Re: Self-trailering boat/sidewheeler

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, lon wells <lononriver@y...> wrote:
> Brain Storming Bizarre idea
> Leave the tires on and slip a paddle wheel over them
> and have a sidewheeler. It would be possible to have a
> inner tube between the tire and the paddle wheels that
> you could inflate that would self center and hold the
> paddlewheel in place. The paddlewheel could have a
> gear on it (from a car flywheel) that would connect to
> a line shaft on the boat.

Again, such contraptions seem to work alright for light crafts but
don't scale very well to the river cruiser size.

Paddle-wheel tricycles have been around since the 1890s
see www.americanartifacts.com/smma/velo/velo.htm

The modern version is the Aqua-Cycle, rented at many resorts
see www.aqua-cycle.com

But the incompatible requirments of river cruising versus highway
hauling seems to always result in a seperate trailer being the most
practical solution.
If you have power to the wheels, it isn't a trailer anymore, it's amphibious!

Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: lon wells
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Self-trailering boat/sidewheeler


Brain Storming Bizarre idea
Leave the tires on and slip a paddle wheel over them
and have a sidewheeler. It would be possible to have a
inner tube between the tire and the paddle wheels that
you could inflate that would self center and hold the
paddlewheel in place. The paddlewheel could have a
gear on it (from a car flywheel) that would connect to
a line shaft on the boat.
Lon




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Brain Storming Bizarre idea
Leave the tires on and slip a paddle wheel over them
and have a sidewheeler. It would be possible to have a
inner tube between the tire and the paddle wheels that
you could inflate that would self center and hold the
paddlewheel in place. The paddlewheel could have a
gear on it (from a car flywheel) that would connect to
a line shaft on the boat.
Lon

--- Bill Derby <bill@...> wrote:
> Not to mention the additional lighting and licensing
> requirements - hmmmm, would you have to license it
> as a trailer and a boat?
>
> B
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: cwgriesel
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 3:32 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Self-trailering boat
>
>
> Anyone ever heard of such a thing? I was
> thinking, it sure would
> be handy to have a boat that was built to accept a
> bolt-on hitch in
> front and a bolt-on cradle and wheels in the
> middle. Both the
> hitch and the cradle could both be stowed onboard.
> That way, a
> person could cruise rivers one way, then rent a
> truck one way to
> haul the whole thing back home. A person could
> double their
> cruising distance and avoid having to see the same
> scenery
> twice on any given outing. Of course, the boat
> would have to be
> built specifically for this purpose, with the
> additional internal
> framing and support needed to be pulled as a
> trailer as well as
> floated as a boat.
>
> Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?
>
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As a matter of fact Fritz is currently building a trailer for the
Sneakeasy. Planning on trailering across Canada to Wisconsin. He hopes
to catch the ferry to Skagway Monday, was rummaging through my woodpile
for parts a few hours ago. Had great 4th on the water in the Sneakeasy
up close to the fireworks and the echoes thundering off of the hills on
each side of the channel.

HJ

Bruce Hector wrote:

>And let's not forget our own official Bolgeristero and his amphibious
>boat projects at:
>http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Amphib/Amphib_boats.htm
>
>I hadn't mentioned him, as I thought he'd post a link. Maybe he's off
>enjoying his boats, like we all should be.
>
>Bruce Hector
>http://www.brucesboats.com
>
>
And let's not forget our own official Bolgeristero and his amphibious
boat projects at:
http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Amphib/Amphib_boats.htm

I hadn't mentioned him, as I thought he'd post a link. Maybe he's off
enjoying his boats, like we all should be.

Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
> Fellows, what you are looking for is a Consolidated
> Catalina, or PBY. Oh yeah, she flew real
> nice, too, according to my old man. Sam

Interesting. A TV show suggested that the controls were heavy and
that the plane need a high degree of effort to keep in going in the
desired direction. I don't think anyone doubts that it was one of the
most useful aircraft of WWII, though.

Peter
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Walsh" <micwal_va@h...> wrote:
> I think your weightiest problem would be getting a suspension under
> it that did not weigh much, had enough enough wheel travel and
> torsional stiffness.


I agree. That would be the trick. The concept is actually quite
common for some canoeists and other light boats that carry around a
dolly for use in portaging the boat short distances. But of course,
in these cases, the dolly does not need to be very substantial. In
some cases I've even seen floats attached to assist in its deployment
in the water. But having a suspension that can handle a 3,000 lb
boat at highway speeds is another matter. I'm not sure how it could
be easily attached/detached without the whole thing dropping into the
lake. And leaving it in place doesn't sound very practical either in
terms of hull efficiency. Oh well.

Thanks for all the references that got my mind thinking.
Or be like Jimmy Buffet and have a Grumman Albatross to fly around the
Caribbean (see A Pirate Turns Fifty). Only thing is most places think you're
a drug smuggler and shoot at you (Jamaica Mistaka).

