Re: [bolger] Re: 16' Pirogue
Chuck
I think your right , I just checked again today and the paint on the Huntyak
seems to be finally hardening up
David Wallace
I think your right , I just checked again today and the paint on the Huntyak
seems to be finally hardening up
David Wallace
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 5:09 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: 16' Pirogue
> I have found that most latex paint dries in hours, but needs a month to
'cure' to it's ultimate hardness. It will get there, though, and the ease
of use makes it worth while as far as I'm concerned.
>
> Chuck
> I used plastic paint on my Huntyak but don't think I'll use it again ,
for
> one thing it seems softer than the enamel paint and marks when I use tie
> down straps on it when attaching it to my trailer , I don't save any
thing
> by buying plastic paint as it's the same price as enamel , I'm one of
the
> worst painters in the world but for some reason I can do a better
looking
> job with enamel than with plastic [ this isn't to say that it actually
looks
> good , just that it looks better than the plastic ]
>
>
> David Wallace
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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I have found that most latex paint dries in hours, but needs a month to 'cure' to it's ultimate hardness. It will get there, though, and the ease of use makes it worth while as far as I'm concerned.
Chuck
I used plastic paint on my Huntyak but don't think I'll use it again , for
one thing it seems softer than the enamel paint and marks when I use tie
down straps on it when attaching it to my trailer , I don't save any thing
by buying plastic paint as it's the same price as enamel , I'm one of the
worst painters in the world but for some reason I can do a better looking
job with enamel than with plastic [ this isn't to say that it actually looks
good , just that it looks better than the plastic ]
David Wallace
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Chuck
I used plastic paint on my Huntyak but don't think I'll use it again , for
one thing it seems softer than the enamel paint and marks when I use tie
down straps on it when attaching it to my trailer , I don't save any thing
by buying plastic paint as it's the same price as enamel , I'm one of the
worst painters in the world but for some reason I can do a better looking
job with enamel than with plastic [ this isn't to say that it actually looks
good , just that it looks better than the plastic ]
David Wallace
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I used plastic paint on my Huntyak but don't think I'll use it again , for
one thing it seems softer than the enamel paint and marks when I use tie
down straps on it when attaching it to my trailer , I don't save any thing
by buying plastic paint as it's the same price as enamel , I'm one of the
worst painters in the world but for some reason I can do a better looking
job with enamel than with plastic [ this isn't to say that it actually looks
good , just that it looks better than the plastic ]
David Wallace
one thing it seems softer than the enamel paint and marks when I use tie
down straps on it when attaching it to my trailer , I don't save any thing
by buying plastic paint as it's the same price as enamel , I'm one of the
worst painters in the world but for some reason I can do a better looking
job with enamel than with plastic [ this isn't to say that it actually looks
good , just that it looks better than the plastic ]
David Wallace
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Paquette" <mapaquette@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 2:10 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: 16' Pirogue
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace" <swallace@c...>
wrote:
>
> > Sounds great , do the plans call for sheathing the whole outside with
glass
> > or just the seams
>
> The plans call for building the boat as cheaply as possible, giving
examples of using
> plastic resin glue and latex paint.
>
> This is the first boat I've ever built, and I don't intend to spend much
time or money
> on it. If it lasts 3-4 years, I'll be happy.
>
> A couple of howevers:
>
> First however: in those 3-4 years, I want this boat to be durable, safe,
and somewhat
> maintenance free. So I'm using epoxy on crucial joints for strength, I'll
be covering
> the chines with epoxy and 'glass tape for abrasion resistance, and I'll be
coating the
> interior and exterior with epoxy and porch paint to reduce maintenance
time.
>
> Second however: I don't want to spend too much time or money on something
that I
> intend to make mistakes on. If I make (and learn from!) enough mistakes,
I'll have
> more confidence, motivation, and willingness to commit greater resources
on a
> bigger boat. Martha Jane or AS19, perhaps. We'll see.
>
> > Any chance of pictures
>
> Yes. I've taken pictures, but haven't uploaded them yet. When I get the
time. I'll keep
> everyone posted.
>
> Marc.
>
>
>
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--- "Marc Paquette" <mapaquette@y...> wrote:
so often for 'maintenance'.
Durable, no problem, as long as you
don't drop a ton of rocks on it!
Safe? I believe that 99% of 'safe'
depends on one not being stupid,
drunk, or both, while boating!!!
