Re: PL Premium 1 part construction glue???
oh boy, PL makes many glues that come in tubes. Polyurathane
construction type and just construction glue are just 2. I think some
one could build a boat in less time than it takes to talk about
glue.
J.
construction type and just construction glue are just 2. I think some
one could build a boat in less time than it takes to talk about
glue.
J.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
> I was referring to the PL Premium Construction Adhesive in the
Black
> and Yellow tube. At the end of the supply trail that we are at, the
cost
> is less. Ease of use is no comparison. There are some things that
Epoxy
> is just to good at to not use, but I avoid it if I can, just
because it
> is such a pain. Great grammar in the previous sentence, I am glad
I am
> not married to an English teacher.
>
> HJ
>
> >I'm unclear what product you are refering to? Around here PL
Premuim
> >Polyurethane Construction Adhesive (comes in a tube) is more
expensive
> >per ounce than brand name epoxies. I've used it in glue and nail
> >construction for ease of use, but I won't use it to replace epoxy
in
> >filleting applications.
> >
> >Or are you refering to PL Premium Wood Glue? (In a bottle), OSI
Sealants
> >does not use the word "construction" in the label. I've never used
this
> >product. I assume your using it as a glue? So again no fillets??
What's
> >it cost per ounce?
> >
> >Not trying to start a glue war, just trying to identify who is
using
> >what for what.....
> >
> >OSI Sealants PL Adhesive website for ID purposes;
> >http://www.stickwithpl.com/PL/PL_brands.htm
> >
> >Rick
> >
> >
> >
I was referring to the PL Premium Construction Adhesive in the Black
and Yellow tube. At the end of the supply trail that we are at, the cost
is less. Ease of use is no comparison. There are some things that Epoxy
is just to good at to not use, but I avoid it if I can, just because it
is such a pain. Great grammar in the previous sentence, I am glad I am
not married to an English teacher.
HJ
and Yellow tube. At the end of the supply trail that we are at, the cost
is less. Ease of use is no comparison. There are some things that Epoxy
is just to good at to not use, but I avoid it if I can, just because it
is such a pain. Great grammar in the previous sentence, I am glad I am
not married to an English teacher.
HJ
>I'm unclear what product you are refering to? Around here PL Premuim
>Polyurethane Construction Adhesive (comes in a tube) is more expensive
>per ounce than brand name epoxies. I've used it in glue and nail
>construction for ease of use, but I won't use it to replace epoxy in
>filleting applications.
>
>Or are you refering to PL Premium Wood Glue? (In a bottle), OSI Sealants
>does not use the word "construction" in the label. I've never used this
>product. I assume your using it as a glue? So again no fillets?? What's
>it cost per ounce?
>
>Not trying to start a glue war, just trying to identify who is using
>what for what.....
>
>OSI Sealants PL Adhesive website for ID purposes;
>http://www.stickwithpl.com/PL/PL_brands.htm
>
>Rick
>
>
>
I am also against glue wars. PL polyurathane is about 3.50 at tube I
think, 5200 is about 12.00. also PL can be gotten in large tubes,
that brings the price down even farther. It goes a lot farther than
epoxy. and with a wood chine log and galvi or stainless ring nails is
very strong. I pesonaly dont care what people use, but I am alway
looking for a less expensive way of bulding that will result in a
quality product. There are new construction adheasives out that are
made for out door decks and will work when material is wet, that mite
work to. And if you are going to seal and cover the out side with
epoxy and glass, you mite verwell not need glue at all, Just
mechanical fastners, mabey thats to far. J--- In
bolger@yahoogroups.com, sctree <sctree@d...> wrote:
think, 5200 is about 12.00. also PL can be gotten in large tubes,
that brings the price down even farther. It goes a lot farther than
epoxy. and with a wood chine log and galvi or stainless ring nails is
very strong. I pesonaly dont care what people use, but I am alway
looking for a less expensive way of bulding that will result in a
quality product. There are new construction adheasives out that are
made for out door decks and will work when material is wet, that mite
work to. And if you are going to seal and cover the out side with
epoxy and glass, you mite verwell not need glue at all, Just
mechanical fastners, mabey thats to far. J--- In
bolger@yahoogroups.com, sctree <sctree@d...> wrote:
>Premuim
>
> jakeman19652002 wrote:
>
> > It is nice to see that folks are using good cheap waterproof glues
> > other than epoxy.
