Re: Kingston: Plan Viewing
Susan,
Its a yet-to-be-designed 15' boat. If you want to imagine it : take a
tortoise, extend it to 15', add a birdwatcher cabin and some of the
latest PCB&F styling, add a sail rig.
Frank
Its a yet-to-be-designed 15' boat. If you want to imagine it : take a
tortoise, extend it to 15', add a birdwatcher cabin and some of the
latest PCB&F styling, add a sail rig.
Frank
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Davis" <futabachan@y...> wrote:
> > - a 15' birdwatcher-style sailing beach cruiser kept on deck
>
> Which design is that?
>
> --
> Susan Davis <futabachan@y...>
> - a 15' birdwatcher-style sailing beach cruiser kept on deckWhich design is that?
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
I couldn't rememebr the beam so I pulled out the study drawings. Here
are some Specs for White Eel:
69' length overall
64'6" length at waterline
11'7" Breadth over rub moldings
9'0" Breadth bottom
2'8" draft over skeg ar full fuel
1'11" Load hull draft
11'9" Height overall
9'7" Bridge clearance loaded
Displacement w/ full fuel load: 52,100 lb
Max hullspeed (nominal): 10.76 knots, possibly exceeding with her
slender shape.
Some other neat features:
- something like 5000 nm range
- a 15' birdwatcher-style sailing beach cruiser kept on deck
- 4" thick bottom, probably having a steel shoe, 2" thick sides
with extra 2" blue foam insulation
are some Specs for White Eel:
69' length overall
64'6" length at waterline
11'7" Breadth over rub moldings
9'0" Breadth bottom
2'8" draft over skeg ar full fuel
1'11" Load hull draft
11'9" Height overall
9'7" Bridge clearance loaded
Displacement w/ full fuel load: 52,100 lb
Max hullspeed (nominal): 10.76 knots, possibly exceeding with her
slender shape.
Some other neat features:
- something like 5000 nm range
- a 15' birdwatcher-style sailing beach cruiser kept on deck
- 4" thick bottom, probably having a steel shoe, 2" thick sides
with extra 2" blue foam insulation
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "uncleralph123" <UncleRalph@a...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Frank San Miguel" <sanmi@y...> wrote:
> > White eel is the same sort of plywood construction as Tahiti. Long
> > but narrow.
> >
>
> Frank
>
> What is the beam of White Eel?
>
> Ralph
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Frank San Miguel" <sanmi@y...> wrote:
What is the beam of White Eel?
Ralph
> White eel is the same sort of plywood construction as Tahiti. LongFrank
> but narrow.
>
What is the beam of White Eel?
Ralph
>Reefing by rolling around the mast won't let you rig the sprit. Big
> Am wondering if that much sail
> without a way to reef might be
> a problem in certain winds???
drawback. Old-time New Haven sharpies used to have brails up the luff
to allow reefing that way.
I put reef points on my Cartoppers' sails. Same rig. They work great.
Obviously you'll need a halyard. Halyards add a lot of stress to a
mast. Bolger specifies mast dimensions for these rigs without
figuring in halyard stress. If you go the halyard route (and I've
sailed my Cartoppers reefed many, many times, with great enjoyment),
you'll want to dimension the mast a little bigger, or, rig up a jam
cleat at the mast head to relieve halyard stress. I use an open type
cleat mounted about 12" down from the masthead, in way of the
halyard. I hoist as usual, look up to make sure the halyard is in the
jam cleat, secure the downhaul, then I can let go the halyard and the
sail stays up. It works like a charm, and tremdously reduces mast
bend. When you want to douse sail, just pull the halyard away from
the mast, the jam cleat lets go, and down she comes.
> I am also curious of opinions ofYou do want some mast bend. It will significantly de-power the sail
> how to cut the sail. Leech and
> foot straight, the luff should be
> 'fattened' by 3" is my guess.
> Though, perhaps the flexibility
> of the needle thin mast might
> be enough for the 'fattening'
> of the sail without any special cut.
in gusts.
