Re: Today's Test: http://fishyfish.com/abandoned.html
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...>
wrote:
lawrence. you must be getting Fogetful.
also no mention of his shoe size!
Paul
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> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, steveoh <steveoh@f...> wrote:the
> > Today's test. Who's the designer of this abandoned boat?
> >
> >http://fishyfish.com/abandoned.html
>
> Jean Charles Michaud(1937-1984). after leading a life devoted to
> study of mating rituals of the New Zealand glow worm and unable toan
> secure the chair at La Sabourne,Jean Charles abandoned further
> academic study. Relocated to Glens Falls(NY) after meeting up with
> American art student,Trish Campbell.Dabbled briefly in oils,clayand
> papier maché.In 1979,took correspondence course from Westlawndragged
> Institute.
> This boat is the only known design of Jean Charles Michaud and his
> only attempt at commercial designing.Shortly after relaesing this
> plan for sale through Mechanics Illustrated( I think), he was
> through the courts and sued for plagerism. His life came to a quickaround
> end when Trish discovered J.C.(as he was know locally) rolling
> with her half sister Betty.He was shot through the skull 3 times.Peter , You fogot to add the bit about the shores of the St
> This design was called the Carribean Tern.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Sincerely,
> Peter L.
lawrence. you must be getting Fogetful.
also no mention of his shoe size!
Paul
My guess is Sam Devlin's "Nancy's China". It has the right "tortured
ply" stitch and glue hull shape, and looks to be about the right
size... from the scale of the trailer tire. But if it is an NC, the
builder altered the cabin shape a bit... perhaps to simplify the
application of the roof, or get a bit more room inside.
Did I win? What do I get, the boat? Ha! Rich.
ply" stitch and glue hull shape, and looks to be about the right
size... from the scale of the trailer tire. But if it is an NC, the
builder altered the cabin shape a bit... perhaps to simplify the
application of the roof, or get a bit more room inside.
Did I win? What do I get, the boat? Ha! Rich.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, steveoh <steveoh@f...> wrote:
> Today's test. Who's the designer of this abandoned boat?
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>http://fishyfish.com/abandoned.html
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> > 1. Re: Sprit sail rig
> > From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@f...>
> > 2. Re: Articles re: Sprit sails
> > From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@f...>
> > 3. Rend lake messabout direction?
> > From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
> > 4. Re: Re: Sprit Sail rig/Topsails
> > From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@f...>
> > 5. Re: Rend lake messabout direction?
> > From: "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...>
> > 6. Re: Marine ply question
> > From: samaboat@a...
> > 7. Re: Rend lake messabout direction?
> > From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
> > 8. Re: Instant Boat
> > From: "widebody22" <David.Nolan@m...>
> > 9. Re: Re: abandoned AS-29 in the Florida Keys...
> > From: Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@r...>
> > 10. met fellow bolger list member
> > From: "Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@r...>
> > 11. Re: abandoned AS-29 in the Florida Keys...
> > From: "sanmi" <sanmi@y...>
> > 12. Mystic!!!
> > From: "choochawaga" <soulinvictus@c...>
> > 13. Re: abandoned AS-29 in the Florida Keys...
> > From: "proto957" <helio6@h...>
> > 14. Re: met fellow bolger list member
> > From: "sals_dad" <sals_dad@b...>
> > 15. Re: met fellow bolger list member
> > From: "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...>
> > 16. Revised BOTTOM FLIP date for WINDERMERE
> > From: "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...>
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> > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:11:01 -0400
> > From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@f...>
> > Subject: Re: Sprit sail rig
> >
> >> A line running down to the clew isn't likely to gather the sprit
to
> >> the mast; instead, it would simply fold up part of the sail,
while
> >> leaving the sprit in place.
> >>
> >> In looking through John Leather's book, the only drawings
showing a
> >> line from the top of the mast to the clew are drawings of
spritsails
> >> with a boom, and the text doesn't seem to explain what the line
is
> >> for.
> >
> > Could be a topping lift to keep the boom up.
> >
> > More likely it's a brail as used on the Delaware Ducker, which
raises
> > the boom and sail.
> > --
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> > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:53:16 -0400
> > From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@f...>
> > Subject: Re: Articles re: Sprit sails
> >
> >> There is also mention of an article about sprit rig basics
> >> in WB no. 89 which I don't have to hand, but the issue is
available.
> >> Honest John
> >
> > I can probably scan & email you this. Contact me offllist.
> > --
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> > Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:32:48 -0000
> > From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
> > Subject: Rend lake messabout direction?
> >
> > Can someone post driving directions to thr Rend Lake messabout?
And
> > the exact name of the campground so I can plug it into Mapquest?
> >
> > I was trying to get "Twisted Seagull" ready, but I'm just not
gonna'
> > make it, so I'm taking some photos of a 90% completed Welsford
> > Seagull, and throwing the "Ada E", my wife's Bolger Nymph in ther
> > back of the truck. If there's room I'll toss in the world's
ugliest
> > Payson Pirogue also.
> >
> > We're heading out this afternoon, if I've got the directions.
> >
> > See ya'all there.
> >
> > Bruce and Elaine Hector
> >
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:39:52 -0400
> > From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@f...>
> > Subject: Re: Re: Sprit Sail rig/Topsails
> >
> >> I'd go with the latter and, indeed, I'm probably going to make
a
> >> similar
> >> setup for my boat someday, because it's a slug in light breezes.
In
> >> both
> >> cases, the topsail sheet would go through a hole in the peak of
the
> >> sprit,
> >> or a small block or fairlead mounted there, and back to a cleat
near
> >> the
> >> heel of the sprit.
> >
> > Fishing boats in North Carolina used a topsail over spritsail as
part
> > of the normal rig; they had long poles on which the topsail was
tied,
> > and then the poles were lashed to the mast. I don't have much more
> > detail than this however.
> >
> > The Cheap Pages (somewhere - use the search function) have a link
to
> > Conor O'Brien's simplified gaff-topsail, which may be adaptable
to a
> > spritsail with a little thought. His point is that the topsail
must
> > be attached and raised with the main down - as opposed to the big
> > boat style of sending the topsail "up". This is sensible on a
small
> > boat or one without a host of burly fishermen on board to do all
this
> > "rig"amarole and amounts to reefing before leaving the beach or
dock.
> > --
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:36:23 -0500
> > From: "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...>
> > Subject: Re: Rend lake messabout direction?
> >
> >> From JM's site:
> > THE 14TH ANNUAL MIDWEST HOMEBUILT BOAT MESSABOUT will take place
at
> > Rend
> > Lake in Southern Illinois on the weekend of June 7 and 8. Lots
of
> > folks come
> > on Friday and leave early Sunday. Take I-57 to exit 77W and then
> > follow the
> > signs to the Gun Creek Recreation Area. Camping at this Corps of
> > Engineers
> > facility is $10/night and that includes the ramp fee. There is
no
> > schedule
> > of events except a pot luck dinner in the campground on Saturday
> > evening- we
> > wing it. This year some of us have reserved the campsites on the
water
> > of
> > the two middle camping loops so look for us there if we aren't at
the
> > boat
> > ramp.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
> > To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 7:32 AM
> > Subject: [bolger] Rend lake messabout direction?
> >
> >
> >> Can someone post driving directions to thr Rend Lake messabout?
And
> >> the exact name of the campground so I can plug it into Mapquest?
> >>
> >> I was trying to get "Twisted Seagull" ready, but I'm just not
gonna'
> >> make it, so I'm taking some photos of a 90% completed Welsford
> >> Seagull, and throwing the "Ada E", my wife's Bolger Nymph in ther
> >> back of the truck. If there's room I'll toss in the world's
ugliest
> >> Payson Pirogue also.
> >>
> >> We're heading out this afternoon, if I've got the directions.
> >>
> >> See ya'all there.
> >>
> >> Bruce and Elaine Hector
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> > Message: 6
> > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:47:14 EDT
> > From: samaboat@a...
