Re: Sneakeasy

Looks like my brother's boat just before the back end rises up and the boat goes on plane. Probably running at that intermediate speed (above displacement, but below planing) in order to get the picture?

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bill Howard <billh39@...> wrote:
>
> Looks overloaded and dragging her tail with four aboard, does she not?
>
> Bill
>
> > Photos of one here with 4 people aboard.
> >
> >
>http://www.psnw.com/~jmrudholm/sneakeasy.html
>
>
>
>
> >
>

Looks overloaded and dragging her tail with four aboard, does she not?

With four in the cockpit aft it appears to squat, with too much air under it forward. Suggests that it would trim look and run better with two.

Joe T

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
> Photos of one here with 4 people aboard.
>
>http://www.psnw.com/~jmrudholm/sneakeasy.html
>
> Gregg has built the ultimate sneak if facing rougher water.
>
>http://www.carlsondesign.com/sneakesy.html
>
> Nels
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Michael Stone <ibcnunabit@> wrote:
> >
> > To my recollectin there have been modifications with a child seat seat
> forward, but with the caveat that the weight there forward shouldn't
> exceed ~100 lbs or so.
> >
> > Mike S.
> >
>

Photos of one here with 4 people aboard.

http://www.psnw.com/~jmrudholm/sneakeasy.html

Gregg has built the ultimate sneak if facing rougher water.

http://www.carlsondesign.com/sneakesy.html

Nels

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Michael Stone <ibcnunabit@...> wrote:
>
> To my recollectin there have been modifications with a child seat seat
forward, but with the caveat that the weight there forward shouldn't
exceed ~100 lbs or so.
>
> Mike S.
>

To my recollectin there have been modifications with a child seat seat forward, but with the caveat that the weight there forward shouldn't exceed ~100 lbs or so.

Mike S.

Actually, in boats with an open mind, Bolger suggested you could add a cockpit in front of frame 4, if memory serves. So, yes, seats in front of the windshield, I also seem to remember these were for children. I've also seen people add a bench seat in front of the slop well (frame #10), so you could seat 4 adults in the regular cockpit, I don't know if Bolger said anything about doing that. Although a bench seat there with storage, or an ice chest, or both, underneath would be useful. Or get one of those large ice chest that have the optional seat cushion on top and just drop it in in front of frame 10. Maybe add a couple of straps to attach to the frame and floor boards, so it doesn't move if you've one of the fast versions?

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <tomoll@...> wrote:
>
> Bill - Two in the front, two in the back.
> Seriously though, a simple Google search for "Bolger Sneakeasy" will give results that show a number if different varieties of seating arrangements that have been built on the Sneakeasy platform, even one with a front cockpit ahead of the windscreen. Not sure if any of these are "approved" options.
> This was the first Bolger design I ever saw, and it is a constant temptation to build one. Very cool design, and there have been some very nice examples built.
> Tom
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bill Howard <billh39@> wrote:
> >
> > The plans for Sneakeasy show only two seats. But there appears to be a cockpit behind these two seats. Does the Sneakeasy carry four adults? If so, how?
> >
> > Bill Howard
> > Nellysford
> > On Aug 25, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Bryant O wrote:
> >
>

I've been trying to upload about 23 pics of this Sneakeasy in the pic section but haven't had any success. From what I can see/remember, the second set of seats are at the stern.

I'll try and get these pics up later.

Bryant

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bill Howard <billh39@...> wrote:
>
> The plans for Sneakeasy show only two seats. But there appears to be a cockpit behind these two seats. Does the Sneakeasy carry four adults? If so, how?
>
> Bill Howard
> Nellysford
> On Aug 25, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Bryant O wrote:
>
> > Nels, I think that's the one that was at the 2007 Kingston Messabout. I got some other pics someplace. Builder did a great job. BTW did you hear from Rene Vidmer? I got an email from him. He's halfway down the Mississippi.
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Wow, wow, wow!
> > >
> > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/album/700342403/pic/16765258\
> > > 90/view
> > >
> > > Nels
> > >
> >
> >
>

Thanks.

Bill - Two in the front, two in the back.
Seriously though, a simple Google search for "Bolger Sneakeasy" will give results that show a number if different varieties of seating arrangements that have been built on the Sneakeasy platform, even one with a front cockpit ahead of the windscreen. Not sure if any of these are "approved" options.
This was the first Bolger design I ever saw, and it is a constant temptation to build one. Very cool design, and there have been some very nice examples built.
Tom

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bill Howard <billh39@...> wrote:
>
> The plans for Sneakeasy show only two seats. But there appears to be a cockpit behind these two seats. Does the Sneakeasy carry four adults? If so, how?
>
> Bill Howard
> Nellysford
> On Aug 25, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Bryant O wrote:
>

The plans for Sneakeasy show only two seats.  But there appears to be a cockpit behind these two seats.  Does the Sneakeasy carry four adults?  If so, how?

