Re: Birdwatcher experience/Jochems
What type of rig?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "oarmandt" <oarmanD@c...> wrote:
> A month or two ago, SA
> faxed me a cartoon, but made me swear not to publish it. Looks
like
> Jochems but with a different rig.
>
> Doug
>
>
A month or two ago, they said it would be several months before they
could get to it. I do not know how long it takes to turn out the
finished plans. Probably depends a lot on how difficult the customer
is. $1000 was floated as the cost of the commission but this does
not really cover the time required for designing and drawing. SA
faxed me a cartoon, but made me swear not to publish it. Looks like
Jochems but with a different rig.
Doug
could get to it. I do not know how long it takes to turn out the
finished plans. Probably depends a lot on how difficult the customer
is. $1000 was floated as the cost of the commission but this does
not really cover the time required for designing and drawing. SA
faxed me a cartoon, but made me swear not to publish it. Looks like
Jochems but with a different rig.
Doug
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, sctree <sctree@d...> wrote:
> I haven't committed to building the big Jochems yet, it will have
to
> wait until fall. But this smaller version sounds cool.
> Might be interested myself, in fact I'm fond of building
the "untested".
> Do you know the cost and time frame for this?
>
> Rick
>
I haven't committed to building the big Jochems yet, it will have to
wait until fall. But this smaller version sounds cool.
Might be interested myself, in fact I'm fond of building the "untested".
Do you know the cost and time frame for this?
Rick
oarmandt wrote:
wait until fall. But this smaller version sounds cool.
Might be interested myself, in fact I'm fond of building the "untested".
Do you know the cost and time frame for this?
Rick
oarmandt wrote:
> Thanks for the extensive reply. Please keep us up to date with your[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> warm weather experience.
>
> The Jochems Jr. design that Mr. Bolger is contemplating would be 20-
> 23 feet. Depends on the requirements of the person commissioning the
> design I guess. I get the impression he would like to continue the
> Birdwatcher series development with Jochems Jr. but commissioned work
> keeps getting in the way.
>
> Anyone willing to commission Jochems Jr.? I might do it myself - the
> extra cost of the commission versus stock plans would be paid back
> many times over in lower construction costs of the smaller boat. I
> don't know that I want to be the first to build from new plans
> though.
>
> Doug
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, sctree <sctree@d...> wrote:
> > Doug,
> >
> > I'm going down the same path. I have the Jochem's video as well
> as the
> > plans and would like to build one and use it along the Gulf Coast.
> I'm
> > concerned like you about the "greenhouse" effect, so to test it I
> build
> > a Michalak Jewelbox Jr, a 14' Birdwatcher type last year. I've
> sailed it
> > last fall and throughout the winter, including a trip to Lake Mead,
> and
> > have yet to have any sort of a heat build-up problem.
>
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Thanks for the extensive reply. Please keep us up to date with your
warm weather experience.
The Jochems Jr. design that Mr. Bolger is contemplating would be 20-
23 feet. Depends on the requirements of the person commissioning the
design I guess. I get the impression he would like to continue the
Birdwatcher series development with Jochems Jr. but commissioned work
keeps getting in the way.
Anyone willing to commission Jochems Jr.? I might do it myself - the
extra cost of the commission versus stock plans would be paid back
many times over in lower construction costs of the smaller boat. I
don't know that I want to be the first to build from new plans
though.
Doug
warm weather experience.
The Jochems Jr. design that Mr. Bolger is contemplating would be 20-
23 feet. Depends on the requirements of the person commissioning the
design I guess. I get the impression he would like to continue the
Birdwatcher series development with Jochems Jr. but commissioned work
keeps getting in the way.
Anyone willing to commission Jochems Jr.? I might do it myself - the
extra cost of the commission versus stock plans would be paid back
many times over in lower construction costs of the smaller boat. I
don't know that I want to be the first to build from new plans
though.
Doug
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, sctree <sctree@d...> wrote:
> Doug,
>
> I'm going down the same path. I have the Jochem's video as well
as the
> plans and would like to build one and use it along the Gulf Coast.
I'm
> concerned like you about the "greenhouse" effect, so to test it I
build
> a Michalak Jewelbox Jr, a 14' Birdwatcher type last year. I've
sailed it
> last fall and throughout the winter, including a trip to Lake Mead,
and
> have yet to have any sort of a heat build-up problem.
> Whaddya mean, "too small?" She's half a foot longer than theEr, make that "half a yard shorter". But still, you could just
> schooner that I'm building right now....
about put the rig from the His and Her Schooner (#512) on her, or
stretch her 18" and definitely get away with it. You'd lose the
tabernacles, though, without some tweaking....
