Re: AS-29
These boats tend to come out at about design weight, I think 7300# as Rod said. Mine was on her lines when I first rebuilt her. No longer, though, when she's full of cruising stuff. I'd recommend allowing for 8500# plus the weight of the trailer. I used to have a modified 10,500#-capacity flatbed, three-axle trailer, which was overkill.
Depending on the cost of the axles, consider having the trailer refitted for three axles; then you'll be fine with the 3500# axles, and your tire life will be a lot better. Welding for these kinds of jobs is routine and isn't expensive.
Depending on the cost of the axles, consider having the trailer refitted for three axles; then you'll be fine with the 3500# axles, and your tire life will be a lot better. Welding for these kinds of jobs is routine and isn't expensive.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "George" <gbroadlick@...> wrote:
>
> I bought a trailer I think will work for my AS-29. The trailer has moble home axles with brakes rusted beyond repair. I want to install new axles but do not know what the boat weighs. I believe i have seen everything from 6,000 to 8,300. To sail her she feels much lighter than that. If she weighed 5,000 empty then I could get away with 3,500# axles if 8,300 then I need 5,000# axles. There is a significant difference in price. Any thoughts?
>
I've not much experience towing boats, bit quite a bit of experience towing farm equipment, military supplies, etc... You will always do better with more carrying capacity than you need, rather than risking a questionable "close is good enough" approach. It would be a sad day indeed if your under-capacity or near-capacity axles failed and your boat got damaged or destroyed as a result...
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On Aug 31, 2013, at 11:19 AM, "George" <gbroadlick@...> wrote:
I bought a trailer I think will work for my AS-29. The trailer has moble home axles with brakes rusted beyond repair. I want to install new axles but do not know what the boat weighs. I believe i have seen everything from 6,000 to 8,300. To sail her she feels much lighter than that. If she weighed 5,000 empty then I could get away with 3,500# axles if 8,300 then I need 5,000# axles. There is a significant difference in price. Any thoughts?
About 7, 300 lbs. (Just finished building.)
Rod
From:George <gbroadlick@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, August 31, 2013 9:19 AM
Subject:[bolger] AS-29
I bought a trailer I think will work for my AS-29. The trailer has moble home axles with brakes rusted beyond repair. I want to install new axles but do not know what the boat weighs. I believe i have seen everything from 6,000 to 8,300. To sail her she feels much lighter than that. If she weighed 5,000 empty then I could get away with 3,500# axles if 8,300 then I need 5,000# axles. There is a significant difference in price. Any thoughts?
I bought a trailer I think will work for my AS-29. The trailer has moble home axles with brakes rusted beyond repair. I want to install new axles but do not know what the boat weighs. I believe i have seen everything from 6,000 to 8,300. To sail her she feels much lighter than that. If she weighed 5,000 empty then I could get away with 3,500# axles if 8,300 then I need 5,000# axles. There is a significant difference in price. Any thoughts?
I just discovered the pictures of the gorgeous AS-29 on this site.
I'm curious - was it professionally built? Does anyone have an idea
what it would cost to have that boat built be a professional? Dan
I'm curious - was it professionally built? Does anyone have an idea
what it would cost to have that boat built be a professional? Dan
> I posted a few interior pics.Thanks for those pictures,
here is one other pictures of the interior of
an AS29 which I found on the 'town dock' website
a while back:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/44798073/in/pool-bolgerboats/
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "willers32" <mwagner@f...> wrote:
longer, and/or B) make it back for more messing about. Next time,
I'll only bring equally boat-crazy companions....
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
> I posted a few interior pics. They're not very recent, having beenShe really is a beautiful boat, and I wish we'd been able to A) stay
> taken toward the end of construction. (You can still see things like
> boxes of screws, etc.) But I think you should get some idea of what
> she looks like inside.
longer, and/or B) make it back for more messing about. Next time,
I'll only bring equally boat-crazy companions....
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
> I posted a few interior pics.My house should looks so nice! Thanks.
I posted a few interior pics. They're not very recent, having been
taken toward the end of construction. (You can still see things like
boxes of screws, etc.) But I think you should get some idea of what
she looks like inside.
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4photos/lst?.dir=/AS-29&.src=gr&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4photos/vwp%3f.dir=/AS-29%26.dnm=Picture%2b093.jpg%26.src=gr&.view=t
taken toward the end of construction. (You can still see things like
boxes of screws, etc.) But I think you should get some idea of what
she looks like inside.
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4photos/lst?.dir=/AS-29&.src=gr&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4photos/vwp%3f.dir=/AS-29%26.dnm=Picture%2b093.jpg%26.src=gr&.view=t
Gary -
thanks...I too just figured it out. And, you cannot go directly to
the link because you need to join the group first!
Nice photos. I would love to see one of the AS 29 actually going.