> First however: in those 3-4 years,Keep it dry between uses and paint it every
> I want this boat to be durable, safe, and somewhat
> maintenance free.
so often for 'maintenance'.
Durable, no problem, as long as you
don't drop a ton of rocks on it!
Safe? I believe that 99% of 'safe'
depends on one not being stupid,
drunk, or both, while boating!!!
Eye bolts, a rod, and some miscellaneous bits of hardware are much simpler than I
anticipated.
Thanks!
Marc.
anticipated.
Thanks!
Marc.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pseudospark" <shansen@t...> wrote:
> If I remember correctly the rudder was to have another pair of
> eyebolts and all four were joined by a length of rod with a bend at
> the top to keep it in place.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Waters" <dgw@d...> wrote:
> I have a few wee boats happily sailing with two eyebolts through
> the stern, two eyebolts epoxied into the rudderhead, and a length of quarter
> inch diameter rod through the loops. Brass is easier to find than stainless,
> but I've found lots of hobby / model shops carry short lengths of 1/4" SS
> rod.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, craig o'donnell <dadadata@f...> wrote:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sailing_canoes/files/Rudder/
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace" <swallace@c...> wrote:
plastic resin glue and latex paint.
This is the first boat I've ever built, and I don't intend to spend much time or money
on it. If it lasts 3-4 years, I'll be happy.
A couple of howevers:
First however: in those 3-4 years, I want this boat to be durable, safe, and somewhat
maintenance free. So I'm using epoxy on crucial joints for strength, I'll be covering
the chines with epoxy and 'glass tape for abrasion resistance, and I'll be coating the
interior and exterior with epoxy and porch paint to reduce maintenance time.
Second however: I don't want to spend too much time or money on something that I
intend to make mistakes on. If I make (and learn from!) enough mistakes, I'll have
more confidence, motivation, and willingness to commit greater resources on a
bigger boat. Martha Jane or AS19, perhaps. We'll see.
everyone posted.
Marc.
> Sounds great , do the plans call for sheathing the whole outside with glassThe plans call for building the boat as cheaply as possible, giving examples of using
> or just the seams
plastic resin glue and latex paint.
This is the first boat I've ever built, and I don't intend to spend much time or money
on it. If it lasts 3-4 years, I'll be happy.
A couple of howevers:
First however: in those 3-4 years, I want this boat to be durable, safe, and somewhat
maintenance free. So I'm using epoxy on crucial joints for strength, I'll be covering
the chines with epoxy and 'glass tape for abrasion resistance, and I'll be coating the
interior and exterior with epoxy and porch paint to reduce maintenance time.
Second however: I don't want to spend too much time or money on something that I
intend to make mistakes on. If I make (and learn from!) enough mistakes, I'll have
more confidence, motivation, and willingness to commit greater resources on a
bigger boat. Martha Jane or AS19, perhaps. We'll see.
> Any chance of picturesYes. I've taken pictures, but haven't uploaded them yet. When I get the time. I'll keep
everyone posted.
Marc.
Mark
Sounds great , do the plans call for sheathing the whole outside with glass
or just the seams
Any chance of pictures
I'll be using Epoxy as the only glue when I do mine as it works out cheaper
here doing that
David Wallace
Sounds great , do the plans call for sheathing the whole outside with glass
or just the seams
Any chance of pictures
I'll be using Epoxy as the only glue when I do mine as it works out cheaper
here doing that
David Wallace
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Paquette" <mapaquette@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:14 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: 16' Pirogue
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace" <swallace@c...>
> wrote:
> > Hi , I'm generally a lurker here most times , while I've built a couple
of
> > canoes I haven't yet built a Bolger design , one that interests me is
the
> > 16' Pirogue , has any one built it ?
>
> I'm in the process of building it now, actually. My father and I assembled
the
> sides, bulkheads, and bottom in less than a week (about 5 out of 7 days of
good
> weather).
>
> My goal is to spend $300 (CDN) and 120 hours for a completed,
ready-to-float
> hull (not including oars, paddles, or sailing rigging). So far so good.
>
> > is it a stitch and glue design
> > or a tack and tape ?
>
> Tack and tape, although I'm only using epoxy for the butt joints, taping
the
> chines, and coating the hull (to prevent the fir plywood's infamous
checking).
> For other joints (bulkheads, chines, gunwales, and so on), I'm using
Bulldog
> PL400.
>
> If you have more questions, feel free to ask.