Nels, I think that's the one that was at the 2007 Kingston Messabout. I got some other pics someplace. Builder did a great job. BTW did you hear from Rene Vidmer? I got an email from him. He's halfway down the Mississippi.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
> Wow, wow, wow!
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/album/700342403/pic/16765258\
> 90/view
>
> Nels
>

Wow, wow, wow!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/album/700342403/pic/16765258\
90/view

Nels

i would thanks Jon Kolb and Bruce Hallman for the book tip, i´ve
already purchased it and i expect that i can do it !!! sorry about my
poor english writing and hope that you can help me when i start to
built the sneakeasy.I have already cancel my name in another forum
because people doesnt have to much patient with a non fluent english
speaking...hope do you have!
thanks for now,
Rodrigo

Finally I managed to get my Sneakeasy finished and inspected. She'll be launched this weekend for trials. Possibly the first inboard Sneakeasy so trials she's going to need just see if what I have created and is functional!

This was a project of experimentation from the start. New building techniques, tools, 20hp inboard, kitchen rudder, etc.

Pictures after the weekend and then off to Lake Powell for the messabout.

Jeff


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I was just re-reading Bolger in BWAOM about
Sneakeasy, and he writes there that he: "once
designed a boat to ferry teams of sled dogs
alongshore in the Bering Sea"

Does anyone know more of that boat design?

=================================

On Wed, 26 May 2004 13:36:05 -0600, Jeff <boatbuilding@...> wrote:
> Last weekend I started the assembly of the two sections for my Sneakeasy.

Last weekend I started the assembly of the two sections for my Sneakeasy. The are a lot of new members on this site recently so for those of you unfamiliar with my project, I've built it in two pieces. There a couple of other strange things I'm doing to this Sneakeasy and it's all on my website if your interested.

I was pleasantly surprised how easy it was to get things lined up though until I get it flipped on it's side to finish the bottom seam, I won't know how well I did on getting the chine and sheer lines aligned properly. Even a 1/2" high or low at the bow can alter the looks a lot.

I have only the side panel seams epoxied & taped with 1/4 inch bolts running through the mated frames every 6 inches. It seems very strong with no movement noticeable as you lift and bounce at the bow. Once the bottom seam is done I have high confidence that the joint will be stronger than any other section of the boat.

I'll update my website after this holiday weekend with some photos.

Jeff
http://www.4dw.net/cosailor




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Actually I'm installing a "Kitchen Rudder" which should provide full
variable speeds from full ahead to full reverse with a single lever. The
engine throttle need not be used unless a steady slow speed is wanted to
reduce fuel consumption. On docking and close in maneuvers the engine would
be throttled up to provide solid thrust ability. The "Kitchen Rudder" can
provide nearly 270 degrees of thrust.

Of course this is all theory since I've never operated one or even viewed
one in action. Top speed on the Sneakeasy with the 20hp will be reduced due
to the drag of the appendage but I'm hoping for the same speed as a 15HP
outboard would provide.

I'm doing this for experimentation and fun. When it's all over, the
Sneakeasy will be converted back to an outboard design and the Kawasaki
engine will run a generator for the Wyo.

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "tysond99" <tysond99@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 9:55 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Sneakeasy


