Re: [bolger] Digest Number 1528
Gypsy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 6:14 PM
Subject: [bolger] Digest Number 1528
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: What is Bolger's *best* design?
From: "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@...>
2. RE: Re: What is Bolger's *best* design?
From: "welshman@..." <welshman@...>
3. 8x4x2 Garvey
From: "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@...>
4. Re: Re: What is Bolger's *best* design?
From: "Richard Spelling" <richard@...>
5. Re: What is Bolger's *best* design?
From: "Susan Davis" <futabachan@...>
6. Re: Sprit sail rig
From: "honestjohn37" <honestjohn37@...>
7. Re: Boat towing and other ruminations
From: "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@...>
8. Re: What is Bolger's *best* design?
From: Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@...>
9. Sprit sail rig
From: "John Mann" <honestjohn37@...>
10. Sprit Sail rig
From: "honestjohn37" <honestjohn37@...>
11. Re: Re: What is Bolger's *best* design?
From: "jeff" <boatbuilding@...>
12. New poll for bolger
From: bolger
13. New poll for bolger
From: bolger
14. Re: New poll for bolger favorite boat.
From: "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@...>
15. Re: New poll for bolger
From: "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@...>
16. Re: New poll for bolger
From: "s_paskey" <s_paskey@...>
17. Re: Sprit Sail rig
From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@...>
18. Further flipping concerns
From: "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@...>
19. Re: Sprit Sail rig
From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@...>
20. Re: New poll for bolger
From: "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@...>
21. Further flipping concerns
From: "jakeman19652002" <jakeman19652002@...>
22. Re: Further flipping concerns
From: "jeff" <boatbuilding@...>
23. Re: Further flipping concerns
From: "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@...>
24. Re: Sprit Sail rig
From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@...>
25. Re: Sprit Sail rig
From: "honestjohn37" <honestjohn37@...>
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:44:19 -0000
From: "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@...>
Subject: Re: What is Bolger's *best* design?
I guess, that the real
poll will have to boil down
to the *most popular* design.
Maybe the poll should be phrased:
===
What are your favorite Bolger design(s)?
===
Yahoo Group polls allow up to 25 items.
The poll can also allow multiple votes,
so you could choose more than one as
your 'favorite'.
Here is my proposed list of 29
Please suggest four to remove,
and the obvious omissions.
Advanced Sharpie AS-29
Bantom
Birdwatcher
Black Skimmer
Champlain
Chebacco
Dakota
Dovekie
Fast Motor Sailer
Folding Schooner
Glouschester Gull Dory
Gypsy
Jessie Cooper
Kotick
Light Schooner
Martha Jane
Micro
Nymph
Resolution
Spur II
Superbrick
Sweet Pea
Tahiti
Teal
Topaz
Tortoise
Windermeer
Wyoming
The last design I looked at.
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:47:18 -0400
From: "welshman@..." <welshman@...>
Subject: RE: Re: What is Bolger's *best* design?
Peter
Well uh----uhm----ah-----mmmm, Micro wasn't exactly what I was thinking of
when I wrote that.
I was thinking more of buxom, balanced curves exquisitely blended so that
from any angle your eye is drawn in to the beautifully rendered whole, that
looks different but still lovely no matter what your point of view. If it
was audible it would say boooaaat in a low luscious alto warble.
HJ
Well said HJ!
And I'm glad you did cause now I can vote for the MICRO. I think
she is just the cutest little thing around.So cute,you just want to
eat her with a spoon!!!! And as if that wasn't all a fella needed,
she is self-righting,easy to sail,trailerable,requires but 15 sheets
of plywood,has comfy beds to sleep in.....can be built at home!!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:54:22 -0000
From: "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@...>
Subject: 8x4x2 Garvey
Does anybody know which design
is the 8x4x2 Garvey mentioned
as a tender in the latest
MAIB article about Yonder?
It looks like a new design to me...
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:13:44 -0500
From: "Richard Spelling" <richard@...>
Subject: Re: Re: What is Bolger's *best* design?
Like I said! Chebacco! Chebacco! Chebacco!
:-)
----- Original Message -----
From: <welshman@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: What is Bolger's *best* design?
>
> Peter
>
> Well uh----uhm----ah-----mmmm, Micro wasn't exactly what I was thinking of
> when I wrote that.