Paul
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bigeddytom" <TOMCBRADY@C...> wrote: I
have thought for years that a PBY would be great.

Or it's small cousins, like the Grumman Goose ("The Plane Boss! The
plane!") in the intro to every Fantasy Island TV show. Or the Mallard.
Both large enough to rig up someting in the way of sleeping
accomodation, a head and minimal galley.

But maintenance would be a killer, not to mention direct operating
cost.

A cheaper alternative would be an float plane or gyrocopter towed
behind a Bolger Windemere (are you listenening PL?).
Cruise in comfort, anchor, and explore the area from the air for the
best anchorages, gunkholes, etc.

Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
Realizing that this proposal leads naturally to the next level, a
small modular aircraft carrier to do away with those tricky floats
and glass water condition landings.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@y...>
wrote:
> Fellows, what you are looking for is a Consolidated
> Catalina, or PBY.
Hey Sam,
I think your father had the right idea. I have thought for years
that a PBY would be great. Of course if someone gave me one, then I
would have to win the lottery to keep it. But what a great gunkholer
for SW Florida and the Keys not to mention the islands. Tom on
Sandpiper.
Fellows, what you are looking for is a Consolidated
Catalina, or PBY. My father used to tool araound in
one in the early forties, in cruising grounds like
Hawaii, Western Australia and New Guinea. The early
models had a wheel carriage that had to be floated
into place, then fastened under the hull, before she
drove up on the ramp. Later models were amphibious,
with wheels and suspension systems that folded up into
the hulls. A pretty boat, with a nice deadrise
reverse curve bow section. Oh yeah, she flew real
nice, too, according to my old man. Sam
--- Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@...> wrote:
> A current version of this concept is at
>http://www.travelwave360.com/
>
> They make a 8' wide trailler that becomes a twelve
> foot beam
> houseboat by mechanically lifting side sponsons up
> onto the roof for
> road transport.

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I think your weightiest problem would be getting a suspension under
it that did not weigh much, had enough enough wheel travel and
torsional stiffness.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "cwgriesel" <cwgriesel@h...> wrote:
> Anyone ever heard of such a thing? I was thinking, it sure would
> be handy to have a boat that was built to accept a bolt-on hitch in
> front and a bolt-on cradle and wheels in the middle. Both the
> hitch and the cradle could both be stowed onboard. That way, a
> person could cruise rivers one way, then rent a truck one way to
> haul the whole thing back home. A person could double their
> cruising distance and avoid having to see the same scenery
> twice on any given outing. Of course, the boat would have to be
> built specifically for this purpose, with the additional internal
> framing and support needed to be pulled as a trailer as well as
> floated as a boat.
>
> Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?
Peter,



I can't remember the name either, but that boat was at the antique boat show
at the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum last month. Lovely job, looked like
light aircraft landing gear..



David Romasco







-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lenihan [mailto:ellengaest@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 5:54 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Self-trailering boat



--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "cwgriesel" <cwgriesel@h...> wrote:
> Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?

Yup.It was done in the late 50s or early 60s by an American
firm.Unfortunately,can't recall the name but it was for a small run
about of about 18'Loa whose hitch hooked onto the stem and whose
wheels literally clamped onto the side of the cockpit just forward of
small"batwings"aft.
These components were all substantially built,ie;not the sort of
thing you lightly drop into the boat for a quick ride.
A fully restored one was brought to a boatshow down in Florida this
past winter.......damned if I can even recall the boat name.Rats!

sincerely,
Peter Lenihan






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A current version of this concept is at
http://www.travelwave360.com/

They make a 8' wide trailler that becomes a twelve foot beam
houseboat by mechanically lifting side sponsons up onto the roof for
road transport.

Cool, effective and ugly! What more could a houseboating Bolgerista
want?

Bruce Hector
Now, if you made a smaller, lighter version and used an Amphi-Car as
your tender...... HHHHHhhhhhmmmmmmmmm . . . . . .
The wheels are spinning again!
There was a self traillering houseboat in the 60s called the Terra
Marina. A guy at the Houseboatbuilding group is restoring one. I
believe the wheels retract into the hull when afloat. Pictures are in
the Houseboatbuilding e-Groups photo section in the album "Terra
Mari" at:

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/houseboatbuilding/lst

Enjoy. Maybee there were others too?

Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
The whole Bruce's Boats site has been upgraded and modernized to be
more user friendly. It also has new photos of Seagull, Tims, etc. As
well as my "Top Secret" next building project.
Some of Richard Woods catamaran designs have built-in wheels. I think
they are only meant for ramp evolutions, and not for the open road,
though.