Cut the foot dead straight. Cut some hollow in the leech to avoid
flutter. You do want draft, and a fair about of it because its a
catboat (no jib to help direct mainsail flow), so cut the luff about
3%-5% longer than the chord (horizantal dimension of the sail at any
given point). That number is gleaned from "The Sailmakers Apprentice"
by Emiliano Marino.
In higher winds tighten the snotter, the mast bends, and takes the
round out of the luff, flattening the sail and de-powering it.
Downwind in light air loosen the snotter and allow the sail to
billow, giving more power. In medium/high winds, downwind, tighten
the snotter to flatten sail and reduce/eliminate rythmic roll (a
scary thing). You might consider rigging up the snotter so you can
alter its verticle position. This gives you some additional leech
control. In lighter winds set it low on the mast, in higher winds set
it high. In real high winds set it lower (but not low) allowing the
leech to open and spilling some breeze, while yet allowing the
snotter to be kept tight, bending that mast (further de-powering).
I bought my sails, pre-cut but not assembled, from Sailrite, and have
been quite pleased with them (although I don't think they cut enough
draft into them).
Hope that helps.
John O'Neill
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@y...>
wrote:
I built a SURF many many moons ago and recall going to a local
sailmaker.He wanted to know all sorts of things like,how come no reef
points, and why the sail on the plans appeared to be cut rather
flat.He also wanted to know how much the mast will bend.
I knew even less then,than I do today about sails and figured I
get the answers from the "horse's mouth". So,I called Bolger(these
were in the days when he actually posted a phone number with his
study plans).He picked up on the second ring.After some very light
chit-chat,I put my sailmakers questions to him.With an economy of
words that has to be heard to be appreciated,Bolger replied,in
brief,cut the sail to the dimensions on the plans;do not try to guess
mast bend since it varies according to building method and wood
species and no reef points;the boat was not designed to be used in
winds that would require reef points;if your sailmaker can't do
it,then order the one available from Bondhle(sp).
Sure 'nough,my sailmaker said he couldn't do it.I order may sail
and used the SURF for several years with great satisfaction and
happiness.Always respected the small craft warnings too,since I was
convinced they were just for me :-)
The TEAL is even smaller then the SURF, and I can only imagine
that pretty much all of the above would basically apply too.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
wrote:
> Am wondering if that much sailBruce,
> without a way to reef might be
> a problem in certain winds???
>
> I am also curious of opinions of
> how to cut the sail. Leech and
> foot straight, the luff should be
> 'fattened' by 3" is my guess.
> Though, perhaps the flexibility
> of the needle thin mast might
> be enough for the 'fattening'
> of the sail without any special cut.
>
> Anybody know how to cut a Teal sail?
I built a SURF many many moons ago and recall going to a local
sailmaker.He wanted to know all sorts of things like,how come no reef
points, and why the sail on the plans appeared to be cut rather
flat.He also wanted to know how much the mast will bend.
I knew even less then,than I do today about sails and figured I
get the answers from the "horse's mouth". So,I called Bolger(these
were in the days when he actually posted a phone number with his
study plans).He picked up on the second ring.After some very light
chit-chat,I put my sailmakers questions to him.With an economy of
words that has to be heard to be appreciated,Bolger replied,in
brief,cut the sail to the dimensions on the plans;do not try to guess
mast bend since it varies according to building method and wood
species and no reef points;the boat was not designed to be used in
winds that would require reef points;if your sailmaker can't do
it,then order the one available from Bondhle(sp).
Sure 'nough,my sailmaker said he couldn't do it.I order may sail
and used the SURF for several years with great satisfaction and
happiness.Always respected the small craft warnings too,since I was
convinced they were just for me :-)
The TEAL is even smaller then the SURF, and I can only imagine
that pretty much all of the above would basically apply too.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
Bruce
Check out
http://www.sailcut.com/
for free program to give the shape and cut of the panels
HJ
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From: Frank San Miguelsanmi@...