Sail reports please!
It was blowing 25-30kts in Buzzard's Bay yesterday, and thoughts of
sailing an AS 29 to windward in the spray got my adrenaline pumping.
Then reality hit me as I was in a very beamy catboat reefed almost
down to the "death hole" prior to scurrying back to relative safety.
David Jost
Magnificat,
Aucoot Cove
thanks...I too just figured it out. And, you cannot go directly to
the link because you need to join the group first!
Nice photos. I would love to see one of the AS 29 actually going.
Sail reports please!
It was blowing 25-30kts in Buzzard's Bay yesterday, and thoughts of
sailing an AS 29 to windward in the spray got my adrenaline pumping.
Then reality hit me as I was in a very beamy catboat reefed almost
down to the "death hole" prior to scurrying back to relative safety.
David Jost
Magnificat,
Aucoot Cove
Hi James,
I always wondered how that 'tinyurl' stuff worked. So now we know! The Bolgeristas have joined the secret order of tinyurl initiates! Thanks.
Mind you, I also wondered why some URL's have to be so damn long in the first place! Is there a 'www.humungousurl.com' website for people who want to create light-year long URLs?
Thanks again for the tip. It's nice to know we've got somebody in the list who can put us right when we need it ;-)
Bill
I always wondered how that 'tinyurl' stuff worked. So now we know! The Bolgeristas have joined the secret order of tinyurl initiates! Thanks.
Mind you, I also wondered why some URL's have to be so damn long in the first place! Is there a 'www.humungousurl.com' website for people who want to create light-year long URLs?
Thanks again for the tip. It's nice to know we've got somebody in the list who can put us right when we need it ;-)
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: James Greene
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 2:46 AM
Subject: [bolger] Finding photos and web pages without URLs ...
Excuse me for mentioning this, but there seems to be many people here
lately who do not bother to post the actual URLs to the photos or web
pages they want other people to see. This might be a good time for me
to make what I feel is nothing more than a "common sense" suggestion
...
When you refer to a web page or photograph or other reference that's on
the Internet, please just visit the page first, before you send your
email. Then copy the exact URL from your web browser and paste it into
the email message.
And if the URL is too long to appear on one line of your email post,
you might also want to convert it to a "tiny url" so people's email
software won't break the long URL:
http://www.tinyurl.com
This simple procedure takes only a few seconds, yet it demonstrates
genuine respect and consideration for the other folks on the list -- by
giving them a URL to click to see what you're talking about ... instead
of making them try to hunt for it. Furthermore it is a virtually
foolproof way to insure that everyone sees exactly what you want them
to see.
Please remember that some of us might have trouble finding the page or
photos you're describing verbally, especially when your description of
its location is sketchy or vague or incomplete (or just plain wrong).
So in an effort to make this forum more friendly and useful to
everyone, I would simply like to encourage you all to please practice
basic "net etiquette" and POST THE URL when you refer to a photo or web
page.
Thanks!
James Greene
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Hal:
I'm not David but the senility problems are similar. Thanks to your
message, the nickel finally dropped. I had been merrily going to
the "Bolger4" group, clicking on photos, and then not finding the
listed folders. Thanks to your message, it finally dawned on me (in
my defense, I am still a relative newcomer to the Bolger groups) that
there is a separate "Bolger4photos" group, and that's where the pics
are. Thanks
Gary Blankenship
I'm not David but the senility problems are similar. Thanks to your
message, the nickel finally dropped. I had been merrily going to
the "Bolger4" group, clicking on photos, and then not finding the
listed folders. Thanks to your message, it finally dawned on me (in
my defense, I am still a relative newcomer to the Bolger groups) that
there is a separate "Bolger4photos" group, and that's where the pics
are. Thanks
Gary Blankenship
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, hal <hl700@c...> wrote:
>
> On Jun 24, 2005, at 3:13 PM, dnjost wrote:
>
> > Bruce -
> >
> > I feel as if it must be senility that is pouring in now. I still
> > can't find these photos even on Bolger 4. Any advice (civil or
> > otherwise) would be appreciated.
>
> I'm not bruce but give this a try:
>
> yahoo group "bolger4photos"
> Tab "Photos"
> folder "AS-29"
>
> These my not be the AS-29 photos you want but they are AS-29 photos.
>
> hal, who is also deluged with senility now and then.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Excuse me for mentioning this, but there seems to be many people here
lately who do not bother to post the actual URLs to the photos or web
pages they want other people to see. This might be a good time for me
to make what I feel is nothing more than a "common sense" suggestion
...
When you refer to a web page or photograph or other reference that's on
the Internet, please just visit the page first, before you send your
email. Then copy the exact URL from your web browser and paste it into
the email message.
