Re: Teal with 1/2" sides, bending problem?
--- Hal Lynch <hal@c...> wrote:
Actually, I think the 1/4" might
be subject to oilcanning on the
bottom.
Perhaps the way to go is to use
3/8" on the bottom and 1/4" on
the sides.
What I remain to see it the effect
of the keel strip providing reinforcement
against oilcanning in the 1/4" bottom.
My keel strip goes on this evening.
> One of the 3/8 sides of my Teal fractured the outsideThat is just what I did.
> ply when I bent them onto the frame. IMHO you would
> be better off saving the 1/2 for another project and
> buying some 1/4 and using that.
Actually, I think the 1/4" might
be subject to oilcanning on the
bottom.
Perhaps the way to go is to use
3/8" on the bottom and 1/4" on
the sides.
What I remain to see it the effect
of the keel strip providing reinforcement
against oilcanning in the 1/4" bottom.
My keel strip goes on this evening.
On Friday, July 25, 2003, at 06:47 PM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
ply when I bent them onto the frame. IMHO you would
be better off saving the 1/2 for another project and
buying some 1/4 and using that.
hal
> Needing a quick small fun boat in time for Labor Day Weekend, IOne of the 3/8 sides of my Teal fractured the outside
> decided to whip out a Teal.
>
> Just back from the lumber yard, trying to buy 3/8" MDO plywood, at
> the last minute they said all they had was 1/2". Without thinking
> enough, I said yes.
>
> Now, I wonder if I am in for BIG trouble getting 1/2" to bend the
> curves required for a Teal?
>
> I am aware that it will weigh more, and I am OK with the added
> weight.
>
> Is 1/2" plywood 'trouble' when buiding a Teal???
ply when I bent them onto the frame. IMHO you would
be better off saving the 1/2 for another project and
buying some 1/4 and using that.
hal
Oh, sorry, yes.
Just that I'm building a dinghy right now, and 1/4" seems heaps
stiff enough, but when I think about it, Teal has flat panels, while
mine has curves forced into the shape.
The suggestion to double the size would produce a Centennial
wouldn't it?
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@y...>
wrote:
Just that I'm building a dinghy right now, and 1/4" seems heaps
stiff enough, but when I think about it, Teal has flat panels, while
mine has curves forced into the shape.
The suggestion to double the size would produce a Centennial
wouldn't it?
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@y...>
wrote:
> PCB specs 3/8" on the plans.
> I would guess that 1/4" would
> be strong enough, though I am
> always hesitant to *not* follow
> the plans, PCB usually knows
> better than I what will work.
Hi Bruce,
Here's a crazy idea for ya;keep the 1/2" MDO(G2S?) and use it
just for the bottoms of two Teals and get yourself some regular ply
for the sides.That way you can have your own version of a sort of His
& Hers TEAL with bullet-proof bottoms just right for raiding parties
on foreign beaches or launchings on rough coast:-)
Sincerely
Peter Lenihan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@y...>
wrote:
Here's a crazy idea for ya;keep the 1/2" MDO(G2S?) and use it
just for the bottoms of two Teals and get yourself some regular ply
for the sides.That way you can have your own version of a sort of His
& Hers TEAL with bullet-proof bottoms just right for raiding parties
on foreign beaches or launchings on rough coast:-)
Sincerely
Peter Lenihan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@y...>
wrote:
>
> Now, I wonder if I am in for BIG trouble getting 1/2" to bend the
> curves required for a Teal?
>
> I am aware that it will weigh more, and I am OK with the added
> weight.
>
> Is 1/2" plywood 'trouble' when buiding a Teal???
--- "dbaldnz" <oink@p...> wrote:
because it is excellent looking
plywood. I know that the mills
make 3/8", but 1/2" is all that
is stocked at Channel Lumber,
in the Bay Area which has a
very large [perhaps the largest]
variety of plywood near San
Francisco.
PCB specs 3/8" on the plans.
I would guess that 1/4" would
be strong enough, though I am
always hesitant to *not* follow
the plans, PCB usually knows
better than I what will work.
> Teal with 1/2" panels, my God," that's huge overkill. Even 3/8" is
> too much. Best to exchange them.I wish they stocked 3/8" MDO,
> DonB
because it is excellent looking
plywood. I know that the mills
make 3/8", but 1/2" is all that
is stocked at Channel Lumber,
in the Bay Area which has a
very large [perhaps the largest]
variety of plywood near San
Francisco.
PCB specs 3/8" on the plans.
I would guess that 1/4" would
be strong enough, though I am
always hesitant to *not* follow
the plans, PCB usually knows
better than I what will work.
>Teal with 1/2" panels, my God, that's huge overkill. Even 3/8" isWell, if there's no exchange option, it might be doable to divide the
>too much. Best to exchange them.
