Re: [bolger] Marine ply question
If you have a friend or acquaintance who lives near a source of marine
plywood, you could send them the necessary money and ask them to purchase a piece,
cut it into two foot by sixteen inch rectangles, stack them, package them and
mail them to you. I'm assuming here that your kayak has a beam no more than
two feet and a hull depth of no more than sixteen inches. Might be relatively
inexpensive and it moots the question of an alternative plywood.
plywood, you could send them the necessary money and ask them to purchase a piece,
cut it into two foot by sixteen inch rectangles, stack them, package them and
mail them to you. I'm assuming here that your kayak has a beam no more than
two feet and a hull depth of no more than sixteen inches. Might be relatively
inexpensive and it moots the question of an alternative plywood.
I'm not a disciple of Dave Carnell. Dave Carnell has a propensity for
pontificating about paint and plywood. Marine plywood should be coated
no differently than what I mentioned in my reply to the question if
you want longevity.
When you factor in travel or shipping, marine plywood is a hell of a
lot more expensive. I would personally drive the 200 miles to get
marine plywood (but not douglasfir). Marine ply may not delaminate
without epoxy but the plies will go to pot eventually. The main
criteria are glues, voids and waterproofing.
Bob Chamberland
pontificating about paint and plywood. Marine plywood should be coated
no differently than what I mentioned in my reply to the question if
you want longevity.
When you factor in travel or shipping, marine plywood is a hell of a
lot more expensive. I would personally drive the 200 miles to get
marine plywood (but not douglasfir). Marine ply may not delaminate
without epoxy but the plies will go to pot eventually. The main
criteria are glues, voids and waterproofing.
Bob Chamberland
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "james fuller" <james@p...> wrote:
>
> As Dave Carnel says, it still won't be marine plywood but it will
cost as
> much.
>
> james fuller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RDChamberland [mailto:cha62759@t...]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 10:47 AM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Marine ply question
>
>
> If it is out of the question to have marine plywood shipped in then go
> with what is available.
>
> If "good" exterior is available use it. AFTER you cut out the frames
> coat both sides with 2 or 3 coats of epoxy-no additives. If there are
> any voids showing on the edges, pour epoxy in the voids until they
> won't take any more. Then 2 or 3 coats to seal the edges. You should
> be just fine though a little heavier than Brynzeel. If you have to use
> the luan underlayment with the thin outer plies follow the same
> procedure however the inner ply is going to carry the load so make
> sure you run the grain of the inner ply to best advantage.
> Bob Chamberland
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sojourner_ix" <sojourner_ix@y...> wrote:
> > Well my next boat I have run into a problem.
> > My local supplier has stopped selling Marine ply !!
> > I need it to make frames for my kayak..
> > What alternative ply can I use and what is best method of
> > sealing it??
> > Its out of the question to have marine ply shipped in {one sheet}
> > And its over 200 miles to the closest place I can get any {out of the
> > question}
> >
> > Will good exterior work??
>
>
>
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>Well my next boat I have run into a problem.Find some MDO (material used for outdoor signs). it's plywood.
>My local supplier has stopped selling Marine ply !!
>I need it to make frames for my kayak..
>What alternative ply can I use and what is best method of
>sealing it??
>Its out of the question to have marine ply shipped in {one sheet}
>And its over 200 miles to the closest place I can get any {out of the
>question}
>
>Will good exterior work??
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I have been using some five-ply 1/4" birch underlayment which is rated for moisture resistance. Problem is it comes in 4X5 sheets which requires a scarpheven for the shortest boats. It's great for other parts. Nice quality for around ten bucks at Menards here in South Dakota. I've laminated it for transoms to take outboards. Hefty. It will always be coated so I'm not worrying. Also, I did the Dave Carnell water/sun test and it shrugged off any attempt to affect it. No voids either.
----- Original Message -----
From: james fuller
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Marine ply question
As Dave Carnel says, it still won't be marine plywood but it will cost as
much.
james fuller
-----Original Message-----
From: RDChamberland [mailto:cha62759@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 10:47 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Marine ply question
If it is out of the question to have marine plywood shipped in then go
with what is available.
If "good" exterior is available use it. AFTER you cut out the frames
coat both sides with 2 or 3 coats of epoxy-no additives. If there are
any voids showing on the edges, pour epoxy in the voids until they
won't take any more. Then 2 or 3 coats to seal the edges. You should
be just fine though a little heavier than Brynzeel. If you have to use
the luan underlayment with the thin outer plies follow the same
procedure however the inner ply is going to carry the load so make
sure you run the grain of the inner ply to best advantage.
Bob Chamberland
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sojourner_ix" <sojourner_ix@y...> wrote:
> Well my next boat I have run into a problem.
> My local supplier has stopped selling Marine ply !!
> I need it to make frames for my kayak..
> What alternative ply can I use and what is best method of
> sealing it??
> Its out of the question to have marine ply shipped in {one sheet}
> And its over 200 miles to the closest place I can get any {out of the
> question}
>
> Will good exterior work??
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As Dave Carnel says, it still won't be marine plywood but it will cost as
much.
james fuller
-----Original Message-----
From: RDChamberland [mailto:cha62759@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 10:47 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Marine ply question
If it is out of the question to have marine plywood shipped in then go
with what is available.
If "good" exterior is available use it. AFTER you cut out the frames
coat both sides with 2 or 3 coats of epoxy-no additives. If there are
any voids showing on the edges, pour epoxy in the voids until they
won't take any more. Then 2 or 3 coats to seal the edges. You should
be just fine though a little heavier than Brynzeel. If you have to use
the luan underlayment with the thin outer plies follow the same
procedure however the inner ply is going to carry the load so make
sure you run the grain of the inner ply to best advantage.
