[bolger] Re: Beuhler/Parker Composite
David,
Plywood shiplap is described most clearly in Tom Hill's _Lightweight Boatbuilding_. It is done essentially like regular shiplap (clinker), but without extensive framing and with the epoxy gluing of the lapped plywood planks, making the exact fitting of the plank edges less of an issue, and making the hull a single rigid structure. Because the laps preclude the use of a fiberglass covering, high quality, rot resistant plywood must be used. Bolger's Chebacco and Chebacco 25 have been done in this way. Check out _Chebacco News_: <http://members.xoom.com/billsamson/>. Reuel Parker's 28' Pilot Schooner, shown in plan profile in Boat Design Quarterly #17, is so lovely that I find it painful to look at. You can see it at Parker's website: <http://www.parker-marine.com/28pischoonerpage.htm>. Too bad it's so small inside. It is also about the biggest hull you can build with this type of construction, according to Mike O'Brien. As for any of the multilayer planking techniques, they tend to get very tiresome after the first layer, especially the splining of the panel edges. I had to do this on the bottom of my Gunkholer (even though it wasn't mentioned in the plans), and it drove me up a wall. It took me over a month of part time labor, as I recall, and left me with a 22' hull to turn over in the dead of a Catskill winter. Still, if I can do it, anyone can. I certainly don't want to dissuade you if you're anxious to try any advanced technique,
david
Plywood shiplap is described most clearly in Tom Hill's _Lightweight Boatbuilding_. It is done essentially like regular shiplap (clinker), but without extensive framing and with the epoxy gluing of the lapped plywood planks, making the exact fitting of the plank edges less of an issue, and making the hull a single rigid structure. Because the laps preclude the use of a fiberglass covering, high quality, rot resistant plywood must be used. Bolger's Chebacco and Chebacco 25 have been done in this way. Check out _Chebacco News_: <http://members.xoom.com/billsamson/>. Reuel Parker's 28' Pilot Schooner, shown in plan profile in Boat Design Quarterly #17, is so lovely that I find it painful to look at. You can see it at Parker's website: <http://www.parker-marine.com/28pischoonerpage.htm>. Too bad it's so small inside. It is also about the biggest hull you can build with this type of construction, according to Mike O'Brien. As for any of the multilayer planking techniques, they tend to get very tiresome after the first layer, especially the splining of the panel edges. I had to do this on the bottom of my Gunkholer (even though it wasn't mentioned in the plans), and it drove me up a wall. It took me over a month of part time labor, as I recall, and left me with a 22' hull to turn over in the dead of a Catskill winter. Still, if I can do it, anyone can. I certainly don't want to dissuade you if you're anxious to try any advanced technique,
david
David Ryan wrote:
>David,
>It is a very labor-intensive technique and requires lots of time.
hrrmm. both authors left me with the impression that it was a faster,
less demanding way to plank a hull. Of course I could just be reading
the way I want to read it.
> plywood shiplap planking, which is fast
>(but still fussy), finishes easily, and is really beautiful, imho.
Parker
>has designed some boats for plywood shiplap, as has Bolger,
What exactly is plywood shiplap planking. Can you describe the process?
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
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David,
It is a very labor-intensive technique and requires lots of time. I would
sooner go for strip planking with heavy (structural) fiberglass cloth on
both sides, which could produce a nice round bottomed hull in less time and
with less fussy fitting, or with plywood shiplap planking, which is fast
(but still fussy), finishes easily, and is really beautiful, imho. Parker
has designed some boats for plywood shiplap, as has Bolger,
david
David Ryan wrote:
It is a very labor-intensive technique and requires lots of time. I would
sooner go for strip planking with heavy (structural) fiberglass cloth on
both sides, which could produce a nice round bottomed hull in less time and
with less fussy fitting, or with plywood shiplap planking, which is fast
(but still fussy), finishes easily, and is really beautiful, imho. Parker
has designed some boats for plywood shiplap, as has Bolger,
david
David Ryan wrote:
> FBBB -
>
> Having devoured "Back Yard Boat Building" and "New Cold-Molding" I
> have to confess I am intrigued with the idea of multi-directional
> plywood planking over thinner traditional style planks. Parker's idea
> to use tongue and groove stock seems especially clever.