I think it was the 'Wizard' shown here:
http://www.sailingcatamarans.com/
They don't mention the wheels, so maybe they weren't popular.

Peter
>Anyone ever heard of such a thing? I was thinking, it sure would
>be handy to have a boat that was built to accept a bolt-on hitch in
>front and a bolt-on cradle and wheels in the middle. Both the
>hitch and the cradle could both be stowed onboard. That way, a
>person could cruise rivers one way, then rent a truck one way to
>haul the whole thing back home. A person could double their
>cruising distance and avoid having to see the same scenery
>twice on any given outing. Of course, the boat would have to be
>built specifically for this purpose, with the additional internal
>framing and support needed to be pulled as a trailer as well as
>floated as a boat.
>
>Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?

Sure. See the book "Water Wagon" by -- hmmm, Rube someone, and not
Goldberg. He built a self-trailering outboard houseboat fishing craft.
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Peter,



I can't remember the name either, but that boat was at the antique boat show
at the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum last month. Lovely job, looked like
light aircraft landing gear..



David Romasco



-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lenihan [mailto:ellengaest@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 5:54 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Self-trailering boat



--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "cwgriesel" <cwgriesel@h...> wrote:
> Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?

Yup.It was done in the late 50s or early 60s by an American
firm.Unfortunately,can't recall the name but it was for a small run
about of about 18'Loa whose hitch hooked onto the stem and whose
wheels literally clamped onto the side of the cockpit just forward of
small"batwings"aft.
These components were all substantially built,ie;not the sort of
thing you lightly drop into the boat for a quick ride.
A fully restored one was brought to a boatshow down in Florida this
past winter.......damned if I can even recall the boat name.Rats!

sincerely,
Peter Lenihan






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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "cwgriesel" <cwgriesel@h...> wrote:
> Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?

Yup.It was done in the late 50s or early 60s by an American
firm.Unfortunately,can't recall the name but it was for a small run
about of about 18'Loa whose hitch hooked onto the stem and whose
wheels literally clamped onto the side of the cockpit just forward of
small"batwings"aft.
These components were all substantially built,ie;not the sort of
thing you lightly drop into the boat for a quick ride.
A fully restored one was brought to a boatshow down in Florida this
past winter.......damned if I can even recall the boat name.Rats!

sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 02:32 PM, cwgriesel wrote:

> Anyone ever heard of such a thing? I was thinking, it sure would
> be handy to have a boat that was built to accept a bolt-on hitch in
> front and a bolt-on cradle and wheels in the middle. Both the
> hitch and the cradle could both be stowed onboard. That way, a
> person could cruise rivers one way, then rent a truck one way to
> haul the whole thing back home. A person could double their
> cruising distance and avoid having to see the same scenery
> twice on any given outing. Of course, the boat would have to be
> built specifically for this purpose, with the additional internal
> framing and support needed to be pulled as a trailer as well as
> floated as a boat.
>
> Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?
>

Check:

http://www.amphibiousvehicle.net/amphi/T/terramarina.jpeg

http://www.houseboatingworld.com/articles/hancock.htm

Hancock's web site seems to be not working at the moment.

The hitch on the front either moved out of the way or detached.
The wheels were permanently mounted.

hal
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Derby" <bill@b...> wrote:
> Not to mention the additional lighting and licensing
> requirements - hmmmm, would you have to license it as a
> trailer and a boat?

I don't think that would be a big problem. The boat would get a
boat license and the cradle assembly a trailer license.
Car-towing cradles have their own lights and get trailer licenses.
This would be no different.
Not to mention the additional lighting and licensing requirements - hmmmm, would you have to license it as a trailer and a boat?

B
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From: cwgriesel
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 3:32 PM
Subject: [bolger] Self-trailering boat


Anyone ever heard of such a thing? I was thinking, it sure would
be handy to have a boat that was built to accept a bolt-on hitch in
front and a bolt-on cradle and wheels in the middle. Both the
hitch and the cradle could both be stowed onboard. That way, a
person could cruise rivers one way, then rent a truck one way to
haul the whole thing back home. A person could double their
cruising distance and avoid having to see the same scenery
twice on any given outing. Of course, the boat would have to be
built specifically for this purpose, with the additional internal
framing and support needed to be pulled as a trailer as well as
floated as a boat.

Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?


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Anyone ever heard of such a thing? I was thinking, it sure would
be handy to have a boat that was built to accept a bolt-on hitch in
front and a bolt-on cradle and wheels in the middle. Both the
hitch and the cradle could both be stowed onboard. That way, a
person could cruise rivers one way, then rent a truck one way to
haul the whole thing back home. A person could double their
cruising distance and avoid having to see the same scenery
twice on any given outing. Of course, the boat would have to be
built specifically for this purpose, with the additional internal
framing and support needed to be pulled as a trailer as well as
floated as a boat.

Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?