Re: Wanted: Micro aux. advice
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jack&Lois" <jalo@i...> wrote:
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In case this link does not work,just go to the files section and
click on MICRO. You'll see a folder called Lenihans' LESTAT .The last
picture is the one your looking for.
Just as a point of interest, I keep the outboard throttle arm in the
raised postion since all my steering was done with the rudder
only.This is another good reason to make the opening
ah...er.....well...open! :-D
Also, if you ever want to do"tricks" with your Micro, she will spin
right around in her own length by shoving the outboard and tiller
hard over.....something not quickly done if the throttle arm is in
the down postion. A cat(yawl) chashing her own tail!
You could certainly go a bit bigger in hp rating. I think Bolger may
have mentioned something about weight being the limiting factor,ie;
how strongly built the transom is.
And don't forget hull speed! The Micro has something like a 4.5 kt
hull speed.After that,the wake she makes just gets bigger and the gas
is combusted much much faster. So no point is hanging a beast off her
bum unless you want to play in the reversing falls......!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, just back from the boat shop in the boonies and happy
after building a fine jig/table for assembling the hull/cabin sides
of Windermere,along the banks of the St.Lawrence Seaway..........
> Peter, if such exists, please send me the url that will let melook at
> Lestat's transom again. I had big ideas about an elaboratelyornate, bright
> finished, ash transom cap. I may well rethink that after youradvice.
> jeb, starting to run out of places to use up left over epoxy, on theHere ya go Jack;
> crumbling shores of Fundy
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/sOPDPnFs26FuBYlYQE8xKoU_mX-
qp96xG41QBi4Qb50zvbt53PDW9j-
_h7H6U29m2aUWDD8YvIZJRELjnD4V2Ca_jVwHy5_xYT5YoRNn-8z-
nBWy/Micro/Lenihans%27%20%20%22LESTAT%22%20/Stern.jpg
In case this link does not work,just go to the files section and
click on MICRO. You'll see a folder called Lenihans' LESTAT .The last
picture is the one your looking for.
Just as a point of interest, I keep the outboard throttle arm in the
raised postion since all my steering was done with the rudder
only.This is another good reason to make the opening
ah...er.....well...open! :-D
Also, if you ever want to do"tricks" with your Micro, she will spin
right around in her own length by shoving the outboard and tiller
hard over.....something not quickly done if the throttle arm is in
the down postion. A cat(yawl) chashing her own tail!
You could certainly go a bit bigger in hp rating. I think Bolger may
have mentioned something about weight being the limiting factor,ie;
how strongly built the transom is.
And don't forget hull speed! The Micro has something like a 4.5 kt
hull speed.After that,the wake she makes just gets bigger and the gas
is combusted much much faster. So no point is hanging a beast off her
bum unless you want to play in the reversing falls......!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, just back from the boat shop in the boonies and happy
after building a fine jig/table for assembling the hull/cabin sides
of Windermere,along the banks of the St.Lawrence Seaway..........
It pays to read the fine print!
That would make a big difference -the purchase price will depreciate fast.
Looks like a used 4 stroke has got to be the thing. You'll be happier to hold out for the cleanest.
Mark
Jack&Lois wrote:
I
That would make a big difference -the purchase price will depreciate fast.
Looks like a used 4 stroke has got to be the thing. You'll be happier to hold out for the cleanest.
Mark
Jack&Lois wrote:
I
> appreciate Mark's mention of the Briggs & Statton. I love everything about
> that motor except the last comment on the spec list which says: designed for
> fresh water use. Am I wrong to strike it from the list because of this
> apparent limitation?
7.5 HP will be fine, just run it at a lower RPM setting for better fuel economy. Think of the backup power available in a pinch. But, don't go so big that she's not using about half her power because it may result in glazing the cylinder(s) and thus, less performance. More power usually translates to a heavier engine also.
The Briggs is an air cooled unit --no water circulation necessary. Paint the lower unit to resist corrosion and keep it out of the water when not running. Probably a good buy for the power. Little, if anything except exhaust to get into the water--and you can sustain that by regular and proper maintenance.
The Briggs is an air cooled unit --no water circulation necessary. Paint the lower unit to resist corrosion and keep it out of the water when not running. Probably a good buy for the power. Little, if anything except exhaust to get into the water--and you can sustain that by regular and proper maintenance.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack&Lois
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 12:44 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Wanted: Micro aux. advice
Thanx, Bolgerados, for expansive responses. The cheapie this year is
strickly of circumstantial necessity. My goal is to get a new 4 stroke by
summer 04. In the meantime I gotta have some power backup on her for launch
this spring/summer. Thanx , Richard for the lead on the Nissan. Sounds like
a great (and economical) alternative to the Honda option.
