --
> to Jim? Does that make Garth the real Genius? Tune in next time
> for answers to these and other ridiculous questions.
>
> Chuck
Nah -- Jim's the genius. No question there. I just dug out my Mayfly
plans from a couple of years ago and there it is -- the little U-
shaped cutout in the lower leeboard guard. Maybe this was a later
refinement for him and it didn't make it into the original web page
discussing pivoting leeboards. I don't want to pester him -- he
always seems so busy -- but it would be fun to know the history of
it. Do your Caprice plans show that cutout?
All best,
Garth
Garth:
I read your post and thought to myself: Jim is a genius, and I am an idiot! Jim being smart to think of such a method of avoiding a hole in one's hull, and me an idiot for building four of his boats without ever seeing this little detail. Then I read what he had to say:
The pivoting leeboard has several advantages. They are easily built and altered. There are no holes required through the hull except for the pivot hole.
Hmm says I. This is not what Garth said. This is not what Garth said that Jim said. Is it possible that Garth thought of this and mistakenly attributed to Jim? Does that make Garth the real Genius? Tune in next time for answers to these and other ridiculous questions.
Chuck
I read your post and thought to myself: Jim is a genius, and I am an idiot! Jim being smart to think of such a method of avoiding a hole in one's hull, and me an idiot for building four of his boats without ever seeing this little detail. Then I read what he had to say:
The pivoting leeboard has several advantages. They are easily built and altered. There are no holes required through the hull except for the pivot hole.
Hmm says I. This is not what Garth said. This is not what Garth said that Jim said. Is it possible that Garth thought of this and mistakenly attributed to Jim? Does that make Garth the real Genius? Tune in next time for answers to these and other ridiculous questions.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: GarthAB
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 6:04 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Sealing leeboard pivot bolt hole???
Hal --
Do you know how Jim Michalak does it?
See:
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/1998/0615/index.htm
I think even in this old diagram he may show the bolt coming through
the side, but in many of his plans, the "lower leeboard guard" is a
piece of 2X4 or 2X6 attached on edge to the side of the boat (you
need to scribe and cut to the curve of the side, not hard), with the
outer face trimmed perfectly vertical and parallel to the centerline
plane of the boat. The pivot bolt goes through this guard -- but not
into the boat. The guard has a little U-shaped notch cut out in its
center which gives you enough room to push the bolt in and get a nut
on it there. No through-hull! You can just epoxy the guard to the
side, or epoxy and screw it -- but at least the epoxy seals around
the screws.
Then there's the upper leeboard guard, which is a laminated plywood
piece about an inch thick mounted onto the underside of your gunwale,
with a big slot cut in it just at the gunwale edge (again parallel to
the centerline plane of the boat), into which the upper end of the
leebaord pivots. This holds the leeboard tight on both tacks. A very
elegant and useful system, though it does require a bit more work
than simply bolting through the side.
Trying to describe all this in words doesn't really work. I could
even fax you the pertinent section of a set of Mayfly plans so you
can adapt, if you like.
All best,
Garth
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> This will keep water from entering the plywood and give you aI used cheap plastic thru-hull fittings mounted thru the leeboard as
> tougher bearing for the bolt.
bushings. I'm not sure it speaks to the end-grain problem, though. -
Peter
Hal --
Do you know how Jim Michalak does it?
See:
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/1998/0615/index.htm
I think even in this old diagram he may show the bolt coming through
the side, but in many of his plans, the "lower leeboard guard" is a
piece of 2X4 or 2X6 attached on edge to the side of the boat (you
need to scribe and cut to the curve of the side, not hard), with the
outer face trimmed perfectly vertical and parallel to the centerline
plane of the boat. The pivot bolt goes through this guard -- but not
into the boat. The guard has a little U-shaped notch cut out in its
center which gives you enough room to push the bolt in and get a nut
on it there. No through-hull! You can just epoxy the guard to the
side, or epoxy and screw it -- but at least the epoxy seals around
the screws.
