Re: Barrier Reef Cruiser

Hi David,for now its working,but its kinda busy there.enjoy
Stephan

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace"
<swallace@c...> wrote:

>
> Tried to have a look but the photo section isn't working
>
>
> David Wallace
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ben_azo" <ben_azo@h...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 1:06 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Barrier Reef Cruiser
>
>
> > Please have a look at the photos section in the Group
> > Boatdesign and see BBB and GM1 & GM2.An idea? Maybe
> > Stephan
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace"
> > <swallace@c...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Well I'm still looking for suitable designs for my future boat ,

> > far the
> > > Chebacco Light Cruiser seems the front runner but the

Hartley

> > 21 looks to
> > > show some promise with a bit of modification although it's

not

> > a Bolger
> > > design , is any one familiar with the CLC , and what is the
> > caper with the
> > > clinker ply version ? is it as strong as the ply and fibreglass
> > version ,
> > > how does the time to build compare between the versions ,
> > how does cost
> > > compare ? any one know ?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > David Wallace
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
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Tried to have a look but the photo section isn't working

David Wallace

----- Original Message -----
From: "ben_azo" <ben_azo@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Barrier Reef Cruiser

> Please have a look at the photos section in the Group
> Boatdesign and see BBB and GM1 & GM2.An idea? Maybe
> Stephan
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace"
> <swallace@c...> wrote:
> >
> > Well I'm still looking for suitable designs for my future boat , so
> far the
> > Chebacco Light Cruiser seems the front runner but the Hartley
> 21 looks to
> > show some promise with a bit of modification although it's not
> a Bolger
> > design , is any one familiar with the CLC , and what is the
> caper with the
> > clinker ply version ? is it as strong as the ply and fibreglass
> version ,
> > how does the time to build compare between the versions ,
> how does cost
> > compare ? any one know ?
> >
> > Regards
> > David Wallace
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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Please have a look at the photos section in the Group
Boatdesign and see BBB and GM1 & GM2.An idea? Maybe
Stephan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace"
<swallace@c...> wrote:

>
> Well I'm still looking for suitable designs for my future boat , so

far the

> Chebacco Light Cruiser seems the front runner but the Hartley

21 looks to

> show some promise with a bit of modification although it's not

a Bolger

> design , is any one familiar with the CLC , and what is the

caper with the

> clinker ply version ? is it as strong as the ply and fibreglass

version ,

> how does the time to build compare between the versions ,

how does cost

> compare ? any one know ?
>
> Regards
> David Wallace

Well I'm still looking for suitable designs for my future boat , so far the
Chebacco Light Cruiser seems the front runner but the Hartley 21 looks to
show some promise with a bit of modification although it's not a Bolger
design , is any one familiar with the CLC , and what is the caper with the
clinker ply version ? is it as strong as the ply and fibreglass version ,
how does the time to build compare between the versions , how does cost
compare ? any one know ?

Regards
David Wallace

Chuck

Looks like a nice boat to me , very nice

David Wallace

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Barrier Reef Cruiser

> Chuck
>
> The Caprice has certainly made the short list , quite a nice looking boat
> are there any pictures of the inside set-up ?
>
> Regards
>
> David Wallace
>
> David:
>
> Here is a page with some more pictures of my Caprice (the only one I know
of) There are some pictures of the interior down toward the bottom of the
page - bear in mind that this was the second time I had her out, and the
boat was not really finished:
>
>http://www.shortypen.com/boats/maib2001/4capric/index.htm
>
> Chuck
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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You may contact MAIB, they sell back issues for $1
last that I remember.

http://www.messingaboutinboats.com/messing.html

Bill

--- Hal Lynch <hal@...> wrote:

>
> On Tuesday, July 1, 2003, at 05:59 PM, pvanderwaart
> wrote:
>
> > If the question is, did Bolger ever design a boat
> with Tennesee
> > accomdation but for rough water, the answer is
> yes. Design #450: Low
> > Powered Outboard Cruiser. It looks a little like a
> 1950 Chevrolet. I
> > am crushed that my scanner is still not working
> and I can not post
> > the drawing. It's in MAIB, Vol15, #22 - April 1,
> 1998. Perhaps
> > someone with a less moody scanner could put it up.
>
> I would very much like a picture or copy of the
> article. Can
> anyone help?
>
> hal
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In a message dated 7/4/2003 11:20:07 PM E. Australia Standard Time,
pvanderw@...writes:

> This thread has ranged far and wide from the original question, which
> was approximately whether Tennesee was fit for the Barrier Reef.
>
> The thought did occur to me that the Bolger design that most closely
> fits the spec, aside of construction considerations, is Libboo, th
> 25' "heavy weather cruiser" shown in 30-Odd Boats. It's a
> displacement cruiser with a 7 kt cruising speed. It's a major job of
> boatbuilding of course, as compared with the simplified plywood boats.
>
> Peter
>

Yes. Bolger writes: "She's meant to be used around Nantucket Sound, seldom
going far from home. ..... I argued for over-powering her because what he wanted
was to be at ease about sudden bad weather. .... The deep keel, shallow stern
and big rudder let her maneuver in strong winds in a fashion unknown to
people brought up on shallow-bodied flying machines..."

It's designed for a cruising speed of six knots or so and uses a Westerbeke
40 diesel engine. Sorry, I don't have access to a scanner.

Howard

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> > > Barrier Reef Cruiser???

This thread has ranged far and wide from the original question, which
was approximately whether Tennesee was fit for the Barrier Reef.

The thought did occur to me that the Bolger design that most closely
fits the spec, aside of construction considerations, is Libboo, th
25' "heavy weather cruiser" shown in 30-Odd Boats. It's a
displacement cruiser with a 7 kt cruising speed. It's a major job of
boatbuilding of course, as compared with the simplified plywood boats.

Peter

In a message dated 7/4/2003 1:14:44 PM E. Australia Standard Time,
brucehallman@...writes:

> --- "Blake Lauder" <blake01@g...> wrote:
> > Barrier Reef Cruiser???
>
> To my knowledge, Bolger doesn't
> have a boat design named
> _Barrier Reef Cruiser_ but
> rather, this thread started as
> a discussion about which Bolger
> boat would be suited as a
> Barrier Reef cruiser.
>

To my knowledge, the nearest PCB has come to designing a Barrier Reef Cruiser
is Sea Hawk, featured in "30-odd Boats". It's a 38 ft wooden launch with
lines similar to Bolger's lobsterboats.

Howard

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--- "Blake Lauder" <blake01@g...> wrote:

> Barrier Reef Cruiser???

To my knowledge, Bolger doesn't
have a boat design named
_Barrier Reef Cruiser_ but
rather, this thread started as
a discussion about which Bolger
boat would be suited as a
Barrier Reef cruiser.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "welshman@p..." <welshman@p...> wrote:

>
> You don't need 7 kts to go up the Missippi, just patience and an eye

for

> back eddies.

I do not agree with that statement.

I have the use of a private launch ramp
@ Crystal City, about 30 miles South of
St. Louis, on the Mississippi.

When I have had lightweight aluminum boats
down there, they were literally ON PLANE
when tied to the dock without me in them.

The current is faster than a "walk" and maybe
slower than a "run"

Also, at lower river stages (levels) the wingdams
are above water, and to go around them one
must go through the current running off their
ends, which is even faster than
the current mid-channel; Or portage over them.
And they are generally spaced about 1000 feet apart,
so there are a LOT of them.

There is "slack water" between the wing dams,
however. You just have to figure out how to
get past them.

Above St. Louis, in the "pool" water, an upstream
paddle might be possible.

Max

That sounds like a really neat book (103 Sailboat Rigs). Any idea where I
may find a picture of a Barrier Reef Cruiser??? I guess I need to look
into MAIB.