I've always loved the old Seagull. For my low-mechanical interest (not
aptitude) the seagull has always struck me as the lowest common denominator
of motor. But I've become a hyper-eviro-conscious kind of guy in my old
age. Esp. regarding water. I can hardly bring myself to spit over the side
when a black fly hits the back of my throat (besides, there's a certain
vendictive pleasure in eating one of THEIR number). My desperate desire to
get the Micro into the water over rides that sensibility to the extent I'm
willing to shop for a 2 stroke.
Peter, if such exists, please send me the url that will let me look at
Lestat's transom again. I had big ideas about an elaborately ornate, bright
finished, ash transom cap. I may well rethink that after your advice. I
appreciate Mark's mention of the Briggs & Statton. I love everything about
that motor except the last comment on the spec list which says: designed for
fresh water use. Am I wrong to strike it from the list because of this
apparent limitation?
I'm seeing lots of 7.5 hp's advertised in the NS Bargain Hunter. Would that
be too much power for Micro? Again thanx to all. Delightful to be engaged in
a discussion again.
jeb, starting to run out of places to use up left over epoxy, on the
crumbling shores of Fundy
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Thanx, Bolgerados, for expansive responses. The cheapie this year is
strickly of circumstantial necessity. My goal is to get a new 4 stroke by
summer 04. In the meantime I gotta have some power backup on her for launch
this spring/summer. Thanx , Richard for the lead on the Nissan. Sounds like
a great (and economical) alternative to the Honda option.
I've always loved the old Seagull. For my low-mechanical interest (not
aptitude) the seagull has always struck me as the lowest common denominator
of motor. But I've become a hyper-eviro-conscious kind of guy in my old
age. Esp. regarding water. I can hardly bring myself to spit over the side
when a black fly hits the back of my throat (besides, there's a certain
vendictive pleasure in eating one of THEIR number). My desperate desire to
get the Micro into the water over rides that sensibility to the extent I'm
willing to shop for a 2 stroke.
Peter, if such exists, please send me the url that will let me look at
Lestat's transom again. I had big ideas about an elaborately ornate, bright
finished, ash transom cap. I may well rethink that after your advice. I
appreciate Mark's mention of the Briggs & Statton. I love everything about
that motor except the last comment on the spec list which says: designed for
fresh water use. Am I wrong to strike it from the list because of this
apparent limitation?
I'm seeing lots of 7.5 hp's advertised in the NS Bargain Hunter. Would that
be too much power for Micro? Again thanx to all. Delightful to be engaged in
a discussion again.
jeb, starting to run out of places to use up left over epoxy, on the
crumbling shores of Fundy
strickly of circumstantial necessity. My goal is to get a new 4 stroke by
summer 04. In the meantime I gotta have some power backup on her for launch
this spring/summer. Thanx , Richard for the lead on the Nissan. Sounds like
a great (and economical) alternative to the Honda option.
I've always loved the old Seagull. For my low-mechanical interest (not
aptitude) the seagull has always struck me as the lowest common denominator
of motor. But I've become a hyper-eviro-conscious kind of guy in my old
age. Esp. regarding water. I can hardly bring myself to spit over the side
when a black fly hits the back of my throat (besides, there's a certain
vendictive pleasure in eating one of THEIR number). My desperate desire to
get the Micro into the water over rides that sensibility to the extent I'm
willing to shop for a 2 stroke.
Peter, if such exists, please send me the url that will let me look at
Lestat's transom again. I had big ideas about an elaborately ornate, bright
finished, ash transom cap. I may well rethink that after your advice. I
appreciate Mark's mention of the Briggs & Statton. I love everything about
that motor except the last comment on the spec list which says: designed for
fresh water use. Am I wrong to strike it from the list because of this
apparent limitation?
I'm seeing lots of 7.5 hp's advertised in the NS Bargain Hunter. Would that
be too much power for Micro? Again thanx to all. Delightful to be engaged in
a discussion again.
jeb, starting to run out of places to use up left over epoxy, on the
crumbling shores of Fundy
You might be candidates for the Briggs and Stratton 5 hp, 4 stroke at about $500.
http://www.briggspowerproducts.com/MainSite.asp?CategoryID=%2D1&lrID=1&ParentID=0&MSCSSID=&MB=&l=0&EPAGE=/main/BPP/mainsite/NA/EN/outboard.mb
Mark
Jack&Lois wrote:
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Mark
Jack&Lois wrote:
> #1
> choice would be a brand new 4 stroke 5 hp Honda or the equivilant, but
> mega-multiple litres of epoxy and cloth have left resourses desperately
> depleted. So I'm hoping to find something in the $500-700 0
I've got a Seagull 5 HP long shaft. Love the mechanical simplicity, but the
noise and smoke are daunting. The oil smoke can be somewhat tamed by
changed some carb parts to go from 10:1 (yes, ladies and gentlemen, that's
right.) to 25:1 fuel/oil muixture. Still not a 4-stroke, but you can tell
it's daylight. The noise is tough, we've contemplated an insulated motor
box. Fuel consumption versus tank size may also be a factor, depending on
where you and your trusty Seagull sit in relation to each other.