>
> I was thinking more of buxom, balanced curves exquisitely blended so that
> from any angle your eye is drawn in to the beautifully rendered whole,
that
> looks different but still lovely no matter what your point of view. If it
> was audible it would say boooaaat in a low luscious alto warble.
>
> HJ
>
>
> Well said HJ!
> And I'm glad you did cause now I can vote for the MICRO. I think
> she is just the cutest little thing around.So cute,you just want to
> eat her with a spoon!!!! And as if that wasn't all a fella needed,
> she is self-righting,easy to sail,trailerable,requires but 15 sheets
> of plywood,has comfy beds to sleep in.....can be built at home!!!
>
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> mail2web - Check your email from the web at
>http://mail2web.com/.
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:32:43 -0000
From: "Susan Davis" <futabachan@...>
Subject: Re: What is Bolger's *best* design?
> Proposed group poll:
> What is Bolger's *best* design?
Clearly, the Insolent 60.... :-)
-- Sue --
(ducking and running)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:52:22 -0000
From: "honestjohn37" <honestjohn37@...>
Subject: Re: Sprit sail rig
There is no slot or other fitting for attaching the snotter. The mast
had a neatly tied loop which I am putting the sprit through, it seems
to be right. The sprit extends a bit forward of the mast, down low,
but not much.
Honest John
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
> > If it's in the corner, it's for putting the sprit into.
> > Upper aft = peak.
>
> My mistake. I was thinking of a sleeve along one edge of the sail,
> but he didn't say that.
>
> How would you attach a snotter to the end of the sprit if there are
> no fittings? Is there a notch in the end?
>
> Peter
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 19:03:17 -0000
From: "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@...>
Subject: Re: Boat towing and other ruminations
> One of the commitee
> boats come up and asked a bunch of questions,
> saying I was pretty fast off the wind.
> I guess I was running faster than the people
> racing on the downwind leg with spinakers...
This reminds me of an experience I once had crewing on a Tartan 33 in
big regatta. A LHF Rozinante started in a class ahead of us, and we
caught her on the beat. We set a chute and went charging down the run
and the Rozinante kept up with us, and perhaps closed a little, under
working sail. It didn't **look** like she was sailing fast at all.
Of course, you have your Chebacco equipped with one of those rule-
cheating, four-sided sails.
Peter
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:01:52 -0700
From: Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@...>
Subject: Re: What is Bolger's *best* design?
BRICK!
>someone wrote:
>
>
>>> Proposed group poll:
>>> What is Bolger's *best* design?
>>>
>>> Perhaps we could agree on a short
>>> list of six candidates, and then
>>> vote in a poll?
>>>
>>> My criteria include;
>>>
>>> Safety.
>>> Innovation.
>>> Function for purpose.
>>> An elegance from simplicity.
>>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 19:19:19 +0000
From: "John Mann" <honestjohn37@...>
Subject: Sprit sail rig
Thanks ever so much guys, I was half expecting curses and comments of
'off-topic' and such. I'm trying to attach some pics to this msg. I guess
my limited vocabulary reached it's limits. Does this help? Opps! sorry,
two pics won't fit. I'll have to send more in seperate messages.
Honest John
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 19:36:22 -0000
From: "honestjohn37" <honestjohn37@...>
Subject: Sprit Sail rig
Hmmm...
That didn't work, I am guessing that this group doesn't allow
attachments to the messages, or what? On the message page, it says
the attachment was removed from the message. I'll try to make a photo
folder later, but for now, I've still got kwerstions. I stepped the
mast and laced the sail to it. Then I fitted the sprit into the
pocket in the peak of the sail. Then I fitted the snotter. Fine so
far. Now I'm left with a rope about 30 ft. long with a block tied
into the middle (15' tied to one side of the block, 15' to the other.
On one 15' piece, there is a loose block. They must have something to
do with the connection between the clew and the traveller, but I can't
quite see how. The other 15' end I've run diagonally from the clew
through the wheel at the masthead and on down to a belaying pin at the
foot of the mast. There is no sheet or halyard attached to the sprit,
I guess it just follows the sail if I hoist the sheet running from
masthead to clew. What would normally be the connection to the
traveller, a block or a simple clip-on hook that runs metal to meatl
on the wire traveller? I've got some fairly good pics, but I can't
figure out how to send them to the group (the e-mail I regisered with
is a Hotmail account). Could I send them to someone's e-mail account
who could then up?