Happy 4th
bl
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hallman [mailto:brucehallman@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 4:51 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Just wondering where the info is...

--- "welshman@p..." <welshman@p...> wrote:

> The books by Bolger that are out of print are...

For the sake of completeness;

...there is also a fiction novel _Schorpeion_ (sp?),
that PCB will sell you direct for $15 I think.

And... the book _103 Sail Boat Rigs_,
is available from them directly, [and from Dynamite
Payson]. This is an incredible book, describing
*every* known, and several imaginary, ways to rig
sails on a boat, complete with PB&F's opinion of
the vices and virtues of each rig.

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--- "welshman@p..." <welshman@p...> wrote:

> The books by Bolger that are out of print are...

Howdy Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Planing Caprice

> Have you considered Bolger's Tennessee? Mine would do 15mph

No, but I will now. :) Thanks

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> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Planing Caprice
>
> You don't need 7 kts to go up the Mississippi, just patience and

The 7 knot figure is just an arbitrary number that I've been told is the
speed that the Mississippi flows at. So I figured that at 7 Knots I
would be able to at least have a fighting chance of outmaneuvering Tows.
:) Bear in mind that this is the voice of inexperience talking. :)

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Howdy Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Planing Caprice

> I ask him goofy stiff all the time. If you don't ask
> questions, how you gonna learn?

My response to this was a real big GRIN. :)

I'll forward my requests to Jim, and I'll make em as wild and crazy as I
can :o

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The books by Bolger that are out of print are

Small Boats
The Folding Schooner and Other Adventures in Boat Design
Different Boats (hardest to find)
30 Odd Boats

If you are into boat design they are all very good reading, Bolger writes
very well and.

If you go to www.bookfinder.com and search Philip Bolger you will find them
all, all it requires is money to own the complete set.

Your local library should be able to get them to you on interlibrary loan,
if they don't have them.

HJ

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Bruce Hallmanbrucehallman@...
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 18:10:38 -0000
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Just wondering where the info is...

--- "Blake Lauder" <blake01@g...> wrote:

> Just wondering where the info is

Common Sense Boats/Designs only has
about 10 Bolger designs, and most
people agree that they might no longer
be authorized to sell those designs,
though the actual truth is not clear.

The large majority of Bolger designs
are described in his bi-weekly articles
published in Bob Hicks' boating magazine
_Messing About In Boats_. [MAIB]

*A MUST READ*!!!
Google it and subscribe.

I believe that Bob Hicks sells reprints of
back issues so you can learn more about
most all of the designs. Phil Bolger and
Friends will fax you copies of the MAIB articles
upon request too, in my experience.

The only online database of Bolger boats
is here on this Yahoo Group, click on the
'Database' link of the Yahoo Bolger Group
website. It sometimes points to which MAIB
the boat was published.

Also, buy the Bolger book: _Boats With an Open
Mind_, still in print and well worth reading.

Also, contact the author/boat guru, Dynamite
Payson and buy his "Instant Boats" and "New
Instant Boats" books, mail order from him directly.
Plus, he sells 'study plans' of the Bolger
"Instant Boats" which are very fun to read.
Google "Instant Boats" to find him.

There are several rare out of print books,
plus rare out of print magazine articles,
most notably in the defunct _Small Boat Journal_.
EBay and used book stores are the way to find
these out of print writings.

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--- "Blake Lauder" <blake01@g...> wrote:

> Just wondering where the info is

You don't need 7 kts to go up the Missippi, just patience and an eye for
back eddies. I have a friend who paddled up the Missippi and then across
the Canadian shield on his way to the Yukon river and Nome.

HJ

<snip> I thought that maybe
the Caprice would plane since it had a flat bottom. If it would, then
in all likelihood, it would go faster than 7 knots, which is a magic
figure to me. Anything faster than 7 knots, and I would be able to go
upstream on the Missouri/Mississippi. :) All the better to avoid Tows!
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<snip> I thought that maybe
the Caprice would plane since it had a flat bottom. If it would, then
in all likelihood, it would go faster than 7 knots, which is a magic
figure to me. Anything faster than 7 knots, and I would be able to go
upstream on the Missouri/Mississippi. :) All the better to avoid Tows!
Bruce

Bruce:

Have you considered Bolger's Tennessee? Mine would do 15mph with a 10hp outboard (which was recommended) It is a light boat with plenty of space for stores and sleeping and it will take about as much impoundment chop as you will see. At 29' x 6' it's really a big covered canoe. It's easy to build too. Might work.

Chuck

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Ummmm Nope. Do you think that he would be receptive to such questions?
Bruce

I ask him goofy stiff all the time. If you don't ask questions, how you gonna learn?

Chuck

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Howdy Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Barrier Reef Cruiser
>
> Did you ask Jim what he would suggest given your requirements?

Ummmm Nope. Do you think that he would be receptive to such questions?

See Ya

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Howdy Rick

> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Barrier Reef Cruiser
>
> What size power where you thinking of?

I really wasn't looking at power. I was thinking of various light
powerplants that could be used as inboard engines.

Things like:
Automatic Shaft drive 4wheeler engines with reverse
Jetski drive
Geo Metro automatic with reverse
Ford Fiesta automatic with reverse
Honda Goldwing automatic shaft drive with reverse
Various shaft drive motorcycle engines (manual transmissions w/o
reverse)
Refrigerated Truck Diesel compressor engine
BoB Drive
Etc.

>From what I understand, the Caprice can attain displacement hull speed

with only 6-7 hp, so any of the above engines would be overkill. Since
I was considering some kind of homemade inboard, I thought that maybe
the Caprice would plane since it had a flat bottom. If it would, then
in all likelihood, it would go faster than 7 knots, which is a magic
figure to me. Anything faster than 7 knots, and I would be able to go
upstream on the Missouri/Mississippi. :) All the better to avoid Tows!

See Ya

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Chuck

The Caprice has certainly made the short list , quite a nice looking boat
are there any pictures of the inside set-up ?

Regards

David Wallace

David:

Here is a page with some more pictures of my Caprice (the only one I know of) There are some pictures of the interior down toward the bottom of the page - bear in mind that this was the second time I had her out, and the boat was not really finished:

http://www.shortypen.com/boats/maib2001/4capric/index.htm

Chuck

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Ah, but we have to kick these things around awhile before we go to the
masters.....

Indeed we do. I can't seem to help myself.

And I bet you'd do well in Hollywood, playing that boat designer in the
movie of the week!!!!!!

I'd play John Welsford, if I could just get that Kiwi accent down.

chuck

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Chuck

The Caprice has certainly made the short list , quite a nice looking boat
are there any pictures of the inside set-up ?

Regards

David Wallace

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 3:13 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Barrier Reef Cruiser

> When I was building my Caprice, Jim suggested that It would be perfectly
acceptable to forget the sail rig, and go with a small OB to make it a rough
water motor cruiser. It will do 7mph with the little 5hp Honda at full
throttle. If I were going to make an OB cruiser out of it, I think I would
add some accommodation (Hard top or pilot house, and hang a 9.9 off the
back.
>
> Chuck
> > I would very much like a picture or copy of the article. Can
> > anyone help?
>
> The text is the same as in the link given above:
>http://www.messingaboutinboats.com/archives/mbissueapr1-98.html
>
> The MAIB issue contains a lines drawing in addition to the profiles
> show at the link. The bottom shape is not so different from a tin
> skiff: well v'eed forward and quit flat aft.
>
> You might take a look at the Michalak Dorado:
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jim/dorado/index.htm
> It's small and simple, although designed for higher speed and,
> perhaps, smaller crewpersons.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@d...> wrote:

> Sailboats are displacement shapes, and do very well under limited

power. Fast powerboats on the other hand won't normally sail worth
a flip. > Chuck
]

The best part about using a "sailboat" hull for use as a
displacement cruiser is its handling,in a cross wind,at slow speeds
in a marina. I've watched literally hundreds of power boats each
summer go banging into slips and docks all for want of some lateral
resistence up forward.A sailboat,with its
keel/centerboard/daggerboard etc does nut suffer these indignities.
And that is why I like the Windermere design so much.....she has a
nice big centerboard,up front where it counts the most :-) and lots
of good old bouyancy,also up forward, to help with nasty,un-
cooperative waves.And to think I used to worship at the alter
of "all-sail-all-the-time" never giving a powerboat a second
thought.................