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 17:03:14 -0000
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Bruce's teal mast
spritsail (Michalak AF3) that if I tighten the snotter too much, the
mast bends and takes out enough of the draft (baggieness) that my
upwind performance really suffers. In fact, I think I read somewhere
that flattening the sail by tightening the snotter was used by old
timers to reduce the forces in heavy winds.
I believe there are two ways to build draft into the luff of a sail
and my AF-3 sail has both:
1. Sew in a foil shape. Michalak writes a lot about using "darts" to
do this. You can also cut each panel like an orange peel so that when
you assemble them, they come out to the right foil shape. I bought
pre-cut panels from Sailrite and love the sail, but it wasn't cheap.
2. Cut the luff of the sail with a slight convex bow. This increases
the draft when the mast is straight, but when the mast bends the draft
gets taken out. Kind of automatically de-powering when the wind
blows. The leg-o-mutton spritsail mast also spills air from the top
part when you heel low.
So the bendyness of the mast probably makes a difference in how you
cut your sail. For your mast, you might consider using the dart or
orange peel method and put in a lot of draft (it really doesn't take
any more time once you start sewing). Before I made my AF3 sail, I
read all of Michalak's excellent articles and then bought "Sailmaker's
Apprentice" The book is worth it just for the pictures and background
info.
Frank
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From: Frank San Miguelsanmi@...
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 17:03:14 -0000
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Bruce's teal mast
> I am also curious of opinions ofI don't think so - especially with a bendy mast. I've found with my
> how to cut the sail. Leech and
> foot straight, the luff should be
> 'fattened' by 3" is my guess.
> Though, perhaps the flexibility
> of the needle thin mast might
> be enough for the 'fattening'
> of the sail without any special cut.
spritsail (Michalak AF3) that if I tighten the snotter too much, the
mast bends and takes out enough of the draft (baggieness) that my
upwind performance really suffers. In fact, I think I read somewhere
that flattening the sail by tightening the snotter was used by old
timers to reduce the forces in heavy winds.
I believe there are two ways to build draft into the luff of a sail
and my AF-3 sail has both:
1. Sew in a foil shape. Michalak writes a lot about using "darts" to
do this. You can also cut each panel like an orange peel so that when
you assemble them, they come out to the right foil shape. I bought
pre-cut panels from Sailrite and love the sail, but it wasn't cheap.
2. Cut the luff of the sail with a slight convex bow. This increases
the draft when the mast is straight, but when the mast bends the draft
gets taken out. Kind of automatically de-powering when the wind
blows. The leg-o-mutton spritsail mast also spills air from the top
part when you heel low.
So the bendyness of the mast probably makes a difference in how you
cut your sail. For your mast, you might consider using the dart or
orange peel method and put in a lot of draft (it really doesn't take
any more time once you start sewing). Before I made my AF3 sail, I
read all of Michalak's excellent articles and then bought "Sailmaker's
Apprentice" The book is worth it just for the pictures and background
info.
Frank
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@y...>
wrote:
where I would otherwise have to go home. Or lets me get home where
I'd otherwise be stuck on the beach! :-)
spritsail (Michalak AF3) that if I tighten the snotter too much, the
mast bends and takes out enough of the draft (baggieness) that my
upwind performance really suffers. In fact, I think I read somewhere
that flattening the sail by tightening the snotter was used by old
timers to reduce the forces in heavy winds.
I believe there are two ways to build draft into the luff of a sail
and my AF-3 sail has both:
1. Sew in a foil shape. Michalak writes a lot about using "darts" to
do this. You can also cut each panel like an orange peel so that when
you assemble them, they come out to the right foil shape. I bought
pre-cut panels from Sailrite and love the sail, but it wasn't cheap.
2. Cut the luff of the sail with a slight convex bow. This increases
the draft when the mast is straight, but when the mast bends the draft
gets taken out. Kind of automatically de-powering when the wind
blows. The leg-o-mutton spritsail mast also spills air from the top
part when you heel low.