And if the URL is too long to appear on one line of your email post,
you might also want to convert it to a "tiny url" so people's email
software won't break the long URL:
http://www.tinyurl.com
This simple procedure takes only a few seconds, yet it demonstrates
genuine respect and consideration for the other folks on the list -- by
giving them a URL to click to see what you're talking about ... instead
of making them try to hunt for it. Furthermore it is a virtually
foolproof way to insure that everyone sees exactly what you want them
to see.
Please remember that some of us might have trouble finding the page or
photos you're describing verbally, especially when your description of
its location is sketchy or vague or incomplete (or just plain wrong).
So in an effort to make this forum more friendly and useful to
everyone, I would simply like to encourage you all to please practice
basic "net etiquette" and POST THE URL when you refer to a photo or web
page.
Thanks!
James Greene
lately who do not bother to post the actual URLs to the photos or web
pages they want other people to see. This might be a good time for me
to make what I feel is nothing more than a "common sense" suggestion
...
When you refer to a web page or photograph or other reference that's on
the Internet, please just visit the page first, before you send your
email. Then copy the exact URL from your web browser and paste it into
the email message.
And if the URL is too long to appear on one line of your email post,
you might also want to convert it to a "tiny url" so people's email
software won't break the long URL:
http://www.tinyurl.com
This simple procedure takes only a few seconds, yet it demonstrates
genuine respect and consideration for the other folks on the list -- by
giving them a URL to click to see what you're talking about ... instead
of making them try to hunt for it. Furthermore it is a virtually
foolproof way to insure that everyone sees exactly what you want them
to see.
Please remember that some of us might have trouble finding the page or
photos you're describing verbally, especially when your description of
its location is sketchy or vague or incomplete (or just plain wrong).
So in an effort to make this forum more friendly and useful to
everyone, I would simply like to encourage you all to please practice
basic "net etiquette" and POST THE URL when you refer to a photo or web
page.
Thanks!
James Greene
On Jun 24, 2005, at 3:13 PM, dnjost wrote:
yahoo group "bolger4photos"
Tab "Photos"
folder "AS-29"
These my not be the AS-29 photos you want but they are AS-29 photos.
hal, who is also deluged with senility now and then.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> Bruce -I'm not bruce but give this a try:
>
> I feel as if it must be senility that is pouring in now. I still
> can't find these photos even on Bolger 4. Any advice (civil or
> otherwise) would be appreciated.
yahoo group "bolger4photos"
Tab "Photos"
folder "AS-29"
These my not be the AS-29 photos you want but they are AS-29 photos.
hal, who is also deluged with senility now and then.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Bruce -
I feel as if it must be senility that is pouring in now. I still
can't find these photos even on Bolger 4. Any advice (civil or
otherwise) would be appreciated.
david
I feel as if it must be senility that is pouring in now. I still
can't find these photos even on Bolger 4. Any advice (civil or
otherwise) would be appreciated.
david
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dnjost" <davidjost@v...> wrote: "I
searched and searched but could not find the folder with the photos
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4photos/lst
Enjoy,
Bruce Hector
searched and searched but could not find the folder with the photos
> on Bolger 2. "That's because ther're in bolger4phots at"
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4photos/lst
Enjoy,
Bruce Hector
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
there Bruce,even the Bolgermeister himself,being rowed around like
some great pasha :-) At least the kids are becoming useful!
Having the SWROA there enjoying a dunking and apparently going back
for more with the girls boarding the kayak.....well.....a guy really
can't complain :-D
Thanks for sharing your family moments with us Bruce.A nice reminder
of what this boating madness should all be about!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,busy assembling the insulated sandwich construction
roof on Windermere and lovin' every moment of it too,despite the
heat, from along the banks of the St.Lawrence Seaway.......
> ...simply messing about in boats; just got backYIPPEE!!!! Sure looks like everyone is having some great good fun
> from three days at the lake, with five
> boats and four girls. What a fun time!
>
>http://community.webshots.com/album/376784242kRAEab
there Bruce,even the Bolgermeister himself,being rowed around like
some great pasha :-) At least the kids are becoming useful!
Having the SWROA there enjoying a dunking and apparently going back
for more with the girls boarding the kayak.....well.....a guy really
can't complain :-D
Thanks for sharing your family moments with us Bruce.A nice reminder
of what this boating madness should all be about!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,busy assembling the insulated sandwich construction
roof on Windermere and lovin' every moment of it too,despite the
heat, from along the banks of the St.Lawrence Seaway.......
I searched and searched but could not find the folder with the photos
on Bolger 2. Am I missing something?
David Jost
on Bolger 2. Am I missing something?
David Jost
...simply messing about in boats; just got back
from three days at the lake, with five
boats and four girls. What a fun time!
http://community.webshots.com/album/376784242kRAEab
from three days at the lake, with five
boats and four girls. What a fun time!
http://community.webshots.com/album/376784242kRAEab
> Congratulations! Great work! Post more photos soon!Ditto from me, an AS29, wow! I am impressed!