Sincerely,
Peter lenihan

I have a honda 5.5 and it is 60lbs......the 9.9 is right at 100lbs
bl
-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Leinweber [mailto:chuck@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 12:32 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Barrier Reef Cruiser

Rick:

I'm not a boat designer, nor do I play one on TV. I was just talking. I
have a 5hp Honda on the boat now. I don't think a 9.9 would sink the
transom too much. You would just have to maybe shift some of the other gear
onboard. Alternately, I suppose you could go with a well.. or an inboard.

I would consult with the designer before I attempted anything like what we
are talking about here.

Chuck
Chuck,

What size (and weight) outboard do you have on Caprice?

You mentioned a 9.9hp (which is the motor I have waiting for my next
boat). Did you mean for a straight power version of Caprice, where I
assume some underwater changes to the aft hull would be made? Or is
Caprice as designed buoyant enough aft to hold up a 100 lb motor? ... I
am not interested in planing, just using the nice four stroke that I
already own....

And a pilothouse ???? I'm beginning to like this....... A pilothouse
motorsailer version of Caprice.......

Rick

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Ah, but we have to kick these things around awhile before we go to the
masters.....

And I bet you'd do well in Hollywood, playing that boat designer in the
movie of the week!!!!!!

Rick

Chuck Leinweber wrote:

> Rick:
>
> I'm not a boat designer, nor do I play one on TV. I was just talking.
> I have a 5hp Honda on the boat now. I don't think a 9.9 would sink the
> transom too much. You would just have to maybe shift some of the other
> gear onboard. Alternately, I suppose you could go with a well.. or an
> inboard.
>
> I would consult with the designer before I attempted anything like
> what we are talking about here.
>
>
> Chuck
>

That's a big can of worms you have there, Blake. I can only tell you that the Caprice is Jim Michalak's design, and you can read more about it here:

http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jim/caprice/index.htm

Chuck
A quick question for the Bolger gurus: Just wondering where the info is at
on the common sense boats site for boats like Sneakeasy, Caprice, Barrier
Reef Cruiser and other Bolger designs (that I see you guys talking about)
that do not seem to be on the CSB website?

bl
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce C. Anderson [mailto:bcanderson@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 9:24 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Barrier Reef Cruiser

Howdy

> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Barrier Reef Cruiser
>
> Planing version of Caprice.

Is this Jim Michalak's?
Where can I find more information about a Planing version of the
Caprice??

Thanks

See Ya

Have Fun

Bruce

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A quick question for the Bolger gurus: Just wondering where the info is at
on the common sense boats site for boats like Sneakeasy, Caprice, Barrier
Reef Cruiser and other Bolger designs (that I see you guys talking about)
that do not seem to be on the CSB website?

bl
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce C. Anderson [mailto:bcanderson@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 9:24 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Barrier Reef Cruiser

Howdy

> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Barrier Reef Cruiser
>
> Planing version of Caprice.

Rick:

I'm not a boat designer, nor do I play one on TV. I was just talking. I have a 5hp Honda on the boat now. I don't think a 9.9 would sink the transom too much. You would just have to maybe shift some of the other gear onboard. Alternately, I suppose you could go with a well.. or an inboard.

I would consult with the designer before I attempted anything like what we are talking about here.

Chuck
Chuck,

What size (and weight) outboard do you have on Caprice?

You mentioned a 9.9hp (which is the motor I have waiting for my next
boat). Did you mean for a straight power version of Caprice, where I
assume some underwater changes to the aft hull would be made? Or is
Caprice as designed buoyant enough aft to hold up a 100 lb motor? ... I
am not interested in planing, just using the nice four stroke that I
already own....

And a pilothouse ???? I'm beginning to like this....... A pilothouse
motorsailer version of Caprice.......

Rick

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I guess I got the new Dorado planing hull confused with the enlarged Caprice. Still, I'm not sure why displacement hulls get such a bad rap. Sailboats are displacement shapes, and do very well under limited power. Fast powerboats on the other hand won't normally sail worth a flip. If you want both sail and power, you probably want a displacement hull.

Did you ask Jim what he would suggest given your requirements?

Chuck
Howdy Chuck

> Bruce: There isn't one.....Yet. Why don't you write to Jim
> and ask. In fact you should outline your project, and see
> what he has to say.

I did last week. :(

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jim michalak [mailto:michalak@...]
> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:34 PM
> To: Bruce C. Anderson
> Subject: Re: Caprice
>

>> Under power could the Caprice actually plane on it's flat bottom?
>I would say no.
>Jim"

That's why I asked, He said no, and I was sort of surprised to read the
implication that someone was either planing one or building one to
plane. :(

Oh well.

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Bruce,

What size power where you thinking of?

Rick

Bruce C. Anderson wrote:

> Howdy Chuck
>
> > Bruce: There isn't one.....Yet. Why don't you write to Jim
> > and ask. In fact you should outline your project, and see
> > what he has to say.
>
> I did last week. :(
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jim michalak [mailto:michalak@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:34 PM
> > To: Bruce C. Anderson
> > Subject: Re: Caprice
> >
>
> >> Under power could the Caprice actually plane on it's flat bottom?
> >I would say no.
> >Jim"
>
> That's why I asked, He said no, and I was sort of surprised to read the
> implication that someone was either planing one or building one to
> plane. :(
>
> Oh well.
>
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Chuck,

What size (and weight) outboard do you have on Caprice?

You mentioned a 9.9hp (which is the motor I have waiting for my next
boat). Did you mean for a straight power version of Caprice, where I
assume some underwater changes to the aft hull would be made? Or is
Caprice as designed buoyant enough aft to hold up a 100 lb motor? ... I
am not interested in planing, just using the nice four stroke that I
already own....

And a pilothouse ???? I'm beginning to like this....... A pilothouse
motorsailer version of Caprice.......

Rick

Chuck Leinweber wrote:

> > > Planing version of Caprice.
>
> > Is this Jim Michalak's?
> > Where can I find more information about a Planing version of the
> > Caprice??
>
> Bruce: There isn't one.....Yet. Why don't you write to Jim and ask. In
> fact you should outline your project, and see what he has to say.
>
> Chuck

Howdy Chuck

> Bruce: There isn't one.....Yet. Why don't you write to Jim
> and ask. In fact you should outline your project, and see
> what he has to say.

I did last week. :(

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jim michalak [mailto:michalak@...]
> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:34 PM
> To: Bruce C. Anderson
> Subject: Re: Caprice
>

>> Under power could the Caprice actually plane on it's flat bottom?
>I would say no.
>Jim"

> > Planing version of Caprice.

> Is this Jim Michalak's?
> Where can I find more information about a Planing version of the
> Caprice??

Bruce: There isn't one.....Yet. Why don't you write to Jim and ask. In fact you should outline your project, and see what he has to say.

Chuck

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By the way, could the Micro keel be filled with
enough concrete so as to eliminate the lead??
Maybe with a bit of inside ballast?

