Re: Weekend TIMS progress photos
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Frank San Miguel" <sanmi@y...> wrote:
By the way, how cold is the water up there in September?
Still pretty warm, say 65-70 degrees farhenheit (circa 18 Celcius). A
lot warmer than after the winter, as in April, when it might be 40
degress F. That's when I rolled my Pirogue on launching two years
ago. I'm still shivering.
Brrrrrrrrr!!!!!!
Brrrrrrruuuuuuccce Heeeeccccctttttooor
http://www.brucesboats.com
Hoping to post pics of Peter's secret beer cooloer hiding spot
tonight and a test run of TIMS at 30 feet or so this weekend is in
the cards. Yep, I'll take photos of me attempting to steer it.
Very Cool!!!! Caterpilar steering! I bet you could patent that idea.
By the way, how cold is the water up there in September?
Frank
By the way, how cold is the water up there in September?
Frank
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David Romasco" <dromasco@g...> wrote:
> Bruce, to the truly scientific mind, turning the TIMS will present no
> problem. For example, a 180 degree turn is accomplished by simply
casting
> off all the module lashings on one side and accelerating the tow.
Brownian
> motion will soon cause the bow unit to turn in the direction of the
> remaining lashing, causing the modules to follow. A deck hand
follows along
> the turning units, relashing as she/he goes. Gosh, a right-angle
turn is
> theoretically possible if nimble hands are at work! Personally, I would
> assemble the TIMS pointing in the direction I wanted to eventually
go.....
>
> David Romasco
>
Bruce, to the truly scientific mind, turning the TIMS will present no
problem. For example, a 180 degree turn is accomplished by simply casting
off all the module lashings on one side and accelerating the tow. Brownian
motion will soon cause the bow unit to turn in the direction of the
remaining lashing, causing the modules to follow. A deck hand follows along
the turning units, relashing as she/he goes. Gosh, a right-angle turn is
theoretically possible if nimble hands are at work! Personally, I would
assemble the TIMS pointing in the direction I wanted to eventually go.....
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hector [mailto:bruce_hector@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 1:28 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Weekend TIMS progress photos
problem. For example, a 180 degree turn is accomplished by simply casting
off all the module lashings on one side and accelerating the tow. Brownian
motion will soon cause the bow unit to turn in the direction of the
remaining lashing, causing the modules to follow. A deck hand follows along
the turning units, relashing as she/he goes. Gosh, a right-angle turn is
theoretically possible if nimble hands are at work! Personally, I would
assemble the TIMS pointing in the direction I wanted to eventually go.....
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hector [mailto:bruce_hector@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 1:28 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Weekend TIMS progress photos
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Frank San Miguel" <sanmi@y...> wrote:
Has anyone figured out how we are going to turn the thing? Maybe we
> should bring a few small outboard motors to act as bow thrusters.
Well, yes, I have been giving it some thought. Otherwise it'll be
like my sailboard expertise. Off on one tack and never returning.
We could drop the anchor when we want to turn, pivot on the hook,
then up anchor and cruise off in the new direction.
We could have a daggerboard to slip over the side, near the centre to
help the motor have something to pivot on. Just a large slip on one
like Teals, as the centre of TIMS jkeeps changing depending on the
number of modules attached. Or as the length approached critical
mass, a second one off the bow unit.
We could hang an outboard or trolling motor off the bow.
Wonder of wonders, if I'm lucky the 2 by 4 keel will be enough of a
shoe to give it some lateral stability and turning effect.
We could just trust my piloting ability, as an ex RCN(R) Bo'sun and
Helmsman I can be counted on to weave a highly irregular, curving,
erratic course at all times and keeping it straight will be the
problem, not keeping it turning. "Ready, Aye, Ready!"
Or we could do as Peter Lenihan so frequently suggest, fill it with
beer and nutty boat builders and sail off into the sunset never to
return, although that's starting to sound like my sailboarding again.
I guess if there's enough of the ol' amber throat charmer on board
walking a straight line will rapidly become more difficult than
steering one.
Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
Fitting the TIMS bow unit's seats and thwarts, and yes Peter, I'm
building in a secret beer cooler hiding place that only you and I
will ever know about. It's a cleverly hidden cooler sized compartment
under the (shhhhh! whispering now) centre thwart. That way as your
brow breaks into a sweat rowing the 50 feet or more of TIMS when the
outboard breaks down (they always do, ya' know) you can reach under
your action station seat, grab an ice cold can of Laurentide and roll
the dew covered can across your sopping forehead as you row your
(shall I say little? Nah, that would be untrue) straining guts out
with the other hand, finally turning TIMS onto a new heading at last,
where the windage of the house starts to act like a sail, and we go
off on a new tact,....direct to the nearest Brewer's Retail for
another case of Bras D'Or (which we must not let our Amwerican
friends near, as their systems are designed for low alcohol suds and
not the true extra strenghth Quebecois bierre!) which unlike our more
civilized province to the Est, can not be purchased in every petite
depanneur, but only from the government monopoly affectionately known
to one and all Ontarian as "The BEER Store".
No, Peter, you don'y have to paint your TIMS module red and white
(oddly enough the Rust Check colours), you can express your vast
artistic individualality and splash whatever shades of whatever you
wish. Just don't get any paint on the Maudite!
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
as"fresh" water.Not as dense as the stuff closer to where you sail
and thus perhaps not so strongly effected. I know that ever since I
began drinking beer,the full moon no longer has its way with me in
the wee hours.I suspect it has to do with less dense blood coursing
through my arteries:-)
Worse case scenario,we could count on at least a bit of "prop-walk"
which will help sharpen our navigation skills as we lay out a course
designed to take full advantage of this.And don't forget,we'll become
lighter as the cruise wears on so sailing down wind could be an ace
in the hole!
Peter L.
> > Has anyone figured out how we are going to turn the thing?to
>
> Relax, the coriolis force is all you need, provided you only want
> turn left, or, ummmm, right, or, ummmm, whichever. (I'll bet onYes, but we'll be using her in what is colloquially refered to
> right in the Northern Hemisphere, but I'm not at all certain.)
>
> Peter
as"fresh" water.Not as dense as the stuff closer to where you sail
and thus perhaps not so strongly effected. I know that ever since I
began drinking beer,the full moon no longer has its way with me in
the wee hours.I suspect it has to do with less dense blood coursing
through my arteries:-)
Worse case scenario,we could count on at least a bit of "prop-walk"
which will help sharpen our navigation skills as we lay out a course
designed to take full advantage of this.And don't forget,we'll become
lighter as the cruise wears on so sailing down wind could be an ace
in the hole!
Peter L.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
keel/skeg on a middle TIMS bit,she should behave like a wind vane
pointing her nose naturally into the wind.The motor will over-come
this tendancy and allow you to go where you point her nose.If you
have any reservations about this,you could boost the cabins windage
by dropping in the MICRO's mizzen just aft of the pilot house for a
North Sea trawler type of look.Add to this a sailors instinct to
motor "up wind" when going on a day cruise,the mizzen could push us
all back home if the engine konks out and that is when we all will
greatly appreciate the ice chests:-)
suggest that our manifest show not only the pirates,the beer,and the
grub but also the mainmast from the MICRO lashed along the outboard
edge of the TIMS.Otherwise,we just make sure we have enough ice and
beer and that the batteries work on the VHF so that we can burn some
Canadian tax dollars from the friendly Coast Guard tow boat.I believe
you are almost on a first name bases with our boys in blue,oui?
No, Peter, you don'y have to paint your TIMS module red and white
wrote:
> Or we could do as Peter Lenihan so frequently suggest, fill it withagain.
> beer and nutty boat builders and sail off into the sunset never to
> return, although that's starting to sound like my sailboarding
> I guess if there's enough of the ol' amber throat charmer on boardNever fear Bruce,with the aft pilot house and perhaps a deeper
> walking a straight line will rapidly become more difficult than
> steering one.