> Jeff, I must add thay like you find on Chesapeake clamming boats
> sometimes I would be tempted to use hydraulics to drive the prop
> (just like the John Deer 725 mower we had). This way you can adjust
> prop speed withou touching the trottle....great for docking!
>
> Don
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Blunck" <boatbuilding@g...>
> wrote:
> > It's liquid cooled. I believe they are common in the John Deere
> yard
> > tractors and a number of RV style generators. I purchased mine on
> line from
> > a dealer who had several excess replacement engines at about 50%
> discount
> > from new. I can provide his email if anyone wishes to email me
> privately.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "tysond99" <tysond99@y...>
> > To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:41 PM
> > Subject: [bolger] Re: Sneakeasy
> >
> >
> > > Jeff, What type of engine is this Kawasaki........air cooled,
> liquid
> > > cooled, where'd you get it?
> > > Don
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Rund" <trund1024@y...> wrote:
> > > > Jeff,
> > > >
> > > > Have you considered changing the drake tail stern to a slipper
> > > launch
> > > > style stern? The inboard power you're using would make this
> > > possible.
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <boatbuilding@g...>
> wrote:
> > > > > There has been considerable talk about small inboard engines
> > > > lately. I'm planning on getting started mounting my 20 HP, 2
> > > > cylinder Kawasaki motor in the Sneakeasy this weekend. I have
> 6'
> > > > prop shaft, propeller, u-joint, and cutlass bearing ready to be
> > > > fitted from BeaverTail Motors. They're great to work with and
> had
> > > no
> > > > problems custom fitting a U-Joint to fit the Kawasaki for
> $15.00
> > > > additional charge.
> > > > >
> > > > > The way it's looking, I'll have an enclosed engine bay behind
> > > the
> > > > front seat and will be converting the splash well to a rear
> seat
> > > > area. The engine bay will be enclosed with blowers to keep
> things
> > > > cooled and the exhaust will be well wrapped to keep the heat
> > > > contained and will exit out the bottom following the prop shaft
> > > out
> > > > the back of the boat.
> > > > >
> > > > > I started forming the clam shells for the Kitchen Rudder
> from 6
> > > > layers of 8 ounce carbon fiber cloth and then wrapped in 4
> layers
> > > of
> > > > 8 oz. fiberglass. I used a large plastic bucket for my mold
> since
> > > > the 9 inch propeller fit's perfectly inside. Next will be to
> > > split
> > > > the "molded pipe" so to speak and cut the clam shells to shape.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is strictly a project to test several types of "Kitchen
> > > > Rudders" out there with a model of the Wyoming. I have always
> > > been
> > > > unconventional in thinking about boat building and this just
> > > seemed
> > > > like a fun project. I'll post more pictures on my website
> after
> > > the
> > > > weekend.
> > > > >
> > > > > April brings outdoor boat building near so I must get the
> > > Sneakeasy
> > > > done and launched by May to get started on the last section of
> the
> > > > Wyoming.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff
> > > > > www.4dw.net/cosailor
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bolger rules!!!
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Jeff, I must add thay like you find on Chesapeake clamming boats
sometimes I would be tempted to use hydraulics to drive the prop
(just like the John Deer 725 mower we had). This way you can adjust
prop speed withou touching the trottle....great for docking!

Don

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Blunck" <boatbuilding@g...>
wrote:

> It's liquid cooled. I believe they are common in the John Deere

yard

> tractors and a number of RV style generators. I purchased mine on

line from

> a dealer who had several excess replacement engines at about 50%

discount

> from new. I can provide his email if anyone wishes to email me

privately.

>
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tysond99" <tysond99@y...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:41 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Sneakeasy
>
>
> > Jeff, What type of engine is this Kawasaki........air cooled,

liquid

> > cooled, where'd you get it?
> > Don
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Rund" <trund1024@y...> wrote:
> > > Jeff,
> > >
> > > Have you considered changing the drake tail stern to a slipper
> > launch
> > > style stern? The inboard power you're using would make this
> > possible.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <boatbuilding@g...>

wrote:

> > > > There has been considerable talk about small inboard engines
> > > lately. I'm planning on getting started mounting my 20 HP, 2
> > > cylinder Kawasaki motor in the Sneakeasy this weekend. I have

6'

> > > prop shaft, propeller, u-joint, and cutlass bearing ready to be
> > > fitted from BeaverTail Motors. They're great to work with and

had

> > no
> > > problems custom fitting a U-Joint to fit the Kawasaki for

$15.00

> > > additional charge.
> > > >
> > > > The way it's looking, I'll have an enclosed engine bay behind
> > the
> > > front seat and will be converting the splash well to a rear

seat

> > > area. The engine bay will be enclosed with blowers to keep

things

> > > cooled and the exhaust will be well wrapped to keep the heat
> > > contained and will exit out the bottom following the prop shaft
> > out
> > > the back of the boat.
> > > >
> > > > I started forming the clam shells for the Kitchen Rudder

from 6

> > > layers of 8 ounce carbon fiber cloth and then wrapped in 4

layers

> > of
> > > 8 oz. fiberglass. I used a large plastic bucket for my mold

since

> > > the 9 inch propeller fit's perfectly inside. Next will be to
> > split
> > > the "molded pipe" so to speak and cut the clam shells to shape.
> > > >
> > > > This is strictly a project to test several types of "Kitchen
> > > Rudders" out there with a model of the Wyoming. I have always
> > been
> > > unconventional in thinking about boat building and this just
> > seemed
> > > like a fun project. I'll post more pictures on my website

after

> > the
> > > weekend.
> > > >
> > > > April brings outdoor boat building near so I must get the
> > Sneakeasy
> > > done and launched by May to get started on the last section of

the

> > > Wyoming.
> > > >
> > > > Jeff
> > > > www.4dw.net/cosailor
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead

horses

> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks,

Fred' posts

> > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip

away

> > - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,

01930, Fax:

