Re: [bolger] Re: Bolger's Sneakeasy
I lived two doors down from Fritz Funk, helped with the launching of his
Sneakeasy, have made several trips in it before he moved it to WI. You
are not going to tow skiers with it. 30 HP is overkill, I would put an
18 hp max. I believe Fritz uses a 15 HP and we have cruised it with 4
on board no problem. It is an amazing boat, no transition to plane it
just rises up out of the water level. Chop doesn't bother it. I would
rate the hull as easier to build than a Diablo. I personally think it is
one of Bolger's most brilliant designs. It never ceases to amaze me how
many people like it and then want to modify the design.
HJ
Sneakeasy, have made several trips in it before he moved it to WI. You
are not going to tow skiers with it. 30 HP is overkill, I would put an
18 hp max. I believe Fritz uses a 15 HP and we have cruised it with 4
on board no problem. It is an amazing boat, no transition to plane it
just rises up out of the water level. Chop doesn't bother it. I would
rate the hull as easier to build than a Diablo. I personally think it is
one of Bolger's most brilliant designs. It never ceases to amaze me how
many people like it and then want to modify the design.
HJ
On 7/1/2012 8:35 AM, slloyd wrote:
> wow.. has it only been 9 years? =D
>
> I haven't built this boat yet, but i never forgot about it. i am getting closer to it being a good time in my life to build. now have regular access to an inland lake which only sees waves as created by other boaters.
>
> i am pretty comfortably reading the instant book (and new instant book) and start building. but I am wondering .. how does one flip the boat over to epoxy the inside? at 26' and probably a couple hundred pounds... i will be building outside (under temporary shed, with grass under foot). so i was thinking of dropping in some 6x6 posts and then beam across the top just incase i need a hand with a lift? just a random idea.
>
> my other question .. do you think a sneakeasy could pull a waterski ? i read that sneakeasy is max with a 30HP motor, but maybe this is enough?
>
> i'm slowly getting excited to finally build. good things come to those that wait!
>
> slloyd
>
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, stephensonhw@... wrote:
>> Phil,
>>
>> Do you mean it is not an instant boat because it is a New Instant Boat, as featured in Payson's second boatbuilding book? Because it is.
>>
>> I think a Diablo would be a lot quicker and easier to build than a Sneakeasy.
>>
>> Howard
>>
>> In a message dated Tue, 3 Jun 2003 4:24:45 PM AEST, Phil Smith<pbs@...> writes:
>>
>>> If you want Bolger's most seaworthy outboard boat I think it would be
>>> either Diablo or Diablo Grande. Phil has written of his own Diablo's
>>> seaworthiness in MAIB and Diablo's ability to handle bad weather and high
>>> seas. Unfortunately for us inexperienced boat builders, Diablo is not an
>>> "instant" boat.
>
>
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The flip is easy :)
for a sneakeasy you need about 5 friends, and lots of food and drinks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyIa2fs07WU
Maximo
for a sneakeasy you need about 5 friends, and lots of food and drinks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyIa2fs07WU
Maximo
wow.. has it only been 9 years? =D
I haven't built this boat yet, but i never forgot about it. i am getting closer to it being a good time in my life to build. now have regular access to an inland lake which only sees waves as created by other boaters.
i am pretty comfortably reading the instant book (and new instant book) and start building. but I am wondering .. how does one flip the boat over to epoxy the inside? at 26' and probably a couple hundred pounds... i will be building outside (under temporary shed, with grass under foot). so i was thinking of dropping in some 6x6 posts and then beam across the top just incase i need a hand with a lift? just a random idea.
my other question .. do you think a sneakeasy could pull a waterski ? i read that sneakeasy is max with a 30HP motor, but maybe this is enough?
i'm slowly getting excited to finally build. good things come to those that wait!
slloyd
I haven't built this boat yet, but i never forgot about it. i am getting closer to it being a good time in my life to build. now have regular access to an inland lake which only sees waves as created by other boaters.
i am pretty comfortably reading the instant book (and new instant book) and start building. but I am wondering .. how does one flip the boat over to epoxy the inside? at 26' and probably a couple hundred pounds... i will be building outside (under temporary shed, with grass under foot). so i was thinking of dropping in some 6x6 posts and then beam across the top just incase i need a hand with a lift? just a random idea.
my other question .. do you think a sneakeasy could pull a waterski ? i read that sneakeasy is max with a 30HP motor, but maybe this is enough?
i'm slowly getting excited to finally build. good things come to those that wait!
slloyd
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, stephensonhw@... wrote:
>
> Phil,
>
> Do you mean it is not an instant boat because it is a New Instant Boat, as featured in Payson's second boatbuilding book? Because it is.
