Re: Terror.
My (or is it our, I've lost track who owns what) rowboat has at least
200 extra pounds of displacement in a big lump on the bottom and looks
awkward on the roof rack but in the water you can't really see it and
unless going against a head sea or overloading the boat it isn't really
noticeable.
200 extra pounds of displacement in a big lump on the bottom and looks
awkward on the roof rack but in the water you can't really see it and
unless going against a head sea or overloading the boat it isn't really
noticeable.
>Richard Spelling wrote:
>
>You will screw it up. Of course you will, you will get something 1/8 or 1/4 inch off.
>
>So what?
>
>snip
>
Don't forget, also, that 'errors' can frequently be nicely finished and
presented as 'custom touchs'!
It ain't rocket science..... and The Moaning Chair is a must-have addition
to any builder's toolset!
David "Yeah, it's better that way" Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: Hal Lynch [mailto:hal@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:48 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Terror.
presented as 'custom touchs'!
It ain't rocket science..... and The Moaning Chair is a must-have addition
to any builder's toolset!
David "Yeah, it's better that way" Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: Hal Lynch [mailto:hal@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:48 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Terror.
On Monday, May 12, 2003, at 07:15 PM, choochawaga wrote:
> I need mental help.
> I've got the lines of Teal perfectly drawn out on the plywood sheets
> but I just can't bring myself to cut the wood. I'm going to make a
> mistake and terrible things beyond comprehension are going to happen
> to me because I made mistake.
> And I'm also going to die if I don't cut.
> I need this boat.
> I need this boat done.
> I need this boat done now.
> I can't take it anymore.
> Tomas Torquemada couldn't cause me more discomfort than I'm causing
> myself.
> They sink old Coast Guard boats for artificial reefs so why can't
> they just sink me.
Get yourself a moaning chair then start cutting plywood. As
has been said split the lines for the sides as closely as you
can and move on. Don't worry, you WILL make mistakes.
That is what the chair is for. If you get stumped ask the
group, all here are pretty good at hiding mistakes. My Teal
is nearing completion(at last) in spite of numerous goofs.
hal
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On Monday, May 12, 2003, at 07:15 PM, choochawaga wrote:
has been said split the lines for the sides as closely as you
can and move on. Don't worry, you WILL make mistakes.
That is what the chair is for. If you get stumped ask the
group, all here are pretty good at hiding mistakes. My Teal
is nearing completion(at last) in spite of numerous goofs.
hal
> I need mental help.Get yourself a moaning chair then start cutting plywood. As
> I've got the lines of Teal perfectly drawn out on the plywood sheets
> but I just can't bring myself to cut the wood. I'm going to make a
> mistake and terrible things beyond comprehension are going to happen
> to me because I made mistake.
> And I'm also going to die if I don't cut.
> I need this boat.
> I need this boat done.
> I need this boat done now.
> I can't take it anymore.
> Tomas Torquemada couldn't cause me more discomfort than I'm causing
> myself.
> They sink old Coast Guard boats for artificial reefs so why can't
> they just sink me.
has been said split the lines for the sides as closely as you
can and move on. Don't worry, you WILL make mistakes.
That is what the chair is for. If you get stumped ask the
group, all here are pretty good at hiding mistakes. My Teal
is nearing completion(at last) in spite of numerous goofs.
hal
You will screw it up. Of course you will, you will get something 1/8 or 1/4 inch off.
So what?
I'm sure any of us can give you a long list of our screwups.
Part of the joy of building boats is learning new things. One of the most efective methods of learning is by mistake.
Another part of the joy of boat building is overcoming adversity, and hiding your mistakes!
Measure twice, cut once, measure again and recut!
So what?
I'm sure any of us can give you a long list of our screwups.
Part of the joy of building boats is learning new things. One of the most efective methods of learning is by mistake.
Another part of the joy of boat building is overcoming adversity, and hiding your mistakes!
Measure twice, cut once, measure again and recut!
----- Original Message -----
From: "choochawaga" <soulinvictus@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:15 PM
Subject: [bolger] Terror.
> I need mental help.
> I've got the lines of Teal perfectly drawn out on the plywood sheets
> but I just can't bring myself to cut the wood. I'm going to make a
> mistake and terrible things beyond comprehension are going to happen
> to me because I made mistake.
> And I'm also going to die if I don't cut.
> I need this boat.
> I need this boat done.
> I need this boat done now.
> I can't take it anymore.
> Tomas Torquemada couldn't cause me more discomfort than I'm causing
> myself.
> They sink old Coast Guard boats for artificial reefs so why can't
> they just sink me.