keel/skeg on a middle TIMS bit,she should behave like a wind vane
pointing her nose naturally into the wind.The motor will over-come
this tendancy and allow you to go where you point her nose.If you
have any reservations about this,you could boost the cabins windage
by dropping in the MICRO's mizzen just aft of the pilot house for a
North Sea trawler type of look.Add to this a sailors instinct to
motor "up wind" when going on a day cruise,the mizzen could push us
all back home if the engine konks out and that is when we all will
greatly appreciate the ice chests:-)
>as your
> Bruce Hector
>http://www.brucesboats.com
> brow breaks into a sweat rowing the 50 feet or more of TIMS whenthe
> outboard breaks downWaddya mean"row"? If there is a real chance of this happening,then I
suggest that our manifest show not only the pirates,the beer,and the
grub but also the mainmast from the MICRO lashed along the outboard
edge of the TIMS.Otherwise,we just make sure we have enough ice and
beer and that the batteries work on the VHF so that we can burn some
Canadian tax dollars from the friendly Coast Guard tow boat.I believe
you are almost on a first name bases with our boys in blue,oui?
No, Peter, you don'y have to paint your TIMS module red and white
> (oddly enough the Rust Check colours), you can express your vastAye!Aye! Captain! Prepare to repell boarders! Arrrg!
> artistic individualality and splash whatever shades of whatever you
> wish. Just don't get any paint on the Maudite!
> Has anyone figured out how we are going to turn the thing?Relax, the coriolis force is all you need, provided you only want to
turn left, or, ummmm, right, or, ummmm, whichever. (I'll bet on
right in the Northern Hemisphere, but I'm not at all certain.)
Peter
(http://www.usatoday.com/weather/resources/basics/coriolis-
understanding.htm)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Frank San Miguel" <sanmi@y...> wrote:
Has anyone figured out how we are going to turn the thing? Maybe we
> should bring a few small outboard motors to act as bow thrusters.
Well, yes, I have been giving it some thought. Otherwise it'll be
like my sailboard expertise. Off on one tack and never returning.
We could drop the anchor when we want to turn, pivot on the hook,
then up anchor and cruise off in the new direction.
We could have a daggerboard to slip over the side, near the centre to
help the motor have something to pivot on. Just a large slip on one
like Teals, as the centre of TIMS jkeeps changing depending on the
number of modules attached. Or as the length approached critical
mass, a second one off the bow unit.
We could hang an outboard or trolling motor off the bow.
Wonder of wonders, if I'm lucky the 2 by 4 keel will be enough of a
shoe to give it some lateral stability and turning effect.
We could just trust my piloting ability, as an ex RCN(R) Bo'sun and
Helmsman I can be counted on to weave a highly irregular, curving,
erratic course at all times and keeping it straight will be the
problem, not keeping it turning. "Ready, Aye, Ready!"
Or we could do as Peter Lenihan so frequently suggest, fill it with
beer and nutty boat builders and sail off into the sunset never to
return, although that's starting to sound like my sailboarding again.
I guess if there's enough of the ol' amber throat charmer on board
walking a straight line will rapidly become more difficult than
steering one.
Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
Fitting the TIMS bow unit's seats and thwarts, and yes Peter, I'm
building in a secret beer cooler hiding place that only you and I
will ever know about. It's a cleverly hidden cooler sized compartment
under the (shhhhh! whispering now) centre thwart. That way as your
brow breaks into a sweat rowing the 50 feet or more of TIMS when the
outboard breaks down (they always do, ya' know) you can reach under
your action station seat, grab an ice cold can of Laurentide and roll
the dew covered can across your sopping forehead as you row your
(shall I say little? Nah, that would be untrue) straining guts out
with the other hand, finally turning TIMS onto a new heading at last,
where the windage of the house starts to act like a sail, and we go
off on a new tact,....direct to the nearest Brewer's Retail for
another case of Bras D'Or (which we must not let our Amwerican
friends near, as their systems are designed for low alcohol suds and
not the true extra strenghth Quebecois bierre!) which unlike our more
civilized province to the Est, can not be purchased in every petite
depanneur, but only from the government monopoly affectionately known
to one and all Ontarian as "The BEER Store".
No, Peter, you don'y have to paint your TIMS module red and white
(oddly enough the Rust Check colours), you can express your vast
artistic individualality and splash whatever shades of whatever you
wish. Just don't get any paint on the Maudite!
Has anyone figured out how we are going to turn the thing? Maybe we
should bring a few small outboard motors to act as bow thrusters.
