Re: #481 houseboat hull flip
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Paul McLellan" <bysc@i...> wrote:
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> The hull must be slid back about 5 feet on a very flimsy table then
> turned to point out the door. I have available a trailer modified
> with a 16 foot tongue. I don't have too many swilling buddies by
> could have about 6 people who would prefer not to lift too much but
> who could swill if necessary. I also have available a farm tractor
> with a bucket and a bunch of old tires. I feel the hull is bit of
a
> brick (no pun intended) and could sustain a good thump or two.
>
> Any ideas would be welcome.
Paul,
Nice picture! Do you plan on re-using your"table" once the hull
is turned over? If not,then perhaps you could just remove the legs
(one at a time with enough blocking underneath to slowly lower the
works down to the floor) then secure a line around the table and
drag her out,using the tractor or car or truck....
Your shop floor looks like it is concrete and may be smooth
enough for some castors,secured to the table once the legs are off?
Once outside,you've got it made with a tractor to flip her over.
I've gotta ask however,if you only have 7' headroom in your"shop"
how are you going to go about installing the cabin and roof on the
hull once the hull is righted and back inside?
Good Luck with the turnover!
Peter Lenihan,resting in the rain.........
I think your a little light on the weight. I normally figure 25lbs per
1/4 in of plywood sheet. That gives you 700 lbs for the plywood alone.
Rollers are always good, can you lift the hull and brace it get the
table out and drop it to the floor by using a jack and gradually
reducing, blocks/bracing? A floor jack is very handy for rapidly moving
the jack and lifting, messing with blocks, then going on to the next
spot. Don't rush, you can get hurt.
I borrowed a trailer to help Mark Zieger launch his Martha Jane
"Selkie". I told the boss I was going to take an hour and half of leave
to go get a boat in the water. 7 hours later we finally got it on the
trailer, with side trips for a floor Jack, and a trip home for every
block I could get my hands on plus dragging in half the neighbor hood.
HJ
Paul McLellan wrote:
1/4 in of plywood sheet. That gives you 700 lbs for the plywood alone.
Rollers are always good, can you lift the hull and brace it get the
table out and drop it to the floor by using a jack and gradually
reducing, blocks/bracing? A floor jack is very handy for rapidly moving
the jack and lifting, messing with blocks, then going on to the next
spot. Don't rush, you can get hurt.
I borrowed a trailer to help Mark Zieger launch his Martha Jane
"Selkie". I told the boss I was going to take an hour and half of leave
to go get a boat in the water. 7 hours later we finally got it on the
trailer, with side trips for a floor Jack, and a trip home for every
block I could get my hands on plus dragging in half the neighbor hood.
HJ
Paul McLellan wrote:
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>
>The picture posted to bolger 2 shows the hull ready to flip. It is in
>a building with a 7 foot cieling and the hull is 8 feet wide by 20
>feet long and shoud weigh about 600 lbs. (14 sheets of 1/2" ply, 6
>gallons epoxy and about 75 lbs of timber material).
>
>The hull must be slid back about 5 feet on a very flimsy table then
>turned to point out the door. I have available a trailer modified
>with a 16 foot tongue. I don't have too many swilling buddies by
>could have about 6 people who would prefer not to lift too much but
>who could swill if necessary. I also have available a farm tractor
>with a bucket and a bunch of old tires. I feel the hull is bit of a
>brick (no pun intended) and could sustain a good thump or two.
>
>Any ideas would be welcome. One theory was to use rollers for the
>internal movement and spinning then slide it onto the trailer for the
>removal from the building. The flipping would be another story.
>
>So far the project has been fun and this is the only real barrier so
>far. I have recieved excellent communication and help from Phil
>Bolger and friend including timley faxs, mail and phone conversations.
>
>Paul Mclellan trying to put common sense in boating with a little help
>from my friends on line.
>
>
>
>
Paul,
Great photo. I'll really enjoy seeing more as you go along. I always
thought this is a fun design.
Are you sure your ready for flipping now? The last two boats I built I
finished the bottoms completely, including antifouling paint before
flipping. Sure is a lot easier than laying on the ground working on your
back......
As far as spinning her, rollers can get out of hand with too many eager
fingers. Don't want her going off the end of the table, or suddenly
dropping off a roller onto a finger.. If you prop the hull up on some
scraps of lumber, enough to get the end of a 2x4 under the hull edge,
then with a fulcrum of a small chunk of 2x4 you can lift and swing the
hull an inch or so at a time with that 2x4 lever. You could do this all
by yourself in a very slow and controlled fashion, an inch at a time.
Sawhorses, cribbing or even the trailer can catch the edge that swings
off the table.