Max

It seems to me that all you have to do is make is wide enough. Look at the Bolger box keels. So for instance if concrete with scrap steel is half the density of lead, make the keel twice a wide. Why wouldn't that work?

Chuck

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Howdy

> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Barrier Reef Cruiser
>
> Planing version of Caprice.

Is this Jim Michalak's?
Where can I find more information about a Planing version of the
Caprice??

Thanks

See Ya

Have Fun

Bruce

http://myweb.cableone.net/bcanderson/

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@d...> wrote:

> Max: Wasn't Jim working on a bigger Dorado? Dorado Grande maybe?
>
> Chuck

Not that I am aware of, of course he did not tell
me about the 31 foot Caprice.

Just to keep score, I have suggested to Jim the
following:

Planing shantyboat based on the Scram pram

Planing powerboat based on the Electron

Planing version of Caprice.

A 19 foot version of AF4G that uses the same
width and depth of the "G"

A "keel" version of the Music Box 3 that uses
a hollow plywood keel filled with concrete.
Draft would be simliar to a Micro.

By the way, could the Micro keel be filled with
enough concrete so as to eliminate the lead??
Maybe with a bit of inside ballast?

Max

Max: Wasn't Jim working on a bigger Dorado? Dorado Grande maybe?

Chuck
If the Frolic design can be modified slightly to turn
it into an acceptable planing powerboat (Dorado) why
could the Caprice design not be similiarly modified to
turn it into a planing powerboat with, say, 40 hp?

Add a shelter structure such as on Richard's CLC.

Max

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Jeff:

I had a lot more trouble with the Tennessee doing that than the Caprice. It would get real squirrelly when the bow hit a wave, especially if not going directly upwind. The Caprice by comparison is tame. The bow is buoyant enough to rise to any wave I've hit so far.

Chuck
Chuck

Does the Caprice have a tendency to spear into waves if they are tall
enough? I always worried about that with my Frolic2 but it never happen.
As a powerboat only, I'm just curious if it would fail to gain buoyancy fast
enough to keep from nosing into a wave.

I had originally ask JM if it was possible to make my Frolic2 into a 35 foot
Liveaboard Motor/sailer with a 25 HP outboard and a pair of Leeboards, not
just one. He thought it would work very well but we never got past the
concept stage when I fell for the Wyoming.

The spearing of the wave head on was a concern.

Jeff

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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@d...> wrote:

> When I was building my Caprice, Jim suggested that It would be

perfectly acceptable to forget the sail rig, and go with a small OB to
make it a rough water motor cruiser. It will do 7mph with the little
5hp Honda at full throttle. If I were going to make an OB cruiser out
of it, I think I would add some accommodation (Hard top or pilot
house, and hang a 9.9 off the back.

>
> Chuck
>

If the Frolic design can be modified slightly to turn
it into an acceptable planing powerboat (Dorado) why
could the Caprice design not be similiarly modified to
turn it into a planing powerboat with, say, 40 hp?

Add a shelter structure such as on Richard's CLC.

Max

In a message dated 7/2/2003 7:14:33 AM E. Australia Standard Time,
brucehallman@...writes:

> lifts before it can brake the boat and the boat lunges straight ahead
> before the stern has a chance to start swinging into a yaw."
>
> "[The cutwater bow corrects]...a fault common in many contemporary
> fast boats with exaggerated bow overhangs."
>
> Boats like this, beyond Inlet Runner, might include Hawkeye,
> Windermere, Sitka Explorer, Retriever, Champlain?, Micro Trawler?,
> Watervan?, the cutwater version of Sneakeasy?...what else?
>
>

... Fast Motorsailer, Shady Lady, Miniature Steel Tug all have a similar bow,
although I'm not sure whether the steel tug, for example, was meant to run
inlets. An earlier design is Quest, a 38' ft steel workboat that uses what I can
only describe as a vee-bottomed cutwater/box keel.

Howard

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Chuck

Does the Caprice have a tendency to spear into waves if they are tall
enough? I always worried about that with my Frolic2 but it never happen.
As a powerboat only, I'm just curious if it would fail to gain buoyancy fast
enough to keep from nosing into a wave.

I had originally ask JM if it was possible to make my Frolic2 into a 35 foot
Liveaboard Motor/sailer with a 25 HP outboard and a pair of Leeboards, not
just one. He thought it would work very well but we never got past the
concept stage when I fell for the Wyoming.

The spearing of the wave head on was a concern.

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Barrier Reef Cruiser

> When I was building my Caprice, Jim suggested that It would be perfectly
acceptable to forget the sail rig, and go with a small OB to make it a rough
water motor cruiser. It will do 7mph with the little 5hp Honda at full
throttle. If I were going to make an OB cruiser out of it, I think I would
add some accommodation (Hard top or pilot house, and hang a 9.9 off the
back.
>
> Chuck
> > I would very much like a picture or copy of the article. Can
> > anyone help?
>
> The text is the same as in the link given above:
>http://www.messingaboutinboats.com/archives/mbissueapr1-98.html
>
> The MAIB issue contains a lines drawing in addition to the profiles
> show at the link. The bottom shape is not so different from a tin
> skiff: well v'eed forward and quit flat aft.
>
> You might take a look at the Michalak Dorado:
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jim/dorado/index.htm
> It's small and simple, although designed for higher speed and,
> perhaps, smaller crewpersons.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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When I was building my Caprice, Jim suggested that It would be perfectly acceptable to forget the sail rig, and go with a small OB to make it a rough water motor cruiser. It will do 7mph with the little 5hp Honda at full throttle. If I were going to make an OB cruiser out of it, I think I would add some accommodation (Hard top or pilot house, and hang a 9.9 off the back.

Chuck

> I would very much like a picture or copy of the article. Can
> anyone help?

The text is the same as in the link given above:
http://www.messingaboutinboats.com/archives/mbissueapr1-98.html

The MAIB issue contains a lines drawing in addition to the profiles
show at the link. The bottom shape is not so different from a tin
skiff: well v'eed forward and quit flat aft.

You might take a look at the Michalak Dorado:
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jim/dorado/index.htm
It's small and simple, although designed for higher speed and,
perhaps, smaller crewpersons.

Peter

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> I would very much like a picture or copy of the article. Can
> anyone help?

On Tuesday, July 1, 2003, at 05:59 PM, pvanderwaart wrote:

> If the question is, did Bolger ever design a boat with Tennesee
> accomdation but for rough water, the answer is yes. Design #450: Low
> Powered Outboard Cruiser. It looks a little like a 1950 Chevrolet. I
> am crushed that my scanner is still not working and I can not post
> the drawing. It's in MAIB, Vol15, #22 - April 1, 1998. Perhaps
> someone with a less moody scanner could put it up.

I would very much like a picture or copy of the article. Can
anyone help?

hal

All ready done, see junk rigged West Wight Potter at

http://www.puddleducksailing.com/bobberslog/

HJ

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>--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@y...>
>wrote:
>
>
>>Storm Petrel is another boat that could not
>>be sunk in any sea. It is a bobber.
>>
>>
>
>Hmmm, when I finish my Storm Petrel, that may not be a bad name!
>
>Steve Hansen
>
>
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>
>.
>
>
>

Now that one does look interesting , the only information I could find on it
was here
http://www.messingaboutinboats.com/archives/mbissueapr1-98.html

But was anymore ever done with this design , was one built ?