>
> I think a Diablo would be a lot quicker and easier to build than a Sneakeasy.
>
> Howard
>
> In a message dated Tue, 3 Jun 2003 4:24:45 PM AEST, Phil Smith <pbs@...> writes:
>
> >If you want Bolger's most seaworthy outboard boat I think it would be
> >either Diablo or Diablo Grande. Phil has written of his own Diablo's
> >seaworthiness in MAIB and Diablo's ability to handle bad weather and high
> >seas. Unfortunately for us inexperienced boat builders, Diablo is not an
> >"instant" boat.
>
Phil,
Do you mean it is not an instant boat because it is a New Instant Boat, as featured in Payson's second boatbuilding book? Because it is.
I think a Diablo would be a lot quicker and easier to build than a Sneakeasy.
Howard
In a message dated Tue, 3 Jun 2003 4:24:45 PM AEST, Phil Smith <pbs@...> writes:
Do you mean it is not an instant boat because it is a New Instant Boat, as featured in Payson's second boatbuilding book? Because it is.
I think a Diablo would be a lot quicker and easier to build than a Sneakeasy.
Howard
In a message dated Tue, 3 Jun 2003 4:24:45 PM AEST, Phil Smith <pbs@...> writes:
>If you want Bolger's most seaworthy outboard boat I think it would be
>either Diablo or Diablo Grande. Phil has written of his own Diablo's
>seaworthiness in MAIB and Diablo's ability to handle bad weather and high
>seas. Unfortunately for us inexperienced boat builders, Diablo is not an
>"instant" boat.
>3 to 5 feet is perhaps huge for pond boats captains, but it's very veryCheasapeake's a pretty big pond, then. 3 feet is not uncommon but 5
>common on large lakes and at sea.. ;-)
feet takes a good steady 20 knot breeze for 12 to 24 hours (at a
guess), certainly for the middle and upper Bay. I suppose there is a
government site somewhere with average wave heights on the Chesapeake
Bay. I think I'll go see if I can find one.
Also, there are places where the tides and currents build up steeper,
taller waves so it's hard to generalize over the whole Bay. I have
never sailed around the mouth of the Potomac River but that is a
notorious place for getting beat around in the bobble.
And the tides vary a lot, because the Bay is so long. Some places
have one high tide a day, some two, and Annapolis has almost no tide
as there the old ebb and new flow overlap and tend to cancel.
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3 to 5 feet is perhaps huge for pond boats captains, but it's very very
common on large lakes and at sea.. ;-)
I remember tempests on the Leman lake near Geneva which were worth those
you meet at open sea...
Anyway sneakeasy is all but what you need to navigate in conditions such
as these.. unless you like to get wet to the bones or intend to use her
as a wave piercer ;-)
I remember Steve Bosquette gave his one up mainly because of this, after
brainstorming for months on a way to build a deck that would allow him
to stay dry.
--
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haul style, would have to be ENORMOUS to move at planing speeds
through seas that short and big with any degree of comfort.
Could you sneak a Sneakeasy through seas like that at low speed?
Perhaps. But it's not going to be dry, easy or fun (well maybe that
depends on your definition of fun); and the consequences of a mistake
are not trivial.
The easiest solution is build the Sneakeasy, either the flat or
step-hulled version. Then you can enjoy her good looks and grace
under pleasant conditions, and use it's high speed capacity to run
for home at the first sign of weather closing in.
YIBB,
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common on large lakes and at sea.. ;-)
I remember tempests on the Leman lake near Geneva which were worth those
you meet at open sea...
