Re: Cartopper experince?
The photos section seems to be working again.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Clark" <tom@c...> wrote:
> Having been a canoe sailor for the past 4 years, I have become
acquainted
> with Bolger designed boats. So when the garage sale had a Bolger
11' 6'
> cartopper for $200.00 dollars, with sail, plans, books,
fiberglass tape and
> 11 yds of glass cloth, etc. How could I resist?
>
> The boat is cut out of 1/4" marine ply. It is partially
assembled waiting
> to be glued. The bilge panels are not on yet. All the pieces seem
to fit
> and were well cut.
>
> I have worked with wood, but never fiberglassed anything. I am
reading
> Instant boats, but where else do I go before I begin, mixing
stirring and
> taping? For example, what kind of glue should I use? Or do I
just use the
> epoxy? Would something like Gorilla glue work or does it need
something
> else? What is the best source of information on learning to use
epoxy? Who
> else has a cartopper? Any photos?
>
> All help, and directions appreciated.
>
> Tom Clark
Thanks Ken and everyone. System Three book and starter kit look like just
what I needed.
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: klglo [mailto:klglo@...]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 8:59 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Cartopper experince?
Tom,
I finished my Cartopper this June. I posted some pictures but the
Photos section does not seem to be working right now. If it comes
back look in the "Ken's Cartopper" folder. I think there was
another Cartopper shown in either the Bolger2 or Bolger3 photos.
I'd say you got a real bargain as I have about $400.00 in my boat
and I just built a rowing version. The boat is very easy to row,
but you will have to adjust the seating plan if you want to row with
two people onboard.
As far as the epoxy goes, I have no experience with this. I built
my boat with Weldwood glue and polyester resin. As long as the
temperature in your work area is not too hot or too cold, you should
be ok. Just be careful when you spread the resin. Sanding the
cured resin is not much fun, particularly if it got into places
where you didn't want any!
Good luck with your project.
Ken
what I needed.
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: klglo [mailto:klglo@...]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 8:59 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Cartopper experince?
Tom,
I finished my Cartopper this June. I posted some pictures but the
Photos section does not seem to be working right now. If it comes
back look in the "Ken's Cartopper" folder. I think there was
another Cartopper shown in either the Bolger2 or Bolger3 photos.
I'd say you got a real bargain as I have about $400.00 in my boat
and I just built a rowing version. The boat is very easy to row,
but you will have to adjust the seating plan if you want to row with
two people onboard.
As far as the epoxy goes, I have no experience with this. I built
my boat with Weldwood glue and polyester resin. As long as the
temperature in your work area is not too hot or too cold, you should
be ok. Just be careful when you spread the resin. Sanding the
cured resin is not much fun, particularly if it got into places
where you didn't want any!
Good luck with your project.
Ken
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Clark" <tom@c...> wrote:
> Having been a canoe sailor for the past 4 years, I have become
acquainted
> with Bolger designed boats. So when the garage sale had a Bolger
11' 6'
> cartopper for $200.00 dollars, with sail, plans, books,
fiberglass tape and
> 11 yds of glass cloth, etc. How could I resist?
>
> The boat is cut out of 1/4" marine ply. It is partially
assembled waiting
> to be glued. The bilge panels are not on yet. All the pieces seem
to fit
> and were well cut.
>
> I have worked with wood, but never fiberglassed anything. I am
reading
> Instant boats, but where else do I go before I begin, mixing
stirring and
> taping? For example, what kind of glue should I use? Or do I
just use the
> epoxy? Would something like Gorilla glue work or does it need
something
> else? What is the best source of information on learning to use
epoxy? Who
> else has a cartopper? Any photos?
>
> All help, and directions appreciated.
>
> Tom Clark
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There's a Cartopper pic in the "files" section
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Bolger%20Cartopper/)
Try www.systemthree.com for "everything you need to know to get
started" epoxy info (including fiberglassing). Order their trial kit
for $10 and play with it. It's worth every penny, and then some.
Don't be daunted by the mass of epoxy paraphernalia in the catalog.
You don't need but a few basic extras, like wood stir sticks (buy
lots, they're cheap) a thickener or two for fillets (samples are
included in the trial kit), and a plastic spreader for fiberglassing.
You can get gloves and throwaway paintbrushes (don't use standard
foam, it disintegrates in epoxy!) lots of places. I do highly
recommend the little clear plastic measuring cups Sys.3 sells for
mixing batches. I don't recommend their wax cups; the markings
sometimes are off (learned the hard way).