Thanks very much everyone for your replies. It's 25 degrees C here
today, and I'm going crazy trying to get on the water.
Honest John
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:28:34 -0600
From: "jeff" <boatbuilding@...>
Subject: Re: Re: What is Bolger's *best* design?
Okay while we're ducking and running, I vote for the Wyoming!
LOL
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Davis" <futabachan@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:32 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: What is Bolger's *best* design?
> > Proposed group poll:
> > What is Bolger's *best* design?
>
> Clearly, the Insolent 60.... :-)
>
> -- Sue --
> (ducking and running)
>
> --
> Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: 29 May 2003 20:05:56 -0000
From: bolger
Subject: New poll for bolger
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
bolger group:
Which are your favorite Bolger designs,
(small boats)? Vote for one or more.
o Cartopper
o Clam Skiff
o Diablo
o Elegant Punt
o Folding Schooner
o Brick
o Gypsy
o Gloucester Gull Dory
o Kotick
o Light Schooner
o Nymph
o June Bug
o His & Her Schooner
o Spur II
o Sweat Pea
o Pirate Racer
o Pointy Skiff
o Storm Petrel
o Surf
o Teal
o Tortoise
o Queen Mab
o Windsprint
o Yellow Leaf
o The last design I looked at.
To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/surveys?id=1099596
Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.
Thanks!
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Message: 13
Date: 29 May 2003 19:56:48 -0000
From: bolger
Subject: New poll for bolger
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
bolger group:
Which are your favorite Bolger designs,
(big boats)? Vote for one or more.
o Advanced Sharpie, AS-29
o Bantom
o Birdwatcher
o Black Skimmer
o Champlain
o Chebacco
o Dakota
o Dovekie
o Jessie Cooper
o Martha Jane
o Micro
o Micro Trawler
o Resolution
o Retriever
o Scow Schooner
o Sneakeasy
o Superbrick
o Tahiti
o Topaz
o Watervan
o Windermere
o William D. Jochems
o Wyoming
o Yonder
o The last design I looked at.
To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/surveys?id=1099592
Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.
Thanks!
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 20:12:15 -0000
From: "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@...>
Subject: Re: New poll for bolger favorite boat.
Arbitrary, yes.
Two polls, one for big boats,
and another for small boats.
The difference being arbitrary,
but more or less determined
by whether they have a toilet. <g>
No limit on how many votes you make,
and you can change your mind!
Sorry if I forgot your favorite boat.
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:00:42 -0000
From: "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@...>
Subject: Re: New poll for bolger
---bolger@yahoogroups.comwrote:
> o Watervan
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/surveys?id=1099592
Oops, I just noticed, and
corrected an egregious error
...not including Insolent60
Which I fixed by removing
Watervan. [the two people
who already voted, please
vote again.]
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:06:49 -0000
From: "s_paskey" <s_paskey@...>
Subject: Re: New poll for bolger
Two boats I'd vote for, if I could:
Big: St. Valery
Little: the Thomaston Galley
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:30:23 -0400
From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@...>
Subject: Re: Sprit Sail rig
I've got some fairly good pics, but I can't
>figure out how to send them to the group (the e-mail I regisered with
>is a Hotmail account). Could I send them to someone's e-mail account
>who could then up?
>Thanks very much everyone for your replies. It's 25 degrees C here
>today, and I'm going crazy trying to get on the water.
>Honest John
Sure, send 'em to me.
--
Craig O'Donnell
Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
The Cheap Pages <http://www2.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:35:59 -0000
From: "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@...>
Subject: Further flipping concerns
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, sctree <sctree@d...> wrote:
> >
>
> Regarding Windermere's bottom....
>
and am wondering if he realizes the work involved in
> multiple flips in a non-boatshop setting.
Rick,
Not wishing to put words in our Heros' mouth but I can tell you
that following several long faxes and an equally long phone call from
Him I was left with the clear impression that he is indeed not only
aware but,perhaps more importantly, very much concerned about the
builders' safety.He could not stress enough this concern,nor could
Susanne, and they proceeded with the gantry sketches.
It should also be stressed that there is perhaps a practical
upper limit for this sort of flipping by amateur boatbuilders.At some
point there has to be an industrial level involvement of cranes or
hoists.