> Btw: it's in Bolger4photos.
Post more photos if you can,
and consider using the 'files' section
as Yahoo compresses the photos in the
'photos' section so much that they are
hard to see in detail.
Congratulations! Great work! Post more photos soon!
Btw: it's in Bolger4photos.
Btw: it's in Bolger4photos.
> From: willers32 [mwagner@...][Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> Sent: 2005-06-21 11:50:22 CEST
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] AS-29
>
> After nearly 4 years of weekends and vacations, my AS-29 is ready for
> launching.
> I just posted a couple of pics on the Bolger 4 group, in a folder
> called "AS-29." Enjoy!
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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>
>
After nearly 4 years of weekends and vacations, my AS-29 is ready for
launching.
I just posted a couple of pics on the Bolger 4 group, in a folder
called "AS-29." Enjoy!
launching.
I just posted a couple of pics on the Bolger 4 group, in a folder
called "AS-29." Enjoy!
Does anyone know if there are any AS-29's being actively built besides
Leo's in Germany?
Leo's in Germany?
BO>I guess I am to conclude from the comments I have gathered in my search
BO>that people who know and presumably love the AS-29 (Tim Fatchen, et al),
BO>as well as Bolger himself, do not regard her as an ocean capable vessel.
BO>It is confusing. The LMII is certainly capable, and is of the same basic
BO>design and scantlings, only lengthened. Tim's comment (on his web site)
BO>that the thought of rounding Cape Horn in an AS-29 is not appealing is
BO>certainly correct.
The confusion lessens if you ask some specific questions: "WHICH ocean?
WHICH area?? WHICH season???" . From my zilch true bluewater experience
but what I can piece together from reading, admiralty pilots etc, I have
little qualms about the AS29 capability loose int eh South Australian
Sea, which from hydrographers' viewpoints is very much akin to the Irish
Sea. I have very real qualms of the AS29 capability loose in Bass
Strait with a storm on the way. I don't believe the designer ever
intended the AS29 to be capable of surfing around the world on 30m storm
waves in the Great Southern Ocean. The AS29 capability would be great in
the Coral Sea,and romp through the Arafura Sea and the South CHina Sea
until sunk by typhoons/pirates/local navies. My problem is that to get
to those balmy climes and enjoy the social interaction, the AS29 has to
go via the Great Southern Ocean.
Wises, if you're currently on, you might like to expand on the
difference between a summer atlantic crossing on the normally travelled
routes vs a winter crossing via Rockall and Iceland as it would've
applied to Loose Moose II?
As far as I can tell, the AS29 following the Hiscock Highway in the
proper season would likely handle that as well as many of the other
craft which do it, until shot up by pirates in the Gulf of Suez or off
west africa, of course; and should be a breeze in the Caribbean until
sunk by hurricanes. I'd prefer a bit more room if there were two,
though.
Tim & FT2
BO>that people who know and presumably love the AS-29 (Tim Fatchen, et al),
BO>as well as Bolger himself, do not regard her as an ocean capable vessel.
BO>It is confusing. The LMII is certainly capable, and is of the same basic
BO>design and scantlings, only lengthened. Tim's comment (on his web site)
BO>that the thought of rounding Cape Horn in an AS-29 is not appealing is
BO>certainly correct.
The confusion lessens if you ask some specific questions: "WHICH ocean?
WHICH area?? WHICH season???" . From my zilch true bluewater experience
but what I can piece together from reading, admiralty pilots etc, I have
little qualms about the AS29 capability loose int eh South Australian
Sea, which from hydrographers' viewpoints is very much akin to the Irish
Sea. I have very real qualms of the AS29 capability loose in Bass
Strait with a storm on the way. I don't believe the designer ever
intended the AS29 to be capable of surfing around the world on 30m storm
waves in the Great Southern Ocean. The AS29 capability would be great in
the Coral Sea,and romp through the Arafura Sea and the South CHina Sea
until sunk by typhoons/pirates/local navies. My problem is that to get
to those balmy climes and enjoy the social interaction, the AS29 has to
go via the Great Southern Ocean.
Wises, if you're currently on, you might like to expand on the
difference between a summer atlantic crossing on the normally travelled
routes vs a winter crossing via Rockall and Iceland as it would've
applied to Loose Moose II?
As far as I can tell, the AS29 following the Hiscock Highway in the
proper season would likely handle that as well as many of the other
craft which do it, until shot up by pirates in the Gulf of Suez or off
west africa, of course; and should be a breeze in the Caribbean until
sunk by hurricanes. I'd prefer a bit more room if there were two,
though.