The Michalak crowd often explores the virtues of acquiring elderly 2-strokes
at flea markets; you might pursue that avenue if you're mechanically-minded.
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: gssparhawk [mailto:gssparhawk@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:32 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Wanted: Micro aux. advice
Why not the ubiquitous Sea Gull? Most are long shafts and designed for salt.
Lot of "push" for the HP. Light and sooo simple and reliable that they had
become the standard of the Britt sail community. Can be had on ebay for a
few hundred in good cond. Yeah, the oil slick might be a thing for some, and
I hear the put-putt can be louder than a nice four-stroke but, what
-the-heck, what do you want for the price of a New York weekend?
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noise and smoke are daunting. The oil smoke can be somewhat tamed by
changed some carb parts to go from 10:1 (yes, ladies and gentlemen, that's
right.) to 25:1 fuel/oil muixture. Still not a 4-stroke, but you can tell
it's daylight. The noise is tough, we've contemplated an insulated motor
box. Fuel consumption versus tank size may also be a factor, depending on
where you and your trusty Seagull sit in relation to each other.
The Michalak crowd often explores the virtues of acquiring elderly 2-strokes
at flea markets; you might pursue that avenue if you're mechanically-minded.
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: gssparhawk [mailto:gssparhawk@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:32 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Wanted: Micro aux. advice
Why not the ubiquitous Sea Gull? Most are long shafts and designed for salt.
Lot of "push" for the HP. Light and sooo simple and reliable that they had
become the standard of the Britt sail community. Can be had on ebay for a
few hundred in good cond. Yeah, the oil slick might be a thing for some, and
I hear the put-putt can be louder than a nice four-stroke but, what
-the-heck, what do you want for the price of a New York weekend?
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Well, now, FUNDY! I'd probably want backup in that stretch of crazyness. Maybe TWO seagulls (and a seal).
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack&Lois
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:00 PM
Subject: [bolger] Wanted: Micro aux. advice
Greetings Bolger community. Have not posted for a while but have kept tuned.
Sounds like inspiring projects are afoot. Someday (after launch and sea
trials) I'll post a chronicled history of the agonony and ecstasy of Micro
restoration. For now I'll say there's light at the end of the tunnel. In
fact that light is so bright I've started shopping for an outboard. I'd love
some advice from anyone in the Micro community or any expert on power to
weight physics, etc. I know Bolger suggest max. 5 hp for Micro, but I recall
the pictures of Peter's Micro armed with a Miami Vice proportioned motor. #1
choice would be a brand new 4 stroke 5 hp Honda or the equivilant, but
mega-multiple litres of epoxy and cloth have left resourses desperately
depleted. So I'm hoping to find something in the $500-700 (Can) range that
will be trusty enough for venturing out into the formidable tides of Fundy.
Motor make recommendations, what to be wary of, and max. reasonable power
are things I'd love to have feedback on. Also wonder about length of shaft.
Does Micro need a long shaft? I haven't cut out the motor opening on the new
transom yet, so that may be optional. Look forward to responces.
jeb, trying to come unglued in my solar workshop on the beckoning shores of
Fundy
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Why not the ubiquitous Sea Gull? Most are long shafts and designed for salt. Lot of "push" for the HP. Light and sooo simple and reliable that they had become the standard of the Britt sail community. Can be had on ebay for a few hundred in good cond. Yeah, the oil slick might be a thing for some, and I hear the put-putt can be louder than a nice four-stroke but, what -the-heck, what do you want for the price of a New York weekend?
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Lenihan
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 3:15 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Wanted: Micro aux. advice
Hi Jack,
Good to hear from you again! Four strokes ARE nice but if the
budget says "no-way",so be it. The photo of Lestat with that monster
on the transom was during a film shoot which required Lestat to
navigate rapids on a quick moving Laurentian river.
The normal power plant on Lestat is a Mercury 5hp which handles
the St.Lawrence river well.Not fast,but well.Do keep in mind the
relative hull speed of a Micro and you will not be disappointed.