> (978) 282-1349
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> >
> >

Jeff, no, I don't need the numer as I'm not in the mkt. I suspected
that you were refering to that particular engine. It loks like an
air-cooled but has a radiator. We had one at the college I worked
for and they last forever and take alot of abuse. What are you doing
for a reversing gear? I've been away from this group for the summer,
maybe you've already told the group all of this, and can point me to
the thread.......
Don


--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Blunck" <boatbuilding@g...>
wrote:

> It's liquid cooled. I believe they are common in the John Deere

yard

> tractors and a number of RV style generators. I purchased mine on

line from

> a dealer who had several excess replacement engines at about 50%

discount

> from new. I can provide his email if anyone wishes to email me

privately.

>
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tysond99" <tysond99@y...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:41 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Sneakeasy
>
>
> > Jeff, What type of engine is this Kawasaki........air cooled,

liquid

> > cooled, where'd you get it?
> > Don
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Rund" <trund1024@y...> wrote:
> > > Jeff,
> > >
> > > Have you considered changing the drake tail stern to a slipper
> > launch
> > > style stern? The inboard power you're using would make this
> > possible.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <boatbuilding@g...>

wrote:

> > > > There has been considerable talk about small inboard engines
> > > lately. I'm planning on getting started mounting my 20 HP, 2
> > > cylinder Kawasaki motor in the Sneakeasy this weekend. I have

6'

> > > prop shaft, propeller, u-joint, and cutlass bearing ready to be
> > > fitted from BeaverTail Motors. They're great to work with and

had

> > no
> > > problems custom fitting a U-Joint to fit the Kawasaki for

$15.00

> > > additional charge.
> > > >
> > > > The way it's looking, I'll have an enclosed engine bay behind
> > the
> > > front seat and will be converting the splash well to a rear

seat

> > > area. The engine bay will be enclosed with blowers to keep

things

> > > cooled and the exhaust will be well wrapped to keep the heat
> > > contained and will exit out the bottom following the prop shaft
> > out
> > > the back of the boat.
> > > >
> > > > I started forming the clam shells for the Kitchen Rudder

from 6

> > > layers of 8 ounce carbon fiber cloth and then wrapped in 4

layers

> > of
> > > 8 oz. fiberglass. I used a large plastic bucket for my mold

since

> > > the 9 inch propeller fit's perfectly inside. Next will be to
> > split
> > > the "molded pipe" so to speak and cut the clam shells to shape.
> > > >
> > > > This is strictly a project to test several types of "Kitchen
> > > Rudders" out there with a model of the Wyoming. I have always
> > been
> > > unconventional in thinking about boat building and this just
> > seemed
> > > like a fun project. I'll post more pictures on my website

after

> > the
> > > weekend.
> > > >
> > > > April brings outdoor boat building near so I must get the
> > Sneakeasy
> > > done and launched by May to get started on the last section of

the

> > > Wyoming.
> > > >
> > > > Jeff
> > > > www.4dw.net/cosailor
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead

horses

> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks,

Fred' posts

> > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip

away

> > - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,

01930, Fax:

> (978) 282-1349
> > - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

It's liquid cooled. I believe they are common in the John Deere yard
tractors and a number of RV style generators. I purchased mine on line from
a dealer who had several excess replacement engines at about 50% discount
from new. I can provide his email if anyone wishes to email me privately.

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "tysond99" <tysond99@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:41 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Sneakeasy


