RE: [bolger] RE: Re: Was Teal Buttstrapping, now a plethora of decisions....
Ah Lincoln, I know my tastes and preferences well. I've used plastic,
galvanized, bronze and a brief fling with thole pins; plastic is only
suitable for children, and I'll take either galvanized or bronze, though I
prefer the look of bronze. I was indulging in a bit of levity over the
broad sea of choices that face every builder. I quite agree that none of
them are worth getting hung up on, and it's a rare boat of any type or
material that fails to give pleasure. As for my free time, right now I'm in
the shop abuilding. See you out there!
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: Lincoln Ross [mailto:lincolnr@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:45 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] RE: Re: Was Teal Buttstrapping, now a plethora of
decisions....
Just give up and use the plain zinc Perco horned ones. They work fine,
they're cheap, and by the time they corrode away you'll know what your
tastes are, except maybe around lots of warm and/or salt water I guess.
Or at least mine are still alive after a couple of years. At this time
of year, at least in the Northern Hemisphere, the main point is to get
on the water ASAP.
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galvanized, bronze and a brief fling with thole pins; plastic is only
suitable for children, and I'll take either galvanized or bronze, though I
prefer the look of bronze. I was indulging in a bit of levity over the
broad sea of choices that face every builder. I quite agree that none of
them are worth getting hung up on, and it's a rare boat of any type or
material that fails to give pleasure. As for my free time, right now I'm in
the shop abuilding. See you out there!
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: Lincoln Ross [mailto:lincolnr@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:45 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] RE: Re: Was Teal Buttstrapping, now a plethora of
decisions....
Just give up and use the plain zinc Perco horned ones. They work fine,
they're cheap, and by the time they corrode away you'll know what your
tastes are, except maybe around lots of warm and/or salt water I guess.
Or at least mine are still alive after a couple of years. At this time
of year, at least in the Northern Hemisphere, the main point is to get
on the water ASAP.
>David Romasco wrote:Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
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>Where should they be located? Angled or vertical? Ring or horned? Captive
>or removable? If horned, should they be Bolger's asymmetric pattern? Or...
>should thole pins and a grommet be used instead? Arrggghhhhh!
>
>Did I mention oar length? Handle type? Tip protection? Or........
>
>David "So many opportunities, so little common sense" Romasco
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Ah Peter...."stems, angles"....methinks definitely closely fitted
crushed velvet burgundy curtains for Windermere!
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...>
wrote:
crushed velvet burgundy curtains for Windermere!
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...>
wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@p...> wrote:about
> > I wouldn't have thought it possible to have 2000 posts on Teal
> > buttstraps, but there you go! :-)
> > DonB
>
>
> Don,
> The possiblilties are endless! Just wait until the postings
> the stem(s) and their angles.....heeeeeeeeehaaaaaaa! ;-)
>
> Peter Lenihan
Just give up and use the plain zinc Perco horned ones. They work fine,
they're cheap, and by the time they corrode away you'll know what your
tastes are, except maybe around lots of warm and/or salt water I guess.
Or at least mine are still alive after a couple of years. At this time
of year, at least in the Northern Hemisphere, the main point is to get
on the water ASAP.
they're cheap, and by the time they corrode away you'll know what your
tastes are, except maybe around lots of warm and/or salt water I guess.
Or at least mine are still alive after a couple of years. At this time
of year, at least in the Northern Hemisphere, the main point is to get
on the water ASAP.
>David Romasco wrote:
>
>Where should they be located? Angled or vertical? Ring or horned? Captive
>or removable? If horned, should they be Bolger's asymmetric pattern? Or...
>should thole pins and a grommet be used instead? Arrggghhhhh!
>
>Did I mention oar length? Handle type? Tip protection? Or........
>
>David "So many opportunities, so little common sense" Romasco
>
Well now, to be sure, the last time I bought a set of oarlocks, why, I just
picked the only pair in stock (counted myself lucky: they were bronze)! And
you're right, too much thinking cuts into beer time!
David R.
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan J. [mailto:aaar@...]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 8:01 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [bolger] Re: Was Teal Buttstrapping, now a plethora of
decisions....
Ahhhhhh Soooooo...
The only thing I agonised over was whether I could find
components cheaper anywhere else.
And the slight glitch that the 1/2" labelled socket
packet actually contained 7/16" sockets. Into which my
1/2" rowlocks didn't fit..... So I turned them down in a
'lekky drill clamped in a vise using a file.
The rest of that stuff.... too much thinking effort there!
cheers
Alan J.