David Wallace

----- Original Message -----
From: "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 9:59 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Barrier Reef Cruiser

> If the question is, did Bolger ever design a boat with Tennesee
> accomdation but for rough water, the answer is yes. Design #450: Low
> Powered Outboard Cruiser. It looks a little like a 1950 Chevrolet. I
> am crushed that my scanner is still not working and I can not post
> the drawing. It's in MAIB, Vol15, #22 - April 1, 1998. Perhaps
> someone with a less moody scanner could put it up.
>
> The intended time/place of use was the Gulf of St. Lawrence in the
> spring and fall.
>
> The bottom is strip and the topsides are ply. However, the commentary
> says they could simplify the construction a lot now. I assume that
> means a bottom like the box keel version of Sneakeasy.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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>
>

If the question is, did Bolger ever design a boat with Tennesee
accomdation but for rough water, the answer is yes. Design #450: Low
Powered Outboard Cruiser. It looks a little like a 1950 Chevrolet. I
am crushed that my scanner is still not working and I can not post
the drawing. It's in MAIB, Vol15, #22 - April 1, 1998. Perhaps
someone with a less moody scanner could put it up.

The intended time/place of use was the Gulf of St. Lawrence in the
spring and fall.

The bottom is strip and the topsides are ply. However, the commentary
says they could simplify the construction a lot now. I assume that
means a bottom like the box keel version of Sneakeasy.

Peter

>I think if you dunked a Sneakeasy, or a
>Tennessee, [or a Chebacco?] that they would
>fill with water and flounder.

Or possibly mud and carp.
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@y...>
wrote:

> Storm Petrel is another boat that could not
> be sunk in any sea. It is a bobber.

Hmmm, when I finish my Storm Petrel, that may not be a bad name!

Steve Hansen

>
> "[The cutwater bow corrects]...a fault common in many contemporary
> fast boats with exaggerated bow overhangs."
>
> Boats like this, beyond Inlet Runner, might include Hawkeye,
> Windermere, Sitka Explorer, Retriever, Champlain?, Micro Trawler?,
> Watervan?, the cutwater version of Sneakeasy?...what else?

Interestingly enough, Mr. Bolger doesn't see the Wyo as having a big problem
because of her Length/Beam ratio and the deep centerboard.

In "normal" swells occuring on large lakes or Ocean outings and given
adequate power (50+ HP), the Wyo is supposed to be "safe enough" to an
experienced and alert helmsman.

Somehow that tells me the Wyo would be safe enough but can bite back if your
careless.

Jeff

--- "jeff" <boatbuilding@g...> lists:

> Wyo, Tennessee, Idaho, Minnesota,
> Illinois, and Sneakeasy are all of the
> same family of boats for protected waters
> only.

[I would love to see an Illinois built. Jeff's list should also
include 'Lake Launch']

Selectively quoting PCB from his Inlet Runner essay:

"The fundamental point about [cutwater bows] is that when they meet a
wave, including the back side of a wave when running a breaking
inlet, they gain buoyancy much faster than they do drag. The bow
lifts before it can brake the boat and the boat lunges straight ahead
before the stern has a chance to start swinging into a yaw."

"[The cutwater bow corrects]...a fault common in many contemporary
fast boats with exaggerated bow overhangs."

Boats like this, beyond Inlet Runner, might include Hawkeye,
Windermere, Sitka Explorer, Retriever, Champlain?, Micro Trawler?,
Watervan?, the cutwater version of Sneakeasy?...what else?

> Sneakeasy and Tennessee are very lightly constructed. The 29' Tennessee

uses

> 3/8" ply (doubled on the bottom), with very little framing. This is OK for
> rivers and small lakes but not really what I would call sea-going.
>

Same for Wyoming using 1/2 plywood and though thee cross members are 4x4s
every 6 feet and a set of "Intercoastals" that run her full length, she's
still lightly built for any kind of heavy seas. But, the Wyo is designed
to run rivers and other protected waters, never to deal with big swells let
alone open ocean!

Wyo, Tennessee, Idaho, Minnesota, Illinois, and Sneakeasy are all of the
same family of boats for protected waters only.

Jeff

In a message dated 7/2/2003 5:44:46 AM E. Australia Standard Time,
brucehallman@...writes:

> Also, PB&F designs boats where you don't need
> to expose yourself on deck in bad weather.
> [Not to mention the tabernacled masts ability
> to lower in bad weather (and/or surf)]
>
> I think if you dunked a Sneakeasy, or a
> Tennessee, [or a Chebacco?] that they would
> fill with water and flounder.
>
> Storm Petrel is another boat that could not
> be sunk in any sea. It is a bobber.
>
>

Sneakeasy and Tennessee are very lightly constructed. The 29' Tennessee uses
3/8" ply (doubled on the bottom), with very little framing. This is OK for
rivers and small lakes but not really what I would call sea-going.

Howard

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--- "Steve Bosquette" <sbosquette@c...> wrote:

> to the discussion of seaworthiness
> Broaching could lead to disaster

I have tried to follow PB&F's logic,
designing 'seaworthy' boats, but i'm
not sure I understand. He makes a
distinction between 'seaworthy' and
'seakeeping ability'?

Perhaps someone could explain the difference.

I *can* glean, that PB&F designs boats with
lots of buoyancy high up, see for instance
the enclosed volume of Fiji, Tahiti, Yonder,
even of Micro Navigator. All these boats,
could be broached, dunked, rolled and still
not flood.

I bet the Coast Guard surf rescue boats have
lots of buoyancy high up too.

Also, PB&F designs boats where you don't need
to expose yourself on deck in bad weather.
[Not to mention the tabernacled masts ability
to lower in bad weather (and/or surf)]

I think if you dunked a Sneakeasy, or a
Tennessee, [or a Chebacco?] that they would
fill with water and flounder.

Storm Petrel is another boat that could not
be sunk in any sea. It is a bobber.

Peter
It seems just a short while ago that you were freezing on the shore
of the St Lawrence.
As to your inquiry about the cracks in the chines. The cracks were
in the fiberglass cloth, not in the wood. I used PL premium adhesive
and she didn't leak much at any rate. The point is I failed to use
reinforcing tape on the chines but rather used just 5 oz cloth when I
built her. Because of the long lever action the cloth failed in a
few places. This spring I sanded the chines and epoxied reinforcing
tape the entire length putting onb 3 heavy coats of epoxy. It has
been fine so far, no cracking at the chines.
Lesson well learned!

In response to the discussion of seaworthiness I have had Katie in 8
ft swells, not fun but not unsafe either. Broaching could lead to
disaster but I was even surfing straight down the waves with no
problems. Casco Bay Maine is very rough with large boat wakes,
ferries, etc, But I never felt anxious.

Steve Bosquette

>
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,stalling at the computer in air conditioned comfort
> while contemplating heading out to the boat for another day of

roast-

> n-boast boat building,along the banks of the St.Lawrence
> Seaway........
>

Bruce

Thanks , that is the sort of information I need because as I said , I know
bugger all about the subject

Regards
David Wallace

----- Original Message -----
From: <fountainb@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: 2003 Sneakeasy modifications

> David & Shirley Wallace wrote:
>
> > asked if the Tennessee could be fitted with lee
> > boards like some of the sail boats and would that
> > make it any better in a larger sea , well I certainly
> > have no idea , does any one here know how that would
> > effect things ?
>
> Leeboards and keels are required on sailboats to prevent
> lateral slip, which mostly arises as a result of the fact
> that the wind usually wants to push the boat sideways as
> well as forward. This isn't much of an issue on powerboats
> because they aren't using wind as their motive force.
>
> I doubt that leeboards would make the boat more seaworthy,
> in fact it might cause it to "trip" in a broaching sea.
> What they would be good for is for giving directional
> stability in a cross wind, especially when docking. I think
> that the BIG power sharpie (sorry, forget its name) has a
> centreboard for this reason.
>
> Bruce Fountain
> Senior Software Engineer
> Union Switch & Signal
> Perth, Western Australia
>
>
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Yeah , a very nice boat and if I was going to confine my self to bays and
sheltered water it would be the one for me