>
> I'm unclear what product you are refering to? Around here PL
> Polyurethane Construction Adhesive (comes in a tube) is moreexpensive
> per ounce than brand name epoxies. I've used it in glue and nailin
> construction for ease of use, but I won't use it to replace epoxy
> filleting applications.Sealants
>
> Or are you refering to PL Premium Wood Glue? (In a bottle), OSI
> does not use the word "construction" in the label. I've never usedthis
> product. I assume your using it as a glue? So again no fillets??What's
> it cost per ounce?using
>
> Not trying to start a glue war, just trying to identify who is
> what for what.....
>
> OSI Sealants PL Adhesive website for ID purposes;
>http://www.stickwithpl.com/PL/PL_brands.htm
>
> Rick
The PL Premium is indeed used for the fillets on that Wacky Lassie to
allow the fiberglass tape to make less than a 90 degree turn.
However, the tape is imbedded and coated with epoxy. An excellent
compromise in my opinion. Anyone that is interested in using PL
Premium should look at www.simplicityboats.com and click on the
Alternative Methods link.
allow the fiberglass tape to make less than a 90 degree turn.
However, the tape is imbedded and coated with epoxy. An excellent
compromise in my opinion. Anyone that is interested in using PL
Premium should look at www.simplicityboats.com and click on the
Alternative Methods link.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
> Check out Fritz Funks whacky lassie at
>
>http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Wacky_Lassie/Wacky_Lassie.htm
>
> In the construction photos you can see he uses PL premium on the
inside
> of the chines with tape imbedded. I just walked down the block and
took
> a look (quietly as it is 0630 on Sun morning and I didn't want to
wake
> up Bingo the Guard dog) and it is holding together pefectly. The
house
> paint is holding up well also after 4 yrs.
>
> HJ
>
> jakeman19652002 wrote:
>
> >A while back a guy was blown out off the water for making these
> >claims. Jake.--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, C O'Donnell
> ><dadadata@f...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>However, would builders think that gluing with water
> >>>activated poly urethane, or 1 part PL premium polyurethane would
be
> >>>good for gluing upper structure wood that will be waterproofed
with
> >>>polyester resin? Both epoxy and polyester are pretty toxic for
me
> >>>
> >>>
> >and
> >
> >
> >>>I want to avoid them when possible.
> >>>
> >>>Does anyone know if exposure of polyurethane to polyester or to
> >>>
> >>>
> >epoxy
> >
> >
> >>>will eventually degrade any of the 3 in the way that for example
> >>>polyester will degrade blue builder's foam??
> >>>
> >>>
> >>It should work fine. Epoxy or polyester should not affect cured
> >>polyurethane. I know epoxy won't <chuckle>. PL can be used for
> >>anything but fillets, though there are also people who are using
it
> >>for fillets and apparently, also, for chine taping by thinning
it,
> >>applying it, and then smoothing it down after a few hours by
means
> >>
> >>
> >of
> >
> >
> >>a wide putty knife (pressing down, I assume).
> >>
> >>I'm nto making that up, it's been discussed on Gavin Atkin's
> >>MouseBoats group. I would not use it for that purpose, but I've
> >>
> >>
> >used
> >
> >
> >>it extensively in rehabbing my Birdwatcher. Much better in many
> >>circumstances than epoxy.
> >>
> >>I have used it to laminate 3 layers of 1/2" marine ply for the
mast
> >>step. We'll see how it holds up in this application. It seemed
like
> >>
> >>
> >a
> >
> >
> >>good, tough practical test.