> Jeff, What type of engine is this Kawasaki........air cooled, liquid
> cooled, where'd you get it?
> Don
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Rund" <trund1024@y...> wrote:
> > Jeff,
> >
> > Have you considered changing the drake tail stern to a slipper
> launch
> > style stern? The inboard power you're using would make this
> possible.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
> > > There has been considerable talk about small inboard engines
> > lately. I'm planning on getting started mounting my 20 HP, 2
> > cylinder Kawasaki motor in the Sneakeasy this weekend. I have 6'
> > prop shaft, propeller, u-joint, and cutlass bearing ready to be
> > fitted from BeaverTail Motors. They're great to work with and had
> no
> > problems custom fitting a U-Joint to fit the Kawasaki for $15.00
> > additional charge.
> > >
> > > The way it's looking, I'll have an enclosed engine bay behind
> the
> > front seat and will be converting the splash well to a rear seat
> > area. The engine bay will be enclosed with blowers to keep things
> > cooled and the exhaust will be well wrapped to keep the heat
> > contained and will exit out the bottom following the prop shaft
> out
> > the back of the boat.
> > >
> > > I started forming the clam shells for the Kitchen Rudder from 6
> > layers of 8 ounce carbon fiber cloth and then wrapped in 4 layers
> of
> > 8 oz. fiberglass. I used a large plastic bucket for my mold since
> > the 9 inch propeller fit's perfectly inside. Next will be to
> split
> > the "molded pipe" so to speak and cut the clam shells to shape.
> > >
> > > This is strictly a project to test several types of "Kitchen
> > Rudders" out there with a model of the Wyoming. I have always
> been
> > unconventional in thinking about boat building and this just
> seemed
> > like a fun project. I'll post more pictures on my website after
> the
> > weekend.
> > >
> > > April brings outdoor boat building near so I must get the
> Sneakeasy
> > done and launched by May to get started on the last section of the
> > Wyoming.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > > www.4dw.net/cosailor
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
(978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>
>
>
>

Jeff, What type of engine is this Kawasaki........air cooled, liquid
cooled, where'd you get it?
Don

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Rund" <trund1024@y...> wrote:
> Jeff,
>
> Have you considered changing the drake tail stern to a slipper
launch
> style stern? The inboard power you're using would make this
possible.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
> > There has been considerable talk about small inboard engines
> lately. I'm planning on getting started mounting my 20 HP, 2
> cylinder Kawasaki motor in the Sneakeasy this weekend. I have 6'
> prop shaft, propeller, u-joint, and cutlass bearing ready to be
> fitted from BeaverTail Motors. They're great to work with and had
no
> problems custom fitting a U-Joint to fit the Kawasaki for $15.00
> additional charge.
> >
> > The way it's looking, I'll have an enclosed engine bay behind
the
> front seat and will be converting the splash well to a rear seat
> area. The engine bay will be enclosed with blowers to keep things
> cooled and the exhaust will be well wrapped to keep the heat
> contained and will exit out the bottom following the prop shaft
out
> the back of the boat.
> >
> > I started forming the clam shells for the Kitchen Rudder from 6
> layers of 8 ounce carbon fiber cloth and then wrapped in 4 layers
of
> 8 oz. fiberglass. I used a large plastic bucket for my mold since
> the 9 inch propeller fit's perfectly inside. Next will be to
split
> the "molded pipe" so to speak and cut the clam shells to shape.
> >
> > This is strictly a project to test several types of "Kitchen
> Rudders" out there with a model of the Wyoming. I have always
been
> unconventional in thinking about boat building and this just
seemed
> like a fun project. I'll post more pictures on my website after
the
> weekend.
> >
> > April brings outdoor boat building near so I must get the
Sneakeasy
> done and launched by May to get started on the last section of the
> Wyoming.
> >
> > Jeff
> > www.4dw.net/cosailor
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Have you considered changing the drake tail stern to a slipper launch
style stern? The inboard power you're using would make this possible.


I did think of that but what I ended up doing is to build the stern very much like Bolger designed with the transom and all. To convert this boat back to outboard power I will only have to cut down the modified Drake tails which are shorter so the rear seating area can have full height sides, drop a bottom in for the splash well, remove the engine bay and it'll be a normal Sneakeasy. Not real easy but a few weekends of work will convert it back. This was done because the Kawasaki engine has a destiny as a generator / backup power for the Wyo.

Jeff


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Jeff,

Have you considered changing the drake tail stern to a slipper launch
style stern? The inboard power you're using would make this possible.

Tom

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
> There has been considerable talk about small inboard engines
lately. I'm planning on getting started mounting my 20 HP, 2
cylinder Kawasaki motor in the Sneakeasy this weekend. I have 6'
prop shaft, propeller, u-joint, and cutlass bearing ready to be
fitted from BeaverTail Motors. They're great to work with and had no
problems custom fitting a U-Joint to fit the Kawasaki for $15.00
additional charge.
>
> The way it's looking, I'll have an enclosed engine bay behind the
front seat and will be converting the splash well to a rear seat
area. The engine bay will be enclosed with blowers to keep things
cooled and the exhaust will be well wrapped to keep the heat
contained and will exit out the bottom following the prop shaft out
the back of the boat.
>
> I started forming the clam shells for the Kitchen Rudder from 6
layers of 8 ounce carbon fiber cloth and then wrapped in 4 layers of
8 oz. fiberglass. I used a large plastic bucket for my mold since
the 9 inch propeller fit's perfectly inside. Next will be to split
the "molded pipe" so to speak and cut the clam shells to shape.
>
> This is strictly a project to test several types of "Kitchen
Rudders" out there with a model of the Wyoming. I have always been
unconventional in thinking about boat building and this just seemed
like a fun project. I'll post more pictures on my website after the
weekend.
>
> April brings outdoor boat building near so I must get the Sneakeasy
done and launched by May to get started on the last section of the
Wyoming.
>
> Jeff
> www.4dw.net/cosailor
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