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picked the only pair in stock (counted myself lucky: they were bronze)! And
you're right, too much thinking cuts into beer time!
David R.
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From: Alan J. [mailto:aaar@...]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 8:01 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [bolger] Re: Was Teal Buttstrapping, now a plethora of
decisions....
Ahhhhhh Soooooo...
The only thing I agonised over was whether I could find
components cheaper anywhere else.
And the slight glitch that the 1/2" labelled socket
packet actually contained 7/16" sockets. Into which my
1/2" rowlocks didn't fit..... So I turned them down in a
'lekky drill clamped in a vise using a file.
The rest of that stuff.... too much thinking effort there!
cheers
Alan J.
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Ahhhhhh Soooooo...
The only thing I agonised over was whether I could find
components cheaper anywhere else.
And the slight glitch that the 1/2" labelled socket
packet actually contained 7/16" sockets. Into which my
1/2" rowlocks didn't fit..... So I turned them down in a
'lekky drill clamped in a vise using a file.
The rest of that stuff.... too much thinking effort there!
cheers
Alan J.
The only thing I agonised over was whether I could find
components cheaper anywhere else.
And the slight glitch that the 1/2" labelled socket
packet actually contained 7/16" sockets. Into which my
1/2" rowlocks didn't fit..... So I turned them down in a
'lekky drill clamped in a vise using a file.
The rest of that stuff.... too much thinking effort there!
cheers
Alan J.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Romasco" <dromasco@...>
> Where should they be located? Angled or vertical? Ring or horned?
> Captiveor removable? If horned, should they be Bolger's
> asymmetric pattern? Or...
> should thole pins and a grommet be used instead? Arrggghhhhh!
>
> Did I mention oar length? Handle type? Tip protection? Or........
>
> David "So many opportunities, so little common sense" Romasco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: a & a julian [mailto:aaar@...]
>
> What oarlock quandary?! Did I fail to agonise over something?
Not local, but Jamestown Distributors sells vertical inset bases.
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: Harry James [mailto:welshman@...]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 12:07 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Teal Buttstrapping
Speaking of Oarlocks, anybody got a good source for them in the Pacific
NW? Near as I can figure we need about 18 of them. We need the ones that
go vertically into the rail not bolt on the sides.
HJ
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David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: Harry James [mailto:welshman@...]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 12:07 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Teal Buttstrapping
Speaking of Oarlocks, anybody got a good source for them in the Pacific
NW? Near as I can figure we need about 18 of them. We need the ones that
go vertically into the rail not bolt on the sides.
HJ
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Speaking of Oarlocks, anybody got a good source for them in the Pacific
NW? Near as I can figure we need about 18 of them. We need the ones that
go vertically into the rail not bolt on the sides.
HJ
a & a julian wrote:
NW? Near as I can figure we need about 18 of them. We need the ones that
go vertically into the rail not bolt on the sides.
HJ
a & a julian wrote:
>What oarlock quandary?! Did I fail to agonise over something?
>cheers
>Alan J.
>(it's nice to 'talk' Bolger boats to people who understand.....)
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Romasco" <dromasco@...>
>
>
>Not to mention the oarlock quandary!
>
>David Romasco
>
>--
>
Where should they be located? Angled or vertical? Ring or horned? Captive
or removable? If horned, should they be Bolger's asymmetric pattern? Or...
should thole pins and a grommet be used instead? Arrggghhhhh!
Did I mention oar length? Handle type? Tip protection? Or........
David "So many opportunities, so little common sense" Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: a & a julian [mailto:aaar@...]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:03 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Teal Buttstrapping
What oarlock quandary?! Did I fail to agonise over something?
cheers
Alan J.
(it's nice to 'talk' Bolger boats to people who understand.....)
or removable? If horned, should they be Bolger's asymmetric pattern? Or...
should thole pins and a grommet be used instead? Arrggghhhhh!
Did I mention oar length? Handle type? Tip protection? Or........
David "So many opportunities, so little common sense" Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: a & a julian [mailto:aaar@...]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:03 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Teal Buttstrapping
What oarlock quandary?! Did I fail to agonise over something?
cheers
Alan J.
(it's nice to 'talk' Bolger boats to people who understand.....)
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From: "David Romasco" <dromasco@...>
Not to mention the oarlock quandary!
David Romasco
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> Not to mention the oarlock quandary!I have not been able to rediscover the web site, but recently I was
> What oarlock quandary?! Did I fail to agonise over something?
reading online about a small boat crossing of the Atlantic. This was
possibly the voyage of Norman & Thomas in the Little Western in 1880-
81. The list of supplies included something like 175 thole pins.
I would have though that if breakages were that common, they might
have changed to a sturdier size.