>
> Yes, I know, this is a BOLGER group, but not all Bolger boat are
> square! Have any of you used this technique to build a boat?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David Ryan
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>this sounds like an exact description of the process in Beuhler and
> >From what I've read it looks like strip planking with a couple of layers of
>veneer cold-molded on the outside looks like a good compromise.
Parker's books
David Ryan
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I've not used it myself, but John Conneely who used to build boats for a
living down in Florida (he built "Romp") explained to me that it was a
miserable way to do things. The veneers were expensive, it required a lot of
work to build a good mold that would give a fair hull, and it took way too
much messy glue. He preferred strip planking for round bilged boats.
(Although he did say Romp was tough to plank -- lots of twist in the forward
sections.)
From what I've read it looks like strip planking with a couple of layers of
veneer cold-molded on the outside looks like a good compromise.
John Bell
Kennesaw, GA
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living down in Florida (he built "Romp") explained to me that it was a
miserable way to do things. The veneers were expensive, it required a lot of
work to build a good mold that would give a fair hull, and it took way too
much messy glue. He preferred strip planking for round bilged boats.
(Although he did say Romp was tough to plank -- lots of twist in the forward
sections.)
From what I've read it looks like strip planking with a couple of layers of
veneer cold-molded on the outside looks like a good compromise.
John Bell
Kennesaw, GA
jmbell@...
http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com
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Subject: [bolger] Beuhler/Parker Composite
> FBBB -
>
> Having devoured "Back Yard Boat Building" and "New Cold-Molding" I
> have to confess I am intrigued with the idea of multi-directional
> plywood planking over thinner traditional style planks. Parker's idea
> to use tongue and groove stock seems especially clever.
>
> Yes, I know, this is a BOLGER group, but not all Bolger boat are
> square! Have any of you used this technique to build a boat?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David Ryan
> Call us when you're in the city (212)247-0296
> Call us when you're in Montuak (631)668-2826
>
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Bill Derby
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Subject: [bolger] Re: Beuhler/Parker Composite
less demanding way to plank a hull. Of course I could just be reading
the way I want to read it.
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
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Subject: [bolger] Re: Beuhler/Parker Composite
>David,hrrmm. both authors left me with the impression that it was a faster,
>It is a very labor-intensive technique and requires lots of time.
less demanding way to plank a hull. Of course I could just be reading
the way I want to read it.
> plywood shiplap planking, which is fastParker
>(but still fussy), finishes easily, and is really beautiful, imho.
>has designed some boats for plywood shiplap, as has Bolger,What exactly is plywood shiplap planking. Can you describe the process?
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
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>David,hrrmm. both authors left me with the impression that it was a faster,
>It is a very labor-intensive technique and requires lots of time.
less demanding way to plank a hull. Of course I could just be reading
the way I want to read it.
> plywood shiplap planking, which is fastWhat exactly is plywood shiplap planking. Can you describe the process?
>(but still fussy), finishes easily, and is really beautiful, imho. Parker
>has designed some boats for plywood shiplap, as has Bolger,
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
FBBB -
Having devoured "Back Yard Boat Building" and "New Cold-Molding" I
have to confess I am intrigued with the idea of multi-directional
plywood planking over thinner traditional style planks. Parker's idea
to use tongue and groove stock seems especially clever.
Yes, I know, this is a BOLGER group, but not all Bolger boat are
square! Have any of you used this technique to build a boat?
YIBB,
David Ryan
Call us when you're in the city (212)247-0296
Call us when you're in Montuak (631)668-2826
Having devoured "Back Yard Boat Building" and "New Cold-Molding" I
have to confess I am intrigued with the idea of multi-directional
plywood planking over thinner traditional style planks. Parker's idea
to use tongue and groove stock seems especially clever.
Yes, I know, this is a BOLGER group, but not all Bolger boat are
square! Have any of you used this technique to build a boat?
YIBB,
David Ryan
Call us when you're in the city (212)247-0296
Call us when you're in Montuak (631)668-2826