There has been considerable talk about small inboard engines lately. I'm planning on getting started mounting my 20 HP, 2 cylinder Kawasaki motor in the Sneakeasy this weekend. I have 6' prop shaft, propeller, u-joint, and cutlass bearing ready to be fitted from BeaverTail Motors. They're great to work with and had no problems custom fitting a U-Joint to fit the Kawasaki for $15.00 additional charge.

The way it's looking, I'll have an enclosed engine bay behind the front seat and will be converting the splash well to a rear seat area. The engine bay will be enclosed with blowers to keep things cooled and the exhaust will be well wrapped to keep the heat contained and will exit out the bottom following the prop shaft out the back of the boat.

I started forming the clam shells for the Kitchen Rudder from 6 layers of 8 ounce carbon fiber cloth and then wrapped in 4 layers of 8 oz. fiberglass. I used a large plastic bucket for my mold since the 9 inch propeller fit's perfectly inside. Next will be to split the "molded pipe" so to speak and cut the clam shells to shape.

This is strictly a project to test several types of "Kitchen Rudders" out there with a model of the Wyoming. I have always been unconventional in thinking about boat building and this just seemed like a fun project. I'll post more pictures on my website after the weekend.

April brings outdoor boat building near so I must get the Sneakeasy done and launched by May to get started on the last section of the Wyoming.

Jeff
www.4dw.net/cosailor


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Thanks, Steve!

Tom




--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Bosquette" <sbosquette@c...>
wrote:

> Hi Tom
> I don't have a detailed list but I did add the receipts and came up
> with $3000 for all materials, fittings, steering gear{teleflex},

1996

> Merc 15 hp and Merc command200 remote control.
> Steve Bosquette
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Rund" <trund1024@y...> wrote:
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > Would you happen to have a materials cost log for the project?
> >
> > Tom

Hi Tom
I don't have a detailed list but I did add the receipts and came up
with $3000 for all materials, fittings, steering gear{teleflex}, 1996
Merc 15 hp and Merc command200 remote control.
Steve Bosquette

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Rund" <trund1024@y...> wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> Would you happen to have a materials cost log for the project?
>
> Tom

Hi Steve,

Would you happen to have a materials cost log for the project?

Tom











--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Bosquette" <sbosquette@c...>
wrote:

> Hi Tom
> You will not be disappointed in the building process or the
> performance. I have a 15hp Merc and I get 18mph with me alone in

the

> Sneakeasy. My boat is for sale if you know someone interested,

check

> classifieds section in Duckworks.
> Best of luck in the building. There is an error in the plans on
> frame #6 I think. Measurements are off a little.
>
> Steve Bosquette
> > Tom

Thanks Steve.
I'm really looking forward to it. I visited a few of the sneakeasy
site (yours is one) and got a lot of inspiration. It's such an
elegant looking craft.

Tom






--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Bosquette" <sbosquette@c...>
wrote:

> Hi Tom
> You will not be disappointed in the building process or the
> performance. I have a 15hp Merc and I get 18mph with me alone in

the

> Sneakeasy. My boat is for sale if you know someone interested,

check

> classifieds section in Duckworks.
> Best of luck in the building. There is an error in the plans on
> frame #6 I think. Measurements are off a little.
>
> Steve Bosquette
> > Tom

Hi Tom
You will not be disappointed in the building process or the
performance. I have a 15hp Merc and I get 18mph with me alone in the
Sneakeasy. My boat is for sale if you know someone interested, check
classifieds section in Duckworks.
Best of luck in the building. There is an error in the plans on
frame #6 I think. Measurements are off a little.

Steve Bosquette

> Tom

The time has come...

I am sending out my order form for plans for the Sneakeasy today. I
plan to start construction this fall with a summer 04 launch. I have
a 25hp Yamaha that I plan to use on it. This should get me around the
Great South Bay pretty swiftly on calm to mild chop days. I must say
that boat sure is a head turner. I can't wait.