Not that this should deter anyone from building their dream boat
but it may be an element worthy of serious study and considertion for
those building out in the open since it will/can involve expenses not
normally accounted for in a budget. I enquired up here for the
smallest crane, only $265/hour,minimum 3 hours.Since I will have
to "flip" her 3 times, that comes out to $2385.00 CAN. That is a lot
of wood or epoxy or fiberglass etc...and certainly something I never
budgeted for.
Perhaps as more of his "bigger" designs get built,which require
flipping, he will include as part of the plans package details for
gantries or other lifting devices.
Nevertheless, I remain confident that the flipping sessions will
go just fine so long as enough muscle power is present and things
proceed cautiously.
May I be so bold as to enquire about some juicy details
concerning your next Bolger boat"not quite as big as Windermere"? New
builds excite me to no end!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,marvelling at the brave sun peeking through the hole
pocked cloud base.Which reminds me of an expression my grandmother
used to say;"if you can see enough blue to patch a sailors pants,then
the weather will improve." I miss her optimism...........
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:41:47 -0400
From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@...>
Subject: Re: Sprit Sail rig
>Then I fitted the sprit into the
>pocket in the peak of the sail. Then I fitted the snotter. Fine so
>far. Now I'm left with a rope about 30 ft. long with a block tied
>into the middle (15' tied to one side of the block, 15' to the other.
I'm a little confused. Is this two 15ft pieces?
Does the block have a becket (a bracket below the wheel, on the
opposite side from the shackle or bail).
>On one 15' piece, there is a loose block. They must have something to
>do with the connection between the clew and the traveller, but I can't
>quite see how. The other 15' end I've run diagonally from the clew
>through the wheel at the masthead and on down to a belaying pin at the
>foot of the mast. There is no sheet or halyard attached to the sprit,
Well, this is almost certainly wrong if I'm understanding correctly.
Your halyard should be a simple piece of rope, tied to the head of
the sail, running down in front of the mast or on the side away from
the sprit, to a belaying pin.
The other belaying pin is probably for the downhaul - a short line
from the tack (fore. lower corner) grommet to the pin.
>I guess it just follows the sail if I hoist the sheet running from
>masthead to clew.
The sheet is attached to the back end of the sail and it's what you
pull on. The clew is the technical name for the attachment.
Look here for a simple rig with explanations:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/cranks/dinghy/dinghy_rig.html
>figure out how to send them to the group (the e-mail I regisered with
>is a Hotmail account). Could I send them to someone's e-mail account
>who could then up?
>Thanks very much everyone for your replies. It's 25 degrees C here
>today, and I'm going crazy trying to get on the water.
>Honest John
--
Craig O'Donnell
Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
The Cheap Pages <http://www2.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
_________________________________
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-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:45:09 -0000
From: "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@...>
Subject: Re: New poll for bolger
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@y...>
Darn'it Bruce, I keep trying to uphold an old Canadian maritime
tradition by"voting early and voting often" but the upity poll
machine won't let me do it.Rats!! I guess the MICRO is going to have
to sink or swim on her own........as will WINDERMERE,YONDER and a few
others.........
What about WOLFPACK? PRANCING PONY?
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:51:31 -0000
From: "jakeman19652002" <jakeman19652002@...>
Subject: Further flipping concerns
I have flipped a 25' boat with a car jack and alot of bracing,
blocking it up as I went. It reached its balance point, and with a
light push went over to a soft landing on stacks of tires. The whole
job was not to hard. There are also things called wall jacks that are
used to lift walls when framing a house. Two of these would lift a
30' boat with no problem, as I have sed them to lift 50' walls easly.
they are metal poles that expand to 18' and have come alongs atached
to them. They could be rented cheaply. Either way a slow and
deliberate approch, with the use of blocking should be safe and do
the job. Jake
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:03:58 -0600
From: "jeff" <boatbuilding@...>
Subject: Re: Further flipping concerns
I built a gantry to lift sections of my Wyo. The legs are rated at about
4000 lbs each vertical load while the I beam is rated at 2000 lbs center
load but as you move the load out to the side legs you can get to 4000 lbs.
It wouldn't take much to take these plans and tweak them with a bigger
I-beam and large bracing to get up to say 12 feet in width and height.
I have about $250 in mine, you could build a couple for the price on one
crane trip.