Peter
What oarlock quandary?! Did I fail to agonise over something?
cheers
Alan J.
(it's nice to 'talk' Bolger boats to people who understand.....)
cheers
Alan J.
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From: "David Romasco" <dromasco@...>
Not to mention the oarlock quandary!
David Romasco
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From: Peter Lenihan [mailto:ellengaest@...]
The possiblilties are endless! Just wait until the postings about
the stem(s) and their angles.....heeeeeeeeehaaaaaaa! ;-)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, sctree <sctree@d...> wrote:
to accompany that crate of butt-straps, or at least I would certainly
go for the brochure with scantly clad models,à la "Price is
Right",languishing with half closed "come hither" eyes over a pile of
butt-straps....hmmmmmm......gotta be careful with my choice of
words,butt?.....straps?.........look out sailor!!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,...............along the shores of the St.Lawrence.....
>Waddya mean ONE .......:-)......several dozen and a 4 colour brochure
> Yup, by now coulda built one!
>
> Rick
to accompany that crate of butt-straps, or at least I would certainly
go for the brochure with scantly clad models,à la "Price is
Right",languishing with half closed "come hither" eyes over a pile of
butt-straps....hmmmmmm......gotta be careful with my choice of
words,butt?.....straps?.........look out sailor!!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,...............along the shores of the St.Lawrence.....
Not to mention the oarlock quandary!
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lenihan [mailto:ellengaest@...]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 8:40 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Teal Buttstrapping
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lenihan [mailto:ellengaest@...]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 8:40 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Teal Buttstrapping
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@p...> wrote:
> I wouldn't have thought it possible to have 2000 posts on Teal
> buttstraps, but there you go! :-)
> DonB
Don,
The possiblilties are endless! Just wait until the postings about
the stem(s) and their angles.....heeeeeeeeehaaaaaaa! ;-)
Peter Lenihan
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@p...> wrote:
The possiblilties are endless! Just wait until the postings about
the stem(s) and their angles.....heeeeeeeeehaaaaaaa! ;-)
Peter Lenihan
> I wouldn't have thought it possible to have 2000 posts on TealDon,
> buttstraps, but there you go! :-)
> DonB
The possiblilties are endless! Just wait until the postings about
the stem(s) and their angles.....heeeeeeeeehaaaaaaa! ;-)
Peter Lenihan
Need to be real specific in this thread.
How 'bout some _temporary cleats_ lined up just where the proper buttstrap edge would be?
Mark
RDChamberland wrote:
How 'bout some _temporary cleats_ lined up just where the proper buttstrap edge would be?
Mark
RDChamberland wrote:
>
> Disregarding all the structural foofarah, the buttstraps on the Teal
> have a function in the construction of the craft. The temporary frames
> are held in place by the (accurately placed) buttstraps. The frames
> define the shape of the hull. If you delete the buttstraps you need
> some other structures to keep the frames in place.
> Bob Chamberland
dbaldnz wrote:
Rick
> I wouldn't have thought it possible to have 2000 posts on TealYup, by now coulda built one!
> buttstraps, but there you go! :-)
> DonB
Rick
I wouldn't have thought it possible to have 2000 posts on Teal
buttstraps, but there you go! :-)
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "choochawaga" <soulinvictus@c...>
wrote:
buttstraps, but there you go! :-)
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "choochawaga" <soulinvictus@c...>
wrote:
> Oh.one
> I didn't know that this was thing Payson did.
> I just did it.
> So what are saying, I don't have to have wood buttstraps?
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
> > I should have read further before reading the replying to the
> previous
> > post. What you have done is called a Payson butt joint as he is
> ofplywood
> > the people who have popularized it. You use it in place of
> backlayers
> > up on butt joints. As the plywood gets thicker you need more
> ofis
> > cloth. One of the keys to fiberglas and epoxy stinking to wood
> toboat,
> > make sure the weave is filled.
> >
> > HJ
> >
> > choochawaga wrote:
> >
> > >So, I already have the inside and outside of the four joints
> > >connected with 4 oz fiberglass cloth and West System. And I'm
> also
> > >going to fiberglass and West System the whole outside of the
> > >sides and bottom. If I'm doing all that can I skip thebuttstraps?
> > >to
> > >The buttstraps are just for reinforcement?
> > >They are not going to be used for backing plates for something
> be
> > >screwed or nailed into and serve as stress absorbers?
> > >
> > >
Oh.
I didn't know that this was thing Payson did.