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Mark A." <marka@h...> wrote:
schooner that I'm building right now....
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
>Jochems.
> Too small for a schooner, yet this counts as a sort of miniature
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/files/Camper%20%23640/Whaddya mean, "too small?" She's half a foot longer than the
schooner that I'm building right now....
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
Too small for a schooner, yet this counts as a sort of miniature Jochems.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/files/Camper%20%23640/
Mark
Doug wrote:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/files/Camper%20%23640/
Mark
Doug wrote:
> A smaller version of Jochems is on PCB's to-do
> list. Maybe I should wait for that one.
Doug,
I'm going down the same path. I have the Jochem's video as well as the
plans and would like to build one and use it along the Gulf Coast. I'm
concerned like you about the "greenhouse" effect, so to test it I build
a Michalak Jewelbox Jr, a 14' Birdwatcher type last year. I've sailed it
last fall and throughout the winter, including a trip to Lake Mead, and
have yet to have any sort of a heat build-up problem. So far the
interior has never been more than 5 degrees above the outside temp.
(both temps taken in the shade), and that only happens when in my
driveway or at anchor with no breeze. Any heat gain in the cabin
immediately moves up and out. However, I haven't been out in any sort of
real heat yet. While at Lake Mead this past April it never hit 80. I
hope to know more soon as summer is finally starting here, tomorrow
should be 95 or better, and 105 will be right around the corner, so soon
I will be able to get out in it. From my experience so far, I feel
Jochems will be cooler belowdecks than any typical cabin sailboat.
I do agree with you, humidity has a lot to do with this. I'm out west
with very low humidity and strong breezes, similar to, but not quite as
extreme as seen in the video. I was in south Florida during one Sept-Dec
and until mid October my kid and I avoided outside as much as possible.
My kid (3 at the time) was accustom to playing out all day in 100-105
degrees here at home , and I work outside, but that humidity you have
makes it a whole different ball game. I think shade and airflow are
going to be very important in your neck of the woods.
Did you notice in the video how the "shades" were drawn to keep out the
sun? I have tinted lexan in the Jewelbox Jr, with clear acrylic for the
removable hatchboards and the difference is huge. You can feel the heat
holding your hand an inch away from the clear acrylic when the sun is
shining through it, but not on the dark lexan. Also in the video, the
slot hatches were often closed to provide shade, but then they block air
movement. Maybe a slightly elevated "mini-bimini" above the hatches? I
also feel airflow at anchor in Jochems needs to be looked at closer. The
forward bulkhead doesn't open with a companionway hatch like on my
Jewelbox Jr. Something needs to be done to get air in at the forward end.
Once sailing in any kind of a breeze I can tell you the "downdraft"
effect is quite noticeable and very cooling. In fact I'm often putting
on more clothes or a jacket with a hood sitting down below in the shade,
where if I went out on deck I would be wearing a T-shirt. During our
winter (50's to 60's) I used black door mat style carpet on the sole to
absorb some heat!
I also agree that Jochems is a big boat to trailer on a routine basis,
but no more than the typical travel trailer. I think a full size pick-up
truck would be a good idea.
So how big is the "downsized" version?
Rick
oarmandt wrote:
I'm going down the same path. I have the Jochem's video as well as the
plans and would like to build one and use it along the Gulf Coast. I'm
concerned like you about the "greenhouse" effect, so to test it I build
a Michalak Jewelbox Jr, a 14' Birdwatcher type last year. I've sailed it
last fall and throughout the winter, including a trip to Lake Mead, and
have yet to have any sort of a heat build-up problem. So far the
interior has never been more than 5 degrees above the outside temp.
(both temps taken in the shade), and that only happens when in my
driveway or at anchor with no breeze. Any heat gain in the cabin
immediately moves up and out. However, I haven't been out in any sort of
real heat yet. While at Lake Mead this past April it never hit 80. I
hope to know more soon as summer is finally starting here, tomorrow
should be 95 or better, and 105 will be right around the corner, so soon
I will be able to get out in it. From my experience so far, I feel
Jochems will be cooler belowdecks than any typical cabin sailboat.
I do agree with you, humidity has a lot to do with this. I'm out west
with very low humidity and strong breezes, similar to, but not quite as
extreme as seen in the video. I was in south Florida during one Sept-Dec
and until mid October my kid and I avoided outside as much as possible.
My kid (3 at the time) was accustom to playing out all day in 100-105
degrees here at home , and I work outside, but that humidity you have
makes it a whole different ball game. I think shade and airflow are
going to be very important in your neck of the woods.