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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>
p.s.
I see by looking at the plans your sides come from straight cuts to get three pieces from
a 4 x 8 sheet. For that, you'll need to split the lines.
If you're planning to use a circular saw, you might find it worthwhile to buy or cobble
from good, straight lumber some type of guide.
For the bottom, take heed of key note #8 and leave 1/2" to fiddle with when you put the
bottom on.
In any case, it's good to support the sheet real well, both inside the cut ( to the left )
and at the offcut's middle. Otherwise, that will start to get heavy pretty fast and bind
your saw.
Some two by fours across some low sawhorses and a friend to help would work.
Cheers,
Mark
I see by looking at the plans your sides come from straight cuts to get three pieces from
a 4 x 8 sheet. For that, you'll need to split the lines.
If you're planning to use a circular saw, you might find it worthwhile to buy or cobble
from good, straight lumber some type of guide.
For the bottom, take heed of key note #8 and leave 1/2" to fiddle with when you put the
bottom on.
In any case, it's good to support the sheet real well, both inside the cut ( to the left )
and at the offcut's middle. Otherwise, that will start to get heavy pretty fast and bind
your saw.
Some two by fours across some low sawhorses and a friend to help would work.
Cheers,
Mark
Chooch,
Like Krisnamurti said: "It isn't that you have fear. You are fear." But if you press on it
will evaporate.
The most shocking thing that happens is that the plywood layers seem to tear and splinter
with each stroke of the saw. You can prevent that by running 2" masking tape behind the
lines on the other side of the sheet.
Use a ten or ( better ) 12 pt. hand saw. It will do the curves just fine and let you go at
a better pace than anything that buzzes.
Slowly, cut wide enough of your lines to leave them whole. Later, put the two pieces
together and with some 60 or 80 grit sandpaper wrapped around a block, smooth them right
down to matched perfection.
What's the worst that could possibly happen? So what?
Let us know how it goes,
Mark
choochawaga wrote:
Like Krisnamurti said: "It isn't that you have fear. You are fear." But if you press on it
will evaporate.
The most shocking thing that happens is that the plywood layers seem to tear and splinter
with each stroke of the saw. You can prevent that by running 2" masking tape behind the
lines on the other side of the sheet.
Use a ten or ( better ) 12 pt. hand saw. It will do the curves just fine and let you go at
a better pace than anything that buzzes.
Slowly, cut wide enough of your lines to leave them whole. Later, put the two pieces
together and with some 60 or 80 grit sandpaper wrapped around a block, smooth them right
down to matched perfection.
What's the worst that could possibly happen? So what?
Let us know how it goes,
Mark
choochawaga wrote:
>
> I need mental help.
> I've got the lines of Teal perfectly drawn out on the plywood sheets
> but I just can't bring myself to cut the wood. I'm going to make a
> mistake and terrible things beyond comprehension are going to happen
> to me because I made mistake.
> And I'm also going to die if I don't cut.
> I need this boat.
> I need this boat done.
> I need this boat done now.
> I can't take it anymore.
> Tomas Torquemada couldn't cause me more discomfort than I'm causing
> myself.
> They sink old Coast Guard boats for artificial reefs so why can't
> they just sink me.
I remember guiding a friend through his first stitch and glue boat.
After he carefully marked the lines he was afraid to cut. He asked which
side of the pencil line he should cut to? I responded, "split it" as I
headed home. So he struggled alone cutting closer and closer to the line
with various saws, finally resorting to a block plane. Took him all
weekend. He actually had the pieces cut out with half a pencil line on
each edge the next weekend.... I really felt bad having put him through
all that. What I meant was cut right down the line, wiggling a bit to
either side won't make any difference. Cutting too much will leave a
nice open gap for the epoxy. Not cutting enough will mean whacking some
more off until there is a gap so the panels won't bind....
Does Teal have a chine log? Is it glue and nail? Then you could cut a
tiny bit proud of the line, glue and nail the chine up to the line, then
plane off the excess ply down to the chine.....
What you might want to do is just keep going. Unless you are attempting
to build a work of fine art, it'll all turn out OK by the end..., and
then you will have a boat....
Rick
choochawaga wrote:
After he carefully marked the lines he was afraid to cut. He asked which
side of the pencil line he should cut to? I responded, "split it" as I
headed home. So he struggled alone cutting closer and closer to the line
with various saws, finally resorting to a block plane. Took him all
weekend. He actually had the pieces cut out with half a pencil line on
each edge the next weekend.... I really felt bad having put him through
all that. What I meant was cut right down the line, wiggling a bit to
either side won't make any difference. Cutting too much will leave a
nice open gap for the epoxy. Not cutting enough will mean whacking some
more off until there is a gap so the panels won't bind....