>
> Marc.
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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Steve
The 19.5 ft length looks good , I couldn't go that long here as the rough
roads would bugger it quick time with that much overhang on my trailer ,
Actually I have a bit of a fascination with boats of that general sort and
length , when I build the BK18 SOF and the 16' Pirogue that will make three
boats all about the same size , but I have to admit that had I seen the 16 '
Pirogue first I wouldn't have bothered with the Huntyak
Regards
David Wallace
The 19.5 ft length looks good , I couldn't go that long here as the rough
roads would bugger it quick time with that much overhang on my trailer ,
Actually I have a bit of a fascination with boats of that general sort and
length , when I build the BK18 SOF and the 16' Pirogue that will make three
boats all about the same size , but I have to admit that had I seen the 16 '
Pirogue first I wouldn't have bothered with the Huntyak
Regards
David Wallace
----- Original Message -----
From: "pseudospark" <shansen@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 4:54 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: 16' Pirogue
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace"
> <swallace@c...> wrote:
> > Yeah , I think that's the one , I saw it here
> >http://www.common-sense-boats.com/boats/Canoes_&_kayaks/pirogue.htm
>
> David,
>
> Yes, that is the one. I got the plans from Common Sense Designs
> (Bernie's company) before he sold it. I'll try to answer your
> questions.
>
> No surprises at all in building. It was my first "from scratch" boat.
> I figure at 19.5 ft. it came in at around 120 lbs or so. Needed one
> more sheet of ply and that was about it. I don't regret building it
> long - plenty of leg room and space for general "stuff."
>
> For near half of its life I cartopped it on a Subaru wagon. Then we
> got a van and it was just too difficult to get on the roof racks and
> tie down. It's been on a trailer since. However, I have never put the
> trailer into the water. I just bolt the dolly wheels on the skeg and
> wheelbarrow it to the water. No need for two people at any stage of
> the process.
>
> I put in a rear seat as well as a forward seat plus the middle seat
> so that added weight. Last year I sawed out the forward seat so there
> would be a clear area to lie down in. I did have a panting problem
> with the bottom which I solved by putting a cross member (1.5 square)
> about half way between the middle seat and the forward bulkhead.
>
> I've taken it out in choppy waters as you often see on the coastal
> rivers and bays of Maine and it behaves quite well.
>
> Steve Hansen
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Marc Paquette" <mapaquette@y...>
wrote:
fasten a pair of galvanized eye bolts to the stern. I think that's
an approximation of what the plans specify. I bedded them in epoxy
and painted them. They've seen lots of salt water (but obviously no
wear to speak of) and are still in good shape. I was going to use
stainless but I didn't want to wait to get them by mail order.
If I remember correctly the rudder was to have another pair of
eyebolts and all four were joined by a length of rod with a bend at
the top to keep it in place.
Steve Hansen
wrote:
> Short of biting the bullet to get manufactured gudgeons andMarc, I never fitted a rudder (or sail) to my Pirogue but I did
> pintles, is there any other way to reliably, cheaply fasten the
> rudder to the stern?
fasten a pair of galvanized eye bolts to the stern. I think that's
an approximation of what the plans specify. I bedded them in epoxy
and painted them. They've seen lots of salt water (but obviously no
wear to speak of) and are still in good shape. I was going to use
stainless but I didn't want to wait to get them by mail order.
If I remember correctly the rudder was to have another pair of
eyebolts and all four were joined by a length of rod with a bend at
the top to keep it in place.
Steve Hansen
Speaking of the CSB pirogue, what have other Pirogue builders done about her
rudder? The instructions and plans are vague on this crucial detail.
Short of biting the bullet to get manufactured gudgeons and pintles, is there any
other way to reliably, cheaply fasten the rudder to the stern?
Marc.
rudder? The instructions and plans are vague on this crucial detail.
Short of biting the bullet to get manufactured gudgeons and pintles, is there any
other way to reliably, cheaply fasten the rudder to the stern?
Marc.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace" <swallace@c...>
wrote:
sides, bulkheads, and bottom in less than a week (about 5 out of 7 days of good
weather).
My goal is to spend $300 (CDN) and 120 hours for a completed, ready-to-float
hull (not including oars, paddles, or sailing rigging). So far so good.
chines, and coating the hull (to prevent the fir plywood's infamous checking).
For other joints (bulkheads, chines, gunwales, and so on), I'm using Bulldog
PL400.