> > Subject: Re: Marine ply question
> >
> > If you have a friend or acquaintance who lives near a source of
marine
> > plywood, you could send them the necessary money and ask them to
> > purchase a piece,
> > cut it into two foot by sixteen inch rectangles, stack them,
package
> > them and
> > mail them to you. I'm assuming here that your kayak has a beam
no
> > more than
> > two feet and a hull depth of no more than sixteen inches. Might
be
> > relatively
> > inexpensive and it moots the question of an alternative plywood.
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> > Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 13:51:38 -0000
> > From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
> > Subject: Re: Rend lake messabout direction?
> >
> > Thanks Richard,
> >
> > We're heading out around noon today, s/b around Detroit overnight
and
> > arrive Rend Lake Friday night. We'll be staying in a motel, but
will
> > bring folding chairs to sit around the fire and gam boats.
> >
> > Bring a Nymph and/or Pirogue plus very recent photos of my
Seagull.
> >
> > Is there a prize from longest drive?
> >
> > Bruce Hector
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> > Message: 8
> > Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:16:35 -0000
> > From: "widebody22" <David.Nolan@m...>
> > Subject: Re: Instant Boat
> >
> > I have built two boats in my lifetime. 15' Diablo and a 22"
Tolman
> > Widebody. Both are great boats. Diablo was used when I was young
> > and with less common sense, and took it in the ocean often, even
at
> > night. I didn't know better at tthe time 1986, and used polyester
> > resin. Widebody was built with Marine fir plywood and epoxy.
It'll
> > last a lifetime with a bit of care. It catches fish too. Lots.
> >
> > Took a month in my backyard in 1986 for Diablo, about a year in a
> > carport for the Tolman in a carport. Have to wait on good weather
> > for glassing.
> >
> > DavidTanya@a..., Brick NJ
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "gssparhawk" <gssparhawk@s...>
wrote:
> >> 'Just finished a Diablo hull. Two long days with able, goal-
> > oriented, adult sons got her put together. Another two for
sheathing,
> > painting, rub strips and we put an OB on her and took off on box
> > seats. That's pretty "instant".
> >>
> >> Now for the "grande" with center console and cuddy.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: sctree
> >> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 3:32 PM
> >> Subject: [bolger] Instant Boat
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't think the "instant" had much to do with the ease of
> > building.
> >> Rather, the "instant" comes from having a pile of oddly shaped
> > plywood
> >> panels that can be quickly assembled into something the average
> > person
> >> recognizes as a boat.
> >>
> >> Comes from a time when the typical wood boat slowly grew from
> > lofting,
> >> jig building, timbers, molds, frames, plank patterns, deck
beams,
> > etc......
> >>
> >> Rick
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bruce Hector wrote:
> >>
> >>> I must beg to differ, Diablo most certainly is an instant boat,
> > and
> >>> very suitable for the first time builder.
> >>>
> >>> She is featured in Payson's "Build The New Instant Boats" and
> > is the
> >>> first boat I built. Well actually we built her and a Nymph at
> > the
> >>> same time.
> >>>
> >>> Diablo went together easily, easier than the severe bends on the
> >>> Nymph and nailing to Nymphs skinny little 1/4 inch frames
> > (until I
> >>> figured out what Dyanamite meant by adding scraps to them, she
> > now
> >>> has a couple of broken hockey sticks permanently bonded to all
> > her
> >>> frames!) We added a bow floatation chamber and a short deck to
> >>> enclose a small gear locker.
> >>>
> >>> My Diablo "Diabla", which means "she devil" is featured at my
> > boat
> >>> page
> >>>http://www.brucesboats.com
> >>>
> >>> As to her seaworthyness, that she is. But not at speed, in rough
> >>> water or even crossing a wake at plane she'll leap right out of
> > the
> >>> water and come down with a jarring thump. Makes me worry about
> > the
> >>> strength of the 1/4" sides where they join the bottom, or at
> > the hard
> >>> chine. She also is sensitive to trim, especially lateral trim.
> > With
> >>> her flat bottom being only 2 feet wide, you've got to scrunch
> > towards
> >>> the centre or fly with a list. Lots of reserve stability with
> > that
> >>> beautiful sweeping sheer and raised stern.
> >>>
> >>> Consider the 18' Diablo Grande, built open and strong like a
> > Tolman,
> >>> that would be an instant boat, able to survive his eams.
> >>>
> >>> Just my two cents worths, I love my "Diabla".
> >>>
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> > Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 10:44:32 -0700
> > From: Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@r...>
> > Subject: Re: Re: abandoned AS-29 in the Florida Keys...
> >
> > If you're going to go that route, I have one that can make ANY
Bolger
> > boat that you can stand in a carrier, at least in calm enough
weather.
> > I
> > can catch it in my hand or land on maybe a 3X3 piece of ply with
> > arrestor cables if I add a hook, and maybe if I don't. Much
cheaper.
> > Craig O'Donnell wrote:
> >
> >> I think you might just put a small inboard Honda engine and fly
1/24
> >> scale R/C planes off it.
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> > Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 21:12:35 -0000
> > From: "Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@r...>
> > Subject: met fellow bolger list member
> >
> > Was biking by boat launch in town and someone was launching a neat
> > looking sharpie. Stopped to talk for a while and discovered he
was on
> > this list. Had to run, but did not discover in a quick look at the
> > member list. Hoping Curtis will send me a note to: lincolnr at
rcn.com
> > particularly if he wants Brick ride.
> > Must run again.
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> > Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:03:01 -0000
> > From: "sanmi" <sanmi@y...>
> > Subject: Re: abandoned AS-29 in the Florida Keys...
> >
> > Funny thing is -- I don't see any slots for the bilge board.
> > Is it just the glare? And it doesn't look like there is a place
for
> > the boom gallows. It looks like this boat was never meant to be
> > sailed.
> >
> > Rich do you have any other pictures?
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "proto957" <helio6@h...> wrote:
> >> My friend Duane, who lives in the Keys (lucky guy) says this AS-
29
> >> has been sunk in about 3 feet of water on a key near Nest Key
since
> >> last October. He used to see the boat anchored out from MM 99 in
> > Key
> >> Largo, but thinks it was moved to the mangroves at it's present
> >> location to avoid a hurricane. Here is a pic of the boat:
> >>http://www.put.com/~proto57/abandonedAS29.jpg
> >>
> >> Is this one of Paul Foctberg's fleet? Anyone know about this
boat?
> >> Duane says there are some holes in the deck, and he figures it's
> >> probably got some rot, as it has been filled with rainwater
about 8
> >> months. Rich SantaColoma
> >
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> > Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:15:03 -0000
> > From: "choochawaga" <soulinvictus@c...>
> > Subject: Mystic!!!
> >
> > Hope to see you all there this weekend!!!
> >
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> > Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 23:06:30 -0000
> > From: "proto957" <helio6@h...>
> > Subject: Re: abandoned AS-29 in the Florida Keys...
> >
> > Those are good points, Frank... and it may explain in part why we
> > don't see tabernacles, either. I would think that someone would
> > choose another design (Tennesee?) if they wanted a cruising
> > motorboat, but I don't think the AS-29 would be all that bad in
that
> > role, anyway...
> >
> > But I would be curious to see more pictures, so I'll write to
Duane,
> > and see if he can either send some, or post some here. It can't be
> > too much of a chore to wander the Keys taking pictures!
> >
> > He downloaded my 3D AS-29 for Virtual Sailor (that's how he
> > recognized it)... but I did not put openings on the deck for the
> > bilge boards on my model... so it would not have ocurred to him.
Rich.
> >
> > The Chum Bucket:
> >http://www.angelfire.com/space/proto57/
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sanmi" <sanmi@y...> wrote:
> >> Funny thing is -- I don't see any slots for the bilge board.
> >> Is it just the glare? And it doesn't look like there is a place
> > for
> >> the boom gallows. It looks like this boat was never meant to be
> >> sailed.
> >>
> >> Rich do you have any other pictures?