You won't go wrong with epoxy (and yes, absolutely, it's an excellent
wood glue, but don't clamp, just hold in place (which is good,
because the stuff is slippery when wet!)). Once you're clear on it's
quirks you'll find it easy and forgiving to use, and extremely
versatile.
Don't worry about all that stuff in the Sys. 3 literature about paint
compability. Once it's fully set up (2-3 weeks) you can paint
anything over top of it.
Epoxy can't do everything, but it's amazing what it can do. I highly
recommend it.
Good luck!
John O'Neill
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Bolger%20Cartopper/)
Try www.systemthree.com for "everything you need to know to get
started" epoxy info (including fiberglassing). Order their trial kit
for $10 and play with it. It's worth every penny, and then some.
Don't be daunted by the mass of epoxy paraphernalia in the catalog.
You don't need but a few basic extras, like wood stir sticks (buy
lots, they're cheap) a thickener or two for fillets (samples are
included in the trial kit), and a plastic spreader for fiberglassing.
You can get gloves and throwaway paintbrushes (don't use standard
foam, it disintegrates in epoxy!) lots of places. I do highly
recommend the little clear plastic measuring cups Sys.3 sells for
mixing batches. I don't recommend their wax cups; the markings
sometimes are off (learned the hard way).
You won't go wrong with epoxy (and yes, absolutely, it's an excellent
wood glue, but don't clamp, just hold in place (which is good,
because the stuff is slippery when wet!)). Once you're clear on it's
quirks you'll find it easy and forgiving to use, and extremely
versatile.
Don't worry about all that stuff in the Sys. 3 literature about paint
compability. Once it's fully set up (2-3 weeks) you can paint
anything over top of it.
Epoxy can't do everything, but it's amazing what it can do. I highly
recommend it.
Good luck!
John O'Neill
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Clark" <tom@c...> wrote:
> I have worked with wood, but never fiberglassed anything. I am
reading
> Instant boats, but where else do I go before I begin, mixing
stirring and
> taping? For example, what kind of glue should I use? Or do I just
use the
> epoxy? Would something like Gorilla glue work or does it need
something
> else? What is the best source of information on learning to use
epoxy? Who
> else has a cartopper? Any photos?
Tom Clark wrote:
give you a feel for epoxy, but the short answer is that you add
some sort of thickener (microballoons, silicate, woodflour) to
the epoxy to give you a nice glue with something like the
consistency of mayonaise. Thicker for stitch-and-glue fillets,
but you don't want it too thick for bonding.
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
> I have worked with wood, but never fiberglassed anything. I am readingand
> Instant boats, but where else do I go before I begin, mixing stirring
> taping? For example, what kind of glue should I use? Or do I just usethe
> epoxy? Would something like Gorilla glue work or does it need somethinghttp://www.bateau.comhave some good online tutorials that
> else? What is the best source of information on learning to use epoxy?
give you a feel for epoxy, but the short answer is that you add
some sort of thickener (microballoons, silicate, woodflour) to
the epoxy to give you a nice glue with something like the
consistency of mayonaise. Thicker for stitch-and-glue fillets,
but you don't want it too thick for bonding.
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
Tom,
I finished my Cartopper this June. I posted some pictures but the
Photos section does not seem to be working right now. If it comes
back look in the "Ken's Cartopper" folder. I think there was
another Cartopper shown in either the Bolger2 or Bolger3 photos.
I'd say you got a real bargain as I have about $400.00 in my boat
and I just built a rowing version. The boat is very easy to row,
but you will have to adjust the seating plan if you want to row with
two people onboard.
As far as the epoxy goes, I have no experience with this. I built
my boat with Weldwood glue and polyester resin. As long as the
temperature in your work area is not too hot or too cold, you should
be ok. Just be careful when you spread the resin. Sanding the
cured resin is not much fun, particularly if it got into places
where you didn't want any!
Good luck with your project.
Ken
I finished my Cartopper this June. I posted some pictures but the
Photos section does not seem to be working right now. If it comes
back look in the "Ken's Cartopper" folder. I think there was
another Cartopper shown in either the Bolger2 or Bolger3 photos.