David Wallace

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] 2003 Sneakeasy modifications

> David:
>
> This is about the only thing still around:
>
>http://www.anyboat.com/leinweber/tennessee.htm
>
> chuck
>
>
> Chuck
>
> You got any pictures of your Tennessee around any where ?
>
> The open ocean areas where I'd want to take a boat are areas where 5-6'
> swells are normal , the wind seems to blow pretty steady around there
for
> about half the year , or at least that is from what I've seen ,
>
> David Wallace
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Meant to say before I have no problem with having a sail on the boat , it's
just my wife who doesn't like the idea of sailing , as I've said I know
nothing about sailing and my previous attempts haven't worked out well but I
intend to rig a sail on the Huntyak and will be starting on a sailing dinghy
in the next few weeks just so I can learn more about it

Regards
David Wallace

----- Original Message -----
From: "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:59 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Barrier Reef Cruiser

>
> David,
>
> Let me suggest a couple of questions that you are going to have to
> answer for youself as you look at different designs. You have already
> sketched out the idea of capacity and raised the question of power
> vs. sail.
>
> How much speed do you need? A sailboat is going to be limited to the
> 5 - 6 knot range. A displacement powerboat will be about the same. At
> the other end of the speed range, you would probably be looking at a
> light outboard with 25-30kt capability. In the middle, there are
> power craft of varying speed with quite a few having top speeds in
> the 10-15kt range. I would guess that Tennesee is one. Think about
> the distances you will be crossing and how long it will take.
>
> If you have power, do you want sail as a backup? If the area is
> remote, it makes sense. Bolger has at least three boats that suggest
> the possibilites: Merlin (ex Marina Cruiser), the Fast Motorsailer,
> and a 24' outboard cruiser shown in one of his earlier books.
>
> What range of construction options are you willing to consider? Most
> beginners think about ply construction, but those who have tried them
> think that other constructions are more intimidating in prospect than
> in practice, although they may take longer. Stip construction, for
> example, is pretty foolproof if you can get the right material.
>
> Bolger has too many possible sailboat designs to even list them all:
> Martha Jane, Jesse Cooper, Long Micro,..... Aside from the ones
> mentioned above, there are several powerboats: Ply diesel cruiser,
> for example.
>
> Peter
>
> p.s. Looking at the plans for Tennesee, I always though that the
> taper of the bunks detracted a lot from the cruisibility of the
> design. With just a little more length, she could be lot better.
> Perhaps Chuck, or someone else with experience could comment.
>
> It's too bad when such a little detail costs so much in useability. I
> just noted that the "dinette table" in a particular 28' sailboat was
> about the size of a buffet dinner tray. How could 4 people sit down
> to dinner together?
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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The Devlin designs are pretty neat but all the ones I've seen are more
towards a faster boat than I want , I like slow and easy , I find it
relaxing , and I suppose I am a little twitchy about speed as I've been in
more on water collisions that I'd like , none when I was in control , it
doesn't mater if what you hit is a sand bank , floating log , rock bar or a
old dead tree in a lake the result isn't good and sort of takes the fun out
of the whole day

I had a look for a picture of the Seabird '86 but couldn't find one , has
anyone got a link ?

Regards
David Wallace

----- Original Message -----
From: "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 12:26 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Barrier Reef Cruiser

> Most of the boats I mentioned are eliminated by one or another of
> your criteria. However, the idea of a S+G, displacement power cruiser
> is very feasible. Very much Sam Devlin's line of country, I would
> say.http://www.devlinboat.com/Dipper, for example. Surf Scoter is
> one of his most popular designs, but it's optimized for a higher
> speed.
>
> It's not a type that Bolger has featured too much. His Seabird '86 is
> a S&G boat that was considered as an outboard motorsailer. He has a
> Navigator (i.e. pilothouse) version that could do as a straight
> powerboat. The original version would be pretty low inside for your
> taste.
>
> If you are really worried about hitting things, his 16' steel tug
> would be pretty safe....
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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David & Shirley Wallace wrote:

> asked if the Tennessee could be fitted with lee
> boards like some of the sail boats and would that
> make it any better in a larger sea , well I certainly
> have no idea , does any one here know how that would
> effect things ?

Leeboards and keels are required on sailboats to prevent
lateral slip, which mostly arises as a result of the fact
that the wind usually wants to push the boat sideways as
well as forward. This isn't much of an issue on powerboats
because they aren't using wind as their motive force.

I doubt that leeboards would make the boat more seaworthy,
in fact it might cause it to "trip" in a broaching sea.
What they would be good for is for giving directional
stability in a cross wind, especially when docking. I think
that the BIG power sharpie (sorry, forget its name) has a
centreboard for this reason.

Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia

I've been looking at pictures on the internet on and off since yesterday of
different boats and so far the ones that catch my eye are the Martha Jane ,
the Jessie Cooper and the micro Navigator , they all look to have some of my
wants , not all them but some of them , mind you I really don't know much
about bigger boats , all my experience to date having been with canoes and
smaller outboard dinghies ,

A mate of mine dropped in before while I was looking at pictures of the
Tennessee , now he knows about much about boats as I do [ bugger all ] and
asked if the Tennessee could be fitted with lee boards like some of the sail
boats and would that make it any better in a larger sea , well I certainly
have no idea , does any one here know how that would effect things ?

David Wallace

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 12:53 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: 2003 Sneakeasy modifications

> --- "David Wallace" <swallace@c...> wrote:
> > which big one ? how big ?
>
> The AS-29, a plywood, shallow draft,
> seaworthy boat, with room to live in,
> plus headroom where it counts. Capable
> of both motoring and sailing, check out
> the Advanced Sharpie 29. Bolger's
> "AS-29" 29 x 8 feet (9M x 2.5M)
>
> If I recall correctly, the most updated
> version of this boat design from PB&F
> has the option of some steel plate on
> the bottom, to survive those bumps with
> the unknown.
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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--- "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...>

> Was this up-date also for the AS-29?
> I thought it was only for the
> AS-39,

The AS-39 update came out only a few
months back. The AS-29 was updated, two
or three years ago, but I am not sure
as that issue of MAIB was lost in the
mail for me. I recall that they added
a curved fairing to control the splashing
under her flat bow, and that they added
armor plating on the bottom of the hull
for ballast and protection. Someone
please correct me if I am wrong. There
could have been a few other things updated
like, I believe they added a dog-house
above the toilet, to allow standing
head room there. [pun]

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@y...>
wrote:
check out

> the Advanced Sharpie 29. Bolger's
> "AS-29" 29 x 8 feet (9M x 2.5M)
>
> If I recall correctly, the most updated
> version of this boat design from PB&F
> has the option of some steel plate on
> the bottom, to survive those bumps with
> the unknown.

Bruce,
Was this up-date also for the AS-29? I thought it was only for the
AS-39,like the one being built by Jean Gauthier of"La Cabotin" fame.

Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan

David:

This is about the only thing still around:

http://www.anyboat.com/leinweber/tennessee.htm

chuck

Chuck

You got any pictures of your Tennessee around any where ?

The open ocean areas where I'd want to take a boat are areas where 5-6'
swells are normal , the wind seems to blow pretty steady around there for
about half the year , or at least that is from what I've seen ,

David Wallace

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- "David Wallace" <swallace@c...> wrote:

> which big one ? how big ?

The AS-29, a plywood, shallow draft,
seaworthy boat, with room to live in,
plus headroom where it counts. Capable
of both motoring and sailing, check out
the Advanced Sharpie 29. Bolger's
"AS-29" 29 x 8 feet (9M x 2.5M)

If I recall correctly, the most updated
version of this boat design from PB&F
has the option of some steel plate on
the bottom, to survive those bumps with
the unknown.