Tim & FT2
Carter,
I quite agree. I was sorta reaching to make the point. I will now hang my head in shame,
david
I quite agree. I was sorta reaching to make the point. I will now hang my head in shame,
david
Carter Kennedy wrote:
david <galvin-@...> wrote:
> According to BOAT/US most boats are lost at
> mooring from leaking through-hulls, not at sea.
That reflects the amount of use and the kind of maintenance most boats
get. If you sail, your chances of having an accident are greater than
if you don't. The big factor is how prudent you are and how well you
maintain your boat, I think.
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Tim,
Thanks for your comments. Any such wacky scheme is a few years off for me, and I would never consider going into the Forties aboard anything less substantial than an aircraft carrier. An Advanced Sharpie has some wonderful advantages in a hurricane, as the mast can be dropped and the boat powered into some out of the way puddle, or even hauled ashore, for the festivities. Try doing that with a Valiant 40. As for pirates, I understand there are some scattered about, even in the Caribbean, and quite a few in the South China Sea. Still, in spite of some colorful stories, there is little evidence for a lot of predation on the many cruisers already out there. What would a pirate make of an AS, anyway? The boats are too unique and have too little resale value to be worth stealing, and they look too funky to be suspected of carrying anything or anyone of value. Be that as it may, even if there are threats from pirates, I lived in Brooklyn for nine years and I'm still here to tell about it, so I either have superior survival skills or a lot of dumb luck to get me through (probably the latter). Btw, I think that the long foredeck on the AS-29 would be an excellent place to mount a machine gun (just kidding). The Wise's experience is instructive. They lost their boat, not in battle or storm on the high seas, but from a mundane stroke of lightning while they were probably feeling confident and cozy about the safety of the situation. According to BOAT/US most boats are lost at mooring from leaking through-hulls, not at sea. Advanced Sharpies are designed to be without through-hulls. I guess that we basically agree about the boats' capabilities. It's just that previous comments were too vague to be qualified.
Again, thank you for your reasoned and thoughtful comments,
david
tjfatchen@... wrote:
Thanks for your comments. Any such wacky scheme is a few years off for me, and I would never consider going into the Forties aboard anything less substantial than an aircraft carrier. An Advanced Sharpie has some wonderful advantages in a hurricane, as the mast can be dropped and the boat powered into some out of the way puddle, or even hauled ashore, for the festivities. Try doing that with a Valiant 40. As for pirates, I understand there are some scattered about, even in the Caribbean, and quite a few in the South China Sea. Still, in spite of some colorful stories, there is little evidence for a lot of predation on the many cruisers already out there. What would a pirate make of an AS, anyway? The boats are too unique and have too little resale value to be worth stealing, and they look too funky to be suspected of carrying anything or anyone of value. Be that as it may, even if there are threats from pirates, I lived in Brooklyn for nine years and I'm still here to tell about it, so I either have superior survival skills or a lot of dumb luck to get me through (probably the latter). Btw, I think that the long foredeck on the AS-29 would be an excellent place to mount a machine gun (just kidding). The Wise's experience is instructive. They lost their boat, not in battle or storm on the high seas, but from a mundane stroke of lightning while they were probably feeling confident and cozy about the safety of the situation. According to BOAT/US most boats are lost at mooring from leaking through-hulls, not at sea. Advanced Sharpies are designed to be without through-hulls. I guess that we basically agree about the boats' capabilities. It's just that previous comments were too vague to be qualified.
Again, thank you for your reasoned and thoughtful comments,
david
tjfatchen@... wrote:
The confusion lessens if you ask some specific questions: "WHICH ocean?
WHICH area?? WHICH season???" . From my zilch true bluewater experience
but what I can piece together from reading, admiralty pilots etc, I have
little qualms about the AS29 capability loose int eh South Australian
Sea, which from hydrographers' viewpoints is very much akin to the Irish
Sea. I have very real qualms of the AS29 capability loose in Bass
Strait with a storm on the way. I don't believe the designer ever
intended the AS29 to be capable of surfing around the world on 30m storm
waves in the Great Southern Ocean. The AS29 capability would be great in
the Coral Sea,and romp through the Arafura Sea and the South CHina Sea
until sunk by typhoons/pirates/local navies. My problem is that to get
to those balmy climes and enjoy the social interaction, the AS29 has to
go via the Great Southern Ocean.Wises, if you're currently on, you might like to expand on the
difference between a summer atlantic crossing on the normally travelled
routes vs a winter crossing via Rockall and Iceland as it would've
applied to Loose Moose II?As far as I can tell, the AS29 following the Hiscock Highway in the
proper season would likely handle that as well as many of the other
craft which do it, until shot up by pirates in the Gulf of Suez or off
west africa, of course; and should be a breeze in the Caribbean until
sunk by hurricanes. I'd prefer a bit more room if there were two,
though.
No, no, don't hang your head. Your point was good: passagemaking is not
necessarily dangerous, and staying at home does not guarantee total
safety.