> >>
> >> Frank
> >>
> >> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "proto957" <helio6@h...> wrote:
> >>> My friend Duane, who lives in the Keys (lucky guy) says this AS-
> > 29
> >>> has been sunk in about 3 feet of water on a key near Nest Key
> > since
> >>> last October. He used to see the boat anchored out from MM 99 in
> >> Key
> >>> Largo, but thinks it was moved to the mangroves at it's present
> >>> location to avoid a hurricane. Here is a pic of the boat:
> >>>http://www.put.com/~proto57/abandonedAS29.jpg
> >>>
> >>> Is this one of Paul Foctberg's fleet? Anyone know about this
> > boat?
> >>> Duane says there are some holes in the deck, and he figures it's
> >>> probably got some rot, as it has been filled with rainwater
about
> > 8
> >>> months. Rich SantaColoma
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > _
> >
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> > _
> >
> > Message: 14
> > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 04:52:25 -0000
> > From: "sals_dad" <sals_dad@b...>
> > Subject: Re: met fellow bolger list member
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@r...>
wrote:
> >> Was biking by boat launch in town and someone was launching a
neat
> >> looking sharpie. Stopped to talk for a while and discovered he
was
> > on this list.
> >
> > That would be me, and the Lightfoot 21 (Bay Hen hull, open
cockpit,
> > cat ketch rig - or is it a schooner, as the rigs seem identical?
See
> > HensNest group for more detail).
> >
> > Had a nice chat with Lincoln as I launched it into the Charles
River
> > in Waltham MA - above the second dam. I was planning to give boat
> > rides at an evening picnic for my son's pre-school, a mile or so
> > upriver.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I was a bit distracted. Pulled truck and trailer
away
> > from the ramp, locked up, and discovered the keys were in the
> > ignition. No problem, had a phone in my pocket, then realized
SWWIL
> > [she whose whim is law*] was in meetings with clients from
England.
> > And I had to pick up the kids...
> >
> > So, after flailing for a while, decided to motor up to the picnic,
> > get help there. Gas hose backwards... Got out rig, and noticed
lots
> > of water in the big, open bilge. Did I remember the drain plug?
> > Motored and bailed, arrived at park, waited for somebody to
arrive,
> > borrowed car from the school's director ...
> >
> > Got things back on track, taking out 20 or 30 kids in shifts; the
big
> > cockpit can easily hold 8 little kids and 2 adults. High coamings
> > let them kneel on seats, leaning out. Most loved it, a couple
were
> > terrified.
> >
> > Had to rush off to a meeting at City Hall (not boat related), so
> > decided to leave boat there at park (it's High School Graduation
> > night, hope for heavy rain to keep partiers away) and hitch ride
with
> > SWWIL and her keys (5 miles or so by road). Get trailer ready for
> > the road, load kids (one with suspicious odors from the diaper
> > region) and SWWIL into truck, and get ready to drive away in the
> > Honda - and SWWIL asks "did you leave the lights on or something?
> >
> > But it's OK, I know there's a brand new pair of jumper cables in
the
> > trunk. Negotiate huge expanses of mud to get batteries close
enough,
> > hook up jumper cables from the tiny Honda battery (D-cells?) to
the
> > truck, race the engine, see light go on in truck's engine
> > compartment. Light goes dim, and out, as the big V8's starter
tries
> > to kick in. But it won't turn over. Play this game for a while,
then
> > load kids back into Honda, put away jumper cables, which are now
very
> > hot, and race away. I'll deal with abandoned truck, trailer, and
boat
> > tomorrow.
> >
> > Dump out SWWIL and kids at home, then on to City Hall. 8:30 - an
> > hour late, which should be OK, as we're third on the agenda. Rush
> > into meeting room, in soggy shoes, filthy jeans, a bit dirty and
> > smelly. Then, wait. At 11:30, they finished agenda item 1b ...
> >
> > Curtis
> >
> >
> >
> > *love this term of endearment, picked up from somebody on this
board
> > a few years ago
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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_
> > _
> >
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_
> > _
> >
> > Message: 15
> > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 07:19:16 -0000
> > From: "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...>
> > Subject: Re: met fellow bolger list member
> >
> > Curtis,
> > You must lead some sort of charmed life.......I would have
been
> > feeding the fishys at the bottom of the St.Lawrence river if I
ever
> > refered to my Pesky Crew as swill or "swwil"(same
pronunciation).But
> > then again,judging by this days adventures,you seem to have
> > something of a curse haunting you. I hope not!!!
> > Good luck with your temporarily abandoned fleet.
> >
> > Peter L.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sals_dad" <sals_dad@b...> wrote:
> > SWWIL
> >> [she whose whim is law*] I'll deal with abandoned truck,
trailer,
> > and boat
> >> tomorrow.
> >>
> >> Dump out SWWIL and kids at home, then on to City Hall. 8:30 - an
> >> hour late, which should be OK, as we're third on the agenda. Rush
> >> into meeting room, in soggy shoes, filthy jeans, a bit dirty and
> >> smelly. Then, wait. At 11:30, they finished agenda item 1b ...
> >>
> >> Curtis
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *love this term of endearment, picked up from somebody on this
> > board
> >> a few years ago
> >
> >
> >
> >
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_
> > _
> >
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_
> > _
> >
> > Message: 16
> > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 07:31:31 -0000
> > From: "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...>
> > Subject: Revised BOTTOM FLIP date for WINDERMERE
> >
> > Bolgerados,
> > For those out-of-towners who previously expressed a
willingness
> > to come volunteer some muscle in exchange for cold beers,kindly
note
> > that the date has been pushed back to the 21st of June.
> > High noon is still event time!
> >
> > No more worries about the full moon and one extra week to
work
> > your muscles up to their youthful glory.It will take a very hard
> > rain to actually postpone the time only,not the date.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Peter Lenihan,from along the dark and breezy shores of the
> > St.Lawrence...........
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > _
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
Sounds like a fishy tale to me.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Lenihan
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 5:40 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Today's Test:http://fishyfish.com/abandoned.html
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, steveoh <steveoh@f...> wrote:
> Today's test. Who's the designer of this abandoned boat?
>
>http://fishyfish.com/abandoned.html
Jean Charles Michaud(1937-1984). after leading a life devoted to the
study of mating rituals of the New Zealand glow worm and unable to
secure the chair at La Sabourne,Jean Charles abandoned further
academic study. Relocated to Glens Falls(NY) after meeting up with an
American art student,Trish Campbell.Dabbled briefly in oils,clay and
papier maché.In 1979,took correspondence course from Westlawn
Institute.
This boat is the only known design of Jean Charles Michaud and his
only attempt at commercial designing.Shortly after relaesing this
plan for sale through Mechanics Illustrated( I think), he was dragged
through the courts and sued for plagerism. His life came to a quick
end when Trish discovered J.C.(as he was know locally) rolling around
with her half sister Betty.He was shot through the skull 3 times.
This design was called the Carribean Tern.
Hope this helps!
Sincerely,
Peter L.
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That certainly turns me off to Westlawn. Jake
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "welshman@p..." <welshman@p...> wrote:
> Up here in AK there is a saying "you don't loose your mate you just
loose
> your Tern." Apparently Trish hadn't heard that one.
>
> HJ
>
> From: Peter Lenihan ellengaest@b...
>
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Today's Test:
http://fishyfish.com/abandoned.html
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, steveoh <steveoh@f...> wrote:
> > Today's test. Who's the designer of this abandoned boat?
> >
> >http://fishyfish.com/abandoned.html
>
> Jean Charles Michaud(1937-1984). after leading a life devoted to
the
> study of mating rituals of the New Zealand glow worm and unable to
> secure the chair at La Sabourne,Jean Charles abandoned further
> academic study. Relocated to Glens Falls(NY) after meeting up with
an
> American art student,Trish Campbell.Dabbled briefly in oils,clay
and
> papier maché.In 1979,took correspondence course from Westlawn
> Institute.
> This boat is the only known design of Jean Charles Michaud and his
> only attempt at commercial designing.Shortly after relaesing this
> plan for sale through Mechanics Illustrated( I think), he was
dragged
> through the courts and sued for plagerism. His life came to a quick
> end when Trish discovered J.C.(as he was know locally) rolling
around
> with her half sister Betty.He was shot through the skull 3 times.
> This design was called the Carribean Tern.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Sincerely,
> Peter L.