Most of the boats I mentioned are eliminated by one or another of
your criteria. However, the idea of a S+G, displacement power cruiser
is very feasible. Very much Sam Devlin's line of country, I would
say.http://www.devlinboat.com/Dipper, for example. Surf Scoter is
one of his most popular designs, but it's optimized for a higher
speed.

It's not a type that Bolger has featured too much. His Seabird '86 is
a S&G boat that was considered as an outboard motorsailer. He has a
Navigator (i.e. pilothouse) version that could do as a straight
powerboat. The original version would be pretty low inside for your
taste.

If you are really worried about hitting things, his 16' steel tug
would be pretty safe....

Peter

> >
> > It's too bad when such a little detail costs so much in useability. I
> > just noted that the "dinette table" in a particular 28' sailboat was
> > about the size of a buffet dinner tray. How could 4 people sit down
> > to dinner together?
> >

One bowl of food and four forks. How much room do you need?

:-)

Peter

I like slow and easy , 5-6 knots would suit me fine , I'm never in a hurry
when on the water and prefer going slow so I have time to look around and
enjoy the trip , the hazards of speed were bought home to me many years ago
when I saw a small plywood speed boat hit a very large turtle , neither the
boat , driver or turtle survived ,

Some thing with a light powered outboard , maybe up to 25 hp at the most or
a small putt putt diesel motor would do me

I have a fondness for glue and stitch , mainly because where I am the
easiest material to get is ply , it's even a difficult job getting decent
framing timber most times , strip construction is right out , where I am
there is a problem with getting timber , all the nearest mills are about 300
or more km away and they only cut hardwood , to get good softwood for
framing I'd have to get it sent up from Brisbane , and that creates another
problem , when timber is sent up here most times it's still a little green
couple that with the fact it's coming from a environment where the humidity
is about 75-80 % and temperature gets up to about 30*C , it has to travel
about 1000 km and when it gets here the temp is about 42*C and the humidity
about 5% , the effect on timber is dramatic ,

I'm not familiar with many of the designs you mentioned , I'll try and look
them up .

Thanks

David W

----- Original Message -----
From: "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:59 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Barrier Reef Cruiser

>
> David,
>
> Let me suggest a couple of questions that you are going to have to
> answer for youself as you look at different designs. You have already
> sketched out the idea of capacity and raised the question of power
> vs. sail.
>
> How much speed do you need? A sailboat is going to be limited to the
> 5 - 6 knot range. A displacement powerboat will be about the same. At
> the other end of the speed range, you would probably be looking at a
> light outboard with 25-30kt capability. In the middle, there are
> power craft of varying speed with quite a few having top speeds in
> the 10-15kt range. I would guess that Tennesee is one. Think about
> the distances you will be crossing and how long it will take.
>
> If you have power, do you want sail as a backup? If the area is
> remote, it makes sense. Bolger has at least three boats that suggest
> the possibilites: Merlin (ex Marina Cruiser), the Fast Motorsailer,
> and a 24' outboard cruiser shown in one of his earlier books.
>
> What range of construction options are you willing to consider? Most
> beginners think about ply construction, but those who have tried them
> think that other constructions are more intimidating in prospect than
> in practice, although they may take longer. Stip construction, for
> example, is pretty foolproof if you can get the right material.
>
> Bolger has too many possible sailboat designs to even list them all:
> Martha Jane, Jesse Cooper, Long Micro,..... Aside from the ones
> mentioned above, there are several powerboats: Ply diesel cruiser,
> for example.
>
> Peter
>
> p.s. Looking at the plans for Tennesee, I always though that the
> taper of the bunks detracted a lot from the cruisibility of the
> design. With just a little more length, she could be lot better.
> Perhaps Chuck, or someone else with experience could comment.
>
> It's too bad when such a little detail costs so much in useability. I
> just noted that the "dinette table" in a particular 28' sailboat was
> about the size of a buffet dinner tray. How could 4 people sit down
> to dinner together?
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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>
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>
>
>
>

David,

Let me suggest a couple of questions that you are going to have to
answer for youself as you look at different designs. You have already
sketched out the idea of capacity and raised the question of power
vs. sail.

How much speed do you need? A sailboat is going to be limited to the
5 - 6 knot range. A displacement powerboat will be about the same. At
the other end of the speed range, you would probably be looking at a
light outboard with 25-30kt capability. In the middle, there are
power craft of varying speed with quite a few having top speeds in
the 10-15kt range. I would guess that Tennesee is one. Think about
the distances you will be crossing and how long it will take.

If you have power, do you want sail as a backup? If the area is
remote, it makes sense. Bolger has at least three boats that suggest
the possibilites: Merlin (ex Marina Cruiser), the Fast Motorsailer,
and a 24' outboard cruiser shown in one of his earlier books.

What range of construction options are you willing to consider? Most
beginners think about ply construction, but those who have tried them
think that other constructions are more intimidating in prospect than
in practice, although they may take longer. Stip construction, for
example, is pretty foolproof if you can get the right material.

Bolger has too many possible sailboat designs to even list them all:
Martha Jane, Jesse Cooper, Long Micro,..... Aside from the ones
mentioned above, there are several powerboats: Ply diesel cruiser,
for example.

Peter

p.s. Looking at the plans for Tennesee, I always though that the
taper of the bunks detracted a lot from the cruisibility of the
design. With just a little more length, she could be lot better.
Perhaps Chuck, or someone else with experience could comment.

It's too bad when such a little detail costs so much in useability. I
just noted that the "dinette table" in a particular 28' sailboat was
about the size of a buffet dinner tray. How could 4 people sit down
to dinner together?

Chuck

You got any pictures of your Tennessee around any where ?

The open ocean areas where I'd want to take a boat are areas where 5-6'
swells are normal , the wind seems to blow pretty steady around there for
about half the year , or at least that is from what I've seen ,

David Wallace

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] 2003 Sneakeasy modifications

> ....I also lust after the TENNESSEE and IDAHO but worry they may only be
> suitable for very calm water , but being as I know very little about
larger
> boats this may not be so .
>
> Regards
> David Wallace
>
> David:
>
> I built a Tennessee in 1995 and used it for about five years,
encountering in that time some rough conditions. We had her on Lake Amistad
(on the Mexico/Texas border) when the wind came up and blew a nasty 4-5ft
swell. It was wet and rough and we finally found a creek to get into for
shelter, but I did not feel that we were in any danger as long as we did not
broach. The boat hardly notices a 3 ft chop.
>
> Chuck
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
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>
>

While I'm only making small boats right now I consider it all practice for a
big one , which big one ? how big ? no idea , that is why I'm here , I don't
figure to start for a year or two and so want to gain as much information
about what will suit my needs as possible ,

First off the places I will take the boat will for the most part be
reasonably sheltered , amongst close off shore islands and such at the lower
end of the great barrier reef , my parents and brothers bought blocks of
land in and around the Gladstone area in Central Queensland and I'll be
spending a fair bit of time around there , as I said mostly sheltered waters
but some times areas with a fair bit of rolling swells , the ability to
traverse shallow areas is a must , and so is the ability to handle a bit of
sea when not sheltered from the prevailing winds , the ability to live
aboard for a week or so is a must and a bit of head room is a must as well
[ I'm 6'2" and 240 lb , not the sort of build to get around to bent double ]
I was originally thinking of sail but I don't know any thing about sailing
and after talking to several people who had spent time trying to sail in
those areas it may not be the best idea , they reckon that in the sheltered
areas the winds are too erratic because of the mountains and lay of the land
in general and I would be motoring most of the time any way , the lay out of
the Tennessee would have been ideal if not for the open ocean areas I would
have to cross in order to get to more of the sheltered areas , is there any
way to make a design like the Tennessee more sea worthy ?