If you have more questions, feel free to ask.
Marc.
wrote:
> Hi , I'm generally a lurker here most times , while I've built a couple ofI'm in the process of building it now, actually. My father and I assembled the
> canoes I haven't yet built a Bolger design , one that interests me is the
> 16' Pirogue , has any one built it ?
sides, bulkheads, and bottom in less than a week (about 5 out of 7 days of good
weather).
My goal is to spend $300 (CDN) and 120 hours for a completed, ready-to-float
hull (not including oars, paddles, or sailing rigging). So far so good.
> is it a stitch and glue designTack and tape, although I'm only using epoxy for the butt joints, taping the
> or a tack and tape ?
chines, and coating the hull (to prevent the fir plywood's infamous checking).
For other joints (bulkheads, chines, gunwales, and so on), I'm using Bulldog
PL400.
If you have more questions, feel free to ask.
Marc.
Bruce
If it's like a round bottom kayak then I know exactly what you mean , a
number of years ago a mate of mine wanted to give me his old kayak as he had
just got a new sea kayak , I tried to get used to it for about a month and a
half , I'm a big boy and just about needed a shoe horn to get in and had to
have help to get out , I had to give it back to him as I couldn't get 20 ft
with out turning over , damn near drowned too many times as I couldn't get
out of it when it turned over
David Wallace
If it's like a round bottom kayak then I know exactly what you mean , a
number of years ago a mate of mine wanted to give me his old kayak as he had
just got a new sea kayak , I tried to get used to it for about a month and a
half , I'm a big boy and just about needed a shoe horn to get in and had to
have help to get out , I had to give it back to him as I couldn't get 20 ft
with out turning over , damn near drowned too many times as I couldn't get
out of it when it turned over
David Wallace
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:55 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: 16' Pirogue
> David,
>
> Do you mean this one?
>http://www.bateau2.com/free/cheapcanoe.htm
>
> If so, I'd say the bateau.com canoe looks much more stable, having a
> flat bottom instead of the Payson Pirogue's multichine which gives
> very little inital stability and less reserve. The effect is similar
> to a round bottom kayak.
>
> Bruce Hector
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace"
> <swallace@c...> wrote:
> >
> > Bruce
> > Is the 13' model much different from the open canoe design in the
> free plan
> > section at www.bateau.com , I made up that canoe a couple of weeks
> ago and
> > then put a deck on it , I find it very stable as long as I don't
> sit more
> > than 4" above the floor , that is the cut off mark for me , I'm
> 6'2" and 240
> > lb and a little top heavy , more than 4" and it just too sudden
> >
> > Regards
> > David Wallace
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
> > To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:47 PM
> > Subject: [bolger] Re: 16' Pirogue
> >
> >
> > > It's the 13' Payson Pirogue from Chapter 3 in MWAOM (that Bolger
> > > calls a canoe, just to make evrything clearer!) that
> is "obnoxiously
> > > tippy", even after two years of using it I have to be very careful
> > > with it. Getting in or out at a dock is a funny thing to watch,
> makes
> > > me look like a sea lion flooping up on a rocky shore.
> > >
> > > Still it looks good a\nd is a light, easy cartopper. I gues you
> can't
> > > have everything.
> > >
> > > Bruce Hector
> > >http://www.brucesboats.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bolger rules!!!
> > > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> > > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
> posts
> > > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and
> <snip> away
> > > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
> Gloucester, MA,
> > 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
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01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace"
<swallace@c...> wrote:
Yes, that is the one. I got the plans from Common Sense Designs
(Bernie's company) before he sold it. I'll try to answer your
questions.
No surprises at all in building. It was my first "from scratch" boat.
I figure at 19.5 ft. it came in at around 120 lbs or so. Needed one
more sheet of ply and that was about it. I don't regret building it
long - plenty of leg room and space for general "stuff."
For near half of its life I cartopped it on a Subaru wagon. Then we
got a van and it was just too difficult to get on the roof racks and
tie down. It's been on a trailer since. However, I have never put the
trailer into the water. I just bolt the dolly wheels on the skeg and
wheelbarrow it to the water. No need for two people at any stage of
the process.
I put in a rear seat as well as a forward seat plus the middle seat
so that added weight. Last year I sawed out the forward seat so there
would be a clear area to lie down in. I did have a panting problem
with the bottom which I solved by putting a cross member (1.5 square)
about half way between the middle seat and the forward bulkhead.