>DonB
sides into 3 "strakes" and apply them one at a time with a batten
epoxied over the seam inside.
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Yep, I'd either take them back or double her length and breadth.
Even if you can bend them on, and it's quite possible. Soaking them
in hot towels, windlasses, weighting overnight with cement blocks,
etc., ....
You'll end up with a teal that takes four men to comfortably carry,
and be a slug under oars, and perhaps sail as well.
The TIMS units are all 1/2" plywood, thankfully with no bending. But
even at 8' by 4', two of us can just flip it over. To actually carry
it three is the min. and 4 much safer.
Cartopping? Forget it!
Now a 24' by 6' Maxi-Teal would be something! Have you got a trailler?
Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
Even if you can bend them on, and it's quite possible. Soaking them
in hot towels, windlasses, weighting overnight with cement blocks,
etc., ....
You'll end up with a teal that takes four men to comfortably carry,
and be a slug under oars, and perhaps sail as well.
The TIMS units are all 1/2" plywood, thankfully with no bending. But
even at 8' by 4', two of us can just flip it over. To actually carry
it three is the min. and 4 much safer.
Cartopping? Forget it!
Now a 24' by 6' Maxi-Teal would be something! Have you got a trailler?
Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
Teal with 1/2" panels, my God, that's huge overkill. Even 3/8" is
too much. Best to exchange them.
DonB
wrote:
too much. Best to exchange them.
DonB
wrote:
> Needing a quick small fun boat in time for Labor Day Weekend, I
> decided to whip out a Teal.
>
> Just back from the lumber yard, trying to buy 3/8" MDO plywood, at
> the last minute they said all they had was 1/2". Without thinking
> enough, I said yes.
>
> Now, I wonder if I am in for BIG trouble getting 1/2" to bend the
> curves required for a Teal?
>
> I am aware that it will weigh more, and I am OK with the added
> weight.
>
> Is 1/2" plywood 'trouble' when buiding a Teal???
i never did a teal but have built some where bending the sides was
hard. some moves that help might be
1- consider bending the sides and attaching to the bowstem and
transom *before* you attach the chine logs and sheer . bend, epoxy,
drywall screw those into place after.
2- consider using quarter round for the chine logs and sheer. if you
can get single piece ( not spliced ) long enough. easier to bend than
same sized piece of square stock. up to 16 feet, good sized quarter
round has worked well for me.
bill
http://www.hci.net/~shamblin/sboat.htm
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@y...>
wrote:
hard. some moves that help might be
1- consider bending the sides and attaching to the bowstem and
transom *before* you attach the chine logs and sheer . bend, epoxy,
drywall screw those into place after.
2- consider using quarter round for the chine logs and sheer. if you
can get single piece ( not spliced ) long enough. easier to bend than
same sized piece of square stock. up to 16 feet, good sized quarter
round has worked well for me.
bill
http://www.hci.net/~shamblin/sboat.htm
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@y...>
wrote:
> Needing a quick small fun boat in time for Labor Day Weekend, I
> decided to whip out a Teal.
>
> Just back from the lumber yard, trying to buy 3/8" MDO plywood, at
> the last minute they said all they had was 1/2". Without thinking
> enough, I said yes.
>
> Now, I wonder if I am in for BIG trouble getting 1/2" to bend the
> curves required for a Teal?
>
> I am aware that it will weigh more, and I am OK with the added
> weight.
>
> Is 1/2" plywood 'trouble' when buiding a Teal???
Hi Bruce, You will probably have trouble bringing the ends into place
with a spanish windlass as detailed by Mr Payson. You may want to use
heavier scantlings on the temporary frames fore and aft. 1/4" would
have been perfectly adequate given the curve built into the hull.
Bob Chamberland
with a spanish windlass as detailed by Mr Payson. You may want to use
heavier scantlings on the temporary frames fore and aft. 1/4" would
have been perfectly adequate given the curve built into the hull.
Bob Chamberland
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
>
> Is 1/2" plywood 'trouble' when buiding a Teal???
Needing a quick small fun boat in time for Labor Day Weekend, I
decided to whip out a Teal.
Just back from the lumber yard, trying to buy 3/8" MDO plywood, at
the last minute they said all they had was 1/2". Without thinking
enough, I said yes.
Now, I wonder if I am in for BIG trouble getting 1/2" to bend the
curves required for a Teal?
I am aware that it will weigh more, and I am OK with the added
weight.
Is 1/2" plywood 'trouble' when buiding a Teal???
decided to whip out a Teal.
Just back from the lumber yard, trying to buy 3/8" MDO plywood, at
the last minute they said all they had was 1/2". Without thinking
enough, I said yes.
Now, I wonder if I am in for BIG trouble getting 1/2" to bend the
curves required for a Teal?
I am aware that it will weigh more, and I am OK with the added
weight.
Is 1/2" plywood 'trouble' when buiding a Teal???