So the bendyness of the mast probably makes a difference in how you
cut your sail. For your mast, you might consider using the dart or
orange peel method and put in a lot of draft (it really doesn't take
any more time once you start sewing). Before I made my AF3 sail, I
read all of Michalak's excellent articles and then bought "Sailmaker's
Apprentice" The book is worth it just for the pictures and background
info.
Frank
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@y...>
wrote:
> --- "Frank San Miguel" <sanmi@y...> wrote:I like a sail that can reef - it lets me sail safely in conditions
> > I am liking that mast a lot.
> > What kind of tree is it? :-)
>
> Some species of Eucalyptus
> from a forest near my house,
> not perfectly straight, but
> as close as I could find.
>
> I am guessing, that tree
> wood fibers are stronger
> when they are 'round' as
> opposed to sawn into a board
> with cross grain, excentricity,
> etc...
>
> I am frankly shocked to see that
> the specified mast height of
> 15'8 1/2" exceeds the length
> of the boat by several feet.
>
> Am wondering if that much sail
> without a way to reef might be
> a problem in certain winds???
where I would otherwise have to go home. Or lets me get home where
I'd otherwise be stuck on the beach! :-)
> I am also curious of opinions ofI don't think so - especially with a bendy mast. I've found with my
> how to cut the sail. Leech and
> foot straight, the luff should be
> 'fattened' by 3" is my guess.
> Though, perhaps the flexibility
> of the needle thin mast might
> be enough for the 'fattening'
> of the sail without any special cut.
spritsail (Michalak AF3) that if I tighten the snotter too much, the
mast bends and takes out enough of the draft (baggieness) that my
upwind performance really suffers. In fact, I think I read somewhere
that flattening the sail by tightening the snotter was used by old
timers to reduce the forces in heavy winds.
I believe there are two ways to build draft into the luff of a sail
and my AF-3 sail has both:
1. Sew in a foil shape. Michalak writes a lot about using "darts" to
do this. You can also cut each panel like an orange peel so that when
you assemble them, they come out to the right foil shape. I bought
pre-cut panels from Sailrite and love the sail, but it wasn't cheap.
2. Cut the luff of the sail with a slight convex bow. This increases
the draft when the mast is straight, but when the mast bends the draft
gets taken out. Kind of automatically de-powering when the wind
blows. The leg-o-mutton spritsail mast also spills air from the top
part when you heel low.
So the bendyness of the mast probably makes a difference in how you
cut your sail. For your mast, you might consider using the dart or
orange peel method and put in a lot of draft (it really doesn't take
any more time once you start sewing). Before I made my AF3 sail, I
read all of Michalak's excellent articles and then bought "Sailmaker's
Apprentice" The book is worth it just for the pictures and background
info.
Frank
--- "Frank San Miguel" <sanmi@y...> wrote:
from a forest near my house,
not perfectly straight, but
as close as I could find.
I am guessing, that tree
wood fibers are stronger
when they are 'round' as
opposed to sawn into a board
with cross grain, excentricity,
etc...
I am frankly shocked to see that
the specified mast height of
15'8 1/2" exceeds the length
of the boat by several feet.
Am wondering if that much sail
without a way to reef might be
a problem in certain winds???
I am also curious of opinions of
how to cut the sail. Leech and
foot straight, the luff should be
'fattened' by 3" is my guess.
Though, perhaps the flexibility
of the needle thin mast might
be enough for the 'fattening'
of the sail without any special cut.
Anybody know how to cut a Teal sail?
> I am liking that mast a lot.Some species of Eucalyptus
> What kind of tree is it? :-)
from a forest near my house,
not perfectly straight, but
as close as I could find.
I am guessing, that tree
wood fibers are stronger
when they are 'round' as
opposed to sawn into a board
with cross grain, excentricity,
etc...
I am frankly shocked to see that
the specified mast height of
15'8 1/2" exceeds the length
of the boat by several feet.
Am wondering if that much sail
without a way to reef might be
a problem in certain winds???