I've taken it out in choppy waters as you often see on the coastal
rivers and bays of Maine and it behaves quite well.
Steve Hansen
<swallace@c...> wrote:
> Yeah , I think that's the one , I saw it hereDavid,
>http://www.common-sense-boats.com/boats/Canoes_&_kayaks/pirogue.htm
Yes, that is the one. I got the plans from Common Sense Designs
(Bernie's company) before he sold it. I'll try to answer your
questions.
No surprises at all in building. It was my first "from scratch" boat.
I figure at 19.5 ft. it came in at around 120 lbs or so. Needed one
more sheet of ply and that was about it. I don't regret building it
long - plenty of leg room and space for general "stuff."
For near half of its life I cartopped it on a Subaru wagon. Then we
got a van and it was just too difficult to get on the roof racks and
tie down. It's been on a trailer since. However, I have never put the
trailer into the water. I just bolt the dolly wheels on the skeg and
wheelbarrow it to the water. No need for two people at any stage of
the process.
I put in a rear seat as well as a forward seat plus the middle seat
so that added weight. Last year I sawed out the forward seat so there
would be a clear area to lie down in. I did have a panting problem
with the bottom which I solved by putting a cross member (1.5 square)
about half way between the middle seat and the forward bulkhead.
I've taken it out in choppy waters as you often see on the coastal
rivers and bays of Maine and it behaves quite well.
Steve Hansen
David,
Do you mean this one?
http://www.bateau2.com/free/cheapcanoe.htm
If so, I'd say the bateau.com canoe looks much more stable, having a
flat bottom instead of the Payson Pirogue's multichine which gives
very little inital stability and less reserve. The effect is similar
to a round bottom kayak.
Bruce Hector
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace"
<swallace@c...> wrote:
Do you mean this one?
http://www.bateau2.com/free/cheapcanoe.htm
If so, I'd say the bateau.com canoe looks much more stable, having a
flat bottom instead of the Payson Pirogue's multichine which gives
very little inital stability and less reserve. The effect is similar
to a round bottom kayak.
Bruce Hector
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace"
<swallace@c...> wrote:
>free plan
> Bruce
> Is the 13' model much different from the open canoe design in the
> section at www.bateau.com , I made up that canoe a couple of weeksago and
> then put a deck on it , I find it very stable as long as I don'tsit more
> than 4" above the floor , that is the cut off mark for me , I'm6'2" and 240
> lb and a little top heavy , more than 4" and it just too suddenis "obnoxiously
>
> Regards
> David Wallace
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:47 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: 16' Pirogue
>
>
> > It's the 13' Payson Pirogue from Chapter 3 in MWAOM (that Bolger
> > calls a canoe, just to make evrything clearer!) that
> > tippy", even after two years of using it I have to be very carefulmakes
> > with it. Getting in or out at a dock is a funny thing to watch,
> > me look like a sea lion flooping up on a rocky shore.can't
> >
> > Still it looks good a\nd is a light, easy cartopper. I gues you
> > have everything.posts
> >
> > Bruce Hector
> >http://www.brucesboats.com
> >
> >
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Bruce
Is the 13' model much different from the open canoe design in the free plan
section at www.bateau.com , I made up that canoe a couple of weeks ago and
then put a deck on it , I find it very stable as long as I don't sit more
than 4" above the floor , that is the cut off mark for me , I'm 6'2" and 240
lb and a little top heavy , more than 4" and it just too sudden
Regards
David Wallace
Is the 13' model much different from the open canoe design in the free plan
section at www.bateau.com , I made up that canoe a couple of weeks ago and
then put a deck on it , I find it very stable as long as I don't sit more
than 4" above the floor , that is the cut off mark for me , I'm 6'2" and 240
lb and a little top heavy , more than 4" and it just too sudden
Regards
David Wallace
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:47 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: 16' Pirogue
> It's the 13' Payson Pirogue from Chapter 3 in MWAOM (that Bolger
> calls a canoe, just to make evrything clearer!) that is "obnoxiously
> tippy", even after two years of using it I have to be very careful
> with it. Getting in or out at a dock is a funny thing to watch, makes
> me look like a sea lion flooping up on a rocky shore.
>
> Still it looks good a\nd is a light, easy cartopper. I gues you can't
> have everything.