By the way, I suspect that the TIMS is really an advanced prototype
for some sort of canadian government VSV (Very Slender Vessel)
project. I guess it would be called an TIMVSV or mayber TIMVSS.
http://foxxaero.homestead.com/indrad_038.html
Is there anything you want to share with us Bruce?
Frank
Landenberg, PA
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> >
Can't wait to have the whole gang of them lashed up and moving
should bring a few small outboard motors to act as bow thrusters.
By the way, I suspect that the TIMS is really an advanced prototype
for some sort of canadian government VSV (Very Slender Vessel)
project. I guess it would be called an TIMVSV or mayber TIMVSS.
http://foxxaero.homestead.com/indrad_038.html
Is there anything you want to share with us Bruce?
Frank
Landenberg, PA
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> >
Can't wait to have the whole gang of them lashed up and moving
> under her own power! Lets start praying for sunny weather in
> September!!!
>
> Sincerely,.
> Peter Lenihan,TIMS Bit Builder from along the shores of the
> St.Lawrence..........
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
She's starting to look like a......real boat!!Gotta get some
golf cart tires on her for serious bumper protection or minimum
damage ramming sessions with other vessels worthy of being raided of
all their fermented liquid ballast. Love the photo of the Samson post
but am troubled by the "floatation chamber".Wouldn't such a space be
put to better use as an ice box? Line the insides with some blue
styrofoam and presto! cold drinks for everone :-)
Since you have started a paint scheme of red bottom/white
topsides,I guess it goes without saying that I should follow the same
with my TIMS Bit?
Can't wait to have the whole gang of them lashed up and moving
under her own power! Lets start praying for sunny weather in
September!!!
Sincerely,.
Peter Lenihan,TIMS Bit Builder from along the shores of the
St.Lawrence..........
wrote:
> There's new TIMS (The Infinite Modular Sharpie) shots showing lastTims
> weekend's progress on the Sharpie Bow unit in the photo section at:
>http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/freeboatexchange/lst
> Look in the Tims folder, and it's sub-folders Tims bow unit and
> TowboatHi Bruce!
She's starting to look like a......real boat!!Gotta get some
golf cart tires on her for serious bumper protection or minimum
damage ramming sessions with other vessels worthy of being raided of
all their fermented liquid ballast. Love the photo of the Samson post
but am troubled by the "floatation chamber".Wouldn't such a space be
put to better use as an ice box? Line the insides with some blue
styrofoam and presto! cold drinks for everone :-)
Since you have started a paint scheme of red bottom/white
topsides,I guess it goes without saying that I should follow the same
with my TIMS Bit?
Can't wait to have the whole gang of them lashed up and moving
under her own power! Lets start praying for sunny weather in
September!!!
Sincerely,.
Peter Lenihan,TIMS Bit Builder from along the shores of the
St.Lawrence..........
There's new TIMS (The Infinite Modular Sharpie) shots showing last
weekend's progress on the Sharpie Bow unit in the photo section at:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/freeboatexchange/lst
Look in the Tims folder, and it's sub-folders Tims bow unit and Tims
Towboat. Which I made an open group for now, no-one has to join to
peruse the photos and files. I'll leave it that way until the spam
and porn start showing up.
To save space and time, I've put a few pages on the Messabout, with
maps, lists of whose coming and boat pics, plus a page on The
Infinite Modular Sharpie up on my site at
http://www.brucesboats.com
Bruce Hector
Better yet, come to the September Kingston Messabout and ride in them
all yourself, free! Even try my homemade plonk and Cowboy Beans!
weekend's progress on the Sharpie Bow unit in the photo section at:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/freeboatexchange/lst
Look in the Tims folder, and it's sub-folders Tims bow unit and Tims
Towboat. Which I made an open group for now, no-one has to join to
peruse the photos and files. I'll leave it that way until the spam
and porn start showing up.
To save space and time, I've put a few pages on the Messabout, with
maps, lists of whose coming and boat pics, plus a page on The
Infinite Modular Sharpie up on my site at
http://www.brucesboats.com
Bruce Hector
Better yet, come to the September Kingston Messabout and ride in them
all yourself, free! Even try my homemade plonk and Cowboy Beans!