Then there's the upper leeboard guard, which is a laminated plywood
piece about an inch thick mounted onto the underside of your gunwale,
with a big slot cut in it just at the gunwale edge (again parallel to
the centerline plane of the boat), into which the upper end of the
leebaord pivots. This holds the leeboard tight on both tacks. A very
elegant and useful system, though it does require a bit more work
than simply bolting through the side.
Trying to describe all this in words doesn't really work. I could
even fax you the pertinent section of a set of Mayfly plans so you
can adapt, if you like.
All best,
Garth
Do you know how Jim Michalak does it?
See:
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/1998/0615/index.htm
I think even in this old diagram he may show the bolt coming through
the side, but in many of his plans, the "lower leeboard guard" is a
piece of 2X4 or 2X6 attached on edge to the side of the boat (you
need to scribe and cut to the curve of the side, not hard), with the
outer face trimmed perfectly vertical and parallel to the centerline
plane of the boat. The pivot bolt goes through this guard -- but not
into the boat. The guard has a little U-shaped notch cut out in its
center which gives you enough room to push the bolt in and get a nut
on it there. No through-hull! You can just epoxy the guard to the
side, or epoxy and screw it -- but at least the epoxy seals around
the screws.
Then there's the upper leeboard guard, which is a laminated plywood
piece about an inch thick mounted onto the underside of your gunwale,
with a big slot cut in it just at the gunwale edge (again parallel to
the centerline plane of the boat), into which the upper end of the
leebaord pivots. This holds the leeboard tight on both tacks. A very
elegant and useful system, though it does require a bit more work
than simply bolting through the side.
Trying to describe all this in words doesn't really work. I could
even fax you the pertinent section of a set of Mayfly plans so you
can adapt, if you like.
All best,
Garth
Drill or gouge out a hole in the leeboard bigger than the bolthole will
be, about where the bolthole will go. Back it with some plastic and a
board, then fill with thickened epoxy. Late, drill the appropriate sized
bolthole. This will keep water from entering the plywood and give you a
tougher bearing for the bolt.
Rick
Hal Lynch wrote:
be, about where the bolthole will go. Back it with some plastic and a
board, then fill with thickened epoxy. Late, drill the appropriate sized
bolthole. This will keep water from entering the plywood and give you a
tougher bearing for the bolt.
Rick
Hal Lynch wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, May 13, 2003, at 02:50 PM, Chuck Leinweber wrote:
>
>
>
> The problem as I see it is where the pivot bolt goes through
> the leeboard. The lee board has to pivot on the pivot bolt.
> If it is loose enough to pivot how do I keep water from entering
> the plywood through the bolt hole? Or am I missing something
> obvious?
>
Hal,
You can have the leeboard pivot at the gunwale, where it is not as
likely to get wet, and you can epoxy a piece of copper tubing inside the
pivot hole to seal the wood.
Good luck,
Ford Walton
Hal Lynch wrote:
You can have the leeboard pivot at the gunwale, where it is not as
likely to get wet, and you can epoxy a piece of copper tubing inside the
pivot hole to seal the wood.
Good luck,
Ford Walton
Hal Lynch wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, May 13, 2003, at 02:50 PM, Chuck Leinweber wrote:
>
> > Hal:
> >
> > I had success epoxying the bolt to the hull with the nut on the
> > outside.
>
> The problem as I see it is where the pivot bolt goes through
> the leeboard. The lee board has to pivot on the pivot bolt.
> If it is loose enough to pivot how do I keep water from entering
> the plywood through the bolt hole? Or am I missing something
> obvious?
>
> > I think your decision is a good one. The pivoting leeboard (off
> > centerboard, really) is the best solution for small boats.
>
> Particularly on the lake I boat in as the water is shallow near
> and not so near the shore. With my lack of sailing talent I
> know I am going to bounce the boat off the bottom regularly.
>
> hal
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
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On Tuesday, May 13, 2003, at 02:50 PM, Chuck Leinweber wrote:
the leeboard. The lee board has to pivot on the pivot bolt.