>
>
>
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Up here in AK there is a saying "you don't loose your mate you just loose
your Tern." Apparently Trish hadn't heard that one.
HJ
From: Peter Lenihanellengaest@...
Subject: [bolger] Re: Today's Test:http://fishyfish.com/abandoned.html
your Tern." Apparently Trish hadn't heard that one.
HJ
From: Peter Lenihanellengaest@...
Subject: [bolger] Re: Today's Test:http://fishyfish.com/abandoned.html
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, steveoh <steveoh@f...> wrote:
> Today's test. Who's the designer of this abandoned boat?
>
>http://fishyfish.com/abandoned.html
Jean Charles Michaud(1937-1984). after leading a life devoted to the
study of mating rituals of the New Zealand glow worm and unable to
secure the chair at La Sabourne,Jean Charles abandoned further
academic study. Relocated to Glens Falls(NY) after meeting up with an
American art student,Trish Campbell.Dabbled briefly in oils,clay and
papier maché.In 1979,took correspondence course from Westlawn
Institute.
This boat is the only known design of Jean Charles Michaud and his
only attempt at commercial designing.Shortly after relaesing this
plan for sale through Mechanics Illustrated( I think), he was dragged
through the courts and sued for plagerism. His life came to a quick
end when Trish discovered J.C.(as he was know locally) rolling around
with her half sister Betty.He was shot through the skull 3 times.
This design was called the Carribean Tern.
Hope this helps!
Sincerely,
Peter L.
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, steveoh <steveoh@f...> wrote:
study of mating rituals of the New Zealand glow worm and unable to
secure the chair at La Sabourne,Jean Charles abandoned further
academic study. Relocated to Glens Falls(NY) after meeting up with an
American art student,Trish Campbell.Dabbled briefly in oils,clay and
papier maché.In 1979,took correspondence course from Westlawn
Institute.
This boat is the only known design of Jean Charles Michaud and his
only attempt at commercial designing.Shortly after relaesing this
plan for sale through Mechanics Illustrated( I think), he was dragged
through the courts and sued for plagerism. His life came to a quick
end when Trish discovered J.C.(as he was know locally) rolling around
with her half sister Betty.He was shot through the skull 3 times.
This design was called the Carribean Tern.
Hope this helps!
Sincerely,
Peter L.
> Today's test. Who's the designer of this abandoned boat?Jean Charles Michaud(1937-1984). after leading a life devoted to the
>
>http://fishyfish.com/abandoned.html
study of mating rituals of the New Zealand glow worm and unable to
secure the chair at La Sabourne,Jean Charles abandoned further
academic study. Relocated to Glens Falls(NY) after meeting up with an
American art student,Trish Campbell.Dabbled briefly in oils,clay and
papier maché.In 1979,took correspondence course from Westlawn
Institute.
This boat is the only known design of Jean Charles Michaud and his
only attempt at commercial designing.Shortly after relaesing this
plan for sale through Mechanics Illustrated( I think), he was dragged
through the courts and sued for plagerism. His life came to a quick
end when Trish discovered J.C.(as he was know locally) rolling around
with her half sister Betty.He was shot through the skull 3 times.
This design was called the Carribean Tern.
Hope this helps!
Sincerely,
Peter L.
Todays answer: who cares?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, steveoh <steveoh@f...> wrote:
> Today's test. Who's the designer of this abandoned boat?
>
>http://fishyfish.com/abandoned.html
>
De-junk and powerwash it and it looks like a foundation for a weekender.
----- Original Message -----
From: steveoh
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:38 PM
Subject: [bolger] Today's Test:http://fishyfish.com/abandoned.html
Today's test. Who's the designer of this abandoned boat?
http://fishyfish.com/abandoned.html
>>
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> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Re: Sprit sail rig
> From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@...>
> 2. Re: Articles re: Sprit sails
> From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@...>
> 3. Rend lake messabout direction?
> From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
> 4. Re: Re: Sprit Sail rig/Topsails
> From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@...>
> 5. Re: Rend lake messabout direction?
> From: "Richard Spelling" <richard@...>
> 6. Re: Marine ply question
> From:samaboat@...
> 7. Re: Rend lake messabout direction?
> From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
> 8. Re: Instant Boat
> From: "widebody22" <David.Nolan@...>
> 9. Re: Re: abandoned AS-29 in the Florida Keys...
> From: Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@...>
> 10. met fellow bolger list member
> From: "Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@...>
> 11. Re: abandoned AS-29 in the Florida Keys...
> From: "sanmi" <sanmi@...>
> 12. Mystic!!!
> From: "choochawaga" <soulinvictus@...>
> 13. Re: abandoned AS-29 in the Florida Keys...
> From: "proto957" <helio6@...>
> 14. Re: met fellow bolger list member
> From: "sals_dad" <sals_dad@...>
> 15. Re: met fellow bolger list member
> From: "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@...>
> 16. Revised BOTTOM FLIP date for WINDERMERE
> From: "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@...>
>
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:11:01 -0400
> From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@...>
> Subject: Re: Sprit sail rig
>
>> A line running down to the clew isn't likely to gather the sprit to
>> the mast; instead, it would simply fold up part of the sail, while
>> leaving the sprit in place.
>>
>> In looking through John Leather's book, the only drawings showing a
>> line from the top of the mast to the clew are drawings of spritsails
>> with a boom, and the text doesn't seem to explain what the line is
>> for.
>
> Could be a topping lift to keep the boom up.
>
> More likely it's a brail as used on the Delaware Ducker, which raises
> the boom and sail.
> --
> Craig O'Donnell
> Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
> <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
> The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
> The Cheap Pages <http://www2.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
> Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
> American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
> Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
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>
> -- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
> -- Macintosh kinda guy
> Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:53:16 -0400
> From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@...>
> Subject: Re: Articles re: Sprit sails
>
>> There is also mention of an article about sprit rig basics
>> in WB no. 89 which I don't have to hand, but the issue is available.
>> Honest John
>
> I can probably scan & email you this. Contact me offllist.
> --
> Craig O'Donnell
> Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
> <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
> The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
> The Cheap Pages <http://www2.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
> Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
> American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
> Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
> _________________________________
>
> -- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
> -- Macintosh kinda guy
> Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
> _________________________________
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:32:48 -0000
> From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
> Subject: Rend lake messabout direction?
>
> Can someone post driving directions to thr Rend Lake messabout? And
> the exact name of the campground so I can plug it into Mapquest?
>
> I was trying to get "Twisted Seagull" ready, but I'm just not gonna'
> make it, so I'm taking some photos of a 90% completed Welsford
> Seagull, and throwing the "Ada E", my wife's Bolger Nymph in ther
> back of the truck. If there's room I'll toss in the world's ugliest
> Payson Pirogue also.
>
> We're heading out this afternoon, if I've got the directions.
>
> See ya'all there.
>
> Bruce and Elaine Hector
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:39:52 -0400
> From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Sprit Sail rig/Topsails
>
>> I'd go with the latter and, indeed, I'm probably going to make a
>> similar
>> setup for my boat someday, because it's a slug in light breezes. In
>> both
>> cases, the topsail sheet would go through a hole in the peak of the
>> sprit,
>> or a small block or fairlead mounted there, and back to a cleat near
>> the
>> heel of the sprit.
>
> Fishing boats in North Carolina used a topsail over spritsail as part
> of the normal rig; they had long poles on which the topsail was tied,
> and then the poles were lashed to the mast. I don't have much more
> detail than this however.
>
> The Cheap Pages (somewhere - use the search function) have a link to
> Conor O'Brien's simplified gaff-topsail, which may be adaptable to a
> spritsail with a little thought. His point is that the topsail must
> be attached and raised with the main down - as opposed to the big
> boat style of sending the topsail "up". This is sensible on a small
> boat or one without a host of burly fishermen on board to do all this
> "rig"amarole and amounts to reefing before leaving the beach or dock.
> --
> Craig O'Donnell
> Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
> <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
> The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
> The Cheap Pages <http://www2.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
> Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
> American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
> Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
> _________________________________
>
> -- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
> -- Macintosh kinda guy
> Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
> _________________________________
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:36:23 -0500
> From: "Richard Spelling" <richard@...>
> Subject: Re: Rend lake messabout direction?