>
> Bruce Hector
>http://www.brucesboats.com
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
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Jim
Yeah , Id be very interested in seeing your construction photos , did you
sheath the whole hull with fibreglass ? does the plan call for it ? I had to
do it with the Huntyak as the ply I ordered and the stuff that arrived were
totally different but after a two month wait for it to arrive I wasn't going
to send it back , unfortunately it was 3 ply instead of 5 ply , and the
outside veneers were only .5 of a mm thick but the inside core was 5mm , it
just had no strength , so it was fibreglass all over , I had only intended
to glass the seams up till then .
What size sail does yours have ? I've been toying with the idea of putting a
sail on my Huntyak and definitely putting one on the 16' pirogue if/when I
build one , of course I'll have to learn to sail , I think a outrigger may
be in order here , my record with sailing craft is not good so far , to date
I've been in about a dozen small sailing vessels , mostly cats and dinghies
but so far have never managed to get more than 50 yards from shore , I know
nothing about sailing and so have relied on those I was with , this may have
been a mistake because every time I'd end up with a bump on my head from the
boom and having to swim back to shore because the damn things had turned
over [ you know every dunking started the same way , my mate would call out
" Hey Dave could you pass us a beer " I'd turn around to open the cooler and
the next thing I knew was that I was in the water with a lump on my head ] ,
I'm hoping to change my run of luck with sailing on the Huntyak and the
pirogue as well as the 10 sailing dinghy I'm in the process of building now
Regards
David Wallace
Email :swallace@...
Yeah , Id be very interested in seeing your construction photos , did you
sheath the whole hull with fibreglass ? does the plan call for it ? I had to
do it with the Huntyak as the ply I ordered and the stuff that arrived were
totally different but after a two month wait for it to arrive I wasn't going
to send it back , unfortunately it was 3 ply instead of 5 ply , and the
outside veneers were only .5 of a mm thick but the inside core was 5mm , it
just had no strength , so it was fibreglass all over , I had only intended
to glass the seams up till then .
What size sail does yours have ? I've been toying with the idea of putting a
sail on my Huntyak and definitely putting one on the 16' pirogue if/when I
build one , of course I'll have to learn to sail , I think a outrigger may
be in order here , my record with sailing craft is not good so far , to date
I've been in about a dozen small sailing vessels , mostly cats and dinghies
but so far have never managed to get more than 50 yards from shore , I know
nothing about sailing and so have relied on those I was with , this may have
been a mistake because every time I'd end up with a bump on my head from the
boom and having to swim back to shore because the damn things had turned
over [ you know every dunking started the same way , my mate would call out
" Hey Dave could you pass us a beer " I'd turn around to open the cooler and
the next thing I knew was that I was in the water with a lump on my head ] ,
I'm hoping to change my run of luck with sailing on the Huntyak and the
pirogue as well as the 10 sailing dinghy I'm in the process of building now
Regards
David Wallace
Email :swallace@...
----- Original Message -----
From: <jamesjjstumpf@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] 16' Pirogue
> I built the 16 ft Pirogue that Steve built also. There is nothing tippy
about
> this boat and she is very dry in rough water. Mine is rigged for sail and
> paddle and we have enjoyed using it for two summers now. I wanted to car
top the
> boat but with fiberglass on it it is not a one man job to hike it up on to
the
> truck. We built the Pirogue as a demo at the North American Boat Show in
> Cleveland and I have some construction photos and some on the water, if
you are
> interested I can e mail them to you.
>
> Jim
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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It's the 13' Payson Pirogue from Chapter 3 in MWAOM (that Bolger
calls a canoe, just to make evrything clearer!) that is "obnoxiously
tippy", even after two years of using it I have to be very careful
with it. Getting in or out at a dock is a funny thing to watch, makes
me look like a sea lion flooping up on a rocky shore.
Still it looks good a\nd is a light, easy cartopper. I gues you can't
have everything.
Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
calls a canoe, just to make evrything clearer!) that is "obnoxiously
tippy", even after two years of using it I have to be very careful
with it. Getting in or out at a dock is a funny thing to watch, makes
me look like a sea lion flooping up on a rocky shore.
Still it looks good a\nd is a light, easy cartopper. I gues you can't
have everything.
Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
Steve
Yeah , I think that's the one , I saw it here
http://www.common-sense-boats.com/boats/Canoes_&_kayaks/pirogue.htm
It looks quite good , they reckon the weight is 85 lb , and that doesn't
sound too bad either , I built a Huntyak recently , it's similar in many
ways to the 16' Pirogue but mine ended up much heavier than I intended , I'd
like to build another and make it a bit lighter so it's easier for me to
handle my self if need be , I like the style of boat , reasonably long and
not too bad to paddle and will carry a load , just right for hunting and
fishing , were there any surprises when building it , are the plans easy to
follow , were there any places where in retrospect you could have done it
different and saved weight ?
By the way , your pirogue sure looks good , but damn it's long , do you
carry it on a trailer or cartop ?
Regards
David Wallace
Yeah , I think that's the one , I saw it here
http://www.common-sense-boats.com/boats/Canoes_&_kayaks/pirogue.htm
It looks quite good , they reckon the weight is 85 lb , and that doesn't
sound too bad either , I built a Huntyak recently , it's similar in many
ways to the 16' Pirogue but mine ended up much heavier than I intended , I'd
like to build another and make it a bit lighter so it's easier for me to
handle my self if need be , I like the style of boat , reasonably long and
not too bad to paddle and will carry a load , just right for hunting and
fishing , were there any surprises when building it , are the plans easy to
follow , were there any places where in retrospect you could have done it
different and saved weight ?
By the way , your pirogue sure looks good , but damn it's long , do you
carry it on a trailer or cartop ?
Regards
David Wallace
----- Original Message -----
From: "pseudospark" <shansen@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:44 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: 16' Pirogue
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace"
> <swallace@c...> wrote:
> > I haven't yet built a Bolger design , one that interests me is the
> > 16' Pirogue, has any one built it ?
>
> David, if you mean the Pirogue for which CSB provides plans I built
> one about a dozen years ago. I stretched it to a bit over 19 ft.
> keeping all else the same. I use it with oars, paddles, electric
> motor and pole and it's quite stable. Pictures can be seen at
>http://www.belljar.net/boat.htm. My wife and I use it frequently on
> rivers, lakes and protected coastal areas.
>
> Steve Hansen
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
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>
I built the 16 ft Pirogue that Steve built also. There is nothing tippy about
this boat and she is very dry in rough water. Mine is rigged for sail and
paddle and we have enjoyed using it for two summers now. I wanted to car top the
boat but with fiberglass on it it is not a one man job to hike it up on to the
truck. We built the Pirogue as a demo at the North American Boat Show in
Cleveland and I have some construction photos and some on the water, if you are
interested I can e mail them to you.
Jim
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
this boat and she is very dry in rough water. Mine is rigged for sail and
paddle and we have enjoyed using it for two summers now. I wanted to car top the
boat but with fiberglass on it it is not a one man job to hike it up on to the
truck. We built the Pirogue as a demo at the North American Boat Show in
Cleveland and I have some construction photos and some on the water, if you are
interested I can e mail them to you.
Jim
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace"
<swallace@c...> wrote:
one about a dozen years ago. I stretched it to a bit over 19 ft.
keeping all else the same. I use it with oars, paddles, electric
motor and pole and it's quite stable. Pictures can be seen at
http://www.belljar.net/boat.htm. My wife and I use it frequently on
rivers, lakes and protected coastal areas.
Steve Hansen
<swallace@c...> wrote:
> I haven't yet built a Bolger design , one that interests me is theDavid, if you mean the Pirogue for which CSB provides plans I built
> 16' Pirogue, has any one built it ?
one about a dozen years ago. I stretched it to a bit over 19 ft.
keeping all else the same. I use it with oars, paddles, electric
motor and pole and it's quite stable. Pictures can be seen at
http://www.belljar.net/boat.htm. My wife and I use it frequently on
rivers, lakes and protected coastal areas.
Steve Hansen
Hi , I'm generally a lurker here most times , while I've built a couple of
canoes I haven't yet built a Bolger design , one that interests me is the
16' Pirogue , has any one built it ? if so what was your experience with it
as far as handling goes . it looks from the dimensions to be stable but I
keep seeing things on the net about it being obnoxiously tippy , is this
just under sail or just tippy all together ? is it a stitch and glue design
or a tack and tape ?
Regards
David Wallace
canoes I haven't yet built a Bolger design , one that interests me is the
16' Pirogue , has any one built it ? if so what was your experience with it
as far as handling goes . it looks from the dimensions to be stable but I
keep seeing things on the net about it being obnoxiously tippy , is this
just under sail or just tippy all together ? is it a stitch and glue design
or a tack and tape ?
Regards
David Wallace