Tom

Thanks Charles,

I have two sets of plans - version one, the "square" version bought from
Payson, and version two, the "step" version in Boats With an Open Mind. (I
didn't order the full size plans for the second since they didn't include
panel expansions anyway, according to the book.) V1 implies 1/4" sides from
certain scale parts of the drawings, but V2 explicitly notes 3/8" sides. I
was building from both and didn't notice the discrepancy until too late.

It doesn't matter much to me on the lake, though it might were I in the
Gulf or trying to run a bigger motor. Of course, the definitive answer
should come from the man himself.

It's an excellent boat. One thing I would have done differently is to use
the highest quality plywood I could find - the boat's a keeper. Scarf
rather than butt. I also would have taken more care getting the deck
structure "perfect", and a lot more care getting a super slick and fast
bottom.

Gregg Carlson

At 09:06 AM 5/1/2001 -0400, you wrote:

>Gregg,
>In the Bolger group you said "Anyway, our sneakeasy is built with 1/4" sides
>(another story), so it may be a little lighter than average."
>Should I not used 1/4" sides? I think that is what the plans scale but I
>can't find a written dimension anywhere.(ie. what is "another story")
>Is fiberglass on 1/4" sufficient? or should I use 3/8" sides?
>I like you web page. Perhaps you could add a little paragraph at the end
>called "What I would do different if I built another one." or "Things I
>learned on this project".
>An update on what you think of the boat after a good bit of use would be
>nice too.
>
>Regards,
>Charles Hodges Andersonville GA

I'm real anxious to sell my Sneakeasy - too many boats. There's a
photo of it on Fritz's web page. Great boat, great price.

Fritz, don't take me to any more pix of your boat. I am now trying to
justify a reason for building one. Maybe so I can chase the topaz when my
wife takes it out. She is getting very proficient with it and won't even
let me bring it into the dock anymore. Brad

I have a Sneakeasy I built in 1995 that I'm anxious to sell. It has a
30 HP Mercury with very few hours and a custom trailer. The entire
hull is sheathed with cloth and epoxy, while the deck is mahogany.
There are covers for both foredeck and cockpit. I'm asking $7000.

Steven,

What part of the world are you in?

Les
Oak Harbor, WA, USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Gould [mailto:steveorkaren@...]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 6:37 AM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Sneakeasy


I have a Sneakeasy that I built five years age and am anxious to sell.


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I have a Sneakeasy that I built five years age and am anxious to sell.

Broter Gould,

Wheere are you?

Rennie

>From: "Steven Gould" <steveorkaren@...>
>Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
>To:bolger@...
>Subject: [bolger] Sneakeasy
>Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 15:24:33 -0800
>
>I Have a Bolger Sneakeasy that's four years old with a new 30HP Mercury
>and am anzious to sell. I have too many boats and want to start
>building another. I'm glad to give details and particulars to anyone
>interested.
>Steve Gould
>steveorkaren@...
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I Have a Bolger Sneakeasy that's four years old with a new 30HP Mercury
and am anzious to sell. I have too many boats and want to start
building another. I'm glad to give details and particulars to anyone
interested.
Steve Gould
steveorkaren@...

Fritz, great idea, I'll meet you halfway - what's that, Vancouver? Gregg


At 06:06 PM 7/20/99 -0700, you wrote:

>(Gregg - how about we trade boats sometime just for the fun of it and
>compare notes?)
>
>
>Fritz Funk
>Juneau, Alaska
>---------------------------------
>Fritz Funk
>Email at home:fritzf@...
>Email at work:fritzf@...
>Phone: (H): (907)780-4261 (W):(907)465-6113
>Snail: P.O. 6017 Sunset Street, Juneau, AK 99801-9728
>My Boat Page:http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Boats.htm
>(Current Project: Sneakeasy, a Phil Bolger Power Sharpie)
>
>
>
> <3.0.1.32.19990719173358.0076aae-@...> wrote:
>original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=28
>> Thanks Eric,
>>
>> We recently had discussion as to whether anyone else had built the
>keel
>> version - I haven't seen one on the web.
>>
>> I think the keel helps in rough water, but I really wouldn't have a
>point
>> of reference. On the lake, it gets rough, with big motorboats, and I
>don't
>> have any trouble. Light with a couple crew, it seems to skip across
>the
>> span of several waves, loaded down it can begin to pound a little.
>>
>> Following waves aren't bad either. Altogether, it wouldn't scare me,
>> although I would build it strong for all that and probably not let
>kids
>> drive on those days. Light and square, it's a little "corky" from
>the side.
>>
>> Gregg
>>
>>
>> At 02:26 PM 7/19/99 -0700, you wrote:
>> >Your boat looks great! I've read Bolger's books and it is good to
>see
>> that someone tried the step sharpie design with Sneakeasy. I like
>the
>> length of the boat and the ease to move this shape through the water.
> Your
>> speeds with low horse power are impressive. However, I'm curious
>about
>> the Sneakeasy's performance in a good sized chop. I live in
>Bellingham,
>> Wa. and the bay can get rough. I was hoping that it's length would
>allow
>> it to plow ahead through some 2-3 foot chop. Another issue is
>following
>> seas. I would guess that a racked transom is not an absolute
>necessity.
>> Bolger would probably be happy to hear that a design of his was
>altered to
>> meet the needs of the builder. Any comments would be appreciated.
>> Thank you. Eric.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
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I'm still getting a feel for my "flat-bottom" Sneakeasy, but at this
point I would have no qualms about going out in Bellingham Bay or Puget
Sound in the occasional 2 to 3 foot chop. You'd want to keep an eye on
the weather of course and be prepared to sit it out once in awhile, but
I think the design would do great there, as I'm finding it does here in
Alaska. The design will have its limits, just find where they are and
respect them. At some point I'll get some photos of her underway, and
organize some thoughts on handling characteristics on my web site.
Sneakeasy's performance certainly exceeds my expectations.