I'd say you got a real bargain as I have about $400.00 in my boat
and I just built a rowing version. The boat is very easy to row,
but you will have to adjust the seating plan if you want to row with
two people onboard.
As far as the epoxy goes, I have no experience with this. I built
my boat with Weldwood glue and polyester resin. As long as the
temperature in your work area is not too hot or too cold, you should
be ok. Just be careful when you spread the resin. Sanding the
cured resin is not much fun, particularly if it got into places
where you didn't want any!
Good luck with your project.
Ken
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Clark" <tom@c...> wrote:
> Having been a canoe sailor for the past 4 years, I have become
acquainted
> with Bolger designed boats. So when the garage sale had a Bolger
11' 6'
> cartopper for $200.00 dollars, with sail, plans, books,
fiberglass tape and
> 11 yds of glass cloth, etc. How could I resist?
>
> The boat is cut out of 1/4" marine ply. It is partially
assembled waiting
> to be glued. The bilge panels are not on yet. All the pieces seem
to fit
> and were well cut.
>
> I have worked with wood, but never fiberglassed anything. I am
reading
> Instant boats, but where else do I go before I begin, mixing
stirring and
> taping? For example, what kind of glue should I use? Or do I
just use the
> epoxy? Would something like Gorilla glue work or does it need
something
> else? What is the best source of information on learning to use
epoxy? Who
> else has a cartopper? Any photos?
>
> All help, and directions appreciated.
>
> Tom Clark
>For example, what kind of glue should I use? Or do I just use theUse the epoxy.
>epoxy? Would something like Gorilla glue work or does it need something
>else?
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This will be the fastest way to get the answers to your questions. Read
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Tom Clark wrote:
http://www.systemthree.com/index.html
This will be the fastest way to get the answers to your questions. Read
it and then come back to the group for more questions. You will find
lots of experience here. Members have made almost every mistake possible
and then shared it for all to learn from.
HJ
Tom Clark wrote:
>Having been a canoe sailor for the past 4 years, I have become acquainted
>with Bolger designed boats. So when the garage sale had a Bolger 11' 6'
>cartopper for $200.00 dollars, with sail, plans, books, fiberglass tape and
>11 yds of glass cloth, etc. How could I resist?
>
>The boat is cut out of 1/4" marine ply. It is partially assembled waiting
>to be glued. The bilge panels are not on yet. All the pieces seem to fit
>and were well cut.
>
>I have worked with wood, but never fiberglassed anything. I am reading
>Instant boats, but where else do I go before I begin, mixing stirring and
>taping? For example, what kind of glue should I use? Or do I just use the
>epoxy? Would something like Gorilla glue work or does it need something
>else? What is the best source of information on learning to use epoxy? Who
>else has a cartopper? Any photos?
>
>All help, and directions appreciated.
>
>Tom Clark
>
>
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
>- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
>- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>- Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>- Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>.
>
>
>
Having been a canoe sailor for the past 4 years, I have become acquainted
with Bolger designed boats. So when the garage sale had a Bolger 11' 6'
cartopper for $200.00 dollars, with sail, plans, books, fiberglass tape and
11 yds of glass cloth, etc. How could I resist?
The boat is cut out of 1/4" marine ply. It is partially assembled waiting
to be glued. The bilge panels are not on yet. All the pieces seem to fit
and were well cut.
I have worked with wood, but never fiberglassed anything. I am reading
Instant boats, but where else do I go before I begin, mixing stirring and
taping? For example, what kind of glue should I use? Or do I just use the
epoxy? Would something like Gorilla glue work or does it need something
else? What is the best source of information on learning to use epoxy? Who
else has a cartopper? Any photos?
All help, and directions appreciated.
Tom Clark
with Bolger designed boats. So when the garage sale had a Bolger 11' 6'
cartopper for $200.00 dollars, with sail, plans, books, fiberglass tape and
11 yds of glass cloth, etc. How could I resist?
The boat is cut out of 1/4" marine ply. It is partially assembled waiting
to be glued. The bilge panels are not on yet. All the pieces seem to fit
and were well cut.
I have worked with wood, but never fiberglassed anything. I am reading
Instant boats, but where else do I go before I begin, mixing stirring and
taping? For example, what kind of glue should I use? Or do I just use the
epoxy? Would something like Gorilla glue work or does it need something
else? What is the best source of information on learning to use epoxy? Who
else has a cartopper? Any photos?
All help, and directions appreciated.
Tom Clark