Anyway sneakeasy is all but what you need to navigate in conditions such
as these.. unless you like to get wet to the bones or intend to use her
as a wave piercer ;-)
I remember Steve Bosquette gave his one up mainly because of this, after
brainstorming for months on a way to build a deck that would allow him
to stay dry.
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>3 to 5 feet is a BIG chop.3 to 5 foot chop isn't just big, it's huge. Any boat, regardless of
haul style, would have to be ENORMOUS to move at planing speeds
through seas that short and big with any degree of comfort.
Could you sneak a Sneakeasy through seas like that at low speed?
Perhaps. But it's not going to be dry, easy or fun (well maybe that
depends on your definition of fun); and the consequences of a mistake
are not trivial.
The easiest solution is build the Sneakeasy, either the flat or
step-hulled version. Then you can enjoy her good looks and grace
under pleasant conditions, and use it's high speed capacity to run
for home at the first sign of weather closing in.
YIBB,
David
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I have had a couple of rides in a Sneakeasy, and it's a very nice boat,
but I don't think it would be good in choppy water. That was the simple
version, but 3 to 5 feet is a BIG chop. I'm not sure any planing
outboard is going to be happy with that kind of chop. On smooth water
it's very stable, elegant, and comfortable and moves along at a good
clip on low power. You're not likely to go water skiing, though.
Cost is going to depend very much on what kind of materials you use and
on whether you want to use a small, used motor or a big new motor
(though I don't think you can go very large on Sneakeasy). If I had
bucks and a Sneakeasy I'd want a 4 stroke because they are cleaner and
much quieter.
You might consider building a really minimal boat first to see how you
like building and to make your mistakes where they don't matter as much.
Sneakeasy is simple, but it's a much bigger project than a dinghy or
pirogue. Go look at:
www.instantboats.com and
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jim/michalak.htm
I also recommend the books by Payson (on the first site) and Michalak
(on the second site) to give you an idea of what's involved. The Payson
book is probably available in your library or by interlibrary loan. If
your eventual goal is a Sneakeasy, I'd stick to the boats that use chine
logs instead of "tack and tape" or "stitch and glue" construction. Also,
for this first, minimal boat, go ahead and use cheap materials like
exterior ply. A small boat can be a lot of fun, too. If you don't like
rowing or paddling, you can use a trolling motor or something.
(Outboards tend to weigh down the back and overpower the boat, though
some of these designs are meant for a SMALL motor.)
I don't know how long Sneakeasy takes to build, but I designed and built
a really minimal dinghy in 60 hours or so. A lot of that was designing
and shopping around for materials, or at least that's the way I
remember. I'm not real fast with this kind of thing.
I've never heard of a Sneakeasy kit.
but I don't think it would be good in choppy water. That was the simple
version, but 3 to 5 feet is a BIG chop. I'm not sure any planing
outboard is going to be happy with that kind of chop. On smooth water
it's very stable, elegant, and comfortable and moves along at a good
clip on low power. You're not likely to go water skiing, though.
Cost is going to depend very much on what kind of materials you use and
on whether you want to use a small, used motor or a big new motor
(though I don't think you can go very large on Sneakeasy). If I had
bucks and a Sneakeasy I'd want a 4 stroke because they are cleaner and
much quieter.
You might consider building a really minimal boat first to see how you
like building and to make your mistakes where they don't matter as much.
Sneakeasy is simple, but it's a much bigger project than a dinghy or
pirogue. Go look at:
www.instantboats.com and
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jim/michalak.htm
I also recommend the books by Payson (on the first site) and Michalak
(on the second site) to give you an idea of what's involved. The Payson
book is probably available in your library or by interlibrary loan. If
your eventual goal is a Sneakeasy, I'd stick to the boats that use chine
logs instead of "tack and tape" or "stitch and glue" construction. Also,
for this first, minimal boat, go ahead and use cheap materials like
exterior ply. A small boat can be a lot of fun, too. If you don't like
rowing or paddling, you can use a trolling motor or something.
(Outboards tend to weigh down the back and overpower the boat, though
some of these designs are meant for a SMALL motor.)