The plans on the web where only $14.00
Some photos of my gantry are centered on my web page.
www.4dw.net/cosailor
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "jakeman19652002" <jakeman19652002@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:51 PM
Subject: [bolger] Further flipping concerns
> I have flipped a 25' boat with a car jack and alot of bracing,
> blocking it up as I went. It reached its balance point, and with a
> light push went over to a soft landing on stacks of tires. The whole
> job was not to hard. There are also things called wall jacks that are
> used to lift walls when framing a house. Two of these would lift a
> 30' boat with no problem, as I have sed them to lift 50' walls easly.
> they are metal poles that expand to 18' and have come alongs atached
> to them. They could be rented cheaply. Either way a slow and
> deliberate approch, with the use of blocking should be safe and do
> the job. Jake
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 22:02:19 -0000
From: "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@...>
Subject: Re: Further flipping concerns
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "jakeman19652002"
<jakeman19652002@y...> wrote:
There are also things called wall jacks that are
> used to lift walls when framing a house. Two of these would lift a
> 30' boat with no problem, as I have sed them to lift 50' walls
easly.
> they are metal poles that expand to 18' and have come alongs
atached
> to them. They could be rented cheaply. Either way a slow and
> deliberate approch, with the use of blocking should be safe and do
> the job. Jake
Thanks Jake!
I'll give my local tool equipement rental store a call.Sounds
like a good idea. In fact, a very good idea for lowering the bottom
once past vertical.I'm not too keen on the idea of just letting her
fall onto a pile of softness.....unless we're talking lots of
matresses.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, grateful for the great ideas available from this group
of maniacs!
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:10:58 -0400
From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@...>
Subject: Re: Sprit Sail rig
Look also here for introductory material (sure it's 1905, but not
that much has changed)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/kenealy/kenealy0.html
--
Craig O'Donnell
Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
The Cheap Pages <http://www2.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 22:13:51 -0000
From: "honestjohn37" <honestjohn37@...>
Subject: Re: Sprit Sail rig
Craig, Thanks very much for your replies. Yes, the longest rope
consists of two halves each tied to opposite ends of a single block.
One of the halves runs through the eye of one end of a block which can
slide all along that half. I've tried now to upload pics to a new
folder. A message tells me that even the first pic is too big for the
size allotted for this group. So much for that. I wanted to send an
e-mail to you directly as you had indicated I could, but the Yahoo
message system doesn't show your complete e-mail address; only to the
first letter after the '@' sign. If I try to send the pics via Yahoo,
it says even one pic is too big. What do others do? If I could send
you a normal e-mail with the pics attached I would, but it won't work
via Yahoo. Grrr. :o(
John
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, craig o'donnell <dadadata@f...> wrote:
> >Then I fitted the sprit into the
> >pocket in the peak of the sail. Then I fitted the snotter. Fine so
> >far. Now I'm left with a rope about 30 ft. long with a block tied
> >into the middle (15' tied to one side of the block, 15' to the other.
>
> I'm a little confused. Is this two 15ft pieces?
>
> Does the block have a becket (a bracket below the wheel, on the
> opposite side from the shackle or bail).
>
>
> >On one 15' piece, there is a loose block. They must have something to
> >do with the connection between the clew and the traveller, but I can't
> >quite see how. The other 15' end I've run diagonally from the clew
> >through the wheel at the masthead and on down to a belaying pin at the
> >foot of the mast. There is no sheet or halyard attached to the sprit,
>
> Well, this is almost certainly wrong if I'm understanding correctly.
> Your halyard should be a simple piece of rope, tied to the head of
> the sail, running down in front of the mast or on the side away from
> the sprit, to a belaying pin.
>
> The other belaying pin is probably for the downhaul - a short line
> from the tack (fore. lower corner) grommet to the pin.
>
> >I guess it just follows the sail if I hoist the sheet running from
> >masthead to clew.
>
> The sheet is attached to the back end of the sail and it's what you
> pull on. The clew is the technical name for the attachment.
>
> Look here for a simple rig with explanations:
>
>
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/cranks/dinghy/dinghy_rig.html
>
>
>
> >figure out how to send them to the group (the e-mail I regisered with
> >is a Hotmail account). Could I send them to someone's e-mail account
> >who could then up?
>
> >Thanks very much everyone for your replies. It's 25 degrees C here
> >today, and I'm going crazy trying to get on the water.
> >Honest John
>
> --
> Craig O'Donnell
> Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
> <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
> The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
> The Cheap Pages <http://www2.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
> Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
> American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
> Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
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>
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> -- Macintosh kinda guy
> Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
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