>
>> From JM's site:
> THE 14TH ANNUAL MIDWEST HOMEBUILT BOAT MESSABOUT will take place at
> Rend
> Lake in Southern Illinois on the weekend of June 7 and 8. Lots of
> folks come
> on Friday and leave early Sunday. Take I-57 to exit 77W and then
> follow the
> signs to the Gun Creek Recreation Area. Camping at this Corps of
> Engineers
> facility is $10/night and that includes the ramp fee. There is no
> schedule
> of events except a pot luck dinner in the campground on Saturday
> evening- we
> wing it. This year some of us have reserved the campsites on the water
> of
> the two middle camping loops so look for us there if we aren't at the
> boat
> ramp.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 7:32 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Rend lake messabout direction?
>
>
>> Can someone post driving directions to thr Rend Lake messabout? And
>> the exact name of the campground so I can plug it into Mapquest?
>>
>> I was trying to get "Twisted Seagull" ready, but I'm just not gonna'
>> make it, so I'm taking some photos of a 90% completed Welsford
>> Seagull, and throwing the "Ada E", my wife's Bolger Nymph in ther
>> back of the truck. If there's room I'll toss in the world's ugliest
>> Payson Pirogue also.
>>
>> We're heading out this afternoon, if I've got the directions.
>>
>> See ya'all there.
>>
>> Bruce and Elaine Hector
>>
>>
>>
>> Bolger rules!!!
>> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
>> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
>> posts
>> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip>
>> away
>> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:47:14 EDT
> From:samaboat@...
> Subject: Re: Marine ply question
>
> If you have a friend or acquaintance who lives near a source of marine
> plywood, you could send them the necessary money and ask them to
> purchase a piece,
> cut it into two foot by sixteen inch rectangles, stack them, package
> them and
> mail them to you. I'm assuming here that your kayak has a beam no
> more than
> two feet and a hull depth of no more than sixteen inches. Might be
> relatively
> inexpensive and it moots the question of an alternative plywood.
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 13:51:38 -0000
> From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
> Subject: Re: Rend lake messabout direction?
>
> Thanks Richard,
>
> We're heading out around noon today, s/b around Detroit overnight and
> arrive Rend Lake Friday night. We'll be staying in a motel, but will
> bring folding chairs to sit around the fire and gam boats.
>
> Bring a Nymph and/or Pirogue plus very recent photos of my Seagull.
>
> Is there a prize from longest drive?
>
> Bruce Hector
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> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:16:35 -0000
> From: "widebody22" <David.Nolan@...>
> Subject: Re: Instant Boat
>
> I have built two boats in my lifetime. 15' Diablo and a 22" Tolman
> Widebody. Both are great boats. Diablo was used when I was young
> and with less common sense, and took it in the ocean often, even at
> night. I didn't know better at tthe time 1986, and used polyester
> resin. Widebody was built with Marine fir plywood and epoxy. It'll
> last a lifetime with a bit of care. It catches fish too. Lots.
>
> Took a month in my backyard in 1986 for Diablo, about a year in a
> carport for the Tolman in a carport. Have to wait on good weather
> for glassing.
>
>DavidTanya@..., Brick NJ
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "gssparhawk" <gssparhawk@s...> wrote:
>> 'Just finished a Diablo hull. Two long days with able, goal-
> oriented, adult sons got her put together. Another two for sheathing,
> painting, rub strips and we put an OB on her and took off on box
> seats. That's pretty "instant".
>>
>> Now for the "grande" with center console and cuddy.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: sctree
>> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 3:32 PM
>> Subject: [bolger] Instant Boat
>>
>>
>> I don't think the "instant" had much to do with the ease of
> building.
>> Rather, the "instant" comes from having a pile of oddly shaped
> plywood
>> panels that can be quickly assembled into something the average
> person
>> recognizes as a boat.
>>
>> Comes from a time when the typical wood boat slowly grew from
> lofting,
>> jig building, timbers, molds, frames, plank patterns, deck beams,
> etc......
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce Hector wrote:
>>
>>> I must beg to differ, Diablo most certainly is an instant boat,
> and
>>> very suitable for the first time builder.
>>>
>>> She is featured in Payson's "Build The New Instant Boats" and
> is the
>>> first boat I built. Well actually we built her and a Nymph at
> the
>>> same time.
>>>
>>> Diablo went together easily, easier than the severe bends on the
>>> Nymph and nailing to Nymphs skinny little 1/4 inch frames
> (until I
>>> figured out what Dyanamite meant by adding scraps to them, she
> now
>>> has a couple of broken hockey sticks permanently bonded to all
> her
>>> frames!) We added a bow floatation chamber and a short deck to
>>> enclose a small gear locker.
>>>
>>> My Diablo "Diabla", which means "she devil" is featured at my
> boat
>>> page
>>>http://www.brucesboats.com
>>>
>>> As to her seaworthyness, that she is. But not at speed, in rough
>>> water or even crossing a wake at plane she'll leap right out of
> the
>>> water and come down with a jarring thump. Makes me worry about
> the
>>> strength of the 1/4" sides where they join the bottom, or at
> the hard
>>> chine. She also is sensitive to trim, especially lateral trim.
> With
>>> her flat bottom being only 2 feet wide, you've got to scrunch
> towards
>>> the centre or fly with a list. Lots of reserve stability with
> that
>>> beautiful sweeping sheer and raised stern.
>>>
>>> Consider the 18' Diablo Grande, built open and strong like a
> Tolman,
>>> that would be an instant boat, able to survive his eams.
>>>
>>> Just my two cents worths, I love my "Diabla".
>>>
>>> Bruce Hector
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 10:44:32 -0700
> From: Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: abandoned AS-29 in the Florida Keys...
>
> If you're going to go that route, I have one that can make ANY Bolger
> boat that you can stand in a carrier, at least in calm enough weather.
> I
> can catch it in my hand or land on maybe a 3X3 piece of ply with
> arrestor cables if I add a hook, and maybe if I don't. Much cheaper.
> Craig O'Donnell wrote:
>
>> I think you might just put a small inboard Honda engine and fly 1/24
>> scale R/C planes off it.
>> --
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> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 21:12:35 -0000
> From: "Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@...>
> Subject: met fellow bolger list member
>
> Was biking by boat launch in town and someone was launching a neat
> looking sharpie. Stopped to talk for a while and discovered he was on
> this list. Had to run, but did not discover in a quick look at the
> member list. Hoping Curtis will send me a note to: lincolnr at rcn.com
> particularly if he wants Brick ride.
> Must run again.
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:03:01 -0000
> From: "sanmi" <sanmi@...>
> Subject: Re: abandoned AS-29 in the Florida Keys...
>
> Funny thing is -- I don't see any slots for the bilge board.
> Is it just the glare? And it doesn't look like there is a place for
> the boom gallows. It looks like this boat was never meant to be
> sailed.
>
> Rich do you have any other pictures?
>
> Frank
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "proto957" <helio6@h...> wrote:
>> My friend Duane, who lives in the Keys (lucky guy) says this AS-29
>> has been sunk in about 3 feet of water on a key near Nest Key since
>> last October. He used to see the boat anchored out from MM 99 in
> Key
>> Largo, but thinks it was moved to the mangroves at it's present
>> location to avoid a hurricane. Here is a pic of the boat:
>>http://www.put.com/~proto57/abandonedAS29.jpg
>>
>> Is this one of Paul Foctberg's fleet? Anyone know about this boat?
>> Duane says there are some holes in the deck, and he figures it's
>> probably got some rot, as it has been filled with rainwater about 8
>> months. Rich SantaColoma
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> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:15:03 -0000
> From: "choochawaga" <soulinvictus@...>
> Subject: Mystic!!!
>
> Hope to see you all there this weekend!!!
>
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> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 23:06:30 -0000
> From: "proto957" <helio6@...>
> Subject: Re: abandoned AS-29 in the Florida Keys...