Carter
david <galvin-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2875
necessarily dangerous, and staying at home does not guarantee total
safety.
Carter
david <galvin-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2875
> Carter,hang my
> I quite agree. I was sorta reaching to make the point. I will now
> head in shame,boats
> david
>
> Carter Kennedy wrote:
>
> > david <galvin-@...> wrote:
> >
> > > According to BOAT/US most boats are lost at
> > > mooring from leaking through-hulls, not at sea.
> >
> > That reflects the amount of use and the kind of maintenance most
> > get. If you sail, your chances of having an accident are greaterthan
> > if you don't. The big factor is how prudent you are and how well you
> > maintain your boat, I think.
> >
david <galvin-@...> wrote:
get. If you sail, your chances of having an accident are greater than
if you don't. The big factor is how prudent you are and how well you
maintain your boat, I think.
> According to BOAT/US most boats are lost atThat reflects the amount of use and the kind of maintenance most boats
> mooring from leaking through-hulls, not at sea.
get. If you sail, your chances of having an accident are greater than
if you don't. The big factor is how prudent you are and how well you
maintain your boat, I think.
Here's another vote for Cape Dory, if you really can't do without a
production boat. CD's are impeccably built.
Don Hodges
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production boat. CD's are impeccably built.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Vanderwaart <pvanderw@...>
To: <bolger@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 12:46 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: circumnavigation
> >
> > I have to agree with your plan. As much as I like Bolger boats, for
> what
> > you are contemplating, I think the Triton fine. It is also do-able
> sooner.
> > You will have to bring both boats up to off-shore standards, at least
> with
> > the Triton, you'll start farther down the timeline...
>
> I actually met a kid who was one of a group of 20-year olds who were
> fitting out a Pearson Vanguard for a circumnavigation. They figured
> that those first generation FG boats with really thick hull layups were
> "the most for the least."
>
> On the other hand, I saw a posting on the Hunter Owner's Group site
> from a man who seemed to think that his vintage Hunter 30 was fit for
> the deep blue sea just because it was heavy.
>
> Cape Dory 25's seem to sell in the $5,000-10,000 range. The
> construction when new was first class. I'll bet you could get one in
> blue water condition as cheaply as a Triton.
>
> Peter
>
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Thanks, PHV, but one of the few nice things about Hunters is the ease with
which they can be scuttled, and having a spare interfers with (or at least
slows down) the process <g>,
david
david
P. Vanderwaart wrote:
If your father wants a spare Hunter 30 for parts, my father is about to
sell his. It's in Punta Gorda. - PHV
Capt'n Paulie,
Thanks for the imput. I just don't know if I agree with my plan. The Triton is a proven circumnavigator but not much of a liveaboard. If I didn't have two kids to send to college, I would buy that Loose Moose II that's for sale in MAIB and head south tomorrow. Chances are that once I got to the Bahamas I wouldn't want to go any further, and a LMII (or maybe an AS-29) would make an ideal Bahama bum boat. Tritons are really snug, especially if I ever find a girlfriend....
david
Thanks for the imput. I just don't know if I agree with my plan. The Triton is a proven circumnavigator but not much of a liveaboard. If I didn't have two kids to send to college, I would buy that Loose Moose II that's for sale in MAIB and head south tomorrow. Chances are that once I got to the Bahamas I wouldn't want to go any further, and a LMII (or maybe an AS-29) would make an ideal Bahama bum boat. Tritons are really snug, especially if I ever find a girlfriend....
david
Paul W. Esterle wrote:
David,
I have to agree with your plan. As much as I like Bolger boats,
for what
you are contemplating, I think the Triton fine. It is also do-able
sooner.
You will have to bring both boats up to off-shore standards, at least
with
the Triton, you'll start farther down the timeline...
Paul W. Esterle
Capt'n Pauley Video Productions
423.989.3159
S/V Bryn Awel, Columbia 10.7
Bristol, Tenn. USA
http://www.captnpauley.bigstep.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: david <galvind@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 3:30 PM
Subject: [bolger] AS-29
> I guess I am to conclude from the comments I have gathered in my search
> that people who know and presumably love the AS-29 (Tim Fatchen,
et al),
> as well as Bolger himself, do not regard her as an ocean capable
vessel.
> It is confusing. The LMII is certainly capable, and is of the same
basic
> design and scantlings, only lengthened. Tim's comment (on his web
site)
> that the thought of rounding Cape Horn in an AS-29 is not appealing
is
> certainly correct. However, I have seen the ship and the movie, and
I
> regard the thought of rounding the Horn in the Peking equally
> nauseating. Oh, well, I guess I'll have to go back to my original
plan
> of buying a sound Pearson Triton and using that for my circumnavig--er,
> I mean, Caribbean trip. It will be cheaper to buy and will hopefully
> have some resale value when I'm done. Does anyone have any comments?