Regards
David Wallace

----- Original Message -----
From: "craig o'donnell" <dadadata@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] 2003 Sneakeasy modifications

> >I also lust after the TENNESSEE and IDAHO but worry they may only be
> >suitable for very calm water , but being as I know very little about
larger
> >boats this may not be so
>
> I never was able to find a page of summary stats for the Chesapeake
> as far as wave height though maybe I'm not looking in the right
> places....
>
> ... anyway, think of these power sharpies as river/lake/harbor/bay
> boats. Chincoteague Bay.... Long Island Sound on a nice day ... etc.
>
> I'd go outside (but stay in sight of the beach) on a day with VERY
> SETTLED weather, and I'd make sure I was going somewhere that I could
> duck into a creek or inlet if pressed. They're very seaworthy, but
> aren't heavy weather boats. remember that our collective ancestors
> went out in all but the worst conditions in sailing sharpies.
>
> Back in about 1926 a couple crazies sailed (well, outboard-motored) a
> couple of sneakboxes from NYC to Florida -- see F Slade Dale, "By
> Sneakbox to Florida" -- via what would end up being the Intracoastal
> Waterway, with a few jaunts "outside". I'd feel a lot safer in
> Sneakeasy than in a 12ft sneakbox with a 1925-era outboard!
>
> As they say, the boat can take more than you can, and there's no
> reason it isn't true with the power sharpies.
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Gosh Steve, I think your mods look very sharp, and certainly more
practical than the original. Nothing spoils enjoyment of a quick
powerboat more than wind and spray in your eyes. Well done
DonB

Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Bosquette" <sbosquette@c...>
wrote:

> Hi Group
> I have added new photos to my website of my 2003 Modifications
> to "Katie".
>http://www.geocities.com/sneakeasy2000/index.html
>
> Steve Bosquette

>Chuck regularly used his in the ocean off south Texas.
>
>Bruce Hector

Well, exactly, but I still would not want to run New Jersey or North
Carolina inlets in bad conditions with one of these!
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Chuck

Will be away for a day or two see you all in a few days , will talk some
more about this when I get back , if I haven't
answered any email will do so then , can't see any more tonight , got a
welding flash yesterday and it's getting worse ,
David Wallace

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] 2003 Sneakeasy modifications

> ....I also lust after the TENNESSEE and IDAHO but worry they may only be
> suitable for very calm water , but being as I know very little about
larger
> boats this may not be so .
>
> Regards
> David Wallace
>
> David:
>
> I built a Tennessee in 1995 and used it for about five years,
encountering in that time some rough conditions. We had her on Lake Amistad
(on the Mexico/Texas border) when the wind came up and blew a nasty 4-5ft
swell. It was wet and rough and we finally found a creek to get into for
shelter, but I did not feel that we were in any danger as long as we did not
broach. The boat hardly notices a 3 ft chop.
>
> Chuck
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Very nice modifications Steve and unlike some,yours add not only
practicality but a nice esthetic boost as well!
Just out of interest, you mention having to re-tape your chines which
had split/cracked. If it is not too embarassing, would you mind
elaborating on the nature of these cracks and what your thinking is
behind the probable cause of them.
I only ask to find out if it is a scantling problem( too small
sectional dimension) or a material choice problem like using
the"wrong" type of wood for the job. Then again it may be something
unthought of as yet and worth passing on to future builders and even
the designer.
At any rate, I look forward to seeing KATIE in the flesh,in the
water,in Kingston :-)

Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,stalling at the computer in air conditioned comfort
while contemplating heading out to the boat for another day of roast-
n-boast boat building,along the banks of the St.Lawrence
Seaway........

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Bosquette" <sbosquette@c...>
wrote:

> Hi Group
> I have added new photos to my website of my 2003 Modifications
> to "Katie".
>http://www.geocities.com/sneakeasy2000/index.html
>
> Steve Bosquette

Chuck regularly used his in the ocean off south Texas.

Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com

It was salt water, Bruce, but I kept her in the bays. Not that those can't get pretty choppy sometimes.
chuck

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

....I also lust after the TENNESSEE and IDAHO but worry they may only be
suitable for very calm water , but being as I know very little about larger
boats this may not be so .

Regards
David Wallace

David:

I built a Tennessee in 1995 and used it for about five years, encountering in that time some rough conditions. We had her on Lake Amistad (on the Mexico/Texas border) when the wind came up and blew a nasty 4-5ft swell. It was wet and rough and we finally found a creek to get into for shelter, but I did not feel that we were in any danger as long as we did not broach. The boat hardly notices a 3 ft chop.

Chuck

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace"
<swallace@c...> wrote:I also lust after the TENNESSEE and IDAHO but
worry they may only be suitable for very calm water , but being as I
know very little about larger boats this may not be so.

These boats regularly cruise the waterways of North America and
Australia, including making jaunts across the Great Lakes, which
their speed permits on a good forcast.

Chuck regularly used his in the ocean off south Texas.

Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com

Beautiful, and more useful too! Great job Steve. I can't wait to
finally get a ride in it at the Kingston Messabout. But don't let my
sister see it, or she'll have me building one for her. She wanted one
when she first saw it in MWAOM. But she's sorta forgot about it, this
may remind her.

Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com

>I also lust after the TENNESSEE and IDAHO but worry they may only be
>suitable for very calm water , but being as I know very little about larger
>boats this may not be so

I never was able to find a page of summary stats for the Chesapeake
as far as wave height though maybe I'm not looking in the right
places....

... anyway, think of these power sharpies as river/lake/harbor/bay
boats. Chincoteague Bay.... Long Island Sound on a nice day ... etc.

I'd go outside (but stay in sight of the beach) on a day with VERY
SETTLED weather, and I'd make sure I was going somewhere that I could
duck into a creek or inlet if pressed. They're very seaworthy, but
aren't heavy weather boats. remember that our collective ancestors
went out in all but the worst conditions in sailing sharpies.

Back in about 1926 a couple crazies sailed (well, outboard-motored) a
couple of sneakboxes from NYC to Florida -- see F Slade Dale, "By
Sneakbox to Florida" -- via what would end up being the Intracoastal
Waterway, with a few jaunts "outside". I'd feel a lot safer in
Sneakeasy than in a 12ft sneakbox with a 1925-era outboard!

As they say, the boat can take more than you can, and there's no
reason it isn't true with the power sharpies.
--
Craig O'Donnell
Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
The Cheap Pages <http://www2.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
_________________________________

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-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
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I've long lusted after the Sneakeasy but the reality of it is that it's just
too long to turn around in most of the creeks I go in and my wife reckons
that if I'm going to build some thing that long I may as well make some
thing we can live on for a week or so at a time , but it is nice , very nice
,

I also lust after the TENNESSEE and IDAHO but worry they may only be
suitable for very calm water , but being as I know very little about larger
boats this may not be so .

Regards
David Wallace

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Bosquette" <sbosquette@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:47 PM
Subject: [bolger] 2003 Sneakeasy modifications

> Hi Group
> I have added new photos to my website of my 2003 Modifications
> to "Katie".
>http://www.geocities.com/sneakeasy2000/index.html
>
> Steve Bosquette
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>
>
>
>

Very nice looking, attractive, boat and paint job.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Bosquette" <sbosquette@c...>
wrote:

> Hi Group
> I have added new photos to my website of my 2003 Modifications
> to "Katie".
>http://www.geocities.com/sneakeasy2000/index.html
>
> Steve Bosquette

Hi Group
I have added new photos to my website of my 2003 Modifications
to "Katie".
http://www.geocities.com/sneakeasy2000/index.html

Steve Bosquette