Bob Chamberland
much.
james fuller
-----Original Message-----
From: RDChamberland [mailto:cha62759@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 10:47 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Marine ply question
If it is out of the question to have marine plywood shipped in then go
with what is available.
If "good" exterior is available use it. AFTER you cut out the frames
coat both sides with 2 or 3 coats of epoxy-no additives. If there are
any voids showing on the edges, pour epoxy in the voids until they
won't take any more. Then 2 or 3 coats to seal the edges. You should
be just fine though a little heavier than Brynzeel. If you have to use
the luan underlayment with the thin outer plies follow the same
procedure however the inner ply is going to carry the load so make
sure you run the grain of the inner ply to best advantage.
Bob Chamberland
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sojourner_ix" <sojourner_ix@y...> wrote:
> Well my next boat I have run into a problem.
> My local supplier has stopped selling Marine ply !!
> I need it to make frames for my kayak..
> What alternative ply can I use and what is best method of
> sealing it??
> Its out of the question to have marine ply shipped in {one sheet}
> And its over 200 miles to the closest place I can get any {out of the
> question}
>
> Will good exterior work??
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If it is out of the question to have marine plywood shipped in then go
with what is available.
If "good" exterior is available use it. AFTER you cut out the frames
coat both sides with 2 or 3 coats of epoxy-no additives. If there are
any voids showing on the edges, pour epoxy in the voids until they
won't take any more. Then 2 or 3 coats to seal the edges. You should
be just fine though a little heavier than Brynzeel. If you have to use
the luan underlayment with the thin outer plies follow the same
procedure however the inner ply is going to carry the load so make
sure you run the grain of the inner ply to best advantage.
Bob Chamberland
with what is available.
If "good" exterior is available use it. AFTER you cut out the frames
coat both sides with 2 or 3 coats of epoxy-no additives. If there are
any voids showing on the edges, pour epoxy in the voids until they
won't take any more. Then 2 or 3 coats to seal the edges. You should
be just fine though a little heavier than Brynzeel. If you have to use
the luan underlayment with the thin outer plies follow the same
procedure however the inner ply is going to carry the load so make
sure you run the grain of the inner ply to best advantage.
Bob Chamberland
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sojourner_ix" <sojourner_ix@y...> wrote:
> Well my next boat I have run into a problem.
> My local supplier has stopped selling Marine ply !!
> I need it to make frames for my kayak..
> What alternative ply can I use and what is best method of
> sealing it??
> Its out of the question to have marine ply shipped in {one sheet}
> And its over 200 miles to the closest place I can get any {out of the
> question}
>
> Will good exterior work??
It's Harbor Plywood in Suidlersville, MD. They used to be in Baltimore.
Paul
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark A." <marka@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Marine ply question
>
> > Try googling up 'marine plywood' and watch for Noah's, Harbor Sales,
EdenSaw, Flounder
> > Bay, WestWind et al.
>
>
> Harbor Sales isn't right. Two other big real ones are Boulter and ML
Condon. All put it on
> a truck to you.
> Mark
>
>
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>
> Try googling up 'marine plywood' and watch for Noah's, Harbor Sales, EdenSaw, FlounderHarbor Sales isn't right. Two other big real ones are Boulter and ML Condon. All put it on
> Bay, WestWind et al.
a truck to you.
Mark
Lots of places will ship it UPS if you're looking for Meranti (Philippine) or African
mahogany. Shipping isn't too bad either, compared to the cost of a boat, if you pay
attention to geography.
Try googling up 'marine plywood' and watch for Noah's, Harbor Sales, EdenSaw, Flounder
Bay, WestWind et al.
Good hunting,
Mark
sojourner_ix wrote:
mahogany. Shipping isn't too bad either, compared to the cost of a boat, if you pay
attention to geography.
Try googling up 'marine plywood' and watch for Noah's, Harbor Sales, EdenSaw, Flounder
Bay, WestWind et al.
Good hunting,
Mark
sojourner_ix wrote:
>
> Well my next boat I have run into a problem.
> My local supplier has stopped selling Marine ply !!
> I need it to make frames for my kayak..
> What alternative ply can I use and what is best method of
> sealing it??
> Its out of the question to have marine ply shipped in {one sheet}
> And its over 200 miles to the closest place I can get any {out of the
> question}
>
> Will good exterior work??
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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All ply in the US is made with waterproof glue I understand. Anymore the only thing that distinguishes marine ply is that there are guaranteed no voids internally. If you don't mind filling voids with epoxy, use regular A/B exterior ply and save sme money. A thin mix epoxy will fill those voids or if you want to spend some extra monet, a product called "GitRot" is even thinner. Then seal the end grains with regular epoxy and you're home free. My Chebacco is all made of 1/2 insh A/B ply.
----- Original Message -----
From: sojourner_ix
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:38 PM
Subject: [bolger] Marine ply question
Well my next boat I have run into a problem.
My local supplier has stopped selling Marine ply !!
I need it to make frames for my kayak..
What alternative ply can I use and what is best method of
sealing it??
Its out of the question to have marine ply shipped in {one sheet}
And its over 200 miles to the closest place I can get any {out of the
question}
Will good exterior work??
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Well my next boat I have run into a problem.
My local supplier has stopped selling Marine ply !!
I need it to make frames for my kayak..
What alternative ply can I use and what is best method of
sealing it??
Its out of the question to have marine ply shipped in {one sheet}
And its over 200 miles to the closest place I can get any {out of the
question}
Will good exterior work??
My local supplier has stopped selling Marine ply !!
I need it to make frames for my kayak..
What alternative ply can I use and what is best method of
sealing it??
Its out of the question to have marine ply shipped in {one sheet}
And its over 200 miles to the closest place I can get any {out of the
question}
Will good exterior work??