If it is loose enough to pivot how do I keep water from entering
the plywood through the bolt hole? Or am I missing something
obvious?
and not so near the shore. With my lack of sailing talent I
know I am going to bounce the boat off the bottom regularly.
hal
> Hal:The problem as I see it is where the pivot bolt goes through
>
> I had success epoxying the bolt to the hull with the nut on the
> outside.
the leeboard. The lee board has to pivot on the pivot bolt.
If it is loose enough to pivot how do I keep water from entering
the plywood through the bolt hole? Or am I missing something
obvious?
> I think your decision is a good one. The pivoting leeboard (offParticularly on the lake I boat in as the water is shallow near
> centerboard, really) is the best solution for small boats.
and not so near the shore. With my lack of sailing talent I
know I am going to bounce the boat off the bottom regularly.
hal
Hal:
I had success epoxying the bolt to the hull with the nut on the outside.
I think your decision is a good one. The pivoting leeboard (off centerboard, really) is the best solution for small boats. It has a high aspect ratio, it raises itself automatically to prevent damage, it is out in the open where you can see if there is a problem, and you can work on it when there is, It saves space in the cockpit or cabin. Some people don't like the looks, but to me, anything that works that well is just plain beautiful.
chuck
For my Teal I am building a pivoting lee board and
rudder. What is the group wisdom for sealing the
pivot bolt holes in the plywood?
hal
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I had success epoxying the bolt to the hull with the nut on the outside.
I think your decision is a good one. The pivoting leeboard (off centerboard, really) is the best solution for small boats. It has a high aspect ratio, it raises itself automatically to prevent damage, it is out in the open where you can see if there is a problem, and you can work on it when there is, It saves space in the cockpit or cabin. Some people don't like the looks, but to me, anything that works that well is just plain beautiful.
chuck
For my Teal I am building a pivoting lee board and
rudder. What is the group wisdom for sealing the
pivot bolt holes in the plywood?
hal
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
sealant.
:-)
50 year silicone?
:-)
50 year silicone?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hal Lynch" <hal@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 3:34 PM
Subject: [bolger] Sealing leeboard pivot bolt hole???
> For my Teal I am building a pivoting lee board and
> rudder. What is the group wisdom for sealing the
> pivot bolt holes in the plywood?
>
> hal
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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>
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>
>
For my Teal I am building a pivoting lee board and
rudder. What is the group wisdom for sealing the
pivot bolt holes in the plywood?
hal
rudder. What is the group wisdom for sealing the
pivot bolt holes in the plywood?
hal
--- "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:
they recommended for Westcoast use
including 'crossing the Columbia
River bar', [which at times has
breaking surf], SA recommended the
Dakota, with a Deutz desiel and the
Sonic outdrive.
> Bolgers' bigger sharpies likeFWIW, when I asked PB&F which boat
> Dak and Wyo is easy on the eyes.
> They are great canal and river cruisers
they recommended for Westcoast use
including 'crossing the Columbia
River bar', [which at times has
breaking surf], SA recommended the
Dakota, with a Deutz desiel and the
Sonic outdrive.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
turning sometimes quicker then we planned. And, a big wave doesn't
always come from the weather. I can recall one glorious sun filled
day with the water just a-sparkling with little diamonds out on Lac
St.Louis (or Poowee for those familiar with this stretch of the
St.Lawrence).Anyhow, Pesky and I were out near Windmill Point,just
outside the Seaway channel waiting for inbound ships to pass on their
way to the locks. One Greek freighter came barreling along and threw
up a wake big enough to put Lestats' nose under water. It was just
like a roller coaster ride! Pesky liked it so much, we hung around
there for several hours,gulping beers and waiting for the next
ship.Unfortunately, we had about 5 lakers go by and they do not
really throw up much of a wake near the point and one other freighter
who chose to slow right down to a crawl......we had to take our fun
from the passing cruisers who do throw up a nice wake but nothing
compared to the Greek freighter. Near the end of the afternoon, Pesky
started wondering about the chance of seeing a submarine go by.
Well,the beer was running low and the ice just about gone so it was a
perfect time to head back to the locks at St.Annes'. I didn't have
the heart to tell Pesky that they make virtually no wake at all.