> >>---
> >>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by friend.ly.net.]
> >>
> >>
jakeman19652002 wrote:
Polyurethane Construction Adhesive (comes in a tube) is more expensive
per ounce than brand name epoxies. I've used it in glue and nail
construction for ease of use, but I won't use it to replace epoxy in
filleting applications.
Or are you refering to PL Premium Wood Glue? (In a bottle), OSI Sealants
does not use the word "construction" in the label. I've never used this
product. I assume your using it as a glue? So again no fillets?? What's
it cost per ounce?
Not trying to start a glue war, just trying to identify who is using
what for what.....
OSI Sealants PL Adhesive website for ID purposes;
http://www.stickwithpl.com/PL/PL_brands.htm
Rick
> It is nice to see that folks are using good cheap waterproof gluesI'm unclear what product you are refering to? Around here PL Premuim
> other than epoxy.
Polyurethane Construction Adhesive (comes in a tube) is more expensive
per ounce than brand name epoxies. I've used it in glue and nail
construction for ease of use, but I won't use it to replace epoxy in
filleting applications.
Or are you refering to PL Premium Wood Glue? (In a bottle), OSI Sealants
does not use the word "construction" in the label. I've never used this
product. I assume your using it as a glue? So again no fillets?? What's
it cost per ounce?
Not trying to start a glue war, just trying to identify who is using
what for what.....
OSI Sealants PL Adhesive website for ID purposes;
http://www.stickwithpl.com/PL/PL_brands.htm
Rick
It is nice to see that folks are using good cheap waterproof glues
other than epoxy. I see no reason why a good usefull boat cannot be
build with out costing alot. when you get to a point that it costs as
much for the epoxy as the combined cost of all the other material, it
is getting nuts, and I know nuts. Jake --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com,
Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
other than epoxy. I see no reason why a good usefull boat cannot be
build with out costing alot. when you get to a point that it costs as
much for the epoxy as the combined cost of all the other material, it
is getting nuts, and I know nuts. Jake --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com,
Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
> Check out Fritz Funks whacky lassie atinside
>
>http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Wacky_Lassie/Wacky_Lassie.htm
>
> In the construction photos you can see he uses PL premium on the
> of the chines with tape imbedded. I just walked down the block andtook
> a look (quietly as it is 0630 on Sun morning and I didn't want towake
> up Bingo the Guard dog) and it is holding together pefectly. Thehouse
> paint is holding up well also after 4 yrs.be
>
> HJ
>
> jakeman19652002 wrote:
>
> >A while back a guy was blown out off the water for making these
> >claims. Jake.--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, C O'Donnell
> ><dadadata@f...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>However, would builders think that gluing with water
> >>>activated poly urethane, or 1 part PL premium polyurethane would
> >>>good for gluing upper structure wood that will be waterproofedwith
> >>>polyester resin? Both epoxy and polyester are pretty toxic forme
> >>>it
> >>>
> >and
> >
> >
> >>>I want to avoid them when possible.
> >>>
> >>>Does anyone know if exposure of polyurethane to polyester or to
> >>>
> >>>
> >epoxy
> >
> >
> >>>will eventually degrade any of the 3 in the way that for example
> >>>polyester will degrade blue builder's foam??
> >>>
> >>>
> >>It should work fine. Epoxy or polyester should not affect cured
> >>polyurethane. I know epoxy won't <chuckle>. PL can be used for
> >>anything but fillets, though there are also people who are using
> >>for fillets and apparently, also, for chine taping by thinningit,
> >>applying it, and then smoothing it down after a few hours bymeans
> >>mast
> >>
> >of
> >
> >
> >>a wide putty knife (pressing down, I assume).
> >>
> >>I'm nto making that up, it's been discussed on Gavin Atkin's
> >>MouseBoats group. I would not use it for that purpose, but I've
> >>
> >>
> >used
> >
> >
> >>it extensively in rehabbing my Birdwatcher. Much better in many
> >>circumstances than epoxy.