>
> Those are good points, Frank... and it may explain in part why we
> don't see tabernacles, either. I would think that someone would
> choose another design (Tennesee?) if they wanted a cruising
> motorboat, but I don't think the AS-29 would be all that bad in that
> role, anyway...
>
> But I would be curious to see more pictures, so I'll write to Duane,
> and see if he can either send some, or post some here. It can't be
> too much of a chore to wander the Keys taking pictures!
>
> He downloaded my 3D AS-29 for Virtual Sailor (that's how he
> recognized it)... but I did not put openings on the deck for the
> bilge boards on my model... so it would not have ocurred to him. Rich.
>
> The Chum Bucket:
>http://www.angelfire.com/space/proto57/
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sanmi" <sanmi@y...> wrote:
>> Funny thing is -- I don't see any slots for the bilge board.
>> Is it just the glare? And it doesn't look like there is a place
> for
>> the boom gallows. It looks like this boat was never meant to be
>> sailed.
>>
>> Rich do you have any other pictures?
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "proto957" <helio6@h...> wrote:
>>> My friend Duane, who lives in the Keys (lucky guy) says this AS-
> 29
>>> has been sunk in about 3 feet of water on a key near Nest Key
> since
>>> last October. He used to see the boat anchored out from MM 99 in
>> Key
>>> Largo, but thinks it was moved to the mangroves at it's present
>>> location to avoid a hurricane. Here is a pic of the boat:
>>>http://www.put.com/~proto57/abandonedAS29.jpg
>>>
>>> Is this one of Paul Foctberg's fleet? Anyone know about this
> boat?
>>> Duane says there are some holes in the deck, and he figures it's
>>> probably got some rot, as it has been filled with rainwater about
> 8
>>> months. Rich SantaColoma
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 04:52:25 -0000
> From: "sals_dad" <sals_dad@...>
> Subject: Re: met fellow bolger list member
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@r...> wrote:
>> Was biking by boat launch in town and someone was launching a neat
>> looking sharpie. Stopped to talk for a while and discovered he was
> on this list.
>
> That would be me, and the Lightfoot 21 (Bay Hen hull, open cockpit,
> cat ketch rig - or is it a schooner, as the rigs seem identical? See
> HensNest group for more detail).
>
> Had a nice chat with Lincoln as I launched it into the Charles River
> in Waltham MA - above the second dam. I was planning to give boat
> rides at an evening picnic for my son's pre-school, a mile or so
> upriver.
>
> Unfortunately, I was a bit distracted. Pulled truck and trailer away
> from the ramp, locked up, and discovered the keys were in the
> ignition. No problem, had a phone in my pocket, then realized SWWIL
> [she whose whim is law*] was in meetings with clients from England.
> And I had to pick up the kids...
>
> So, after flailing for a while, decided to motor up to the picnic,
> get help there. Gas hose backwards... Got out rig, and noticed lots
> of water in the big, open bilge. Did I remember the drain plug?
> Motored and bailed, arrived at park, waited for somebody to arrive,
> borrowed car from the school's director ...
>
> Got things back on track, taking out 20 or 30 kids in shifts; the big
> cockpit can easily hold 8 little kids and 2 adults. High coamings
> let them kneel on seats, leaning out. Most loved it, a couple were
> terrified.
>
> Had to rush off to a meeting at City Hall (not boat related), so
> decided to leave boat there at park (it's High School Graduation
> night, hope for heavy rain to keep partiers away) and hitch ride with
> SWWIL and her keys (5 miles or so by road). Get trailer ready for
> the road, load kids (one with suspicious odors from the diaper
> region) and SWWIL into truck, and get ready to drive away in the
> Honda - and SWWIL asks "did you leave the lights on or something?
>
> But it's OK, I know there's a brand new pair of jumper cables in the
> trunk. Negotiate huge expanses of mud to get batteries close enough,
> hook up jumper cables from the tiny Honda battery (D-cells?) to the
> truck, race the engine, see light go on in truck's engine
> compartment. Light goes dim, and out, as the big V8's starter tries
> to kick in. But it won't turn over. Play this game for a while, then
> load kids back into Honda, put away jumper cables, which are now very
> hot, and race away. I'll deal with abandoned truck, trailer, and boat
> tomorrow.
>
> Dump out SWWIL and kids at home, then on to City Hall. 8:30 - an
> hour late, which should be OK, as we're third on the agenda. Rush
> into meeting room, in soggy shoes, filthy jeans, a bit dirty and
> smelly. Then, wait. At 11:30, they finished agenda item 1b ...
>
> Curtis
>
>
>
> *love this term of endearment, picked up from somebody on this board
> a few years ago
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 07:19:16 -0000
> From: "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@...>
> Subject: Re: met fellow bolger list member
>
> Curtis,
> You must lead some sort of charmed life.......I would have been
> feeding the fishys at the bottom of the St.Lawrence river if I ever
> refered to my Pesky Crew as swill or "swwil"(same pronunciation).But
> then again,judging by this days adventures,you seem to have
> something of a curse haunting you. I hope not!!!
> Good luck with your temporarily abandoned fleet.
>
> Peter L.
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sals_dad" <sals_dad@b...> wrote:
> SWWIL
>> [she whose whim is law*] I'll deal with abandoned truck, trailer,
> and boat
>> tomorrow.
>>
>> Dump out SWWIL and kids at home, then on to City Hall. 8:30 - an
>> hour late, which should be OK, as we're third on the agenda. Rush
>> into meeting room, in soggy shoes, filthy jeans, a bit dirty and
>> smelly. Then, wait. At 11:30, they finished agenda item 1b ...
>>
>> Curtis
>>
>>
>>
>> *love this term of endearment, picked up from somebody on this
> board
>> a few years ago
>
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 07:31:31 -0000
> From: "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@...>
> Subject: Revised BOTTOM FLIP date for WINDERMERE
>
> Bolgerados,
> For those out-of-towners who previously expressed a willingness
> to come volunteer some muscle in exchange for cold beers,kindly note
> that the date has been pushed back to the 21st of June.
> High noon is still event time!
>
> No more worries about the full moon and one extra week to work
> your muscles up to their youthful glory.It will take a very hard
> rain to actually postpone the time only,not the date.
>
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,from along the dark and breezy shores of the
> St.Lawrence...........
>
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> Topics in this digest:
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> 1. Re: Sprit sail rig
> From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@...>
> 2. Re: Articles re: Sprit sails
> From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@...>
> 3. Rend lake messabout direction?
> From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
> 4. Re: Re: Sprit Sail rig/Topsails
> From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@...>
> 5. Re: Rend lake messabout direction?
> From: "Richard Spelling" <richard@...>
> 6. Re: Marine ply question
> From:samaboat@...
> 7. Re: Rend lake messabout direction?
> From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
> 8. Re: Instant Boat
> From: "widebody22" <David.Nolan@...>
> 9. Re: Re: abandoned AS-29 in the Florida Keys...
> From: Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@...>
> 10. met fellow bolger list member
> From: "Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@...>
> 11. Re: abandoned AS-29 in the Florida Keys...
> From: "sanmi" <sanmi@...>
> 12. Mystic!!!
> From: "choochawaga" <soulinvictus@...>
> 13. Re: abandoned AS-29 in the Florida Keys...
> From: "proto957" <helio6@...>
> 14. Re: met fellow bolger list member
> From: "sals_dad" <sals_dad@...>
> 15. Re: met fellow bolger list member
> From: "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@...>
> 16. Revised BOTTOM FLIP date for WINDERMERE
> From: "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@...>
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> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:11:01 -0400
> From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@...>
> Subject: Re: Sprit sail rig
>
>> A line running down to the clew isn't likely to gather the sprit to
>> the mast; instead, it would simply fold up part of the sail, while
>> leaving the sprit in place.
>>
>> In looking through John Leather's book, the only drawings showing a
>> line from the top of the mast to the clew are drawings of spritsails
>> with a boom, and the text doesn't seem to explain what the line is
>> for.
>
> Could be a topping lift to keep the boom up.
>
> More likely it's a brail as used on the Delaware Ducker, which raises
> the boom and sail.