I just did it.
So what are saying, I don't have to have wood buttstraps?
I didn't know that this was thing Payson did.
I just did it.
So what are saying, I don't have to have wood buttstraps?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
> I should have read further before reading the replying to the
previous
> post. What you have done is called a Payson butt joint as he is one
of
> the people who have popularized it. You use it in place of plywood
back
> up on butt joints. As the plywood gets thicker you need more layers
of
> cloth. One of the keys to fiberglas and epoxy stinking to wood is
to
> make sure the weave is filled.
>
> HJ
>
> choochawaga wrote:
>
> >So, I already have the inside and outside of the four joints
> >connected with 4 oz fiberglass cloth and West System. And I'm
also
> >going to fiberglass and West System the whole outside of the boat,
> >sides and bottom. If I'm doing all that can I skip the buttstraps?
> >
> >The buttstraps are just for reinforcement?
> >They are not going to be used for backing plates for something to
be
> >screwed or nailed into and serve as stress absorbers?
> >
> >
Oh my God.
Thorazine, please.
Thorazine, please.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "RDChamberland" <cha62759@t...> wrote:
> Disregarding all the structural foofarah, the buttstraps on the Teal
> have a function in the construction of the craft. The temporary
frames
> are held in place by the (accurately placed) buttstraps. The frames
> define the shape of the hull. If you delete the buttstraps you need
> some other structures to keep the frames in place.
> Bob Chamberland
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "choochawaga" <soulinvictus@c...>
wrote:
> > So, I already have the inside and outside of the four joints
> > connected with 4 oz fiberglass cloth and West System. And I'm
also
> > going to fiberglass and West System the whole outside of the
boat,
> > sides and bottom. If I'm doing all that can I skip the
buttstraps?
> >
> > The buttstraps are just for reinforcement?
> > They are not going to be used for backing plates for something to
be
> > screwed or nailed into and serve as stress absorbers?
Disregarding all the structural foofarah, the buttstraps on the Teal
have a function in the construction of the craft. The temporary frames
are held in place by the (accurately placed) buttstraps. The frames
define the shape of the hull. If you delete the buttstraps you need
some other structures to keep the frames in place.
Bob Chamberland
have a function in the construction of the craft. The temporary frames
are held in place by the (accurately placed) buttstraps. The frames
define the shape of the hull. If you delete the buttstraps you need
some other structures to keep the frames in place.
Bob Chamberland
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "choochawaga" <soulinvictus@c...> wrote:
> So, I already have the inside and outside of the four joints
> connected with 4 oz fiberglass cloth and West System. And I'm also
> going to fiberglass and West System the whole outside of the boat,
> sides and bottom. If I'm doing all that can I skip the buttstraps?
>
> The buttstraps are just for reinforcement?
> They are not going to be used for backing plates for something to be
> screwed or nailed into and serve as stress absorbers?
I should have read further before reading the replying to the previous
post. What you have done is called a Payson butt joint as he is one of
the people who have popularized it. You use it in place of plywood back
up on butt joints. As the plywood gets thicker you need more layers of
cloth. One of the keys to fiberglas and epoxy stinking to wood is to
make sure the weave is filled.
HJ
choochawaga wrote:
post. What you have done is called a Payson butt joint as he is one of
the people who have popularized it. You use it in place of plywood back
up on butt joints. As the plywood gets thicker you need more layers of
cloth. One of the keys to fiberglas and epoxy stinking to wood is to
make sure the weave is filled.
HJ
choochawaga wrote:
>So, I already have the inside and outside of the four joints
>connected with 4 oz fiberglass cloth and West System. And I'm also
>going to fiberglass and West System the whole outside of the boat,
>sides and bottom. If I'm doing all that can I skip the buttstraps?
>
>The buttstraps are just for reinforcement?
>They are not going to be used for backing plates for something to be
>screwed or nailed into and serve as stress absorbers?
>
>
that is the best place to eliminate the buttstrap. but I would add
another layer of glass tape
J.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "choochawaga" <soulinvictus@c...>
wrote:
another layer of glass tape
J.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "choochawaga" <soulinvictus@c...>
wrote:
>the
> Also, I just saw that there is buttstrapping for the two bottom
> joints. I only have one joint because of utilizing the bottom from
> the Freatherwind that I was building. If that bottom joint is
> already 4 oz fiberglassed connected with West System inside and out
> and will have another treatment of 4 oz fiberglass cloth and West
> System on the outside will I be able to skip the buttstrapping on
> one bottom joint that I do have?boat,
>
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "choochawaga" <soulinvictus@c...>
> wrote:
> > So, I already have the inside and outside of the four joints
> > connected with 4 oz fiberglass cloth and West System. And I'm
> also
> > going to fiberglass and West System the whole outside of the
> > sides and bottom. If I'm doing all that can I skip thebuttstraps?