> >>
> >>I have used it to laminate 3 layers of 1/2" marine ply for the
> >>step. We'll see how it holds up in this application. It seemedlike
> >>
> >>
> >a
> >
> >
> >>good, tough practical test.
> >>---
> >>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by friend.ly.net.]
> >>
> >>
Check out Fritz Funks whacky lassie at
http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Wacky_Lassie/Wacky_Lassie.htm
In the construction photos you can see he uses PL premium on the inside
of the chines with tape imbedded. I just walked down the block and took
a look (quietly as it is 0630 on Sun morning and I didn't want to wake
up Bingo the Guard dog) and it is holding together pefectly. The house
paint is holding up well also after 4 yrs.
HJ
jakeman19652002 wrote:
http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Wacky_Lassie/Wacky_Lassie.htm
In the construction photos you can see he uses PL premium on the inside
of the chines with tape imbedded. I just walked down the block and took
a look (quietly as it is 0630 on Sun morning and I didn't want to wake
up Bingo the Guard dog) and it is holding together pefectly. The house
paint is holding up well also after 4 yrs.
HJ
jakeman19652002 wrote:
>A while back a guy was blown out off the water for making these
>claims. Jake.--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, C O'Donnell
><dadadata@f...> wrote:
>
>
>>>However, would builders think that gluing with water
>>>activated poly urethane, or 1 part PL premium polyurethane would be
>>>good for gluing upper structure wood that will be waterproofed with
>>>polyester resin? Both epoxy and polyester are pretty toxic for me
>>>
>>>
>and
>
>
>>>I want to avoid them when possible.
>>>
>>>Does anyone know if exposure of polyurethane to polyester or to
>>>
>>>
>epoxy
>
>
>>>will eventually degrade any of the 3 in the way that for example
>>>polyester will degrade blue builder's foam??
>>>
>>>
>>It should work fine. Epoxy or polyester should not affect cured
>>polyurethane. I know epoxy won't <chuckle>. PL can be used for
>>anything but fillets, though there are also people who are using it
>>for fillets and apparently, also, for chine taping by thinning it,
>>applying it, and then smoothing it down after a few hours by means
>>
>>
>of
>
>
>>a wide putty knife (pressing down, I assume).
>>
>>I'm nto making that up, it's been discussed on Gavin Atkin's
>>MouseBoats group. I would not use it for that purpose, but I've
>>
>>
>used
>
>
>>it extensively in rehabbing my Birdwatcher. Much better in many
>>circumstances than epoxy.
>>
>>I have used it to laminate 3 layers of 1/2" marine ply for the mast
>>step. We'll see how it holds up in this application. It seemed like
>>
>>
>a
>
>
>>good, tough practical test.
>>---
>>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by friend.ly.net.]
>>
>>
Hey Craig,
Don't forget to mention that the mouseboat chines were taped with drywall
screen tape with PL Concrete smeared over the tape. Apparently, it works
rather well, although reports are it's somewhat rubbery and hard to
sand.....
David "Been blown out of the water before in better joints than this"
Romasco
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From: C O'Donnell [mailto:dadadata@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 12:54 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: PL Premium 1 part construction glue???
not selling PL. I'm not sure what "blown out off the water" is, but
it sounds like less fun than sailing <chuckle>.
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rather well, although reports are it's somewhat rubbery and hard to
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From: C O'Donnell [mailto:dadadata@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 12:54 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: PL Premium 1 part construction glue???
>A while back a guy was blown out off the water for making theseI'm only telling you what has been said in the mouseboats group. I'm
>claims. Jake.
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>A while back a guy was blown out off the water for making theseI'm only telling you what has been said in the mouseboats group. I'm
>claims. Jake.
not selling PL. I'm not sure what "blown out off the water" is, but
it sounds like less fun than sailing <chuckle>.