Does Teal have a chine log? Is it glue and nail? Then you could cut a
tiny bit proud of the line, glue and nail the chine up to the line, then
plane off the excess ply down to the chine.....
What you might want to do is just keep going. Unless you are attempting
to build a work of fine art, it'll all turn out OK by the end..., and
then you will have a boat....
Rick
choochawaga wrote:
> I need mental help.
> I've got the lines of Teal perfectly drawn out on the plywood sheets
> but I just can't bring myself to cut the wood. I'm going to make a
> mistake and terrible things beyond comprehension are going to happen
> to me because I made mistake.
> And I'm also going to die if I don't cut.
> I need this boat.
> I need this boat done.
> I need this boat done now.
> I can't take it anymore.
> Tomas Torquemada couldn't cause me more discomfort than I'm causing
> myself.
> They sink old Coast Guard boats for artificial reefs so why can't
> they just sink me.
Whenever I get that way, I just remember my Dad's favorite saying:
"Putty and Paint makes the carpenter (er.. boatbuilder) what he aint!"
or
"Grab a beer, feel the power, invest in an epoxy resin company."
or
"Use low-res photos. It Fools em every time son."
Brent
http://www.tcinternet.net/users/bjschwa/gypsy.htm
"Putty and Paint makes the carpenter (er.. boatbuilder) what he aint!"
or
"Grab a beer, feel the power, invest in an epoxy resin company."
or
"Use low-res photos. It Fools em every time son."
Brent
http://www.tcinternet.net/users/bjschwa/gypsy.htm
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "choochawaga" <soulinvictus@c...> wrote:
> I need mental help.
> I've got the lines of Teal perfectly drawn out on the plywood sheets
> but I just can't bring myself to cut the wood. I'm going to make a
> mistake and terrible things beyond comprehension are going to happen
> to me because I made mistake.
> And I'm also going to die if I don't cut.
> I need this boat.
> I need this boat done.
> I need this boat done now.
> I can't take it anymore.
> Tomas Torquemada couldn't cause me more discomfort than I'm causing
> myself.
> They sink old Coast Guard boats for artificial reefs so why can't
> they just sink me.
CUT IT. CUT IT NOW!!!!
Believe me - you can fill anything with fiberglass. I just built the
Nymph and the bilge panels gave me fits. "Cut to fit" is right up
there with a free hair cut. I'm assuming I will get better with
practice. BUT - fiberglass is great stuff and will fill any gap you
cant drive your car through, and maybe some of those too. Two
suggestions, though
1. Put something inside of the seam so that resin doesnt drip
everywhere - its a pain to sand off. I had a large blob (1") that I
had to sand off the outside of my hull because I got lazy with the
masking tape.
2. Add LOTS of filler to make it a lot stiffer than you think you
should when you are just starting out using it. A thick mixture
spreads and stays in place much better than the smooth creamy stuff
you think is best. I used to use store bought filler at $10 a box
until I found out that the stuff from my belt sander worked just as
good it just wasnt as pretty. But free if I'm going to paint over it
anyway seemed like a good deal.
Anyway, teal is pretty straight forward - the chine logs will give
you an even bottom no matter what you do and the bottom is "Cut to
Fit" right? Worst Case - buy another sheet of plywood for $20.
Build the Boat and go!!!
Good Luck.
Doug
Believe me - you can fill anything with fiberglass. I just built the
Nymph and the bilge panels gave me fits. "Cut to fit" is right up
there with a free hair cut. I'm assuming I will get better with
practice. BUT - fiberglass is great stuff and will fill any gap you
cant drive your car through, and maybe some of those too. Two
suggestions, though
1. Put something inside of the seam so that resin doesnt drip
everywhere - its a pain to sand off. I had a large blob (1") that I
had to sand off the outside of my hull because I got lazy with the
masking tape.
2. Add LOTS of filler to make it a lot stiffer than you think you
should when you are just starting out using it. A thick mixture
spreads and stays in place much better than the smooth creamy stuff
you think is best. I used to use store bought filler at $10 a box
until I found out that the stuff from my belt sander worked just as
good it just wasnt as pretty. But free if I'm going to paint over it
anyway seemed like a good deal.
Anyway, teal is pretty straight forward - the chine logs will give
you an even bottom no matter what you do and the bottom is "Cut to
Fit" right? Worst Case - buy another sheet of plywood for $20.