After a delicious meal prepared on board that evening, I figured
that the days excitement had all but satisfied my Pesky Crew. No such
luck! The following day and each day after we were out throughout the
summer, she always insisted that we head up to Windmill Point. We
never did see that Greek ship again but we did have a hoot riding the
wakes of the big ships late into the season.
Three years later,she still recalls that day, with the Greek
freighter, with a child like wonder in her eyes.
The gracefulness of Bolgers' bigger sharpies like Dak and Wyo is
easy on the eyes.They are great canal and river cruisers with all the
creature comforts any boatbum could ever want.Really comfy interiors!
I think that it is this total comfort package that would/will lead
folks,who own one, to undertake cruises that will,through no fault of
their own, occasionally find them in big waves. I'm sure that at your
end of Lake Ontario,the waves can become interesting with a nice warm
15kt southwesterly breeze.
So.....when are you going to build a Dakota? It would be most
suitable for your prime location.Canals and rivers everywhere!! Pesky
and I can't wait to have Windermere launched.Our first cruise is
going to be,what we call,the "triangle".That is,Montreal to
Ottawa,then the Rideau down to Kingston followed by a "downhill" ride
through the 1000 Islands and back to Montreal.Maybe we'll even get to
see a submarine!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,rained in along the St.Lawrence..........shiitte!
wrote:
> I'm into pleasure boating, not nauti-masochism! I wouldn't becaught
> dead out in weather that might roll a Dak or a Wyohming.I couldn't agree more Bruce but the weather has a nasty habit of
turning sometimes quicker then we planned. And, a big wave doesn't
always come from the weather. I can recall one glorious sun filled
day with the water just a-sparkling with little diamonds out on Lac
St.Louis (or Poowee for those familiar with this stretch of the
St.Lawrence).Anyhow, Pesky and I were out near Windmill Point,just
outside the Seaway channel waiting for inbound ships to pass on their
way to the locks. One Greek freighter came barreling along and threw
up a wake big enough to put Lestats' nose under water. It was just
like a roller coaster ride! Pesky liked it so much, we hung around
there for several hours,gulping beers and waiting for the next
ship.Unfortunately, we had about 5 lakers go by and they do not
really throw up much of a wake near the point and one other freighter
who chose to slow right down to a crawl......we had to take our fun
from the passing cruisers who do throw up a nice wake but nothing
compared to the Greek freighter. Near the end of the afternoon, Pesky
started wondering about the chance of seeing a submarine go by.
Well,the beer was running low and the ice just about gone so it was a
perfect time to head back to the locks at St.Annes'. I didn't have
the heart to tell Pesky that they make virtually no wake at all.
After a delicious meal prepared on board that evening, I figured
that the days excitement had all but satisfied my Pesky Crew. No such
luck! The following day and each day after we were out throughout the
summer, she always insisted that we head up to Windmill Point. We
never did see that Greek ship again but we did have a hoot riding the
wakes of the big ships late into the season.
Three years later,she still recalls that day, with the Greek
freighter, with a child like wonder in her eyes.
The gracefulness of Bolgers' bigger sharpies like Dak and Wyo is
easy on the eyes.They are great canal and river cruisers with all the
creature comforts any boatbum could ever want.Really comfy interiors!
I think that it is this total comfort package that would/will lead
folks,who own one, to undertake cruises that will,through no fault of
their own, occasionally find them in big waves. I'm sure that at your
end of Lake Ontario,the waves can become interesting with a nice warm
15kt southwesterly breeze.
So.....when are you going to build a Dakota? It would be most
suitable for your prime location.Canals and rivers everywhere!! Pesky
and I can't wait to have Windermere launched.Our first cruise is
going to be,what we call,the "triangle".That is,Montreal to
Ottawa,then the Rideau down to Kingston followed by a "downhill" ride
through the 1000 Islands and back to Montreal.Maybe we'll even get to
see a submarine!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,rained in along the St.Lawrence..........shiitte!