I don't know how long Sneakeasy takes to build, but I designed and built
a really minimal dinghy in 60 hours or so. A lot of that was designing
and shopping around for materials, or at least that's the way I
remember. I'm not real fast with this kind of thing.
I've never heard of a Sneakeasy kit.
>In a message dated Sat, 31 May 2003 5:21:00 PM AEST, "ogarianoxman" <slloyd@...> writes:[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>>Hello everyone,
>>
>>I am thinking of building a boat, for the first time. I have no
>>experience - but learn quickly ;)
>>I am really liking the Sneakeasy boat and was wondering if anyone
>>has built this model? I have found several web links around the net
>>that describe people's experience, but i do not see answers to these
>>questions:
>>
>>- how much, after all is said & done, does construction of this boat
>>cost?
>>- how easy is this model to build for a first timer?
>>- how does this boat perform in choppy water (i plan to use it on a
>>lake that sometimes sees 3 - 5 feet waves)
>>- how long does it take to build?
>>
>>can anyone recommend a place to purchase plans and/or a kit for this
>>boat? Canadian links would be appreciated
>>
>>thanks for your input
>>slloyd
>
>3. This is not a boat to take out in a 5 ft. chop. I'd reckon itMost - or all - boats I own are not boats for a 5 ft chop! I am sure
>would be pretty uncomfortable in waves more 18 inches high and
>dangerous once you got to 3 ft, possibly less. Either plan to stay
>home when the weather is like that, or look for a completely
>different design.
the Sneakeasy could handle a 5 ft chop but you had best go very, very
slowly.
Sharpies are not unseaworthy boats, but power sharpies of this sort
are not meant for bashing through 20-30mph winds and 5 ft chop (as in
for example today on the Chesapeake). The windage would likely get
you before the chop did.
The chop issue is supposed to be addressed by the "box keel version"
which Greg Carlson built. This boat will handle rougher ("rougher"
being in quotes, nad not meaning 5 ft chop) waters at better speed...
it's marginally harder to build but Greg seemed to have found it
pretty straightforward.
I've ridden out some 2-3 foot chop in an Oldshoe. Very wet! But I
didn't feel like the boat was going to drown me, at least not by
sinking. I've hit a couple 5 ft "rogue chop" waves in a Ranger 23.
Really uncomfortable. I would not want to be out in that in anything.
All of this nasty stuff is in the mouth of the Chester River on the
Chesapeake where current and tide can be against a 20-some mile fetch
out of the Northwest and a lumpy, shoaling bottom to boot.
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I have been holding back on this one, David pretty well covers my
thoughts. As far as cost goes, find out what all the materials cost the
way your going to build it, there are varying levels of materials that
you can use. Account for every thing that you can think of and price
those materials locally. Add 50% more if you think you did a good job,
double it if you didn't and that might be what it costs. That is why
nobody has given you a dollar amount, it is a big variable.
Check out Fritz Funk's site at
http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Sneakeasy/Sneakeasy.htm
He might be able to tell you what it cost him.
We get 70+ knot storms here and waves a lot bigger than 3-5 ft.
Fritz doesn't go out in that.
HJ
David Ryan wrote:
thoughts. As far as cost goes, find out what all the materials cost the
way your going to build it, there are varying levels of materials that
you can use. Account for every thing that you can think of and price
those materials locally. Add 50% more if you think you did a good job,
double it if you didn't and that might be what it costs. That is why
nobody has given you a dollar amount, it is a big variable.
Check out Fritz Funk's site at
http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Sneakeasy/Sneakeasy.htm
He might be able to tell you what it cost him.
We get 70+ knot storms here and waves a lot bigger than 3-5 ft.
Fritz doesn't go out in that.
HJ
David Ryan wrote:
>>3 to 5 feet is a BIG chop.
>>
>>
>
>3 to 5 foot chop isn't just big, it's huge. Any boat, regardless of
>haul style, would have to be ENORMOUS to move at planing speeds
>through seas that short and big with any degree of comfort.
>
>Could you sneak a Sneakeasy through seas like that at low speed?