> david
>
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I actually met a kid who was one of a group of 20-year olds who were
fitting out a Pearson Vanguard for a circumnavigation. They figured
that those first generation FG boats with really thick hull layups were
"the most for the least."On the other hand, I saw a posting on the Hunter Owner's Group site
from a man who seemed to think that his vintage Hunter 30 was fit for
the deep blue sea just because it was heavy.Cape Dory 25's seem to sell in the $5,000-10,000 range. The
Peter,
construction when new was first class. I'll bet you could get one in
blue water condition as cheaply as a Triton.
We are getting well off subject here, but the Cape Dory 25D, which has an inboard engine and a real seagoing (if small) interior, is a pretty nice boat and appropriate for offshore travels with little modification. They're rare, but go for about $10,000 when they can be found, about the same as a Triton. Thanks for reminding me about this boat. The standard CD 25 is really just a weekender and a coaster. It would require a lot of modification (i.e.: Money) to bring it up to offshore standards, and it would still only be worth five grand when the time comes to sell it. I still think an AS-29 could handle an ocean crossing if the boat is well founded. As for Hunters, my father owns a 30', and he won't take it out of Boca Raton Inlet if the winds are over twenty knots....
david
If your father wants a spare Hunter 30 for parts, my father is about to
sell his. It's in Punta Gorda. - PHV
At 06:37 PM 2/15/00 -0800, you wrote:
sell his. It's in Punta Gorda. - PHV
At 06:37 PM 2/15/00 -0800, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>I actually met a kid who was one of a group of 20-year olds who were
>>fitting out a Pearson Vanguard for a circumnavigation. They figured
>>that those first generation FG boats with really thick hull layups were
>>"the most for the least."
>>
>>On the other hand, I saw a posting on the Hunter Owner's Group site
>>from a man who seemed to think that his vintage Hunter 30 was fit for
>>the deep blue sea just because it was heavy.
>>
>>Cape Dory 25's seem to sell in the $5,000-10,000 range. The
>>construction when new was first class. I'll bet you could get one in
>>blue water condition as cheaply as a Triton.
>>
>>Peter
>>
> Peter,
>We are getting well off subject here, but the Cape Dory 25D, which has an
>inboard engine and a real seagoing (if small) interior, is a pretty nice
>boat and appropriate for offshore travels with little modification.
>They're rare, but go for about $10,000 when they can be found, about the
>same as a Triton. Thanks for reminding me about this boat. The standard CD
>25 is really just a weekender and a coaster. It would require a lot of
>modification (i.e.: Money) to bring it up to offshore standards, and it
>would still only be worth five grand when the time comes to sell it. I
>still think an AS-29 could handle an ocean crossing if the boat is well
>founded. As for Hunters, my father owns a 30', and he won't take it out of
>Boca Raton Inlet if the winds are over twenty knots....
>david
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We ended up buying a 1978 Columbia 10.7 "meter"
boat (35'). I did this when I finally came to the realization that I
wanted out on the water sooner than later and I wasn't getting any
younger. We got her cheap and have to do some work on her, but much less
than starting from scratch. She's big enough to live aboard and
sisterships have been cruising for years. (Still look at the AS-29 plans from
time to time, tho!)
Paul W. Esterle
Capt'n Pauley Video Productions
423.989.3159
S/V Bryn Awel, Columbia 10.7
Bristol, Tenn. USA
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----- Original Message -----From:davidSent:Tuesday, February 15, 2000 10:18 PMSubject:[bolger] Re: AS-29Capt'n Paulie,
Thanks for the imput. I just don't know if I agree with my plan. The Triton is a proven circumnavigator but not much of a liveaboard. If I didn't have two kids to send to college, I would buy that Loose Moose II that's for sale in MAIB and head south tomorrow. Chances are that once I got to the Bahamas I wouldn't want to go any further, and a LMII (or maybe an AS-29) would make an ideal Bahama bum boat. Tritons are really snug, especially if I ever find a girlfriend....
davidPaul W. Esterle wrote:
David,I have to agree with your plan. As much as I like Bolger boats, for what
you are contemplating, I think the Triton fine. It is also do-able sooner.
You will have to bring both boats up to off-shore standards, at least with
the Triton, you'll start farther down the timeline...Paul W. Esterle
Capt'n Pauley Video Productions
423.989.3159
S/V Bryn Awel, Columbia 10.7
Bristol, Tenn. USA
http://www.captnpauley.bigstep.com
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From: david <galvind@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 3:30 PM
Subject: [bolger] AS-29> I guess I am to conclude from the comments I have gathered in my search
> that people who know and presumably love the AS-29 (Tim Fatchen, et al),
> as well as Bolger himself, do not regard her as an ocean capable vessel.