Well, I have a fond memory of a day out in a sailboat that might have
almost been rough enough to do that. Fortunately, we had enough people
that spells at the helm were only 15 minutes or we might not have been
able to handle it, at least when quartering downwind across the waves
like that. The only other boat crazy enough to be out was a houseboat
pushing straight upwind that periodically mostly vanished in spray. It
probably helped that it was warm and sunny. I guess if the houseboat was
ok, then one of those skinny state boats would be ok, too, but I don't
recall seeing that boat broadside to the waves. It was Lake Champlain
and the wind was running right down the lake to create a long fetch, as
I recall. I was a kid of 12 or so.
almost been rough enough to do that. Fortunately, we had enough people
that spells at the helm were only 15 minutes or we might not have been
able to handle it, at least when quartering downwind across the waves
like that. The only other boat crazy enough to be out was a houseboat
pushing straight upwind that periodically mostly vanished in spray. It
probably helped that it was warm and sunny. I guess if the houseboat was
ok, then one of those skinny state boats would be ok, too, but I don't
recall seeing that boat broadside to the waves. It was Lake Champlain
and the wind was running right down the lake to create a long fetch, as
I recall. I was a kid of 12 or so.
>Bruce Hector wrote:
>I'm into pleasure boating, not nauti-masochism! I wouldn't be caught
>dead out in weather that might roll a Dak or a Wyohming.
>snip
>
I hear you load and clear. I get comments all the time about how
unseaworthy the Wyoming is but I'm a shore hugger and have no need to
experience anything other than inland waters.
Somehow all the boaters around of which most have never seen a wave bigger
than 3 feet know what the idea boat is for the ICW.
I'll go with Mr. Bolger's comments and then feel safe in only half the
weather he expects the Wyo to handle.
Call me a big chicken but a safe chicken!
LOL
Jeff
www.4dw.net/cosailor
unseaworthy the Wyoming is but I'm a shore hugger and have no need to
experience anything other than inland waters.
Somehow all the boaters around of which most have never seen a wave bigger
than 3 feet know what the idea boat is for the ICW.
I'll go with Mr. Bolger's comments and then feel safe in only half the
weather he expects the Wyo to handle.
Call me a big chicken but a safe chicken!
LOL
Jeff
www.4dw.net/cosailor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 3:47 PM
Subject: [bolger] Phoebe style side loading doord
> I'm into pleasure boating, not nauti-masochism! I wouldn't be caught
> dead out in weather that might roll a Dak or a Wyohming.
>
> I wonder how much the wizard of Gloucester would want to draw a 48'
> Dak eith a fantail? I'd figure out the cabin stuff myself.
>
> Hope to see/talk to you at the Sunday chat.
>
> Bruce Hector
>http://www.brucesboats.com
> Where a free tour of the beautiful, yet, non-Bolger Phoebe is on
> offer to all who'd brave the Canadian autumn (don't led the red,
> orange and yellow leaves blind you!) to attend the September Kingston
> Messabout.
>
> ps: Someone asked if the Kingston Messabout was going to be an annual
> event. I'll tell you all on 8 September, 2003.
>
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
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>
>
I'm into pleasure boating, not nauti-masochism! I wouldn't be caught
dead out in weather that might roll a Dak or a Wyohming.
I wonder how much the wizard of Gloucester would want to draw a 48'
Dak eith a fantail? I'd figure out the cabin stuff myself.
Hope to see/talk to you at the Sunday chat.
Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
Where a free tour of the beautiful, yet, non-Bolger Phoebe is on
offer to all who'd brave the Canadian autumn (don't led the red,
orange and yellow leaves blind you!) to attend the September Kingston
Messabout.
ps: Someone asked if the Kingston Messabout was going to be an annual
event. I'll tell you all on 8 September, 2003.
dead out in weather that might roll a Dak or a Wyohming.
I wonder how much the wizard of Gloucester would want to draw a 48'
Dak eith a fantail? I'd figure out the cabin stuff myself.
Hope to see/talk to you at the Sunday chat.
Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
Where a free tour of the beautiful, yet, non-Bolger Phoebe is on
offer to all who'd brave the Canadian autumn (don't led the red,
orange and yellow leaves blind you!) to attend the September Kingston
Messabout.
ps: Someone asked if the Kingston Messabout was going to be an annual
event. I'll tell you all on 8 September, 2003.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...> >
If none of this works for you ask a 12 year old in, and let them set
The problem is my Pesky Crew is only 3 and I'm 7......not even one 12
year old between us!
I'll have to see if I can't talk her brother(techno-wiz-kid) into
coming over this evening before she gets home(!) and let him set this
darned chat thing up on this here computer.
Thanks for the other picture of Phoebe. You just have to LOVE that
cabin!!! I lust after her side mounted companionway which is rather
practical on a long skinny boat since the ends are likely to sit away
from the quay making loading something of a custom nuisance.Much
better to have the hatch closer to the quay.
About the only arguement against it that I can imagine from our Hero
is that,it is not something you would want to find open should your
boat get rolled suddenly by a large wave/wake.
After my last night shift,I was all psyched up for going to work on
Windermere today but the weather forcast was/is for rain and heavy
thunder showers. So,here I am at 14:00hrs straining to see the
computer monitor through bright shafts of sunlight steeling through
the blinds. I hate it when the weatherman screws up like that! Too
bad my all-out-doors-all-the-time-boat-shop is so far away in heavy
traffic or I'd be there now putting together an assembly jig for the
hull/cabin sides and finessing my pattern for the box-keel fillets.
Maybe tomorrow!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,chat challenged but hopeful,along the partly cloudy
shores of the St.Lawrence..........
If none of this works for you ask a 12 year old in, and let them set
> it up for you.Thanks for trying to help Bruce.
The problem is my Pesky Crew is only 3 and I'm 7......not even one 12
year old between us!
I'll have to see if I can't talk her brother(techno-wiz-kid) into
coming over this evening before she gets home(!) and let him set this
darned chat thing up on this here computer.
Thanks for the other picture of Phoebe. You just have to LOVE that
cabin!!! I lust after her side mounted companionway which is rather
practical on a long skinny boat since the ends are likely to sit away
from the quay making loading something of a custom nuisance.Much
better to have the hatch closer to the quay.
About the only arguement against it that I can imagine from our Hero
is that,it is not something you would want to find open should your
boat get rolled suddenly by a large wave/wake.
After my last night shift,I was all psyched up for going to work on
Windermere today but the weather forcast was/is for rain and heavy
thunder showers. So,here I am at 14:00hrs straining to see the
computer monitor through bright shafts of sunlight steeling through
the blinds. I hate it when the weatherman screws up like that! Too
bad my all-out-doors-all-the-time-boat-shop is so far away in heavy
traffic or I'd be there now putting together an assembly jig for the
hull/cabin sides and finessing my pattern for the box-keel fillets.
Maybe tomorrow!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,chat challenged but hopeful,along the partly cloudy
shores of the St.Lawrence..........
--- "Bruce Hector" wrote:
but Sunday evening is boatbuilding time!
> Yesterdays chat was really interesting.I was there for a while and it was fun,
but Sunday evening is boatbuilding time!
Yesterdays chat was really interesting. The real time interaction and
banter went without a hitch, for those who could log on. I was there
for two sessions, mid afternoon and late night.
Chatted boats, booze, cruising areas, copywright, Messabouts,
geography, looked at scans people pasted into the chat windows, etc
with a dozen or so Bolgeristas. Chatters included David Ryan, Scott
(Noah_was_a_Builder), Pep Creuls (Barcelona), Chuck Leinweber
(Duckworks) several others (I just missed Dave Carnell) and myself.
These were fast moving, lively discussions where replies to your
entries showed up almost as fast as you entered them. Sometines
before! THe chat room for Bolger includes 2 way sound ability, but no
one had a mike hook up last night. That will probably change a techie
boat builders sign on. (I can't wait to hear Peter's bagpipes skirl!
Oh, wait, YES I CAN!)
Why don't we make Sunday, Bolger Chat day. With almost 1500 members
worldwide, and we can invite people from other boating groups if we
want, there should be a few people online throughout the day. We are
a global group, and when I'm getting sleepy Andy (AS 29) in Australia
is just poring his morning tea out of his billy.