I am also curious of opinions of
how to cut the sail. Leech and
foot straight, the luff should be
'fattened' by 3" is my guess.
Though, perhaps the flexibility
of the needle thin mast might
be enough for the 'fattening'
of the sail without any special cut.
Anybody know how to cut a Teal sail?
I seen to remember reading about a 95 footer called the Sir Joseph Banks
that was designed but never built.
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank San Miguel [mailto:sanmi@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 7:05 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Kingston: Plan Viewing
Bruce,
I think he's designed some other big ones. I seem to remember reading
something he wrote about a big steel planing yacht (BWAOM?) - it could
hold a lot of people. It fell off the slings during lauch and landed
upside down in the water without much damage.
White eel is the same sort of plywood construction as Tahiti. Long
but narrow.
Frank
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@y...>
wrote:
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From: Frank San Miguel [mailto:sanmi@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 7:05 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Kingston: Plan Viewing
Bruce,
I think he's designed some other big ones. I seem to remember reading
something he wrote about a big steel planing yacht (BWAOM?) - it could
hold a lot of people. It fell off the slings during lauch and landed
upside down in the water without much damage.
White eel is the same sort of plywood construction as Tahiti. Long
but narrow.
Frank
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@y...>
wrote:
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> Made from wood, or steel, I wonder...
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Bruce,
I am liking that mast a lot. What kind of tree is it? :-)
Frank
I am liking that mast a lot. What kind of tree is it? :-)
Frank
> Except, I am still waiting for the
> white polytarp to come via FedEx,
> and hopefully it will come tomorrow.
> In time for the weekend.
>
>http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Teal3/
>
> I also want a Folding Schooner, and
> a Naval Jelly Galley, and they aren't
> single handed. hmmm
Bruce,
I think he's designed some other big ones. I seem to remember reading
something he wrote about a big steel planing yacht (BWAOM?) - it could
hold a lot of people. It fell off the slings during lauch and landed
upside down in the water without much damage.
White eel is the same sort of plywood construction as Tahiti. Long
but narrow.
Frank
I think he's designed some other big ones. I seem to remember reading
something he wrote about a big steel planing yacht (BWAOM?) - it could
hold a lot of people. It fell off the slings during lauch and landed
upside down in the water without much damage.
White eel is the same sort of plywood construction as Tahiti. Long
but narrow.
Frank
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
> > > White Eel, a 69' version of Tahiti
>
> Except for Rose, a 69 footer might
> be the longest/biggest boat Bolger
> ever designed.
>
> Made from wood, or steel, I wonder...
--- "Susan Davis" <futabachan@y...> wrote:
I especially like the Bolger
boats that I can imagine
handling single handed.
My Teal was really fun to build,
effectively 'done' now 7 days,
30 hours and about $200 into it.
Except, I am still waiting for the
white polytarp to come via FedEx,
and hopefully it will come tomorrow.
In time for the weekend.
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Teal3/
I also want a Folding Schooner, and
a Naval Jelly Galley, and they aren't
single handed. hmmm
> You know, Bruce, I bet youWell...
> really want to build a Rose.... :-)
I especially like the Bolger
boats that I can imagine
handling single handed.
My Teal was really fun to build,
effectively 'done' now 7 days,
30 hours and about $200 into it.
Except, I am still waiting for the
white polytarp to come via FedEx,
and hopefully it will come tomorrow.
In time for the weekend.
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Teal3/
I also want a Folding Schooner, and
a Naval Jelly Galley, and they aren't
single handed. hmmm
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Chamberland" <cha62759@t...>
I hope the plans go beyond Mr Bolger
They sure will. In addition to my Bolger collection, there will be
Mr. Welsfords Seagull and Light Dory at my table. Enjoy all!
Bruce Hector
I hope the plans go beyond Mr Bolger
They sure will. In addition to my Bolger collection, there will be
Mr. Welsfords Seagull and Light Dory at my table. Enjoy all!