Did you notice in the video how the "shades" were drawn to keep out the
sun? I have tinted lexan in the Jewelbox Jr, with clear acrylic for the
removable hatchboards and the difference is huge. You can feel the heat
holding your hand an inch away from the clear acrylic when the sun is
shining through it, but not on the dark lexan. Also in the video, the
slot hatches were often closed to provide shade, but then they block air
movement. Maybe a slightly elevated "mini-bimini" above the hatches? I
also feel airflow at anchor in Jochems needs to be looked at closer. The
forward bulkhead doesn't open with a companionway hatch like on my
Jewelbox Jr. Something needs to be done to get air in at the forward end.
Once sailing in any kind of a breeze I can tell you the "downdraft"
effect is quite noticeable and very cooling. In fact I'm often putting
on more clothes or a jacket with a hood sitting down below in the shade,
where if I went out on deck I would be wearing a T-shirt. During our
winter (50's to 60's) I used black door mat style carpet on the sole to
absorb some heat!
I also agree that Jochems is a big boat to trailer on a routine basis,
but no more than the typical travel trailer. I think a full size pick-up
truck would be a good idea.
So how big is the "downsized" version?
Rick
oarmandt wrote:
> I am seriously considering building the "William D. Jochems". I have
> some concerns the group could address.
> Can anyone with experience in the Birdwatcher type comment on how
> well this works for comfort under the greenhouse? I live in Florida
> and my cruising season is dictated by the school calendar, so this is
> a major concern. Yes, I saw the video in the desert, but I suspect
> that very high temperature and low humidity is more comfortable than
> the Florida summer sauna. It made a world of difference when I put a
> bimini on my old boat, but that had 360 degree ventilation. Not much
> room for a bimini over the Jochems small cockpit, so seeking shade
> requires going below.
>
> Also, anyone have any experience trailering anything as big as the
> Jochems (25.5' on deck, 3500 Lb. boat, 4500 Lb. total trailer
> weight)? I went to Bolger and Friends looking for a stable
> weekender, maybe an improved Martha Jane. They suggested that I
> think longer term when I may want longer cruises and bigger water,
> and so steered me to the Jochems. The crossing to the Bahamas was
> suggested as a possibility in Jochems. Still, I am not so sure I
> want to go that big. A smaller version of Jochems is on PCB's to-do
> list. Maybe I should wait for that one.
>
> Doug
>
I am seriously considering building the "William D. Jochems". I have
some concerns the group could address.
Can anyone with experience in the Birdwatcher type comment on how
well this works for comfort under the greenhouse? I live in Florida
and my cruising season is dictated by the school calendar, so this is
a major concern. Yes, I saw the video in the desert, but I suspect
that very high temperature and low humidity is more comfortable than
the Florida summer sauna. It made a world of difference when I put a
bimini on my old boat, but that had 360 degree ventilation. Not much
room for a bimini over the Jochems small cockpit, so seeking shade
requires going below.
Also, anyone have any experience trailering anything as big as the
Jochems (25.5' on deck, 3500 Lb. boat, 4500 Lb. total trailer
weight)? I went to Bolger and Friends looking for a stable
weekender, maybe an improved Martha Jane. They suggested that I
think longer term when I may want longer cruises and bigger water,
and so steered me to the Jochems. The crossing to the Bahamas was
suggested as a possibility in Jochems. Still, I am not so sure I
want to go that big. A smaller version of Jochems is on PCB's to-do
list. Maybe I should wait for that one.
Doug
some concerns the group could address.
Can anyone with experience in the Birdwatcher type comment on how
well this works for comfort under the greenhouse? I live in Florida
and my cruising season is dictated by the school calendar, so this is
a major concern. Yes, I saw the video in the desert, but I suspect
that very high temperature and low humidity is more comfortable than
the Florida summer sauna. It made a world of difference when I put a
bimini on my old boat, but that had 360 degree ventilation. Not much
room for a bimini over the Jochems small cockpit, so seeking shade
requires going below.
Also, anyone have any experience trailering anything as big as the
Jochems (25.5' on deck, 3500 Lb. boat, 4500 Lb. total trailer
weight)? I went to Bolger and Friends looking for a stable
weekender, maybe an improved Martha Jane. They suggested that I
think longer term when I may want longer cruises and bigger water,
and so steered me to the Jochems. The crossing to the Bahamas was
suggested as a possibility in Jochems. Still, I am not so sure I
want to go that big. A smaller version of Jochems is on PCB's to-do
list. Maybe I should wait for that one.
Doug