Then the Bolger list will reach is full potential as a www (world
wide waste of time) and take it's place as rightful leaded of cyber
sailing. UUUURRRrrraaaggghhhhhh!
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
Teck stuff. First, I'm the wrong guy to speak of any of this, but
here's what I know, or think I know. If the chat room works for you,
fine, it means your kids have configued it already. If not you need
to do a few simple (yeah, RIGHT!) things. From the yahoo.com homepage
click on CHAT, this takes you to their chat homepage at:
http://chat.yahoo.com/
where you'll click on "ign Up For Yahoo! Chat!". On the sign up page
you enter the same name and password you use for the Bolger list,
fill in the blanks and click "submit this form" at the bottom. Then
you go to the chat room, off the Bolger list is best (perhaps the
only way), when you go there the room loads, or if it fails to load
there should be a button abouit loading a Java Applett (whatever that
is). If this doesn't work, keep clicking. Someone on the chat list
last night mentioned you may have to go to you internet setting
and "enable java script". whatever that is.
I told you I was the wrong guy. ANyway, it's a lot of fun, simple and
easy get in, and worth the computer Hell you have to go through to
get it,
If none of this works for you ask a 12 year old in, and let them set
it up for you.
banter went without a hitch, for those who could log on. I was there
for two sessions, mid afternoon and late night.
Chatted boats, booze, cruising areas, copywright, Messabouts,
geography, looked at scans people pasted into the chat windows, etc
with a dozen or so Bolgeristas. Chatters included David Ryan, Scott
(Noah_was_a_Builder), Pep Creuls (Barcelona), Chuck Leinweber
(Duckworks) several others (I just missed Dave Carnell) and myself.
These were fast moving, lively discussions where replies to your
entries showed up almost as fast as you entered them. Sometines
before! THe chat room for Bolger includes 2 way sound ability, but no
one had a mike hook up last night. That will probably change a techie
boat builders sign on. (I can't wait to hear Peter's bagpipes skirl!
Oh, wait, YES I CAN!)
Why don't we make Sunday, Bolger Chat day. With almost 1500 members
worldwide, and we can invite people from other boating groups if we
want, there should be a few people online throughout the day. We are
a global group, and when I'm getting sleepy Andy (AS 29) in Australia
is just poring his morning tea out of his billy.
Then the Bolger list will reach is full potential as a www (world
wide waste of time) and take it's place as rightful leaded of cyber
sailing. UUUURRRrrraaaggghhhhhh!
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
Teck stuff. First, I'm the wrong guy to speak of any of this, but
here's what I know, or think I know. If the chat room works for you,
fine, it means your kids have configued it already. If not you need
to do a few simple (yeah, RIGHT!) things. From the yahoo.com homepage
click on CHAT, this takes you to their chat homepage at:
http://chat.yahoo.com/
where you'll click on "ign Up For Yahoo! Chat!". On the sign up page
you enter the same name and password you use for the Bolger list,
fill in the blanks and click "submit this form" at the bottom. Then
you go to the chat room, off the Bolger list is best (perhaps the
only way), when you go there the room loads, or if it fails to load
there should be a button abouit loading a Java Applett (whatever that
is). If this doesn't work, keep clicking. Someone on the chat list
last night mentioned you may have to go to you internet setting
and "enable java script". whatever that is.
I told you I was the wrong guy. ANyway, it's a lot of fun, simple and
easy get in, and worth the computer Hell you have to go through to
get it,
If none of this works for you ask a 12 year old in, and let them set
it up for you.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
would work.Ha!
It does not work..........so its back to the regular messages for
now.
One day,I may get it at home if Pesky allows
Peter
wrote:
> Chuck L. Pep Cruells. and I are online now.Well, here I am ,came to work early just to see if it(the chat)
would work.Ha!
It does not work..........so its back to the regular messages for
now.
One day,I may get it at home if Pesky allows
Peter
Chuck L. Pep Cruells. and I are online now.