> >
> > The buttstraps are just for reinforcement?
> > They are not going to be used for backing plates for something to
> be
> > screwed or nailed into and serve as stress absorbers?
Plywood buttstraps are the quick and easy way to end join two panels of
plywood using scraps of the same plywood. They go inside the panels, to
be inside the boat. Sometimes they are used as areas to attach other
stuff. Using epoxy and cloth buttstraps inside and outside is a more
labor and material intensive way of joining two panels. Some like the
looks of ply buttblocks (like me), others want a "smoother" look. Either
way, the ultimate test is does the finished panel flex evenly like a
plain piece of the same plywood without snapping at the joint (or
showing a hard spot).
So go flex yours (gently at first), see how they bend. You can always
add an additional layer of epoxied cloth if the joint seems weak. If the
epoxy has cured and your adding more, first scrub with a Scotchbrite
type pad while running clean water over the surface to eliminate the
amine blush, then wait until it air dries. Others might say sand it for
better adhesion, which is probably unnecessary, but even if you do, wash
off the anmine blush first.
And post some photos!!!!!!!!
Rick
choochawaga wrote:
plywood using scraps of the same plywood. They go inside the panels, to
be inside the boat. Sometimes they are used as areas to attach other
stuff. Using epoxy and cloth buttstraps inside and outside is a more
labor and material intensive way of joining two panels. Some like the
looks of ply buttblocks (like me), others want a "smoother" look. Either
way, the ultimate test is does the finished panel flex evenly like a
plain piece of the same plywood without snapping at the joint (or
showing a hard spot).
So go flex yours (gently at first), see how they bend. You can always
add an additional layer of epoxied cloth if the joint seems weak. If the
epoxy has cured and your adding more, first scrub with a Scotchbrite
type pad while running clean water over the surface to eliminate the
amine blush, then wait until it air dries. Others might say sand it for
better adhesion, which is probably unnecessary, but even if you do, wash
off the anmine blush first.
And post some photos!!!!!!!!
Rick
choochawaga wrote:
> So, I already have the inside and outside of the four joints[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> connected with 4 oz fiberglass cloth and West System. And I'm also
> going to fiberglass and West System the whole outside of the boat,
> sides and bottom. If I'm doing all that can I skip the buttstraps?
>
> The buttstraps are just for reinforcement?
> They are not going to be used for backing plates for something to be
> screwed or nailed into and serve as stress absorbers?
Also, I just saw that there is buttstrapping for the two bottom
joints. I only have one joint because of utilizing the bottom from
the Freatherwind that I was building. If that bottom joint is
already 4 oz fiberglassed connected with West System inside and out
and will have another treatment of 4 oz fiberglass cloth and West
System on the outside will I be able to skip the buttstrapping on the
one bottom joint that I do have?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "choochawaga" <soulinvictus@c...>
wrote:
joints. I only have one joint because of utilizing the bottom from
the Freatherwind that I was building. If that bottom joint is
already 4 oz fiberglassed connected with West System inside and out
and will have another treatment of 4 oz fiberglass cloth and West
System on the outside will I be able to skip the buttstrapping on the
one bottom joint that I do have?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "choochawaga" <soulinvictus@c...>
wrote:
> So, I already have the inside and outside of the four jointsalso
> connected with 4 oz fiberglass cloth and West System. And I'm
> going to fiberglass and West System the whole outside of the boat,be
> sides and bottom. If I'm doing all that can I skip the buttstraps?
>
> The buttstraps are just for reinforcement?
> They are not going to be used for backing plates for something to
> screwed or nailed into and serve as stress absorbers?
So, I already have the inside and outside of the four joints
connected with 4 oz fiberglass cloth and West System. And I'm also
going to fiberglass and West System the whole outside of the boat,
sides and bottom. If I'm doing all that can I skip the buttstraps?
The buttstraps are just for reinforcement?
They are not going to be used for backing plates for something to be
screwed or nailed into and serve as stress absorbers?
connected with 4 oz fiberglass cloth and West System. And I'm also
going to fiberglass and West System the whole outside of the boat,
sides and bottom. If I'm doing all that can I skip the buttstraps?
The buttstraps are just for reinforcement?
They are not going to be used for backing plates for something to be
screwed or nailed into and serve as stress absorbers?