>Perhaps. But it's not going to be dry, easy or fun (well maybe that
>depends on your definition of fun); and the consequences of a mistake
>are not trivial.
>
>The easiest solution is build the Sneakeasy, either the flat or
>step-hulled version. Then you can enjoy her good looks and grace
>under pleasant conditions, and use it's high speed capacity to run
>for home at the first sign of weather closing in.
>
>YIBB,
>
>David
>
>
>3 to 5 feet is a BIG chop.3 to 5 foot chop isn't just big, it's huge. Any boat, regardless of
haul style, would have to be ENORMOUS to move at planing speeds
through seas that short and big with any degree of comfort.
Could you sneak a Sneakeasy through seas like that at low speed?
Perhaps. But it's not going to be dry, easy or fun (well maybe that
depends on your definition of fun); and the consequences of a mistake
are not trivial.
The easiest solution is build the Sneakeasy, either the flat or
step-hulled version. Then you can enjoy her good looks and grace
under pleasant conditions, and use it's high speed capacity to run
for home at the first sign of weather closing in.
YIBB,
David
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G'day slloyd
Hunt out a copy of Bolger's book "Boats with an Open Mind"
(BWOAM). And make yourself very comfortable.
Both variants of Sneakeasy are there. Based on PB's text, and
given the chop on your lake, the basic Sneakeasy would likely
be a Bad Idea. You might just get away with the stepped version,
but choosing a different boat would probably be wiser again.
You might like to consider "Slicer", also in BWAOM . In the
notes, PB states that it was designed "to cleave the chop elegantly"
on a lake. Can't give you any idea on costs. My tastes run to
smaller vessels, although I have been caught drooling over
Birdwatcher. And Scooner. And Sneakeasy. And Bright Star.
And...
cheers
Alan J.
Sth.Aust.
In a message dated Sat, 31 May 2003 5:21:00 PM AEST, <slloyd@...>
writes:
Hunt out a copy of Bolger's book "Boats with an Open Mind"
(BWOAM). And make yourself very comfortable.
Both variants of Sneakeasy are there. Based on PB's text, and
given the chop on your lake, the basic Sneakeasy would likely
be a Bad Idea. You might just get away with the stepped version,
but choosing a different boat would probably be wiser again.
You might like to consider "Slicer", also in BWAOM . In the
notes, PB states that it was designed "to cleave the chop elegantly"
on a lake. Can't give you any idea on costs. My tastes run to
smaller vessels, although I have been caught drooling over
Birdwatcher. And Scooner. And Sneakeasy. And Bright Star.
And...
cheers
Alan J.
Sth.Aust.
In a message dated Sat, 31 May 2003 5:21:00 PM AEST, <slloyd@...>
writes:
>Hello everyone,
>
>I am thinking of building a boat, for the first time. I have no
>experience - but learn quickly ;)
>I am really liking the Sneakeasy boat and was wondering if anyone
>has built this model? I have found several web links around the net
>that describe people's experience, but i do not see answers to these
>questions:
>
>- how much, after all is said & done, does construction of this boat
>cost?
>- how easy is this model to build for a first timer?
>- how does this boat perform in choppy water (i plan to use it on a
>lake that sometimes sees 3 - 5 feet waves)
>- how long does it take to build?
>
>can anyone recommend a place to purchase plans and/or a kit for this
>boat? Canadian links would be appreciated
>
>thanks for your input
>slloyd
There is a nice step-by-step page on a Sneakeasy building project and several nice photos at www.carlsondesign.com/sneakeasy.html
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Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 4:21 AM
Subject: [bolger] Bolger's Sneakeasy
Hello everyone,
I am thinking of building a boat, for the first time. I have no
experience - but learn quickly ;)
I am really liking the Sneakeasy boat and was wondering if anyone
has built this model? I have found several web links around the net
that describe people's experience, but i do not see answers to these
questions:
- how much, after all is said & done, does construction of this boat
cost?
- how easy is this model to build for a first timer?