Build the Boat and go!!!
Good Luck.
Doug
Go ahead and cut. But before you cut, go on line to your broker and
buy shares in West, or 3M, or Raka, whatever. I had gaps I could pur
my hands through in my first couple of boats. I'm pretty sure I'm one
of the guys who made the Goudeon Brothers rich, or at least famous!
Keep in mind that the worse your carpentry skills are, the stronger
the boat will be if the gaping seams are filled with epoxy.
Believe me, it WILL float. Have fun and keep building!
Bruce Hector
Take a peak at
http://www.brucesboats.com
and follow the inks to the Messabout pages to see the Phoebe.
buy shares in West, or 3M, or Raka, whatever. I had gaps I could pur
my hands through in my first couple of boats. I'm pretty sure I'm one
of the guys who made the Goudeon Brothers rich, or at least famous!
Keep in mind that the worse your carpentry skills are, the stronger
the boat will be if the gaping seams are filled with epoxy.
Believe me, it WILL float. Have fun and keep building!
Bruce Hector
Take a peak at
http://www.brucesboats.com
and follow the inks to the Messabout pages to see the Phoebe.
Go ahead and cut. But before you cut, go on line to your broker and
buy shares in West, or 3M, or Raka, whatever. I had gaps I could pur
my hands through in my first couple of boats. I'm pretty sure I'm one
of the guys who made the Goudeon Brothers rich, or at least famous!
Keep in mind that the worse your carpentry skills are, the stronger
the boat will be if the gaping seams are filled with epoxy.
Believe me, it WILL float. Have fun and keep building!
Bruce Hector
buy shares in West, or 3M, or Raka, whatever. I had gaps I could pur
my hands through in my first couple of boats. I'm pretty sure I'm one
of the guys who made the Goudeon Brothers rich, or at least famous!
Keep in mind that the worse your carpentry skills are, the stronger
the boat will be if the gaping seams are filled with epoxy.
Believe me, it WILL float. Have fun and keep building!
Bruce Hector
It may help you to know that the record for building a Teal is a
little over one hour in the "quick & dirty" boat building contests.
A few years ago when the competitive techniques were a bit less
refined, another fellow and myself built one, including oars and
seat, in 2 hour 18 minutes. The team beside us built theirs in one
hour and about 40 minutes but they mistakenly assembled the boat
with two port sides. It looked a little lopsided since the stem
leaned to port and the stern to starboard. They took a severe hit
on quality points.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "choochawaga" <soulinvictus@c...>
wrote:
little over one hour in the "quick & dirty" boat building contests.
A few years ago when the competitive techniques were a bit less
refined, another fellow and myself built one, including oars and
seat, in 2 hour 18 minutes. The team beside us built theirs in one
hour and about 40 minutes but they mistakenly assembled the boat
with two port sides. It looked a little lopsided since the stem
leaned to port and the stern to starboard. They took a severe hit
on quality points.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "choochawaga" <soulinvictus@c...>
wrote:
> I need mental help.sheets
> I've got the lines of Teal perfectly drawn out on the plywood
> but I just can't bring myself to cut the wood. I'm going to makea
> mistake and terrible things beyond comprehension are going tohappen
> to me because I made mistake.causing
> And I'm also going to die if I don't cut.
> I need this boat.
> I need this boat done.
> I need this boat done now.
> I can't take it anymore.
> Tomas Torquemada couldn't cause me more discomfort than I'm
> myself.
> They sink old Coast Guard boats for artificial reefs so why can't
> they just sink me.
I need mental help.
I've got the lines of Teal perfectly drawn out on the plywood sheets
but I just can't bring myself to cut the wood. I'm going to make a
mistake and terrible things beyond comprehension are going to happen
to me because I made mistake.
And I'm also going to die if I don't cut.
I need this boat.
I need this boat done.
I need this boat done now.
I can't take it anymore.
Tomas Torquemada couldn't cause me more discomfort than I'm causing
myself.
They sink old Coast Guard boats for artificial reefs so why can't
they just sink me.
I've got the lines of Teal perfectly drawn out on the plywood sheets
but I just can't bring myself to cut the wood. I'm going to make a
mistake and terrible things beyond comprehension are going to happen
to me because I made mistake.
And I'm also going to die if I don't cut.
I need this boat.
I need this boat done.
I need this boat done now.
I can't take it anymore.
Tomas Torquemada couldn't cause me more discomfort than I'm causing
myself.
They sink old Coast Guard boats for artificial reefs so why can't
they just sink me.