If the outboard motor mount is as per plans,then no long shaft
is needed.However,if you find a real deal on one,no harm will come
from it since even a long shaft outboard(in the hp range we are
talking about) will not likely exceed the depth of the keel thus
keeping the prop protected.
Since the outboard opening has yet to be cut, you may wish to
consider doing your transom with an open top,like on Lestat.This will
require that you install a mainsheet horse traveller but give you the
chance to engage the full up tilt feature on most small
outboards.Otherwise,the opening per plan is just a wee bit too
short,even for the Merc 5hp(Bolger liked my idea very much when he
visited Lestat in '93 and saw no harm in opening up the cutout)
which will leave you dragging the prop through the water when
sailing. If you are planning on keeping your Micro in the water
throughout the summer months,salt corrosion on the lower unit may
also help to convince you that you need to get the motor completely
out of the water when not in use.
I can't really advise on the"best" outboard to buy since my only
experience is with the Merc.5hp. I can say that she has always
started when I neded her to and has never let me down.
Hopefully,others with more outboard experience will chime in
with useful info for you to sink your teeth into while you envision
some grand sailing out on the Bay!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, just back from my boatshop in the boonies and feeling
all primed for a very busy fun filled summer-o-building,hard on the
shores of the St.Lawrence............
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jack&Lois" <jalo@i...> wrote:
> Greetings Bolger community. Have not posted for a while but have
kept tuned.
> Sounds like inspiring projects are afoot. Someday (after launch and
sea
> trials) I'll post a chronicled history of the agonony and ecstasy
of Micro
> restoration. For now I'll say there's light at the end of the
tunnel. In
> fact that light is so bright I've started shopping for an outboard.
I'd love
> some advice from anyone in the Micro community or any expert on
power to
> weight physics, etc. I know Bolger suggest max. 5 hp for Micro, but
I recall
> the pictures of Peter's Micro armed with a Miami Vice proportioned
motor. #1
> choice would be a brand new 4 stroke 5 hp Honda or the equivilant,
but
> mega-multiple litres of epoxy and cloth have left resourses
desperately
> depleted. So I'm hoping to find something in the $500-700 (Can)
range that
> will be trusty enough for venturing out into the formidable tides
of Fundy.
> Motor make recommendations, what to be wary of, and max. reasonable
power
> are things I'd love to have feedback on. Also wonder about length
of shaft.
> Does Micro need a long shaft? I haven't cut out the motor opening
on the new
> transom yet, so that may be optional. Look forward to responces.
>
> jeb, trying to come unglued in my solar workshop on the beckoning
shores of
> Fundy
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Nissan/Tohatsu 4-stroke, 6hp long shaft.
http://www.marine-outboards.com/
A bit above your price range, but well worth the extra.
Starts every time, quite, barely sips gas, and has enough power to push you handily against the wind.
Cruise at 5 knots on barely 1/4 throttle for long engine life.
Don't get the high thrust prop, it makes no detectable difference.
http://www.marine-outboards.com/
A bit above your price range, but well worth the extra.
Starts every time, quite, barely sips gas, and has enough power to push you handily against the wind.
Cruise at 5 knots on barely 1/4 throttle for long engine life.
Don't get the high thrust prop, it makes no detectable difference.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack&Lois" <jalo@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:00 PM
Subject: [bolger] Wanted: Micro aux. advice
> Greetings Bolger community. Have not posted for a while but have kept tuned.
> Sounds like inspiring projects are afoot. Someday (after launch and sea
> trials) I'll post a chronicled history of the agonony and ecstasy of Micro
> restoration. For now I'll say there's light at the end of the tunnel. In
> fact that light is so bright I've started shopping for an outboard. I'd love
> some advice from anyone in the Micro community or any expert on power to
> weight physics, etc. I know Bolger suggest max. 5 hp for Micro, but I recall
> the pictures of Peter's Micro armed with a Miami Vice proportioned motor. #1
> choice would be a brand new 4 stroke 5 hp Honda or the equivilant, but
> mega-multiple litres of epoxy and cloth have left resourses desperately
> depleted. So I'm hoping to find something in the $500-700 (Can) range that
> will be trusty enough for venturing out into the formidable tides of Fundy.
> Motor make recommendations, what to be wary of, and max. reasonable power
> are things I'd love to have feedback on. Also wonder about length of shaft.
> Does Micro need a long shaft? I haven't cut out the motor opening on the new
> transom yet, so that may be optional. Look forward to responces.
>
> jeb, trying to come unglued in my solar workshop on the beckoning shores of
> Fundy
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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