Flipping,... the lifting is not so big of a thing, you won't be lifting
all 600 lbs, balancing at the top needs care, with the flat sides you'll
have not too much worry, but a rope going each way with a wrap around a
tree or a car bumper will add safety. Lowering is the one that requires
some plan. Once she starts to go over gravity is pretty determined to
make it happen quickly. Tires will make for a softer landing and a rope
or chain to that elevated tractor bucket will probably do just fine.
Rick
Paul McLellan wrote:
Great photo. I'll really enjoy seeing more as you go along. I always
thought this is a fun design.
Are you sure your ready for flipping now? The last two boats I built I
finished the bottoms completely, including antifouling paint before
flipping. Sure is a lot easier than laying on the ground working on your
back......
As far as spinning her, rollers can get out of hand with too many eager
fingers. Don't want her going off the end of the table, or suddenly
dropping off a roller onto a finger.. If you prop the hull up on some
scraps of lumber, enough to get the end of a 2x4 under the hull edge,
then with a fulcrum of a small chunk of 2x4 you can lift and swing the
hull an inch or so at a time with that 2x4 lever. You could do this all
by yourself in a very slow and controlled fashion, an inch at a time.
Sawhorses, cribbing or even the trailer can catch the edge that swings
off the table.
Flipping,... the lifting is not so big of a thing, you won't be lifting
all 600 lbs, balancing at the top needs care, with the flat sides you'll
have not too much worry, but a rope going each way with a wrap around a
tree or a car bumper will add safety. Lowering is the one that requires
some plan. Once she starts to go over gravity is pretty determined to
make it happen quickly. Tires will make for a softer landing and a rope
or chain to that elevated tractor bucket will probably do just fine.
Rick
Paul McLellan wrote:
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> The picture posted to bolger 2 shows the hull ready to flip. It is in
> a building with a 7 foot cieling and the hull is 8 feet wide by 20
> feet long and shoud weigh about 600 lbs. (14 sheets of 1/2" ply, 6
> gallons epoxy and about 75 lbs of timber material).
>
> The hull must be slid back about 5 feet on a very flimsy table then
> turned to point out the door. I have available a trailer modified
> with a 16 foot tongue. I don't have too many swilling buddies by
> could have about 6 people who would prefer not to lift too much but
> who could swill if necessary. I also have available a farm tractor
> with a bucket and a bunch of old tires. I feel the hull is bit of a
> brick (no pun intended) and could sustain a good thump or two.
>
> Any ideas would be welcome. One theory was to use rollers for the
> internal movement and spinning then slide it onto the trailer for the
> removal from the building. The flipping would be another story.
>
> So far the project has been fun and this is the only real barrier so
> far. I have recieved excellent communication and help from Phil
> Bolger and friend including timley faxs, mail and phone conversations.
>
> Paul Mclellan trying to put common sense in boating with a little help
> from my friends on line.
>
>
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The picture posted to bolger 2 shows the hull ready to flip. It is in
a building with a 7 foot cieling and the hull is 8 feet wide by 20
feet long and shoud weigh about 600 lbs. (14 sheets of 1/2" ply, 6
gallons epoxy and about 75 lbs of timber material).
The hull must be slid back about 5 feet on a very flimsy table then
turned to point out the door. I have available a trailer modified
with a 16 foot tongue. I don't have too many swilling buddies by
could have about 6 people who would prefer not to lift too much but
who could swill if necessary. I also have available a farm tractor
with a bucket and a bunch of old tires. I feel the hull is bit of a
brick (no pun intended) and could sustain a good thump or two.
Any ideas would be welcome. One theory was to use rollers for the
internal movement and spinning then slide it onto the trailer for the
removal from the building. The flipping would be another story.
So far the project has been fun and this is the only real barrier so
far. I have recieved excellent communication and help from Phil
Bolger and friend including timley faxs, mail and phone conversations.
Paul Mclellan trying to put common sense in boating with a little help
from my friends on line.
The picture posted to bolger 2 shows the hull ready to flip. It is in
a building with a 7 foot cieling and the hull is 8 feet wide by 20
feet long and shoud weigh about 600 lbs. (14 sheets of 1/2" ply, 6
gallons epoxy and about 75 lbs of timber material).
The hull must be slid back about 5 feet on a very flimsy table then
turned to point out the door. I have available a trailer modified
with a 16 foot tongue. I don't have too many swilling buddies by
could have about 6 people who would prefer not to lift too much but
who could swill if necessary. I also have available a farm tractor
with a bucket and a bunch of old tires. I feel the hull is bit of a
brick (no pun intended) and could sustain a good thump or two.
Any ideas would be welcome. One theory was to use rollers for the
internal movement and spinning then slide it onto the trailer for the
removal from the building. The flipping would be another story.
So far the project has been fun and this is the only real barrier so
far. I have recieved excellent communication and help from Phil
Bolger and friend including timley faxs, mail and phone conversations.
Paul Mclellan trying to put common sense in boating with a little help
from my friends on line.