[bolger] modifying plans
BO>It seems the surest way to garner mockery on this list is to propose
BO>changes to our sacred texts, i.e. PCB's PLANS.
Sigh...once more then I'm going sailing.
1. David, it's not really mockery, but concern.
2. Learning from your mistakes is =good=, but only where they're BRAND
NEW mistakes. Otherwise, it's far wiser to learn from the mistakes of
=others=. "Others" BTW include the designer, who will have made far
more mistakes in his/her design learning and practice path than any of
us have time to make.
Tim & Detergent box (moving with the times)
BO>changes to our sacred texts, i.e. PCB's PLANS.
Sigh...once more then I'm going sailing.
1. David, it's not really mockery, but concern.
2. Learning from your mistakes is =good=, but only where they're BRAND
NEW mistakes. Otherwise, it's far wiser to learn from the mistakes of
=others=. "Others" BTW include the designer, who will have made far
more mistakes in his/her design learning and practice path than any of
us have time to make.
Tim & Detergent box (moving with the times)
At 11:06 AM 02/16/2000 -0500, you wrote:
This is all very true and EXTREMELY WELL SAID! PCB, Michalak and Payson are
very talented, experienced and produce great plans, books, etc. However,
they are not me. They provide very good starting points. In several cases
PCB and JM also use other designs as starting points! They tinker, we
tinker. Most of us that tinker have a concept of the ramifications of our
tinkering and our own limitations. PCB is good, no question about it! But,
in his book 30 odd boats, he openly shows designs that were less than
successfull and even counsels not building certain of his designs. I have
just reviewed "Snow Goose" on its home page. it is nice to see a heritic
with class!
I am not to timid to tinker and I am not to foolhardy to hurt myself! I
will enjoy sharing my observations and concepts on modifications with the
list.
Tim - a heritic in Houston
>FBBB -Been there and been a victim of that!
>
>It seems the surest way to garner mockery on this list is to propose
>changes to our sacred texts, i.e. PCB's PLANS.
>
>I would offer that unless PCB's plans were made specifically for you,David,
>there's a very high likelihood that they require some sort of changes
>to turn those plans into the boat that's right for you.
>
>It also seems to me that the two most likely outcomes of any fiddling are:
>
>1) The changes you make will work more or less the way you wanted,
>and you'll have the satisfaction of having figured out how to make
>the boat more the way you want it.
>
>2) You'll waste time and/or money and end up with a boat that is
>slower, uglier and/or less safe than if you had "stuck with the
>program. You'll likely also have a greater appreciation of the
>designer's art , and a deeper understanding of what makes boats work.
>
>The fruits of either outcome are far, far preferable to ignoring you
>urge to tinker and finding out just what the consequences are.
>Lessons learned hard are learned well (unless you're really thick,)
>
>I'm assuming that anyone who builds their own boats understands that
>there's nothing so wonderful as an ill-conceived, spectacular
>failure. I'd much rather hear "I tried it that way, and this is what
>happened. I'm lucky to be alive," than "Phil didn't draw it that way,
>so you shouldn't do it."
>
>Having said that, the LS Margaret Ellen construction proceeds with
>modifications both advised and warned again. Photos to come. Tales
>of terror expected by mid-Summer.
>
>YIBB,
>
>David Ryan
>Call us when you're in the city (212)247-0296
>Call us when you're in Montuak (631)668-2826
>
This is all very true and EXTREMELY WELL SAID! PCB, Michalak and Payson are
very talented, experienced and produce great plans, books, etc. However,
they are not me. They provide very good starting points. In several cases
PCB and JM also use other designs as starting points! They tinker, we
tinker. Most of us that tinker have a concept of the ramifications of our
tinkering and our own limitations. PCB is good, no question about it! But,
in his book 30 odd boats, he openly shows designs that were less than
successfull and even counsels not building certain of his designs. I have
just reviewed "Snow Goose" on its home page. it is nice to see a heritic
with class!
I am not to timid to tinker and I am not to foolhardy to hurt myself! I
will enjoy sharing my observations and concepts on modifications with the
list.
Tim - a heritic in Houston
FBBB -
It seems the surest way to garner mockery on this list is to propose
changes to our sacred texts, i.e. PCB's PLANS.
I would offer that unless PCB's plans were made specifically for you,
there's a very high likelihood that they require some sort of changes
to turn those plans into the boat that's right for you.
It also seems to me that the two most likely outcomes of any fiddling are:
1) The changes you make will work more or less the way you wanted,
and you'll have the satisfaction of having figured out how to make
the boat more the way you want it.
2) You'll waste time and/or money and end up with a boat that is
slower, uglier and/or less safe than if you had "stuck with the
program. You'll likely also have a greater appreciation of the
designer's art , and a deeper understanding of what makes boats work.
The fruits of either outcome are far, far preferable to ignoring you
urge to tinker and finding out just what the consequences are.
Lessons learned hard are learned well (unless you're really thick,)
I'm assuming that anyone who builds their own boats understands that
there's nothing so wonderful as an ill-conceived, spectacular
failure. I'd much rather hear "I tried it that way, and this is what
happened. I'm lucky to be alive," than "Phil didn't draw it that way,
so you shouldn't do it."
Having said that, the LS Margaret Ellen construction proceeds with
modifications both advised and warned again. Photos to come. Tales
of terror expected by mid-Summer.
YIBB,
David Ryan
Call us when you're in the city (212)247-0296
Call us when you're in Montuak (631)668-2826
It seems the surest way to garner mockery on this list is to propose
changes to our sacred texts, i.e. PCB's PLANS.
I would offer that unless PCB's plans were made specifically for you,
there's a very high likelihood that they require some sort of changes
to turn those plans into the boat that's right for you.
It also seems to me that the two most likely outcomes of any fiddling are:
1) The changes you make will work more or less the way you wanted,
and you'll have the satisfaction of having figured out how to make
the boat more the way you want it.
2) You'll waste time and/or money and end up with a boat that is
slower, uglier and/or less safe than if you had "stuck with the
program. You'll likely also have a greater appreciation of the
designer's art , and a deeper understanding of what makes boats work.
The fruits of either outcome are far, far preferable to ignoring you
urge to tinker and finding out just what the consequences are.
Lessons learned hard are learned well (unless you're really thick,)
I'm assuming that anyone who builds their own boats understands that
there's nothing so wonderful as an ill-conceived, spectacular
failure. I'd much rather hear "I tried it that way, and this is what
happened. I'm lucky to be alive," than "Phil didn't draw it that way,
so you shouldn't do it."
Having said that, the LS Margaret Ellen construction proceeds with
modifications both advised and warned again. Photos to come. Tales
of terror expected by mid-Summer.
YIBB,
David Ryan
Call us when you're in the city (212)247-0296
Call us when you're in Montuak (631)668-2826