- how does this boat perform in choppy water (i plan to use it on a
lake that sometimes sees 3 - 5 feet waves)
- how long does it take to build?
can anyone recommend a place to purchase plans and/or a kit for this
boat? Canadian links would be appreciated
thanks for your input
slloyd
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Hi Slloyd,
I have no experience with Sneakeasy but have studied the design many times. Others who know more than I do might be able to add to, or correct, the following:
1. Someone once said that if you have to ask how much it costs to race a big yacht, you can't afford it. Maybe building a boat for yourself is a bit like that. As a start, you could buy a set of plans from Dynamite Payson. His website is: www.instantboats.com/ One or two of his boat-building books would be very useful. Someone might be able to say whether Instant Boats or New Instant Boats would be the better choice for this project. Seeing the plans might allow you to guesstimate how much material you will need: ply, timber, fasteners, resin, fibreglass, filler, paint or varnish, hardware, a windscreen etc. Then there will be a motor plus controls, most likely a trailer and maybe woodworking tools. Quite a few thousand dollars in all.
2. This boat should be no more difficult to build than many smaller plywood boats. It is, after all, just a box stretched out to a point at one end and a wedge at the other. Try to find someone nearby with boatbuilding experience who can help you, not necessarily with the actual work, but at least with advice on how to tackle the various tasks. Looking through the different www stories on building Sneakeasy would help you too.
3. This is not a boat to take out in a 5 ft. chop. I'd reckon it would be pretty uncomfortable in waves more 18 inches high and dangerous once you got to 3 ft, possibly less. Either plan to stay home when the weather is like that, or look for a completely different design.
4. How long it will take to build depends on many factors. Have a look at some of the construction stories on the web to get some idea. But it will take a lot longer than you might think.
Hope this helps.
Howard
In a message dated Sat, 31 May 2003 5:21:00 PM AEST, "ogarianoxman" <slloyd@...> writes:
I have no experience with Sneakeasy but have studied the design many times. Others who know more than I do might be able to add to, or correct, the following:
1. Someone once said that if you have to ask how much it costs to race a big yacht, you can't afford it. Maybe building a boat for yourself is a bit like that. As a start, you could buy a set of plans from Dynamite Payson. His website is: www.instantboats.com/ One or two of his boat-building books would be very useful. Someone might be able to say whether Instant Boats or New Instant Boats would be the better choice for this project. Seeing the plans might allow you to guesstimate how much material you will need: ply, timber, fasteners, resin, fibreglass, filler, paint or varnish, hardware, a windscreen etc. Then there will be a motor plus controls, most likely a trailer and maybe woodworking tools. Quite a few thousand dollars in all.
2. This boat should be no more difficult to build than many smaller plywood boats. It is, after all, just a box stretched out to a point at one end and a wedge at the other. Try to find someone nearby with boatbuilding experience who can help you, not necessarily with the actual work, but at least with advice on how to tackle the various tasks. Looking through the different www stories on building Sneakeasy would help you too.
3. This is not a boat to take out in a 5 ft. chop. I'd reckon it would be pretty uncomfortable in waves more 18 inches high and dangerous once you got to 3 ft, possibly less. Either plan to stay home when the weather is like that, or look for a completely different design.
4. How long it will take to build depends on many factors. Have a look at some of the construction stories on the web to get some idea. But it will take a lot longer than you might think.
Hope this helps.
Howard
In a message dated Sat, 31 May 2003 5:21:00 PM AEST, "ogarianoxman" <slloyd@...> writes:
>Hello everyone,
>
>I am thinking of building a boat, for the first time. I have no
>experience - but learn quickly ;)
>I am really liking the Sneakeasy boat and was wondering if anyone
>has built this model? I have found several web links around the net
>that describe people's experience, but i do not see answers to these
>questions:
>
>- how much, after all is said & done, does construction of this boat
>cost?
>- how easy is this model to build for a first timer?
>- how does this boat perform in choppy water (i plan to use it on a
>lake that sometimes sees 3 - 5 feet waves)
>- how long does it take to build?
>
>can anyone recommend a place to purchase plans and/or a kit for this
>boat? Canadian links would be appreciated
>
>thanks for your input
>slloyd
>
>
>
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