Somewhere I've got a piece written by Bernie Wolfard about motoring
around Puget Sound in his Idaho when it got rough - he said it did fine.

(Gregg - how about we trade boats sometime just for the fun of it and
compare notes?)


Fritz Funk
Juneau, Alaska
---------------------------------
Fritz Funk
Email at home:fritzf@...
Email at work:fritzf@...
Phone: (H): (907)780-4261 (W):(907)465-6113
Snail: P.O. 6017 Sunset Street, Juneau, AK 99801-9728
My Boat Page:http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Boats.htm
(Current Project: Sneakeasy, a Phil Bolger Power Sharpie)



<3.0.1.32.19990719173358.0076aae-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=28

> Thanks Eric,
>
> We recently had discussion as to whether anyone else had built the

keel

> version - I haven't seen one on the web.
>
> I think the keel helps in rough water, but I really wouldn't have a

point

> of reference. On the lake, it gets rough, with big motorboats, and I

don't

> have any trouble. Light with a couple crew, it seems to skip across

the

> span of several waves, loaded down it can begin to pound a little.
>
> Following waves aren't bad either. Altogether, it wouldn't scare me,
> although I would build it strong for all that and probably not let

kids

> drive on those days. Light and square, it's a little "corky" from

the side.

>
> Gregg
>
>
> At 02:26 PM 7/19/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >Your boat looks great! I've read Bolger's books and it is good to

see

> that someone tried the step sharpie design with Sneakeasy. I like

the

> length of the boat and the ease to move this shape through the water.

Your

> speeds with low horse power are impressive. However, I'm curious

about

> the Sneakeasy's performance in a good sized chop. I live in

Bellingham,

> Wa. and the bay can get rough. I was hoping that it's length would

allow

> it to plow ahead through some 2-3 foot chop. Another issue is

following

> seas. I would guess that a racked transom is not an absolute

necessity.

> Bolger would probably be happy to hear that a design of his was

altered to

> meet the needs of the builder. Any comments would be appreciated.
> Thank you. Eric.
> >
> >
>
>

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Thanks Eric,

We recently had discussion as to whether anyone else had built the keel
version - I haven't seen one on the web.

I think the keel helps in rough water, but I really wouldn't have a point
of reference. On the lake, it gets rough, with big motorboats, and I don't
have any trouble. Light with a couple crew, it seems to skip across the
span of several waves, loaded down it can begin to pound a little.

Following waves aren't bad either. Altogether, it wouldn't scare me,
although I would build it strong for all that and probably not let kids
drive on those days. Light and square, it's a little "corky" from the side.

Gregg


At 02:26 PM 7/19/99 -0700, you wrote:

>Your boat looks great! I've read Bolger's books and it is good to see

that someone tried the step sharpie design with Sneakeasy. I like the
length of the boat and the ease to move this shape through the water. Your
speeds with low horse power are impressive. However, I'm curious about
the Sneakeasy's performance in a good sized chop. I live in Bellingham,
Wa. and the bay can get rough. I was hoping that it's length would allow
it to plow ahead through some 2-3 foot chop. Another issue is following
seas. I would guess that a racked transom is not an absolute necessity.
Bolger would probably be happy to hear that a design of his was altered to
meet the needs of the builder. Any comments would be appreciated.
Thank you. Eric.

>
>

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