Bruce Hector
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "welshman@p..." <welshman@p...> wrote:
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
>You know, Bruce, I bet you really want to build a Rose.... :-)
> You know Bruce, I bet you really want to build a White Eel.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
I hadn't thought of that but I will bring my box of plans.
My assortment of plans are a history of my daydreaming about boats,
mostly sail, they date from a lovely sailboat (1952) designed by
Harrison Farrel of Massapequoit (sp) NY to my last project, Bobcat.
This is a great idea and I hope the plans go beyond Mr Bolger.
Bob Chamberland
My assortment of plans are a history of my daydreaming about boats,
mostly sail, they date from a lovely sailboat (1952) designed by
Harrison Farrel of Massapequoit (sp) NY to my last project, Bobcat.
This is a great idea and I hope the plans go beyond Mr Bolger.
Bob Chamberland
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Frank San Miguel" <sanmi@y...> wrote:
> For the Kingston messabout, what do you think bringing the boat plans
> in our possession for a viewing session?
> > White Eel, a 69' version of TahitiExcept for Rose, a 69 footer might
be the longest/biggest boat Bolger
ever designed.
Made from wood, or steel, I wonder...
You know Bruce, I bet you really want to build a White Eel.
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We got as far the proposal and then I chickened out. Both Phil and
Suzanne have said its one of thier favorite designs.
I've asked for permission to share some stuff on the internet but
never got the OK - I have to respect thier wishes. I think they want
to do thier own writeup first. But there's no reason I shouldn't
bring the proposal to the messabout.
I made an illustration of her a while back, I'll see if I can't post
it in the files.
Frank
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@y...>
wrote:
Suzanne have said its one of thier favorite designs.
I've asked for permission to share some stuff on the internet but
never got the OK - I have to respect thier wishes. I think they want
to do thier own writeup first. But there's no reason I shouldn't
bring the proposal to the messabout.
I made an illustration of her a while back, I'll see if I can't post
it in the files.
Frank
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@y...>
wrote:
> My reaction exactly, Bruce. Man, would I love to see
> those plans. Is this just a study for a proposal, or
> are full plans in the works?
> --- Bruce Hallman <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
> > > White Eel, a 69' version of Tahiti
> >
> > !!!!!!!!!
> >
> >
>
>
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My reaction exactly, Bruce. Man, would I love to see
those plans. Is this just a study for a proposal, or
are full plans in the works?
--- Bruce Hallman <brucehallman@...> wrote:
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those plans. Is this just a study for a proposal, or
are full plans in the works?
--- Bruce Hallman <brucehallman@...> wrote:
> > White Eel, a 69' version of Tahiti__________________________________
>
> !!!!!!!!!
>
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> White Eel, a 69' version of Tahiti!!!!!!!!!
> I've got plans for Jochems, AS-29 and AS-29 enhancements. I can alsoI've got the H&HS (obviously), the Breakdown Schooner, the CS-24,
> bring the design study for White Eel, a 69' version of Tahiti (not
> been published yet).
the Windsprint, the Cartopper (if I can find it), the Gull book,
and some stuff from other designers (Lightning, Snipe, Paradox,
others). If the I60 plans are finished by then (I'm not holding
my breath), I'll bring those, too.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
For the Kingston messabout, what do you think bringing the boat plans
in our possession for a viewing session? I know I'd love to see some
of the plans for the Bolger craft that are building or have been built.
I've got plans for Jochems, AS-29 and AS-29 enhancements. I can also
bring the design study for White Eel, a 69' version of Tahiti (not
been published yet).
I am firmly against illegally copying plans, software etc, and am not
suggesting any form of pirating. Instead I think this is a golden
opportunity to do some studying and dreaming!
in our possession for a viewing session? I know I'd love to see some
of the plans for the Bolger craft that are building or have been built.
I've got plans for Jochems, AS-29 and AS-29 enhancements. I can also
bring the design study for White Eel, a 69' version of Tahiti (not
been published yet).
I am firmly against illegally copying plans, software etc, and am not
suggesting any form of pirating. Instead I think this is a golden
opportunity to do some studying and dreaming!