---
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A while back a guy was blown out off the water for making these
claims. Jake.--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, C O'Donnell
<dadadata@f...> wrote:
claims. Jake.--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, C O'Donnell
<dadadata@f...> wrote:
> >However, would builders think that gluing with waterand
> >activated poly urethane, or 1 part PL premium polyurethane would be
> >good for gluing upper structure wood that will be waterproofed with
> >polyester resin? Both epoxy and polyester are pretty toxic for me
> >I want to avoid them when possible.epoxy
> >
> >Does anyone know if exposure of polyurethane to polyester or to
> >will eventually degrade any of the 3 in the way that for exampleof
> >polyester will degrade blue builder's foam??
>
> It should work fine. Epoxy or polyester should not affect cured
> polyurethane. I know epoxy won't <chuckle>. PL can be used for
> anything but fillets, though there are also people who are using it
> for fillets and apparently, also, for chine taping by thinning it,
> applying it, and then smoothing it down after a few hours by means
> a wide putty knife (pressing down, I assume).used
>
> I'm nto making that up, it's been discussed on Gavin Atkin's
> MouseBoats group. I would not use it for that purpose, but I've
> it extensively in rehabbing my Birdwatcher. Much better in manya
> circumstances than epoxy.
>
> I have used it to laminate 3 layers of 1/2" marine ply for the mast
> step. We'll see how it holds up in this application. It seemed like
> good, tough practical test.
> ---
> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by friend.ly.net.]
>However, would builders think that gluing with waterIt should work fine. Epoxy or polyester should not affect cured
>activated poly urethane, or 1 part PL premium polyurethane would be
>good for gluing upper structure wood that will be waterproofed with
>polyester resin? Both epoxy and polyester are pretty toxic for me and
>I want to avoid them when possible.
>
>Does anyone know if exposure of polyurethane to polyester or to epoxy
>will eventually degrade any of the 3 in the way that for example
>polyester will degrade blue builder's foam??
polyurethane. I know epoxy won't <chuckle>. PL can be used for
anything but fillets, though there are also people who are using it
for fillets and apparently, also, for chine taping by thinning it,
applying it, and then smoothing it down after a few hours by means of
a wide putty knife (pressing down, I assume).
I'm nto making that up, it's been discussed on Gavin Atkin's
MouseBoats group. I would not use it for that purpose, but I've used
it extensively in rehabbing my Birdwatcher. Much better in many
circumstances than epoxy.
I have used it to laminate 3 layers of 1/2" marine ply for the mast
step. We'll see how it holds up in this application. It seemed like a
good, tough practical test.
---
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Builders,
My wood/wood gluing tests show that a PL Premium Construction glue
joint is usually stronger than the wood it joins while Liquid Nails
is much weaker. I do think 2 part long time drying epoxy is best for
gluing the hull? However, would builders think that gluing with water
activated poly urethane, or 1 part PL premium polyurethane would be
good for gluing upper structure wood that will be waterproofed with
polyester resin? Both epoxy and polyester are pretty toxic for me and
I want to avoid them when possible.
Does anyone know if exposure of polyurethane to polyester or to epoxy
will eventually degrade any of the 3 in the way that for example
polyester will degrade blue builder's foam??
Thanks,
Bill Shamblin
My wood/wood gluing tests show that a PL Premium Construction glue
joint is usually stronger than the wood it joins while Liquid Nails
is much weaker. I do think 2 part long time drying epoxy is best for
gluing the hull? However, would builders think that gluing with water
activated poly urethane, or 1 part PL premium polyurethane would be
good for gluing upper structure wood that will be waterproofed with
polyester resin? Both epoxy and polyester are pretty toxic for me and
I want to avoid them when possible.
Does anyone know if exposure of polyurethane to polyester or to epoxy
will eventually degrade any of the 3 in the way that for example
polyester will degrade blue builder's foam??
Thanks,
Bill Shamblin