> It is confusing. The LMII is certainly capable, and is of the same basic
> design and scantlings, only lengthened. Tim's comment (on his web site)
> that the thought of rounding Cape Horn in an AS-29 is not appealing is
> certainly correct. However, I have seen the ship and the movie, and I
> regard the thought of rounding the Horn in the Peking equally
> nauseating. Oh, well, I guess I'll have to go back to my original plan
> of buying a sound Pearson Triton and using that for my circumnavig--er,
> I mean, Caribbean trip. It will be cheaper to buy and will hopefully
> have some resale value when I'm done. Does anyone have any comments?
> david
>
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I guess I am to conclude from the comments I have gathered in my search
that people who know and presumably love the AS-29 (Tim Fatchen, et al),
as well as Bolger himself, do not regard her as an ocean capable vessel.
It is confusing. The LMII is certainly capable, and is of the same basic
design and scantlings, only lengthened. Tim's comment (on his web site)
that the thought of rounding Cape Horn in an AS-29 is not appealing is
certainly correct. However, I have seen the ship and the movie, and I
regard the thought of rounding the Horn in the Peking equally
nauseating. Oh, well, I guess I'll have to go back to my original plan
of buying a sound Pearson Triton and using that for my circumnavig--er,
I mean, Caribbean trip. It will be cheaper to buy and will hopefully
have some resale value when I'm done. Does anyone have any comments?
david
that people who know and presumably love the AS-29 (Tim Fatchen, et al),
as well as Bolger himself, do not regard her as an ocean capable vessel.
It is confusing. The LMII is certainly capable, and is of the same basic
design and scantlings, only lengthened. Tim's comment (on his web site)
that the thought of rounding Cape Horn in an AS-29 is not appealing is
certainly correct. However, I have seen the ship and the movie, and I
regard the thought of rounding the Horn in the Peking equally
nauseating. Oh, well, I guess I'll have to go back to my original plan
of buying a sound Pearson Triton and using that for my circumnavig--er,
I mean, Caribbean trip. It will be cheaper to buy and will hopefully
have some resale value when I'm done. Does anyone have any comments?
david
>what
> I have to agree with your plan. As much as I like Bolger boats, for
> you are contemplating, I think the Triton fine. It is also do-ablesooner.
> You will have to bring both boats up to off-shore standards, at leastwith
> the Triton, you'll start farther down the timeline...I actually met a kid who was one of a group of 20-year olds who were
fitting out a Pearson Vanguard for a circumnavigation. They figured
that those first generation FG boats with really thick hull layups were
"the most for the least."
On the other hand, I saw a posting on the Hunter Owner's Group site
from a man who seemed to think that his vintage Hunter 30 was fit for
the deep blue sea just because it was heavy.
Cape Dory 25's seem to sell in the $5,000-10,000 range. The
construction when new was first class. I'll bet you could get one in
blue water condition as cheaply as a Triton.
Peter
David,
I have to agree with your plan. As much as I like Bolger boats, for what
you are contemplating, I think the Triton fine. It is also do-able sooner.
You will have to bring both boats up to off-shore standards, at least with
the Triton, you'll start farther down the timeline...
Paul W. Esterle
Capt'n Pauley Video Productions
423.989.3159
S/V Bryn Awel, Columbia 10.7
Bristol, Tenn. USA
http://www.captnpauley.bigstep.com
http://pages.preferred.com/~pesterle/
I have to agree with your plan. As much as I like Bolger boats, for what
you are contemplating, I think the Triton fine. It is also do-able sooner.
You will have to bring both boats up to off-shore standards, at least with
the Triton, you'll start farther down the timeline...
Paul W. Esterle
Capt'n Pauley Video Productions
423.989.3159
S/V Bryn Awel, Columbia 10.7
Bristol, Tenn. USA
http://www.captnpauley.bigstep.com
http://pages.preferred.com/~pesterle/
----- Original Message -----
From: david <galvind@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 3:30 PM
Subject: [bolger] AS-29
> I guess I am to conclude from the comments I have gathered in my search
> that people who know and presumably love the AS-29 (Tim Fatchen, et al),
> as well as Bolger himself, do not regard her as an ocean capable vessel.
> It is confusing. The LMII is certainly capable, and is of the same basic
> design and scantlings, only lengthened. Tim's comment (on his web site)
> that the thought of rounding Cape Horn in an AS-29 is not appealing is
> certainly correct. However, I have seen the ship and the movie, and I
> regard the thought of rounding the Horn in the Peking equally
> nauseating. Oh, well, I guess I'll have to go back to my original plan
> of buying a sound Pearson Triton and using that for my circumnavig--er,
> I mean, Caribbean trip. It will be cheaper to buy and will hopefully
> have some resale value when I'm done. Does anyone have any comments?
> david
>
>
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