> --
> Craig O'Donnell
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> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:53:16 -0400
> From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@...>
> Subject: Re: Articles re: Sprit sails
>
>> There is also mention of an article about sprit rig basics
>> in WB no. 89 which I don't have to hand, but the issue is available.
>> Honest John
>
> I can probably scan & email you this. Contact me offllist.
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> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:32:48 -0000
> From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
> Subject: Rend lake messabout direction?
>
> Can someone post driving directions to thr Rend Lake messabout? And
> the exact name of the campground so I can plug it into Mapquest?
>
> I was trying to get "Twisted Seagull" ready, but I'm just not gonna'
> make it, so I'm taking some photos of a 90% completed Welsford
> Seagull, and throwing the "Ada E", my wife's Bolger Nymph in ther
> back of the truck. If there's room I'll toss in the world's ugliest
> Payson Pirogue also.
>
> We're heading out this afternoon, if I've got the directions.
>
> See ya'all there.
>
> Bruce and Elaine Hector
>
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> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:39:52 -0400
> From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Sprit Sail rig/Topsails
>
>> I'd go with the latter and, indeed, I'm probably going to make a
>> similar
>> setup for my boat someday, because it's a slug in light breezes. In
>> both
>> cases, the topsail sheet would go through a hole in the peak of the
>> sprit,
>> or a small block or fairlead mounted there, and back to a cleat near
>> the
>> heel of the sprit.
>
> Fishing boats in North Carolina used a topsail over spritsail as part
> of the normal rig; they had long poles on which the topsail was tied,
> and then the poles were lashed to the mast. I don't have much more
> detail than this however.
>
> The Cheap Pages (somewhere - use the search function) have a link to
> Conor O'Brien's simplified gaff-topsail, which may be adaptable to a
> spritsail with a little thought. His point is that the topsail must
> be attached and raised with the main down - as opposed to the big
> boat style of sending the topsail "up". This is sensible on a small
> boat or one without a host of burly fishermen on board to do all this
> "rig"amarole and amounts to reefing before leaving the beach or dock.
> --
> Craig O'Donnell
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:36:23 -0500
> From: "Richard Spelling" <richard@...>
> Subject: Re: Rend lake messabout direction?
>
>> From JM's site:
> THE 14TH ANNUAL MIDWEST HOMEBUILT BOAT MESSABOUT will take place at
> Rend
> Lake in Southern Illinois on the weekend of June 7 and 8. Lots of
> folks come
> on Friday and leave early Sunday. Take I-57 to exit 77W and then
> follow the
> signs to the Gun Creek Recreation Area. Camping at this Corps of
> Engineers
> facility is $10/night and that includes the ramp fee. There is no
> schedule
> of events except a pot luck dinner in the campground on Saturday
> evening- we
> wing it. This year some of us have reserved the campsites on the water
> of
> the two middle camping loops so look for us there if we aren't at the
> boat
> ramp.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 7:32 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Rend lake messabout direction?
>
>
>> Can someone post driving directions to thr Rend Lake messabout? And
>> the exact name of the campground so I can plug it into Mapquest?
>>
>> I was trying to get "Twisted Seagull" ready, but I'm just not gonna'
>> make it, so I'm taking some photos of a 90% completed Welsford
>> Seagull, and throwing the "Ada E", my wife's Bolger Nymph in ther
>> back of the truck. If there's room I'll toss in the world's ugliest
>> Payson Pirogue also.
>>
>> We're heading out this afternoon, if I've got the directions.
>>
>> See ya'all there.
>>
>> Bruce and Elaine Hector
>>
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:47:14 EDT
> From:samaboat@...
> Subject: Re: Marine ply question
>
> If you have a friend or acquaintance who lives near a source of marine
> plywood, you could send them the necessary money and ask them to
> purchase a piece,
> cut it into two foot by sixteen inch rectangles, stack them, package
> them and
> mail them to you. I'm assuming here that your kayak has a beam no
> more than
> two feet and a hull depth of no more than sixteen inches. Might be
> relatively
> inexpensive and it moots the question of an alternative plywood.
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 13:51:38 -0000
> From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
> Subject: Re: Rend lake messabout direction?
>
> Thanks Richard,
>
> We're heading out around noon today, s/b around Detroit overnight and
> arrive Rend Lake Friday night. We'll be staying in a motel, but will
> bring folding chairs to sit around the fire and gam boats.
>
> Bring a Nymph and/or Pirogue plus very recent photos of my Seagull.
>
> Is there a prize from longest drive?
>
> Bruce Hector
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:16:35 -0000
> From: "widebody22" <David.Nolan@...>
> Subject: Re: Instant Boat
>
> I have built two boats in my lifetime. 15' Diablo and a 22" Tolman
> Widebody. Both are great boats. Diablo was used when I was young
> and with less common sense, and took it in the ocean often, even at
> night. I didn't know better at tthe time 1986, and used polyester
> resin. Widebody was built with Marine fir plywood and epoxy. It'll
> last a lifetime with a bit of care. It catches fish too. Lots.
>
> Took a month in my backyard in 1986 for Diablo, about a year in a
> carport for the Tolman in a carport. Have to wait on good weather
> for glassing.
>
>DavidTanya@..., Brick NJ
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "gssparhawk" <gssparhawk@s...> wrote:
>> 'Just finished a Diablo hull. Two long days with able, goal-
> oriented, adult sons got her put together. Another two for sheathing,
> painting, rub strips and we put an OB on her and took off on box
> seats. That's pretty "instant".
>>
>> Now for the "grande" with center console and cuddy.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: sctree
>> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 3:32 PM
>> Subject: [bolger] Instant Boat
>>
>>
>> I don't think the "instant" had much to do with the ease of
> building.
>> Rather, the "instant" comes from having a pile of oddly shaped
> plywood
>> panels that can be quickly assembled into something the average
> person
>> recognizes as a boat.
>>
>> Comes from a time when the typical wood boat slowly grew from
> lofting,
>> jig building, timbers, molds, frames, plank patterns, deck beams,
> etc......
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce Hector wrote:
>>
>>> I must beg to differ, Diablo most certainly is an instant boat,
> and
>>> very suitable for the first time builder.
>>>
>>> She is featured in Payson's "Build The New Instant Boats" and
> is the
>>> first boat I built. Well actually we built her and a Nymph at
> the
>>> same time.
>>>
>>> Diablo went together easily, easier than the severe bends on the
>>> Nymph and nailing to Nymphs skinny little 1/4 inch frames
> (until I
>>> figured out what Dyanamite meant by adding scraps to them, she
> now
>>> has a couple of broken hockey sticks permanently bonded to all
> her
>>> frames!) We added a bow floatation chamber and a short deck to
>>> enclose a small gear locker.
>>>
>>> My Diablo "Diabla", which means "she devil" is featured at my
> boat
>>> page
>>>http://www.brucesboats.com
>>>
>>> As to her seaworthyness, that she is. But not at speed, in rough
>>> water or even crossing a wake at plane she'll leap right out of
> the
>>> water and come down with a jarring thump. Makes me worry about
> the
>>> strength of the 1/4" sides where they join the bottom, or at
> the hard
>>> chine. She also is sensitive to trim, especially lateral trim.
> With
>>> her flat bottom being only 2 feet wide, you've got to scrunch
> towards
>>> the centre or fly with a list. Lots of reserve stability with
> that
>>> beautiful sweeping sheer and raised stern.
>>>
>>> Consider the 18' Diablo Grande, built open and strong like a
> Tolman,
>>> that would be an instant boat, able to survive his eams.
>>>
>>> Just my two cents worths, I love my "Diabla".
>>>
>>> Bruce Hector
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 10:44:32 -0700
> From: Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: abandoned AS-29 in the Florida Keys...
>
> If you're going to go that route, I have one that can make ANY Bolger
> boat that you can stand in a carrier, at least in calm enough weather.
> I
> can catch it in my hand or land on maybe a 3X3 piece of ply with
> arrestor cables if I add a hook, and maybe if I don't. Much cheaper.
> Craig O'Donnell wrote:
>
>> I think you might just put a small inboard Honda engine and fly 1/24
>> scale R/C planes off it.
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 21:12:35 -0000
> From: "Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@...>
> Subject: met fellow bolger list member
>
> Was biking by boat launch in town and someone was launching a neat
> looking sharpie. Stopped to talk for a while and discovered he was on
> this list. Had to run, but did not discover in a quick look at the
> member list. Hoping Curtis will send me a note to: lincolnr at rcn.com
> particularly if he wants Brick ride.
> Must run again.
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:03:01 -0000
> From: "sanmi" <sanmi@...>
> Subject: Re: abandoned AS-29 in the Florida Keys...
>
> Funny thing is -- I don't see any slots for the bilge board.
> Is it just the glare? And it doesn't look like there is a place for
> the boom gallows. It looks like this boat was never meant to be
> sailed.
>
> Rich do you have any other pictures?
>
> Frank
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "proto957" <helio6@h...> wrote:
>> My friend Duane, who lives in the Keys (lucky guy) says this AS-29
>> has been sunk in about 3 feet of water on a key near Nest Key since
>> last October. He used to see the boat anchored out from MM 99 in
> Key
>> Largo, but thinks it was moved to the mangroves at it's present
>> location to avoid a hurricane. Here is a pic of the boat:
>>http://www.put.com/~proto57/abandonedAS29.jpg
>>
>> Is this one of Paul Foctberg's fleet? Anyone know about this boat?
>> Duane says there are some holes in the deck, and he figures it's
>> probably got some rot, as it has been filled with rainwater about 8
>> months. Rich SantaColoma
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:15:03 -0000
> From: "choochawaga" <soulinvictus@...>
> Subject: Mystic!!!
>
> Hope to see you all there this weekend!!!
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> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 23:06:30 -0000
> From: "proto957" <helio6@...>
> Subject: Re: abandoned AS-29 in the Florida Keys...
>
> Those are good points, Frank... and it may explain in part why we
> don't see tabernacles, either. I would think that someone would
> choose another design (Tennesee?) if they wanted a cruising
> motorboat, but I don't think the AS-29 would be all that bad in that
> role, anyway...
>
> But I would be curious to see more pictures, so I'll write to Duane,
> and see if he can either send some, or post some here. It can't be
> too much of a chore to wander the Keys taking pictures!
>
> He downloaded my 3D AS-29 for Virtual Sailor (that's how he
> recognized it)... but I did not put openings on the deck for the
> bilge boards on my model... so it would not have ocurred to him. Rich.
>
> The Chum Bucket:
>http://www.angelfire.com/space/proto57/
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>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sanmi" <sanmi@y...> wrote:
>> Funny thing is -- I don't see any slots for the bilge board.
>> Is it just the glare? And it doesn't look like there is a place
> for
>> the boom gallows. It looks like this boat was never meant to be
>> sailed.
>>
>> Rich do you have any other pictures?
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "proto957" <helio6@h...> wrote:
>>> My friend Duane, who lives in the Keys (lucky guy) says this AS-
> 29
>>> has been sunk in about 3 feet of water on a key near Nest Key
> since
>>> last October. He used to see the boat anchored out from MM 99 in
>> Key
>>> Largo, but thinks it was moved to the mangroves at it's present
>>> location to avoid a hurricane. Here is a pic of the boat:
>>>http://www.put.com/~proto57/abandonedAS29.jpg
>>>
>>> Is this one of Paul Foctberg's fleet? Anyone know about this
> boat?
>>> Duane says there are some holes in the deck, and he figures it's
>>> probably got some rot, as it has been filled with rainwater about
> 8
>>> months. Rich SantaColoma
>
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> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 04:52:25 -0000
> From: "sals_dad" <sals_dad@...>
> Subject: Re: met fellow bolger list member
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@r...> wrote:
>> Was biking by boat launch in town and someone was launching a neat
>> looking sharpie. Stopped to talk for a while and discovered he was
> on this list.
>
> That would be me, and the Lightfoot 21 (Bay Hen hull, open cockpit,
> cat ketch rig - or is it a schooner, as the rigs seem identical? See
> HensNest group for more detail).
>
> Had a nice chat with Lincoln as I launched it into the Charles River
> in Waltham MA - above the second dam. I was planning to give boat
> rides at an evening picnic for my son's pre-school, a mile or so
> upriver.
>
> Unfortunately, I was a bit distracted. Pulled truck and trailer away
> from the ramp, locked up, and discovered the keys were in the
> ignition. No problem, had a phone in my pocket, then realized SWWIL
> [she whose whim is law*] was in meetings with clients from England.
> And I had to pick up the kids...
>
> So, after flailing for a while, decided to motor up to the picnic,
> get help there. Gas hose backwards... Got out rig, and noticed lots
> of water in the big, open bilge. Did I remember the drain plug?
> Motored and bailed, arrived at park, waited for somebody to arrive,
> borrowed car from the school's director ...
>
> Got things back on track, taking out 20 or 30 kids in shifts; the big
> cockpit can easily hold 8 little kids and 2 adults. High coamings
> let them kneel on seats, leaning out. Most loved it, a couple were
> terrified.
>
> Had to rush off to a meeting at City Hall (not boat related), so
> decided to leave boat there at park (it's High School Graduation
> night, hope for heavy rain to keep partiers away) and hitch ride with
> SWWIL and her keys (5 miles or so by road). Get trailer ready for
> the road, load kids (one with suspicious odors from the diaper
> region) and SWWIL into truck, and get ready to drive away in the
> Honda - and SWWIL asks "did you leave the lights on or something?
>
> But it's OK, I know there's a brand new pair of jumper cables in the
> trunk. Negotiate huge expanses of mud to get batteries close enough,
> hook up jumper cables from the tiny Honda battery (D-cells?) to the
> truck, race the engine, see light go on in truck's engine
> compartment. Light goes dim, and out, as the big V8's starter tries
> to kick in. But it won't turn over. Play this game for a while, then
> load kids back into Honda, put away jumper cables, which are now very
> hot, and race away. I'll deal with abandoned truck, trailer, and boat
> tomorrow.
>
> Dump out SWWIL and kids at home, then on to City Hall. 8:30 - an
> hour late, which should be OK, as we're third on the agenda. Rush
> into meeting room, in soggy shoes, filthy jeans, a bit dirty and
> smelly. Then, wait. At 11:30, they finished agenda item 1b ...
>
> Curtis
>
>
>
> *love this term of endearment, picked up from somebody on this board
> a few years ago
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> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 07:19:16 -0000
> From: "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@...>
> Subject: Re: met fellow bolger list member
>
> Curtis,
> You must lead some sort of charmed life.......I would have been
> feeding the fishys at the bottom of the St.Lawrence river if I ever
> refered to my Pesky Crew as swill or "swwil"(same pronunciation).But
> then again,judging by this days adventures,you seem to have
> something of a curse haunting you. I hope not!!!
> Good luck with your temporarily abandoned fleet.
>
> Peter L.
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sals_dad" <sals_dad@b...> wrote:
> SWWIL
>> [she whose whim is law*] I'll deal with abandoned truck, trailer,
> and boat
>> tomorrow.
>>
>> Dump out SWWIL and kids at home, then on to City Hall. 8:30 - an
>> hour late, which should be OK, as we're third on the agenda. Rush
>> into meeting room, in soggy shoes, filthy jeans, a bit dirty and
>> smelly. Then, wait. At 11:30, they finished agenda item 1b ...
>>
>> Curtis
>>
>>
>>
>> *love this term of endearment, picked up from somebody on this
> board
>> a few years ago
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 07:31:31 -0000
> From: "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@...>
> Subject: Revised BOTTOM FLIP date for WINDERMERE
>
> Bolgerados,
> For those out-of-towners who previously expressed a willingness
> to come volunteer some muscle in exchange for cold beers,kindly note
> that the date has been pushed back to the 21st of June.
> High noon is still event time!
>
> No more worries about the full moon and one extra week to work
> your muscles up to their youthful glory.It will take a very hard
> rain to actually postpone the time only,not the date.
>
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,from along the dark and breezy shores of the
> St.Lawrence...........
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